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Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 04/22/17 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 04/29/17 00:00:00 44 messages as of (UTC) 04/28/17 00:09:50 8 jr_esq 7 yifuxero 6 hepa7 6 dhamiltony2k5 3 srijau 3 email4you mikemail4you 2 steve.sundur 2 Dick Mays dickmays 2 Bhairitu noozguru 2 'My Enlightenment Delusion' myenlightenmentdelusion 1 eustace10679 1 Rick Archer rick 1 Mike Dixon mdixon.6569 Posters: 13 Saturday Morning 00:00 UTC Rollover Times = Daylight Saving Time (Summer): US Friday evening: PDT 5 PM - MDT 6 PM - CDT 7 PM - EDT 8 PM Europe Saturday: BST 1 AM CEST 2 AM EEST 3 AM Standard Time (Winter): US Friday evening: PST 4 PM - MST 5 PM - CST 6 PM - EST 7 PM Europe Saturday: GMT 12 AM CET 1 AM EET 2 AM For more information on Time Zones: www.worldtimezone.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The amazing story of Suzanne Segal
Thx.everybody for the outstanding comments. The question has come up many times re: the value and dangers of sharing "experiences" including claims as to Enlightenment. Don't be shy, I will value everybody's testimonials and claims without putting anybody down with one exception. I have a zero tolerance for "Neo-Advaita" and will call people out whenever possible (or, I will ignore them as in most of the Batgappers). I no longer have Suzanne's excellent book, but it appears that she was approaching Self-Realizaiton as defined by Ramana Maharshi (may be MMY's Brahman Consciousness); and I'm reminded of Ramana's Self-Realization experience of July 17, 1896: All of a sudden and without prior formal meditative practice, he felt like he was "dying" and using the words "as if dead" he apparently slipped into or fell into (as he says) Self-Realization or complete non-dual Reality. However, he apparently never shared any type of confusion, unpleasant Kundalin experience (or even a prior Kundalini experience); and none of the Ongological crises had by Suzanne. Just the Self, from that day to his death. The apparent confusion Suzanne expressed and it's remedy as she approached physical death may have been caused by the Neo-Advaitic fallacy: that there's no relative self, no ordinary ego, no experience, no karma, etc etc, no no noto the point of denying all of relative existence. It's easy to see how some claimants to E. can easily fall into this last snare of Maya. Then, just before her death, she quit denying her relative identity as "Suzanne" and got out of the Neo-Advaitic trap. The typical message of Neo-Advaita is that people should give up their "story" (personal relative history and identity and "Just Be". No techniques necessary - just Be. That's the message of the main proponent of Neo-Advaita in the 20-th century: HWL Poonja and his many disciples such as Andrew Cohen and Gangaji. ymmv
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The amazing story of Suzanne Segal
As I've mentioned before on FFL, I had a kundalini experience about 3 1/2 years before learning TM. It left me disoriented for months but gradually got back on my feet. The experience was a result of using a very simple meditation technique out of a book on yoga. On 04/27/2017 07:45 AM, 'My Enlightenment Delusion' myenlightenmentdelus...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: @steve.sundur We agree on many points, but not on everything. In the TM movement, I learned that we shouldn’t doubt our experiences. In retrospect, I think that I and some other TMers who had kundalini-type crises would have benefited from doubting our experiences. I think it would have been nice to know that over-whelming spiritual experiences may not be what they seem. For more on kundalini crises https://myenlightenmentdelusion.wordpress.com/kundalini. As another TM teacher framed it, “I saw God and all Hell broke loose.”
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The amazing story of Suzanne Segal
As I've said both in our off site communications as well as here, I think the body of evidence you've put together is remarkable, and a must read for anyone considering stepping on to path that involves spiritual practices. It has been very helpful to me. Who can argue with the personal accounts you have put forth? They present the unvarnished truth, both the good parts and the bad parts. It is only on the conclusion aspect where I think we differ. You have determined that experiences of enlightenment are a delusion, and I am of a mind that these experiences are legitimate. I mean, what does it really matter? Real world metrics help in sorting things out, I think. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : @... We agree on many points, but not on everything. In the TM movement, I learned that we shouldn’t doubt our experiences. In retrospect, I think that I and some other TMers who had kundalini-type crises would have benefited from doubting our experiences. I think it would have been nice to know that over-whelming spiritual experiences may not be what they seem. For more on kundalini crises https://myenlightenmentdelusion.wordpress.com/kundalini https://myenlightenmentdelusion.wordpress.com/kundalini. As another TM teacher framed it, “I saw God and all Hell broke loose.”
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The amazing story of Suzanne Segal
@steve.sundur We agree on many points, but not on everything. In the TM movement, I learned that we shouldn’t doubt our experiences. In retrospect, I think that I and some other TMers who had kundalini-type crises would have benefited from doubting our experiences. I think it would have been nice to know that over-whelming spiritual experiences may not be what they seem. For more on kundalini crises https://myenlightenmentdelusion.wordpress.com/kundalini. As another TM teacher framed it, “I saw God and all Hell broke loose.”
