date:20151220

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

2015-12-20 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

No barn dances?

  From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 6:22 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

    There were big hopes in the 1980s that Fairfield would grow as the 
meditating community grew, but it never really happened. Population has 
remained steady at just under 10,000. It's true you can run into the same 
people very frequently here, but some people like that -- it's part of feeling 
that you are in a community. Mind you, I am also struck by how you can go years 
and never once bump into some people you may know unless you actually make 
arrangements to meet. I'm also surprised at how many faces there are here that 
I do not recognize. 

If you walked an hour away from Fairfield you wouldn't get to anything 
interesting. The nearest city worth visiting is Iowa City, one hour's drive 
north. It is a university town (big public university) so has 
entertainment/culture/restaurants/shopping. I spend quite a lot of time there. 

You have to remember that Iowa is a rural state with a population of only about 
2.3 million, I think, and you could easily fit the whole of England into it, 
more than once, as far as area is concerned. I have lived here a long time and 
have got used to it. Indeed, it has its own kind of beauty. Often, you can be 
driving on the highway and there is no one else around. It's as if the road has 
been made just for you. There is a pleasure in that. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain why 
things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness etc. 
Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals furtherbelow. 
Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the same 
wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be much 
point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on message" 
about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my post there 
isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel the need to 
help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came across.
What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work onbig groups does it?
This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also called. 
I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it would have 
made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. Those being 
is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and that 
process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be consistent. 
Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a mockery of the 
usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a fact not 
convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a lab, 
whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, there's a 
set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you aren't fooling 
yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are proposing but 
basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

2015-12-20 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

I have some tech friends who worked at Microsoft who got involved with a 
square dance club when they lived in the Seattle area.  For me that was 
hard to imagine but they seemed to have fun with it.


Being into video production you'll appreciate this but I recall watching 
locally produced square dance shows on 1950s TV where they would do a 
remote usually with one camera and it would be up on a pedestal or stage 
and so the shot down on the dancers would make them seem squat.  That 
made the dances seem really hilarious.  There's got to be some YouTube 
videos of these shows somewhere in all that mess.


On 12/20/2015 06:32 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Square dancing recently became popular, for reasons that entirely 
escape me.


Hoho,go to one! Seriously, they are a bloody riot. It will get you 
laughing uproariously for some mysterious reason. It is impossible to 
imagine this is so unless you actually try it. I am thinking it might 
be just the thing for Empty, whatever it is that ails him.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

No barn dances?







!

[FairfieldLife] Re: "We Create Our Reality"

2015-12-20 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

That was an excellent presentation.  In the same Stanford University seminar, 
Dr. Nader also gave a presentation discussing the dynamics of the unity of 
Rishi-Devata-Chandas in Nature.  The presentation is very interesting since it 
philosophically shows how the universe and the multiverse started. The video 
clip should be found in YouTube along with the presentations of Dr. Travis and 
Dr. Hagelin.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hmmm... kauravas vs. paandavas??

2015-12-20 Thread emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Forgive my spelling errors (smile).

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Both the Fox News atheist and the Salon writer are now on my shit list.

The atheist guy is quoted as saying:

"Ninety percent of atheists don’t call themselves atheists; the real number
[of atheists] isn’t 3 percent but 35 percent."

The article writer elaborates:

"(The Pew Research Center has documented the apparently unstoppable increase
in the number of people without any religious affiliation, who now account for
23 percent of Americans, with millennials – go, millennials! – already at 35
percent)."

So it's 35 percent not of Americans as a whole but just of millennials who are
unaffiliated with a religion.

E. Sloppy and very. I found that statistic, which I interpreted the way you
state (35% of millennials as unaffiliated) interesting and consistent with the
attitude of the millennials I am acquainted with.

But the article writer also failed to point out that the "nones" (people
without religious affiliation) are by no means all atheists. A significant
majority believe in God; they just don't consider themselves members of a
particular religion.

E. Yep, sloppy. I'd put myself in that category...although I have no
intention of discussing how I try to understand or interpreting those three
letters.

According to the Pew study, only 7 percent of religiously unaffiliated
Americans are either atheists or agnostics.

E. "Self-declared atheists or agnostics still make up a minority of all
religious “nones.” But both atheists and agnostics are growing as a share of
all religiously unaffiliated people, and together they now make up 7% of all
U.S. adults (up from 4% in 2007). Nearly two-thirds of atheists and agnostics
are men, and the group also tends to be whiter and more highly educated than
the general population."

Two-thirds are men; interesting statistic.

If either of them had read anything substantial about the Pew study, they'd
know that. It's been mentioned over and over. They're either just sloppy and
lazy, or being deliberately deceptive.

E. I used the word "sloppy" before I read your last statement here, and yes,
sloppy and lazy and perhaps deceptive too in that the author of the article
sounds like he has a position he was trying to bolster. His article should
have been given a technical review by someone. Thanks for looking at the
source material.

I found this interesting:

"The most critical flaw of faith, he told me, was the notion it offers of an
“objective morality” – that is, unquestionable, immutable, heaven-decreed moral
absolutes that cannot evolve as our consciousness does. “The lie of objective
morality that make people do bad things and think they’re doing good,” with
ISIS atrocities and attacks on abortion clinics serving as obvious examples
thereof. Such murderers “think they’re doing God’s work, they think they’re
doing good.”

I disagree that the flaw is in "faith" in an of itself; however the influence
of religious "objective morality" is interesting to me; could it be argued that
his definition/interpretation of "objective morality" is potentially inaccurate
in that it likely relies on a "literal" translation of religious text
(something I have always been in disagreement with)? Karen Armstrong, in her
book The Case for God, also argues against using a historical context for when
and how the scriptures evolved and for what purpose.

On the other side, to the extent that the reality is that so many branches of
"religions" have evolved to reflect a rigid "fundamentalist" approach, it is an
easy (though I believe simplistic and lazy) jump to make from blaming
"religion" and "objective morality" as a source of "terrorist" behavior
Thoughts?

I asked why he chose the present moment to publish “Fighting God.”
“We’re seeing this rise in religious hatred all over the world,” he said, “and
a pushback against criticizing religion. Yet religion is the problem. We see
its influence all over, in abortion, gay rights, climate change. In Europe, the
rise of Islam” – especially with the influx of Muslim refugees – “is leading to
the rise of firebrand atheism, as atheists are being pushed into realizing that
they have something to fight, and something to defend. In Heidelberg and Basil
and Zurich I spoke to packed crowds who wanted to know more about firebrand
atheism because of the fear of the rise of Islam. Religion is hurting our
species, it’s hurting the entire world, and yet we protect it.
We need to put religion in its place, which is back in the church.”
E. What do you think he means by this sentence (above)?

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/05/13/a-closer-look-at-americas-rapidly-growing-religious-nones/

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

2015-12-20 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

You could probably afford to live in eastern Washington too.  It's about 
the same but would you really want to live there?


On 12/20/2015 05:53 PM, emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


My goodness.  I could afford to live in Fairfield.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a 
community of under 10,000.


I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to 
explain why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective 
consciousness etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.


That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 
9,500 people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but 
is able, so to speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places 
in Iowa. That's one weird-acting ME!


Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town!! Must be a 
friendly place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and 
spend all day hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird 
being so far from other towns compared to the UK where you can't walk 
for an hour without passing through several villages.


More data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals 
further below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.



 Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa


Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often 
get from our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what 
experience it is that you are sympathising with me for?



If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get 
the same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. 
There wouldn't be much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the 
fact I'm not totally "on message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, 
but as I try to point out in my post there isn't any reason to be 
enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel the need to help them 
with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came across.



What did you think of the /Deux ex Machina /I highlighted? Ever come 
across such a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't 
replicate the results of the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social 
harmony in your test of our technology, even though we told you what 
to do we must have omitted to mention the one illogical thing that 
makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no sense that the ME 
should only work on


big groups does it?


This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are 
also called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but 
abandoned it as it would have made the post too long and I thought I'd 
c! overed the main points. Those being is that science is about 
gathering data to support a hypothesis and that process has to be 
carried out in a particular way, and it has to be consistent. Apart 
from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a mockery of 
the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a fact 
not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that 
their conclusions can be supported.



Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets 
near a lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or 
a war zone, there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to 
make sure that you aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary 
according to what you are proposing but basically follow a similar 
path. Is there a signal to be heard or is it random noise? Am I sure 
the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or one that someone hasn't 
already covered? Is there any data present that contradicts my 
hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea the 
best - simplest - way of explaining any data gathered? Am I just 
kidding myself?



You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream 
passes over like evidence of bicameralism in early human 
self-representation, it would be easy just to look for data that 
confirms that and ignore the rest but what would be the point? I'd be 
the only one I'm fooling so I keep my eyes open for contradictory 
information.



When I read Marshy Effect research it makes me wonder whether the 
scientists involved are asking themselves similar control questions 
before they even start becaus! e if they have to invent /Deux ex 
Machina /as howlingly embarrassing and illogical as the one they 
passed on to the poor guy who had actually /gone out of his way to 
try and replicate their claims/, then they aren't doing science 
properly at

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

2015-12-20 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 My goodness.  I could afford to live in Fairfield.
 

 You wouldn't like the fact that it doesn't have beaches and ocean. But what it 
does have is community and retro wood framed houses and a town square. It has 
four seasons (barely). Spring never really happens. One minute it's minus 10 
and the next minute it's 70 degrees F.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
 

 I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain 
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness 
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
 

 That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
 

 Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.
 

 More data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html 
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you 
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are 
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or 
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or 
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data present that 
contradicts my hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea 
the best - simplest - way of explaining any data gathered? Am I just kidding 
myself?
 

 You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream passes 
over like evidence of bicameralism in early human self-representation, it would 
be easy just to look for data that confirms that and ignore the rest but what 
would be the point? I'd be the only one I'm fooling so I keep my eyes open for 
contradictory information.
 

 When I read Marshy Effect research it makes me wonder whether the scientists 
involved are asking themselves similar control questions before they even start 
because if they have to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hmmm... kauravas vs. paandavas??

2015-12-20 Thread emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Both the Fox News atheist and the Salon writer are now on my shit list.

The atheist guy is quoted as saying:

"Ninety percent of atheists don’t call themselves atheists; the real number
[of atheists] isn’t 3 percent but 35 percent."

The article writer elaborates:

So it's 35 percent not of Americans as a whole but just of millennials who are
unaffiliated with a religion.

E. Yep, sloppy. I'd put myself in that category...although I have no
intention of discussing how I try to understand or interpreting those three
letters.

According to the Pew study, only 7 percent of religiously unaffiliated
Americans are either atheists or agnostics.

Two-thirds are men; interesting statistic.

If either of them had read anything substantial about the Pew study, they'd
know that. It's been mentioned over and over. They're either just sloppy and
lazy, or being deliberately deceptive.

I found this interesting:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/05/13/a-closer-look-at-americas-rapidly-growing-religious-nones/

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Meet the Fox News atheist — the man Bill O’Reilly calls a fascist and Sean
Hannity thinks

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hmmm... kauravas vs. paandavas??

2015-12-20 Thread emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Ohhh...back in "church" as to avoid politicizing or carrying it into the legal 
realm, for example.  I was using my own interpretation of what he meant instead 
of seeing his mindset.  My mindit was interpreting that sentence as if it 
said "leave one's faith at the door when you leave the church."   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Forgive my spelling errors (smile).  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Both the Fox News atheist and the Salon writer are now on my shit list.
 

 The atheist guy is quoted as saying:
 

 "Ninety percent of atheists don’t call themselves atheists; the real number 
[of atheists] isn’t 3 percent but 35 percent."
 

 The article writer elaborates:
 

 "(The Pew Research Center has documented the apparently unstoppable increase 
in the number of people without any religious affiliation, who now account for 
23 percent of Americans, with millennials – go, millennials! – already at 35 
percent)."
 

 So it's 35 percent not of Americans as a whole but just of millennials who are 
unaffiliated with a religion.
 

 E.  Sloppy and very.  I found that statistic, which I interpreted the way you 
state (35% of millennials as unaffiliated) interesting and consistent with the 
attitude of the millennials I am acquainted with.   
 

 But the article writer also failed to point out that the "nones" (people 
without religious affiliation) are by no means all atheists. A significant 
majority believe in God; they just don't consider themselves members of a 
particular religion.
 

 E.  Yep, sloppy.  I'd put myself in that category...although I have no 
intention of discussing how I try to understand or interpreting those three 
letters.   
 

 According to the Pew study, only 7 percent of religiously unaffiliated 
Americans are either atheists or agnostics.
 

 E. "Self-declared atheists or agnostics still make up a minority of all 
religious “nones.” But both atheists and agnostics are growing as a share of 
all religiously unaffiliated people, and together they now make up 7% of all 
U.S. adults (up from 4% in 2007). Nearly two-thirds of atheists and agnostics 
are men, and the group also tends to be whiter and more highly educated than 
the general population."
 

 Two-thirds are men; interesting statistic.  
 

 If either of them had read anything substantial about the Pew study, they'd 
know that. It's been mentioned over and over. They're either just sloppy and 
lazy, or being deliberately deceptive.
 

 E.  I used the word "sloppy" before I read your last statement here, and yes, 
sloppy and lazy and perhaps deceptive too in that the author of the article 
sounds like he has a position he was trying to bolster.  His article should 
have been given a technical review by someone.  Thanks for looking at the 
source material.  
 

 I found this interesting:
 

 "The most critical flaw of faith, he told me, was the notion it offers of an 
“objective morality” – that is, unquestionable, immutable, heaven-decreed moral 
absolutes that cannot evolve as our consciousness does. “The lie of objective 
morality that make people do bad things and think they’re doing good,” with 
ISIS atrocities and attacks on abortion clinics serving as obvious examples 
thereof. Such murderers “think they’re doing God’s work, they think they’re 
doing good.”

 

 I disagree that the flaw is in "faith" in an of itself; however the  influence 
of religious "objective morality" is interesting to me; could it be argued that 
his definition/interpretation of "objective morality" is potentially inaccurate 
in that it likely relies on a "literal" translation of religious text 
(something I have always been in disagreement with)? Karen Armstrong, in her 
book The Case for God, also argues against using a historical context for when 
and how the scriptures evolved and for what purpose.  
 

 On the other side, to the extent that the reality is that so many branches of 
"religions" have evolved to reflect a rigid "fundamentalist" approach, it is an 
easy (though I believe simplistic and lazy) jump to make from blaming 
"religion" and "objective morality" as a source of "terrorist" behavior
Thoughts?  

 

 I asked why he chose the present moment to publish “Fighting God.”
 “We’re seeing this rise in religious hatred all over the world,” he said, “and 
a pushback against criticizing religion. Yet religion is the problem. We see 
its influence all over, in abortion, gay rights, climate change. In Europe, the 
rise of Islam” – especially with the influx of Muslim refugees – “is leading to 
the rise of firebrand atheism, as atheists are being pushed into realizing that 
they have something to fight, and something to defend. In Heidelberg and Basil 
and Zurich I spoke to packed crowds who wanted to know more about firebrand 
atheism because of the fear of the rise of Islam. Religion

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[FairfieldLife] Silent Monks

2015-12-20 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCFCeJTEzNU
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Reminds me of the *three days of silence* on various courses.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

2015-12-20 Thread feste37

There were big hopes in the 1980s that Fairfield would grow as the meditating 
community grew, but it never really happened. Population has remained steady at 
just under 10,000. It's true you can run into the same people very frequently 
here, but some people like that -- it's part of feeling that you are in a 
community. Mind you, I am also struck by how you can go years and never once 
bump into some people you may know unless you actually make arrangements to 
meet. I'm also surprised at how many faces there are here that I do not 
recognize. 

If you walked an hour away from Fairfield you wouldn't get to anything 
interesting. The nearest city worth visiting is Iowa City, one hour's drive 
north. It is a university town (big public university) so has 
entertainment/culture/restaurants/shopping. I spend quite a lot of time there. 

You have to remember that Iowa is a rural state with a population of only about 
2.3 million, I think, and you could easily fit the whole of England into it, 
more than once, as far as area is concerned. I have lived here a long time and 
have got used to it. Indeed, it has its own kind of beauty. Often, you can be 
driving on the highway and there is no one else around. It's as if the road has 
been made just for you. There is a pleasure in that. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
 

 I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain 
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness 
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
 

 That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
 

 Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you 
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are 
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or 
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or 
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

2015-12-20 Thread emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Love the landscape. But, I know nothing about farming or feed stores. :) I
could probably make it work weather-wise. I would miss the good coffee houses.
It might be a little too politically one-sided for me. :)

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

You could probably afford to live in eastern Washington too. It's about the
same but would you really want to live there?

On 12/20/2015 05:53 PM, emily.mae50@... mailto:emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]
wrote:

My goodness. I could afford to live in Fairfield.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of
under 10,000.

I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.

That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one
weird-acting ME!

Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town!! Must be a friendly
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing
through several villages.

More data:
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.htmlhttp://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.

Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa

Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you
are sympathising with me for?

If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came
across.

What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no
sense that the ME should only work on
big groups does it?

This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd c! overed the main points.
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their
conclusions can be supported.

Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone,
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data present that
contradicts my hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea
the best - simplest - way of explaining any data

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

2015-12-20 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No barn dances?
 

 I went to a local square dance in the community hall once. I have no idea why 
a few of my friends and I did that. It was back when I was attending MIU. All I 
remember is I laughed hysterically and had a great time promenading, 
allemanding left and do-si-doing my various plaid-bedecked FF farmer-type 
partners. It was a real hoot.
 

 


 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 6:22 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?
 
 
   There were big hopes in the 1980s that Fairfield would grow as the 
meditating community grew, but it never really happened. Population has 
remained steady at just under 10,000. It's true you can run into the same 
people very frequently here, but some people like that -- it's part of feeling 
that you are in a community. Mind you, I am also struck by how you can go years 
and never once bump into some people you may know unless you actually make 
arrangements to meet. I'm also surprised at how many faces there are here that 
I do not recognize. 

If you walked an hour away from Fairfield you wouldn't get to anything 
interesting. The nearest city worth visiting is Iowa City, one hour's drive 
north. It is a university town (big public university) so has 
entertainment/culture/restaurants/shopping. I spend quite a lot of time there. 

You have to remember that Iowa is a rural state with a population of only about 
2.3 million, I think, and you could easily fit the whole of England into it, 
more than once, as far as area is concerned. I have lived here a long time and 
have got used to it. Indeed, it has its own kind of beauty. Often, you can be 
driving on the highway and there is no one else around. It's as if the road has 
been made just for you. There is a pleasure in that. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
 

 I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain 
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness 
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
 

 That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
 

 Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

2015-12-20 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of
under 10,000.

Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing
through several villages.

Strange but true. And of that only a portion are meditators:

https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instantion=1espv=2ie=UTF-8#q=population%20of%20fairfield%20iowa

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.

Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa

Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you
are sympathising with me for?

This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points.
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their
conclusions can be supported.

You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream passes
over like evidence of bicameralism in early human self-representation, it would
be easy just to look for data that confirms that and ignore the rest but what
would be the point? I'd be the only one I'm fooling so I keep my eyes open for
contradictory information.

When I read Marshy Effect research it makes me wonder whether the scientists
involved are asking themselves similar control questions before they even start
because if they have to invent Deux ex Machina as howlingly embarrassing and
illogical as the one they passed on to the poor guy who had actually gone out
of his way to try and replicate their claims, then they aren't doing science
properly at all. (Please note there was no attempt to explain this in OJ's
rebuttal)

You

[FairfieldLife] Re: Landscapes of Consiousness

2015-12-20 Thread emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

"... let consciousness take care of itself, as you say. It's along for the ride 
anyway."

No doubt yur "consciousness" is just a rider on your life energies (pranas) and 
yur mind flits from hither to dither. 

'Live your life, relish the things you are attracted to, love and feel passion 
..."

MS. Bhogi claims it all ... all those tasty morsels of pleasure ... oh gimme - 
gimme more.
 
Okay ... you can have it all. You can have all of samsara - so enjoy it as long 
as you want. However when you get another body as a little Injun waiting to get 
burned in a "kitchen fire" then it may not seem so wonderful. 

You don't need no stinkun consciousness indeed. What would be the point for you 
anyway? 

"What I like - I like ... bhah blah."
The primordial unconsciousnes.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

2015-12-20 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
 

 I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain 
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness 
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
 

 That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
 

 Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.
 

 More data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html 
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you 
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are 
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or 
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or 
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data present that 
contradicts my hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea 
the best - simplest - way of explaining any data gathered? Am I just kidding 
myself?
 

 You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream passes 
over like evidence of bicameralism in early human self-representation, it would 
be easy just to look for data that confirms that and ignore the rest but what 
would be the point? I'd be the only one I'm fooling so I keep my eyes open for 
contradictory information.
 

 When I read Marshy Effect research it makes me wonder whether the scientists 
involved are asking themselves similar control questions before they even start 
because if they have to invent Deux ex Machina as howlingly embarrassing and 
illogical as the one they passed on to the poor guy who had actually gone out 
of his way to try and replicate their claims, then they aren't doing science 
properly at all. (Please note there was no attempt to explain this in OJ's 
rebuttal) 
 

 You may say that it's a small point but it's pivotal to the way they do 
things. The goalposts constantly shift and failures - the yagya programme for 
instance - are

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

2015-12-20 Thread feste37

Square dancing recently became popular, for reasons that entirely escape me. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No barn dances?
 

 


 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 6:22 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?
 
 
   There were big hopes in the 1980s that Fairfield would grow as the 
meditating community grew, but it never really happened. Population has 
remained steady at just under 10,000. It's true you can run into the same 
people very frequently here, but some people like that -- it's part of feeling 
that you are in a community. Mind you, I am also struck by how you can go years 
and never once bump into some people you may know unless you actually make 
arrangements to meet. I'm also surprised at how many faces there are here that 
I do not recognize. 

If you walked an hour away from Fairfield you wouldn't get to anything 
interesting. The nearest city worth visiting is Iowa City, one hour's drive 
north. It is a university town (big public university) so has 
entertainment/culture/restaurants/shopping. I spend quite a lot of time there. 

You have to remember that Iowa is a rural state with a population of only about 
2.3 million, I think, and you could easily fit the whole of England into it, 
more than once, as far as area is concerned. I have lived here a long time and 
have got used to it. Indeed, it has its own kind of beauty. Often, you can be 
driving on the highway and there is no one else around. It's as if the road has 
been made just for you. There is a pleasure in that. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
 

 I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain 
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness 
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
 

 That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
 

 Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Landscapes of Consiousness

2015-12-20 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "... let consciousness take care of itself, as you say. It's along for the 
ride anyway."

No doubt yur "consciousness" is just a rider on your life energies (pranas) and 
yur mind flits from hither to dither. 
 

 I love you pants. You are so predictable, so loyal so there for me. You pop up 
out of the woodwork right on cue, it never fails.

'Live your life, relish the things you are attracted to, love and feel passion 
..."

MS. Bhogi claims it all ... all those tasty morsels of pleasure ... oh gimme - 
gimme more.
 

 Poor Pants. It's not about "gimme" it's about "Oh wow, incredible, outrageous, 
fan-bloody-tas-tic. Thank you God and thank you all of Creation for being so 
generous and imaginative and so miraculous." It just all comes to me, Pants, I 
ask for nothing yet there it is.
 
Okay ... you can have it all. You can have all of samsara - so enjoy it as long 
as you want. However when you get another body as a little Injun waiting to get 
burned in a "kitchen fire" then it may not seem so wonderful. 
 

 Oh you little kidder, you. Such a silly Pants. All moody and trying to make 
others feel down or doubtful or wrong. But you can't fool me, I know you're 
actually the life of the proverbial party, the guy with the lampshade and the 
whoppee cushion (wink).

You don't need no stinkun consciousness indeed. What would be the point for you 
anyway? 

"What I like - I like ... bhah blah."
The primordial unconsciousnes.
 

 Hee, hee. Your hair shirt and bed of nails is calling your name, Pants. Better 
brush your teeth and climb into your jammies and bed.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

2015-12-20 Thread emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

My goodness.  I could afford to live in Fairfield.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
 

 I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain 
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness 
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
 

 That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
 

 Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.
 

 More data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html 
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you 
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are 
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or 
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or 
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data present that 
contradicts my hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea 
the best - simplest - way of explaining any data gathered? Am I just kidding 
myself?
 

 You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream passes 
over like evidence of bicameralism in early human self-representation, it would 
be easy just to look for data that confirms that and ignore the rest but what 
would be the point? I'd be the only one I'm fooling so I keep my eyes open for 
contradictory information.
 

 When I read Marshy Effect research it makes me wonder whether the scientists 
involved are asking themselves similar control questions before they even start 
because if they have to invent Deux ex Machina as howlingly embarrassing and 
illogical as the one they passed on to the poor guy who had actually gone out 
of his way to try and replicate their claims, then they aren't doing science 
properly at all. (Please note there was no attempt to explain this in OJ's 
rebuttal) 
 

 You may say that it's a small point but it's

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

2015-12-20 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square dancing recently became popular, for reasons that entirely escape me. 
 

 Hoho,go to one! Seriously, they are a bloody riot. It will get you laughing 
uproariously for some mysterious reason. It is impossible to imagine this is so 
unless you actually try it. I am thinking it might be just the thing for Empty, 
whatever it is that ails him.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No barn dances?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hmmm... kauravas vs. paandavas??

2015-12-20 Thread he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Somebody been suckin'up too many woo woo rays!
 

 


 ROFLOL!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hmmm... kauravas vs. paandavas??

2015-12-20 Thread he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]

Over the past four decades, a substantial Muslim 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim community of mainly Moroccan 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco descent has established itself in 
Molenbeek, particularly on the eastern inner-city side of the municipality.
 After several convicted and suspected terrorists were found to have lived in 
the suburb, Molenbeek received criticism in regards to combating Islamic 
terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism and the 
radicalization of young Sunni Muslims, which has been taking place in private 
homes rather than in more open places such as mosques.
 2004 Madrid train bombings 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings: Hassan El Haski, 
convicted as one of the masterminds of the 2004 Madrid train bombings 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings, had his home in 
Molenbeek for a while.[9] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#cite_note-9 2012 stabbing of 
police: In June 2012, an individual inspired by propaganda of Sharia4Belgium 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia4Belgium (a Belgian radical Salafist 
movement originally from Antwerp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antwerp) stabbed 
two police officers in the Beekkant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beekkant 
metro station in Sint-Jans-Molenbeek. Both officers survived.[10] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#cite_note-10 2014 Jewish 
Museum of Belgium shooting 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Museum_of_Belgium_shooting: Mehdi 
Nemmouche, the suspect in the Jewish Museum of Belgium shooting 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Museum_of_Belgium_shooting in May 2014, 
had stayed in Molenbeek.[11] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#cite_note-11 Molenbeek was 
also where Nemmouche bought the weapons used in the attack.[12] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#cite_note-NYT1-12 November 
2015 Paris attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks: 
at least three of the terrorists, Brahim Abdeslam 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahim_Abdeslam, his brother Salah Abdeslam 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salah_Abdeslam, an alleged accomplice Mohamend 
Abrini and the alleged mastermind Abdelhamid Abaaoud 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdelhamid_Abaaoud are all men who grew up and 
lived in Molenbeek. And according to French President François Hollande 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Hollande that was also from where 
they organized the Paris attacks.Sint-Jans-Molenbeek - Wikipedia, the free 
encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#cite_note-13 
 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#cite_note-13 
 
 Sint-Jans-Molenbeek - Wikipedia, the free encycl... 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#cite_note-13 
Sint-Jans-Molenbeek (Dutch, pronounced [sɪnt ˈjɑns ˈmoːləmˌbeːk] ( listen))[2] 
or Molenbeek-Saint-Jean (French, pronounced [molənbek sɛ̃ ʒɑ̃]) is one of...
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Hmmm... kauravas vs. paandavas??

2015-12-20 Thread he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hmmm... kauravas vs. paandavas??

2015-12-20 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Somebody been suckin'up too many woo woo rays!

 

  From: "he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 3:30 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hmmm... kauravas vs. paandavas??
   
    Over the past four decades, a substantial Muslim community of mainly 
Moroccan descent has established itself in Molenbeek, particularly on the 
eastern inner-city side of the municipality.After several convicted and 
suspected terrorists were found to have lived in the suburb, Molenbeek received 
criticism in regards to combating Islamic terrorism and the radicalization of 
young Sunni Muslims, which has been taking place in private homes rather than 
in more open places such as mosques.   
   - 2004 Madrid train bombings: Hassan El Haski, convicted as one of the 
masterminds of the 2004 Madrid train bombings, had his home in Molenbeek for a 
while.   [9]
   - 2012 stabbing of police: In June 2012, an individual inspired by 
propaganda of Sharia4Belgium (a Belgian radical Salafist movement originally 
from Antwerp) stabbed two police officers in the Beekkant metro station in 
Sint-Jans-Molenbeek. Both officers survived.   [10]
   - 2014 Jewish Museum of Belgium shooting: Mehdi Nemmouche, the suspect in 
the Jewish Museum of Belgium shooting in May 2014, had stayed in Molenbeek.   
[11] Molenbeek was also where Nemmouche bought the weapons used in the attack.  
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   - November 2015 Paris attacks: at least three of the terrorists, Brahim 
Abdeslam, his brother Salah Abdeslam, an alleged accomplice Mohamend Abrini and 
the alleged mastermind Abdelhamid Abaaoud are all men who grew up and lived in 
Molenbeek. And according to French President François Hollande that was also 
from where they organized the Paris attacks.   Sint-Jans-Molenbeek - Wikipedia, 
the free encyclopedia   
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[FairfieldLife] "We Create Our Reality"

2015-12-20 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

There are teachers and there are teachers.  Here is one professor who obviously 
likes to teach and evidently is pretty good at it..
 

 

 We Create Our Reality - Hacking Consciousness at Stanford University 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlxGBZifk6k 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlxGBZifk6k 
 
 We Create Our Reality - Hacking Consciousness at... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlxGBZifk6k Frederick Travis, PhD, director of 
the Center for Brain, Consciousness and Cognition, explains that the concept 
"We create our reality" is more than a phi...
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

2015-12-20 Thread feste37

I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only 
about 9,500 people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is 
able, so to speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. 
That's one weird-acting ME!  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you 
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are 
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or 
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or 
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data present that 
contradicts my hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea 
the best - simplest - way of explaining any data gathered? Am I just kidding 
myself?
 

 You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream passes 
over like evidence of bicameralism in early human self-representation, it would 
be easy just to look for data that confirms that and ignore the rest but what 
would be the point? I'd be the only one I'm fooling so I keep my eyes open for 
contradictory information.
 

 When I read Marshy Effect research it makes me wonder whether the scientists 
involved are asking themselves similar control questions before they even start 
because if they have to invent Deux ex Machina as howlingly embarrassing and 
illogical as the one they passed on to the poor guy who had actually gone out 
of his way to try and replicate their claims, then they aren't doing science 
properly at all. (Please note there was no attempt to explain this in OJ's 
rebuttal) 
 

 You may say that it's a small point but it's pivotal to the way they do 
things. The goalposts constantly shift and failures - the yagya programme for 
instance - are ignored. You probably think I'm just getting at you lot for no 
reason but I'm not, I'm trying to show that science is a process trying to work 
out what is from what isn't and I rather suspect that people round here cheer 
it on when it supports what they want to believe and dismiss it as irrelevant, 
when it doesn't. 
 

 But it gladdens my heart that everyone nowadays sees it as the standard they 
have to reach for intellectual acceptance, every New Age hopeful has to get a 
"quantum" in there somewhere. Trouble is you have to accept the conclusions 
when they don't support your ideas and move on to something else but there's so 
much money in keeping people believing in the dream that the TMO can't afford 
to do any serious research into the ME or yagya's because they probably know by 
now that it isn't working. 
 

 But

[FairfieldLife] GMO LABELING DEBATE

2015-12-20 Thread email4you mikemail4...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 GMO Labeling Debate Heats Up Another Notch
According to the GMA, 80 percent of the foods on grocery stores' shelves 
contain GMOs, which also tend to contain the highest amounts of toxic 
pesticides. 

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/12/15/toxic-herbicide-gmo-labeling-debate.aspx
As glyphosate overuse has led to widespread weed resistance to the chemical, 
newer, more toxic herbicides have been approved for use on food crops. One such 
herbicide is Enlist Duo, a combination of glyphosate and 2,4-D, one of the 
ingredients in Agent Orange.Enlist Duo is made by Dow AgroSciences, which like 
Monsanto, sells both genetically engineered seeds and the pesticides they're 
designed to withstand. And like Monsanto, Dow apparently has few qualms about 
bending the rules to get their toxic wares to market.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Landscapes of Consiousness

2015-12-20 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I agree with you actually. I'm often surprised at how some people seem to have 
retained their interest in this kind of thing over so many decades. Me, I'm 
interested in love, music, soccer. Let consciousness take care of itself. At 
this very minute, my favorite soccer team is winning, and there is no greater 
bliss than that!
 

 Absolutely! Live your life, relish the things you are attracted to, love and 
feel passion and let consciousness take care of itself, as you say. It's along 
for the ride anyway.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, someone's in a grumpy mood this morning. Pre-coffee, maybe? Depressed at 
having to live north of the border, cut off from American culture? Must be 
something. 
 

 Haha, no. I'm just reminded how not interested I am in watching these kinds of 
videos. Maybe there is only so much one can say about this subject and having 
spent hundreds, if not thousands, of hours at MIU watching this kind of thing I 
have heard it all enough - especially when presented in this kind of 
unimaginative format. Grumpy? No. Moved on? Yes.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Very nice locally produced video. [Fairfield, Iowa]
 

 Having worked in video production there at MIU many, many moons ago it makes 
me laugh a little that very little has changed there (in FF) with regard to how 
content is presented (the classic was a blue background with a man or woman in 
a static shot talking in front of a couple of plastic plants). On the other 
hand, perhaps it has nothing to do with MUM, but whoever made this should be 
divested of their job. Two talking heads, a lifeless stage set up and few other 
interspersed shots of a large pad of paper does not make for riveting watching. 
The opening graphics and panning shot with some piano music are about the best 
things happening here, visually.  A couple of cameras and a guy on a switcher 
fading between shots. Ugh. Who is the audience for this? This must have cost a 
whopping $500 to make - any more and I'd ask for my money back. zzz
 

 

 Landscapes of Consciousness • Episode 2 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Byxhyj4riok=youtu.be

 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Byxhyj4riok=youtu.be
 
 Landscapes of Consciousness • Episode 2 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Byxhyj4riok=youtu.be Landscapes of 
Consciousness • Episode 2 harriaalto.com The Landscapes of Consciousness video 
series continues with Episode 2 as Harri Aalto is intervi...


 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hmmm... kauravas vs. paandavas??

2015-12-20 Thread emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Meet the Fox News atheist — the man Bill O’Reilly calls a fascist and Sean 
Hannity thinks is evil 
http://www.salon.com/2015/12/20/meet_the_fox_news_atheist_the_man_bill_oreilly_calls_a_fascist_and_sean_hannity_thinks_is_evil/
 
 
 
http://www.salon.com/2015/12/20/meet_the_fox_news_atheist_the_man_bill_oreilly_calls_a_fascist_and_sean_hannity_thinks_is_evil/
 
 
 Meet the Fox News atheist — the man Bill O’Reilly calls ... 
http://www.salon.com/2015/12/20/meet_the_fox_news_atheist_the_man_bill_oreilly_calls_a_fascist_and_sean_hannity_thinks_is_evil/
 Sean Hannity despises him. Actual Fox atheists want his autograph. David 
Silverman takes the fight to the enemy
 
 
 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Over the past four decades, a substantial Muslim 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim community of mainly Moroccan 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco descent has established itself in 
Molenbeek, particularly on the eastern inner-city side of the municipality.
 After several convicted and suspected terrorists were found to have lived in 
the suburb, Molenbeek received criticism in regards to combating Islamic 
terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism and the 
radicalization of young Sunni Muslims, which has been taking place in private 
homes rather than in more open places such as mosques.
 2004 Madrid train bombings 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings: Hassan El Haski, 
convicted as one of the masterminds of the 2004 Madrid train bombings 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings, had his home in 
Molenbeek for a while.[9] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#cite_note-9 2012 stabbing of 
police: In June 2012, an individual inspired by propaganda of Sharia4Belgium 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia4Belgium (a Belgian radical Salafist 
movement originally from Antwerp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antwerp) stabbed 
two police officers in the Beekkant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beekkant 
metro station in Sint-Jans-Molenbeek. Both officers survived.[10] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#cite_note-10 2014 Jewish 
Museum of Belgium shooting 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Museum_of_Belgium_shooting: Mehdi 
Nemmouche, the suspect in the Jewish Museum of Belgium shooting 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Museum_of_Belgium_shooting in May 2014, 
had stayed in Molenbeek.[11] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#cite_note-11 Molenbeek was 
also where Nemmouche bought the weapons used in the attack.[12] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#cite_note-NYT1-12 November 
2015 Paris attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks: 
at least three of the terrorists, Brahim Abdeslam 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahim_Abdeslam, his brother Salah Abdeslam 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salah_Abdeslam, an alleged accomplice Mohamend 
Abrini and the alleged mastermind Abdelhamid Abaaoud 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdelhamid_Abaaoud are all men who grew up and 
lived in Molenbeek. And according to French President François Hollande 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Hollande that was also from where 
they organized the Paris attacks.Sint-Jans-Molenbeek - Wikipedia, the free 
encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#cite_note-13 
 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#cite_note-13
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#cite_note-13 
Sint-Jans-Molenbeek (Dutch, pronounced [sɪnt ˈjɑns ˈmoːləmˌbeːk] ( listen))[2] 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hmmm... kauravas vs. paandavas??

2015-12-20 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Both the Fox News atheist and the Salon writer are now on my shit list.

The atheist guy is quoted as saying:

"Ninety percent of atheists don’t call themselves atheists; the real number
[of atheists] isn’t 3 percent but 35 percent."

The article writer elaborates:

So it's 35 percent not of Americans as a whole but just of millennials who are
unaffiliated with a religion.

According to the Pew study, only 7 percent of religiously unaffiliated
Americans are either atheists or agnostics.

If either of them had read anything substantial about the Pew study, they'd
know that. It's been mentioned over and over. They're either just sloppy and
lazy, or being deliberately deceptive.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/05/13/a-closer-look-at-americas-rapidly-growing-religious-nones/

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Meet the Fox News atheist — the man Bill O’Reilly calls a fascist and Sean
Hannity thinks is evil
http://www.salon.com/2015/12/20/meet_the_fox_news_atheist_the_man_bill_oreilly_calls_a_fascist_and_sean_hannity_thinks_is_evil/

http://www.salon.com/2015/12/20/meet_the_fox_news_atheist_the_man_bill_oreilly_calls_a_fascist_and_sean_hannity_thinks_is_evil/

Meet the Fox News atheist — the man Bill O’Reilly calls ...
http://www.salon.com/2015/12/20/meet_the_fox_news_atheist_the_man_bill_oreilly_calls_a_fascist_and_sean_hannity_thinks_is_evil/
Sean Hannity despises him. Actual Fox atheists want his autograph. David
Silverman takes the fight to the enemy

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2015-12-20 Thread salyavin808


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
 

 I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain 
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness 
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
 

 That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
 

 Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.
 

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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you 
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are 
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or 
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or 
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data present that 
contradicts my hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea 
the best - simplest - way of explaining any data gathered? Am I just kidding 
myself?
 

 You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream passes 
over like evidence of bicameralism in early human self-representation, it would 
be easy just to look for data that confirms that and ignore the rest but what 
would be the point? I'd be the only one I'm fooling so I keep my eyes open for 
contradictory information.
 

 When I read Marshy Effect research it makes me wonder whether the scientists 
involved are asking themselves similar control questions before they even start 
because if they have to invent Deux ex Machina as howlingly embarrassing and 
illogical as the one they passed on to the poor guy who had actually gone out 
of his way to try and replicate their claims, then they aren't doing science 
properly at all. (Please note there was no attempt to explain this in OJ's 
rebuttal) 
 

 You may say that it's a small point but it's pivotal to the way they do 
things. The goalposts constantly shift and failures - the yagya programme for 
instance - are ignored. You probably think I'm just getting at you lot for no 
reason but I'm not, I'm trying to show that science is a process trying to work 
out what is from what isn't and I rather suspect that

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