[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual vs Spiritism
I too have had the experience of being visited by deceased friends and family while asleep. It has happened in what seemed like a dream, but more often it happens when I am sleeping but not dreaming (or at least I am not dreaming as I do normally night after night). None have spoken to me, but a few times I came away with an understanding of something the visiting soul wanted me to know. For example, my grandmother came several times one night in such a fashion that I twice woke up startled. Soon I realized that there was a book I was reading on death and the afterlife that she wanted me to give to my mother who (unknown to me) was soon to cross over. I gave $1,000 to a desparate friend who promised that if he didn't repay the money, he'd come live with me so I could help him. He broke the promise and died soon after from a drug overdose. Later at my wedding, a casual friend I was not close to gave me $1,000, which was a crazy-generous gift. Right after that my dead friend appeared while I was sleeping, and I knew that he was communicating that this was from his influence. Upon waking, I realized that he and I were even. There is a quality to these experiences that is decidedly different than dreaming. Frank --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---I'm not so sure. Once, my deceased Mother appeared to me in the dream state saying that in the near future there would be an ant invasion in my apt. Sure enough, 2 weeks later there was an ant invasion, but I nipped it in the bud. Good information! In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: A good point, and hopefully a springboard to an interesting thread. I have always been nothing short of *amazed* at the number of TMers who get involved with channeling and spirit voices and communicating with higher masters and the like, given the STRONG stance Maharishi took against these practices from Day One. snip As I experienced it was nothing like facile interactions with an ouija board or channeling or spirits or crap like that. it just happens. one day its not there and the next day it is. just like tm provides awareness of the full range of creation, as that process becomes clearer and clearer, new things are discovered. it is not at the gross level that you suggest at all, yet concrete, distinct, and of immense benefit. after some time, when the relationship has run its course, it can be let go of too. no contradiction to what Mahahrishi spoke about.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'NYT- Maharishi Effect Spreads Across U.S.'
I don't have a dog in this fight (A guy named Lawson versus Mr. Flame thrower), BUT as of 2001 Benson had not learned TM and indicted tacitly he had no intention of learning since he considers his technique the equivalent. He still provides seminars in which he teaches his technique. I base this on work my ex-business partner did on his website, and his attendance at his seminar and one-on-one conversations that they had about TM. A reasonable person speaking with Benson would come away understanding that Benson does not plan to ever practice TM. He has his own MA-based institute and no rocket science is required to read that site and understand that this guy doesn't do TM or know much about it. Frank --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Feb 22, 2008, at 12:53 AM, Robert wrote: To the best of my knowledge, it has never been studied truly independently, said Dr. Herbert Benson, director emeritus of the Benson-Henry Institute for Mind Body Medicine at Massachusetts General Hospital, and a TM practitioner himself. It's been hypothesized for many years, but never proven. Thanks. We won't hold our breaths... By all accounts, Benson never learned TM, so if he told the reporter he practices it, he was making the assumption that breath-counting is the same as TM. Hardly a reliable source of info, from the start. Lawson, you did it AGAIN. There are *several* ways of seeing this quote, only one of which you pursued -- the one that you could use to portray Herbert Benson as a LIAR, and thus as unreliable. 1) The reporter could have gotten it wrong. 2) Benson could have started TM in the days since you last heard of him. 3) Benson *qualified* his statement by saying To the best of my knowledge... AND, the real bottom line is that you consider yourself somewhat up on the research on TM. If you think that Benson was incorrect in the best of his knowledge, all you had to do was post the citations of the *independent* (that is, studies in which none of the researchers were TMers) research that has been done on the ME. Right? You took none of these options, all of which were available to you. Instead, AGAIN, you went for the cheap shot of implying that Benson lied to the reporter, in an attempt to portray him as unreliable. Don't you SEE what you do here, Lawson? It's actually a kind of sickness on your part. You seemingly have to react to anyone who suggests a different way of seeing things than the way you see them as if they have nefarious motives, or as if they are lying. I'm using my last post of the week talking about this because I think it's possible that you really DON'T see your pattern here, and why your statements don't have the impact you seem to think they will have when you fire them off. They're mean-spirited, Lawson. You COULD have just posted the citations of the truly independent research on the ME, if it exists. My suspicion is that it DOESN'T exist, *exactly* as Dr. Benson suggests, and so that avenue wasn't open to you. Frustrated by this, you took the path of the cheap shot and implied YET AGAIN that a person who is less supportive of the TM claims than you want them to be is a LIAR, and thus unreliable. By now we're all hip to this harp on a nitpick to distract people from what is really being said technique. We've seen it FAR too often, almost always employed by the pro-TMers. In recent days you have used it to demonize Chopra, and now you're using it to demonize Herbert Benson. The nitpicks themselves don't really matter IMO; it's the *pattern* that's important. And that pattern is -- exactly as I said earlier -- that when you encounter someone who believes something different about TM, Maharishi, or the TMO than you do, your first knee-jerk impulse is to prove that person a liar, and/or unreliable. You're better than that, IMO. By continuing to do this, the only person you are proving unreliable is yourself.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's take a walk. Speaking with Deepak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Frank McLaughlin frank3373@ wrote: This post begs two questions: 1) was the TM org in better shape when Chopra was active in the early 90's? What is different now and then? 2) What is wrong with the current state of the TM org other than everything is too expensive (in the US), but that has been the case for a long time. -- Frank With all due respect, King Tony reacts to being told the horrible truth that Maharishi is (wait for it) mortal and can get sick like everyone else with a pathological level of denial, and the only two questions that this begs to you are about the state of the TM movement? With all due respect, I think you are having trouble reading English. I didn't say these two questions were the only two questions that this 'begs. I sought clarification on two questions of interest to *me*. The implication of the rest of the post is evident, and doesn't need elaboration. Someone saying that they don't believe a word Deepak says does not to me indicate a pathological level of denial, but in any event I do not care what Tony Nadar thinks about Maharishi. Since he cared for Maharishi daily during the last year of Maharishi's life when clearly Maharishi was ill, I would assume Nadar understood Maharishi's mortality. But who cares?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Let's take a walk. Speaking with Deepak
This post begs two questions: 1) was the TM org in better shape when Chopra was active in the early 90's? What is different now and then? 2) What is wrong with the current state of the TM org other than everything is too expensive (in the US), but that has been the case for a long time. -- Frank --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, william108wm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I spoke with Deepak Chopra this morning after a radio interview he did in DC. As we walked to his car, he spoke about his sadness about the current state of the TM org. I mentioned that I felt that his recent essays after Maharishi's passing were very valuable for people to hear and that it has stimulated alot of emails on this YahooGroup discussion board. He said that he just had to do it to clear the air about his relationship with the TM org over the years. He said that when Maharishi first came to Holland Deepak got Tony Nadar's attention and said Let's take a walk. During that walk he told Tony about all the details of Maharishi's near death illnesses and his time in England. Deepak said that upon hearing this, Tony was in shock and said to him I don't believe a word of this. I asked Deepak if I may share his conversation with this group. He said Absolutely John
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT WILL FAIRFIELD IOWA LOOK LIKE BY THE END OF 2007?
I had a long conversation with Sai Baba's former English translator, an American, many years ago, and he told me then that Baba was a fake. That the ash, trinkets were stored in a warehouse, and that Baba had no power. He uses sleigth of hand. He certainly has no teaching. I've been to one of his ashrams, and they've got nothing, just vague Hindu mumbo jumbo that I'm not sure even they understand. It's nowhere. Frank --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I don't know if Sai Baba pulls the whole Michael Jackson beat it routine with kids, but I do know that he is a shitty magician. I've seen the tapes of his versions of tricks that I learned when I was 10 years old. I saw his fumbling version of the steal the Vibhuti from the napkin while pretending to wipe your hands trick. I've seen the same double sided vase that I got for my birthday as a kid, used to amaze his gullible followers. I've seen him palm amulets and produce them on film as if he pulled them out of his cosmic ass. You are letting him get away with a magic act that would not cut it in a 4th grade talent show. Yes I've seen the slow motion videos exposing SB faking his manifestations and have heard accounts from insiders of how SB keeps a big closet full of trinkets that later get manifested. I've also been told that SB did practice various occult techniques as a youngster that gave him some sidhis and some of his magic acts are real, but he doesn't always have the juice flowing so he also fakes in order to keep his followers amazed. The real problem here is that followers would actually think his tricks, real or fake, are indicative of spiritual enlightenment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Lsoma@ wrote: Easy does it. Sai Baba is not a petafile. If you are so certain that Sai Baba is then get someone to video tape it. Stop listening to everyone and everything. If you do the bullshit piles up and you can get it all over yourself. Go within for your answers. If you want to visit every website that has stories to degrade anyone then you have too much free time. Go to the dome and hop around for world peace. It would be healthier than finding out what Guru screwed who. It is no wonder the world is the way it is with so many people lacking faith in some higher good. Let the angels of God judge Sai Baba. No one gets away with anything anyhow. Change the channel and get a new antenna. Or as Maharishi used to say- Focus on the rose not the thorns. Stop judging every teacher that comes along and let them work out there own karma. Be thankful for what they have given to us. Everyone changes in their own time. Lsoma. The info on Sai Baba being a pedophile is now overwhelming, not from scandalous websites but mainly from former leaders of his org., many of whom had children sodomized and verified by doctors. These were people who did not want to believe the truth about Sai Baba but couldn't ignore the evidence after much agonizing. Do some common sense research on this rather than listening to channelers. Spiritual people look the other way when children are being molested? The world is a bad place because people show some discrimination as to who is and who isn't a true spiritual teacher? I had a very open mind about this issue when I first came across it, but I can't find any supporter of Sai Baba who's making any reasonable argument, just the above spiritual jive talk. Walking around in robes talking about God and periodically displaying some sidhis due to a grossly inbalanced kundalini process doesn't provide any kind of cover for grossly dark behavior.
