[FairfieldLife] Re: Charismatic Spiritual

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Charisma and shakti classically are not taught as the same thing. Charisma 
being more of the personality in faculties and shakti a life force itself.  

 Something I find interesting in this academic introduction further below is 
the attempt to introduce for academicians the aspect of shakti as primordial 
into the consideration of charisma, separate from personality features. .."Pure 
charisma thus is personal and is based on face-to-face contact and feelings of 
trust, duty, and love on the part of the followers (Schweitzer 1984, 33). It is 
creative and revolutionary, for "in its pure form charisma . . . may be said to 
exist only in the process of originating" (Weber 1964, 364). 
 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Shakti, What are they doing for good with it? 

 On a ‘shaktic scale’ different spiritual people evidently have different 
capacity to help transform others in their spiritual life.  And then there are 
the ones we call ‘saints’ for their transforming  capacity. In the old Quaker 
practice of silent meditative meetings some individual old Friends whose 
presence ‘settled’ the silence of the group meditative Quaker meetings were 
known as “Weighty Friends” for their field effect of shakti on others.  And 
then the scope of shakti transmission in someone living like Ammachi helps one 
consider the possibilities of homo sapien. 
  
 A 'shaktic' or spiritual experience scale different 
 from beliefs, enthusiasm, or faith in a doctrine.  'Shaktic' possibly 
 as a word for scale of actual spiritual experience.  Shakti as a word 
 for a spiritual energy or field  experienced directly. 
 -Graphing, Spiritual Experience with Millennial-ism
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/communal-studies-forum/BVT5Okg_nfc 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/communal-studies-forum/BVT5Okg_nfc
  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
Shakti, 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "In using charisma to explain social change and heroic leaders, Weber did not 
intend merely to invent a dry academic term. Rather, he saw charisma as 
representing the incarnate life force itself, "the thrust of the sap in the 
tree and the blood in the veins," an elemental or daemonic power (Dow 1978)."  
-Prophetic Charisma.. Intro.
 

 

 Book Review:
 Prophetic Charisma: A Psychological Explanation for the Castaneda Phenomenon 
http://sustainedaction.org/Explorations/prophetic_charisma_psychological_explanation%20part1.htm
 
 
 
http://sustainedaction.org/Explorations/prophetic_charisma_psychological_explanation%20part1.htm
 
 Prophetic Charisma: A Psychological Explanation f... 
http://sustainedaction.org/Explorations/prophetic_charisma_psychological_explanation%20part1.htm
 Prophetic Charisma: A Psychological Explanation for the 'Castaneda Phenomenon' 
Introduction by Corey Donovan


 
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http://sustainedaction.org/Explorations/prophetic_charisma_psychological_explanation%20part1.htm
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 What of charisma, spiritually? 
  Where is TM with charisma?
 Evidently it would seem that TM's charisma is now "dispersed and routinized, 
..and not necessarily as great a force for social change,"  .. 
 'routinized', by this way of thinking:
 

 Prophetic Charisma: The Psychology of Revolutionary Religious Personalities 
(1997) by Len Oakes
 Introduction by Corey Donovan
 What is this thing called charisma?
 [T]he idea of a divinely inspired power or talent is as old as mankind. The 
oldest surviving work of fiction, the Epic of Gilgamesh, tells of a 
warrior-king, part god and part man, who quests for the secret of eternal life. 
He has many adventures in the lands of the gods, and even attains that which he 
seeks, only to have it torn from his grasp at the last moment. He returns home 
convinced of the futility of his quest and knowing that "the central fact of my 
life is my death" (Kopp 1972, 31; Heidel 1968).
 

 The word "charisma" comes from the name of the Greek goddess Charis, who 
personified grace, beauty, purity, and altruism. Possession of these faculties 
came to be known as charisma. [Footnote: The Greek word is charizesthai, and it 
means favor or gift of divine origin. The Greeks do not seem to have associated 
this with the kind of demagogic and irrational leadership of which Plato wrote 
in his Gorgias, although they were well aware of the rhapsodic "Dionysian" 
aspect of life; Plato was a member of the Elysian mystery cult. For Aristotle 
the megalopsychos was the great man who dares to live alone in secret worship 
of his own soul. 
 The Romans called the hero’s charismatic power facilitas and believed it was 
derived from the gods.] 
 Later usages derive from St. Paul, who saw it as a gift of grace from God: "To 
one there is given through the spirit the message of wisdom, 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Mutineers Beware Re Rajas! of History!

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

..

 In a longer view of process it is likely okay in form for Mother India to 
achieve its independence, freedom and their country back from the Britain and 
the Raj of the East India Company but evidently much of India was left landless 
and in poverty because of the Raj. 

 "The real power of the uprising was in rural India," Mr Pathak tells the BBC.
 "The tragedy we find when we visit these villages is that the descendants of 
the rebels are still mired in poverty."
 ..

 ™’s fate with its Raja?  
 ..To be seen in how they behave with the group. 
 History can be instructive to a future, for those who have eyes to see.
 -JaiGuruYou
 

 #

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well actually this community 'process' now currently going on is a fourth time 
around with the meditating community, at least, in Fairfield with the TM 
movement and it has not necessarily gone well before for some previous 
reformists who attempted to change or streamline the TM movement’s ritual. I 
have thick files of minutes of these previous attempts at reform.

 And, More recently.. 
 leadership change in the TM community... 
 431494Re: Reformation and Renaissance  
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/431494 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/431494
 

 ..
 
 Bhairitu offers, That's why FFL stands for "Funny Farm Lounge". :
 

 srijau writes:


 you have a valid cause in many ways but you utterly discredit yourself with 
this dumb ugly and irrelevant nonsense

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Revolting (historically) against the Rajas..
 "Shah Mal and 26 leaders who were hanged on a banyan tree close to the village 
will be remembered.

 it was a mutiny of sepoys which spread to former rulers of northern India.

 ..of the many forgotten accounts of peasants and commoners, who were an 
essential part of the rebellion, the widespread extent of peasant participation,
 .. the rebels were hanged, and their lands were confiscated, auctioned off and 
redistributed among those who were loyal. 

 The villages that the British declared as baagi were the ones that had fought 
for independence, and which later faced heavy reprisals when the British 
regained control of the territories.
 ..records of 1858 sheds light on how the British attacked villages in Meerut. 
"The principal villages were successfully surrounded, a little after daybreak, 
by different parties told of. A considerable number of the men were killed; 40 
taken prisoners, 40 of whom were consequently hung…."

 "But, the role of the peasantry in the uprising has been glossed over by 
bourgeois historians,"

 ..known as sepoys, set off a rebellion against the British rule in 1857, often 
referred to as the first war of independence. Ordinary farmers took up arms to 
support them in the fight against the British, but their contribution has been 
largely forgotten."

 # Jai Guru You. 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 An important component of the 1857 uprising were the "thousands of spontaneous 
peasants' jacqueries [revolt] all over northern India," writes cultural 
historian Sumanta Banerjee, in his book

 

 
 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-40528129 
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-40528129
 





  

[FairfieldLife] Re: New Data on the Adverse Effects of Meditation and Mindfulness Study reports on the less-examined findings of difficult and pa

[srijau]

good to note that there are zero TM meditators in this study.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re Separatists, In Quiet, European ancestral genealogy of transcendentalism

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Persecutions by creedal religionists of mystics and their groups of separatist 
transcendentalists across Europe are often a theme in these communal 
narratives. 

 Recently retired to a safety in community of meditating Fairfield, Iowa a 
meditator’s spouse who practiced law for a career in NYC at a law firm kept 
their practice of meditation secret to avoid persecution. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Of the modern day persecution of transcendentalists, up in Wisconsin recently 
I ran into an older ™ initiator from there. This is someone who saw a TM intro 
lecture poster in 1969 in Madison, attended the lecture that was given by 
Walter Koch and learned ™ then in those times. 

 As a State certified teacher working in public school this person then fell 
victim to persecution for associating with ™.  Directly persecuted by school 
superintendents, building principals,other staff, parents asking that their 
kids not be taught by this person or parents going directly to the school board 
to have this person fired for fear this person might be teaching meditation to 
the children. The superintendent calling the local ™ center seeking information 
about this staff teacher. The teacher declined resignation and stayed on 
teaching. But the pressure was great to resign. 
  
 This followed for years affecting this person’s career advancement.  An irony 
now is that mindfulness meditation is taught in the public schools up there 
today.
  
 This person is retired now from teaching and still traumatized by the longer 
experience of it does not talk to friends and associates about meditating or 
being with Maharishi in those days. When the person found I was from Fairfield 
and an old initiator from those days a comparing of old stories opened up. 

 The person was a working school teacher then and made use of school breaks. We 
figured we attended the same weekend residence courses early on in Iowa City as 
new meditators, one month courses with Maharishi, a teacher training course 
with Maharishi, ATR courses with Maharishi in Europe, was with Maharishi in 
Fairfield too.

 This person used the word ‘persecution’ in recounting the experience 
throughout. It was stark. Early days of moving to Meditating Fairfield, Ia. 
gave a small taste of insight in to what persecution in Jim Crow might have 
been to someone who was otherwise majority Iowan, like me coming to Fairfield 
as a transcendental meditationist.

 Now though with a longer time of assimilation the separation is not nearly so 
great in Fairfield.  And evidently, the postmodern is catching up with Madison, 
Wisconsin too as they are teaching meditation in their schools now.   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 In victimization of separatist movements by the hands of creedal religionists 
persecution runs throughout the narratives of these historic satsanga groups 
across Europe and across time as they formed. 
As transcendentalist and essentially heretical to the religious belief and 
ideology of God the Father Church, these ‘separatist’ groups and their 
practitioners evidently fell victim to a State of fear within religious 
formality throughout Europe.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Separating the heterodox and heretical..  A Christian statement of belief, The 
Athanasian Creed it differs from the Nicene-Constantinopolitan 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed and Apostles' Creeds 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostles%27_Creed in the inclusion of anathemas 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anathema, or condemnations of those who disagree 
with the creed (like the original Nicene Creed 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed#The_original_Nicene_Creed_of_325 
..which various anathemas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anathema against Arian 
propositions were added.[15] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed#cite_note-15).. All mainstream 
branches[citation needed 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed] of Christianity now 
consider (Arianism in that case) to be heterodox 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterodoxy and heretical 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy. The Ecumenical First Council of Nicaea 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea of 325 deemed it to be a 
heresy.[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism#cite_note-Ferguson2013-3
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasian_Creed 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasian_Creed
 ..Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the 
catholic faith. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled; 
without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anathema https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anathema

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 “The most beautiful emotion we can experience is the mystical. It is the power 
of all true 

[FairfieldLife] Uranus has rings!

[he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

 https://youtu.be/86r2l2V7y6E?t=3m31s https://youtu.be/86r2l2V7y6E?t=3m31s

 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] >>> Unified field of consciousness >>>

[email4you mikemail4...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Unified field of consciousness 
>>> backed up by modern science:
https://tmhome.com/news-events/unified-field-of-consciousness-onemany/For most 
of us, the everyday experience is dualistic. There seems to be a separate, 
subjective ‘me’ who witnesses objects, thoughts, events, emotions…
Yet by means of meditation we can glimpse the true reality of a unified field 
of consciousness. Everything is one, and everything is many – at the very same 
time and without any contradiction whatsoever.As modern science progresses, it 
offers more and more conceptual understanding of this beautiful experience of 
transcendence.     
***

[FairfieldLife] Re: Re Separatists, In Quiet, European ancestral genealogy of transcendentalism

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Persecutions by creedal religionists of mystics and these groups of separatist 
transcendentalists are an often theme in their narrative. 

 Recently retired to the meditating Fairfield community a meditator’s spouse 
who practiced law for a career in NYC at a law firm kept their practice of 
mediation secret to avoid persecution. 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Of the modern day persecution of transcendentalists, up in Wisconsin recently 
I ran into an older ™ initiator from there. This is someone who saw a TM intro 
lecture poster in 1969 in Madison, attended the lecture that was given by 
Walter Koch and learned ™ then in those times. 

 As a State certified teacher working in public school this person then fell 
victim to persecution for associating with ™.  Directly persecuted by school 
superintendents, building principals,other staff, parents asking that their 
kids not be taught by this person or parents going directly to the school board 
to have this person fired for fear this person might be teaching meditation to 
the children. The superintendent calling the local ™ center seeking information 
about this staff teacher. The teacher declined resignation and stayed on 
teaching. But the pressure was great to resign. 
  
 This followed for years affecting this person’s career advancement.  An irony 
now is that mindfulness meditation is taught in the public schools up there 
today.
  
 This person is retired now from teaching and still traumatized by the longer 
experience of it does not talk to friends and associates about meditating or 
being with Maharishi in those days. When the person found I was from Fairfield 
and an old initiator from those days a comparing of old stories opened up. 

 The person was a working school teacher then and made use of school breaks. We 
figured we attended the same weekend residence courses early on in Iowa City as 
new meditators, one month courses with Maharishi, a teacher training course 
with Maharishi, ATR courses with Maharishi in Europe, was with Maharishi in 
Fairfield too.

 This person used the word ‘persecution’ in recounting the experience 
throughout. It was stark. Early days of moving to Meditating Fairfield, Ia. 
gave a small taste of insight in to what persecution in Jim Crow might have 
been to someone who was otherwise majority Iowan, like me coming to Fairfield 
as a transcendental meditationist.

 Now though with a longer time of assimilation the separation is not nearly so 
great in Fairfield.  And evidently, the postmodern is catching up with Madison, 
Wisconsin too as they are teaching meditation in their schools now.   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 In victimization of separatist movements by the hands of creedal religionists 
persecution runs throughout the narratives of these historic satsanga groups 
across Europe and across time as they formed. 
As transcendentalist and essentially heretical to the religious belief and 
ideology of God the Father Church, these ‘separatist’ groups and their 
practitioners evidently fell victim to a State of fear within religious 
formality throughout Europe.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Separating the heterodox and heretical..  A Christian statement of belief, The 
Athanasian Creed it differs from the Nicene-Constantinopolitan 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed and Apostles' Creeds 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostles%27_Creed in the inclusion of anathemas 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anathema, or condemnations of those who disagree 
with the creed (like the original Nicene Creed 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed#The_original_Nicene_Creed_of_325 
..which various anathemas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anathema against Arian 
propositions were added.[15] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed#cite_note-15).. All mainstream 
branches[citation needed 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed] of Christianity now 
consider (Arianism in that case) to be heterodox 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterodoxy and heretical 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy. The Ecumenical First Council of Nicaea 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea of 325 deemed it to be a 
heresy.[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism#cite_note-Ferguson2013-3
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasian_Creed 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasian_Creed
 ..Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the 
catholic faith. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled; 
without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anathema https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anathema

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 “The most beautiful emotion we can experience is the mystical. It is the power 
of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion 

[FairfieldLife] Re: New Data on the Adverse Effects of Meditation and Mindfulness Study reports on the less-examined findings of difficult and pa

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Good problem definitions.  This person has thought long and hard about this.
 Now needs more than a surveying of 60 persons to be able to say much about it. 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/06/new-data-adverse-effects-meditation-mindfulness/
 
https://www.madinamerica.com/2017/06/new-data-adverse-effects-meditation-mindfulness/