[FairfieldLife] Re: Running through walls to Michael J
Re: DrDumbAss Comment: TM is not the static believerism you make it out to be. You have NO IDEA about the techniques#39; long term effects because you quit doing it, decades ago. The long term effects of TM or any other technique for enlightenment are only from the karma already released. There are no other long term effects other than psychological conditioning. Karma is released while one is doing whatever technique is employed, but ceases to be released when the technique is stopped. I know all or part of seven different paths to enlightenment, but practiced TM very regularly for over 17 years. I found the path that I believe is the fastest and most complete, but it was an offshoot from first, Elizabeth Clare Prophet's teachings, then Christianity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Michael, my memory is probably faulty about this, but didn't you recently say that you still do TM sometimes? And btw, I'm glad you had such a good childhood, sounds like what many of us had, a mix of happy and unhappy stuff. OTOH, 30 post in 24 hours?! And most of it anti TM?! I think this is the kind of posting that makes me wonder if there's more going on for you than simply sharing your opinions.  From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders]  that is the difference in you and me (thank God) you believe I quit, I know that I saved myself further brain numbing allegiance to a corrupt man and organization. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 6:28 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Running through walls [was Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders]  Ha-Ha! Why, did you quit TM prematurely too?? My take on stuff I quit, is that I quit. I definitely don't continue to dig at it, if I am no longer participating. I would never start an argument with someone, arguing against something they did, when I didn't. How incredibly dense. So, yeah, I don't give quitters a lot of credence. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: You blew it - There is a phenomenon you've probably heard of in long distance running, called, hitting the wall. It means reaching a point of physical depletion, after 15 or so miles, so that the only thing carrying you forward is your knowledge that it is a temporary phase, that can be transcended. But if you are not confident, this is the end of the journey. TM is all about continuing to run through imagined walls. Too bad you and Bee are quitters. Now, neither of you will ever know about the eternal benefits of TM. Maybe you should've hung in there a little longer? Hmm, you seem to have found yourself a perfect, if ridiculous, way to claim to have won any argument about TM: You only did it for 20 years! What do you know! Doesn't make much of an advertising slogan though: TM - twenty years of running through walls --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: you are an idiot - I did TM for 20 years, twice a day, every day - it took me that long to realize it wasn't the only game in town - stupid me. From: doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders àThe only people I see repeating what they were TOLD are you and MJ, repeating over and over again, what you TELL yourselves. The thing you haven't recognized about TM, *since you don't do it*, is that the practice keeps you moving. TM is not the static believerism you make it out to be. You have NO IDEA about the techniques' long term effects because you quit doing it, decades ago. So you can fart into the wind all you like, exhorting us all about what TM is and isn't. But you are nothing but a quitter sitting on the sidelines bitching about it, in my humble opinion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: My point is that a lot of these discussions are, from my point of view, falling prey to one of the most chronic TM fallacies. People repeat stuff they were TOLD -- by the people selling them the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! to Steve
Well, no one else said it, so I am going to. The beautiful century old Gothic Chapel(historic landmark)on campus, to which at least one poster referred, was torn down. In my opinion, the fact that the chapel was torn down says it all. For the hypothetical question of whether or not a Bible study group would be allowed: A better question is, would it be attended? To my knowledge, many in Fairfield, and some of the posters on this blog, are anti-organized religion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Oh Uncle Xeno - why did you get so mad at me? It's love - Uncle Xeno - no one will love like Ravi - that's my guarantee. Remember Gurus will always give you platitudes, will give you beliefs because they want approval, following - if there's one thing someone can say about my behavior it is that I don't give a damn about anyone's approval, it's so sad you can't see that and go on this totally fantasized diatribe but it's cute and hilarious. Ravi, I am bypassing your self-appointed desk lackey (laughinggull) to communicate directly in my usual cold-hearted and distant fashion. My purpose on being at FFL is to clarify my experience. It would be ludicrous for me to be a guru. I normally do not feel a need to vent my frustrations here, as seems to be a common practice. However if you need asinine platitudes, I suppose I could make up a few for you. 'Those who wash the right sock before the left will be left behind.' 'Those who wash the left sock before the right will be right behind.' What percent of the population of India knows what a sock is? It is very important when on the path of enlightenment to keep one's footwear properly organised according to dharmic principles. And, I was not mad at you. You just always seem to be teetering on the edge of ... well, whatever the edge is, you always seem to be about to tip off of it. You are a person of dynamic contrasts. On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to go through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish to respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in due time to see if He would like to even pursue your line of discussion. If He chooses not to, then no reason to even post your comments in the first place. A very efficient and effective use of His precious time. And please try to remember... I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket counter access to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi Chivukula Guruji Mahatmaraja, beneath whom I am not fit to sweep even His Toe Nail Clippings. Pray tell upon what condition His Infiniteness might deign to drop a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan in my unworthy direction. Perhaps in a moment of His most offhand attention He would feel it barely tolerable to pass a kernel of His Most High Wisdom through you to us most thirsty and groveling, sycophantic worshipers of His Greatness. Perhaps you could collect a few grains left over from one of His Chapatis, that we could build a shrine to house them and perpetuate their Divine and most Humble power.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Take two:Everything below is my POV
@ feste37: Sorry, but this is what people have been complaining about. Those in the TMO believe everything they are told. To completely re-roof a building the size of the chapel, especially at the time it was supposed to have been re-roofed, would not have cost $100,000. Foundation repairs might have cost $100,000, but most of the time foundation repairs cost much less than that. And, so much upkeep? On a lime stone building? We all know the chapel was sacrificed for a new building the DAC wanted there much more than they wanted the chapel. Also, about the Catholic Church tear down, even though I am a Protestant; I attended the Catholic Church in Fairfield one Sunday back in the 1980s. The congregation had completely outgrown their facility. It also never had the charm and beauty of the campus chapel. In Capital Speak, calling people names because they tell the truth is Undignified. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: (snip) One of the biggest problems of discussing Maharishi's teaching with Judy is that she lacks the full context of it because she was not trained in it. She did not sit through the 696 hours of instruction including a month devoted to Vedic Studies that puts Maharishi's teaching into the context of his religious traditions. But she doesn't know what she doesn't know, so she launches into attacks with a skewed perspective that is very difficult to sort out when combined with her pugnaciousness. This is yet another misrepresentation of our discussion by Curtis. My only claim has to do with what the rank-and-file is taught. That does *not* require sitting through the 696 hours of instruction, nor is it a skewed perspective. I've never disputed that what is taught to the rank-and-file is not the full context of Maharishi's teaching. (snip) (to Ann:) I get that you are big fan of Judy, not a fan of Barry, and seem to go back and forth with me. But please stick to what is actually being claimed. IOW, to what *Curtis* is claiming, including his misrepresentations of what *I* have claimed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The New Movement
However, we still need a way to balance karma (Cosmic Consciousness), or eliminate karma entirely (Unity Consciousness). Most of us are not born at the tipping point, which is apparent in the case of Eckhart Tolle. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: I was being facetious of course - in my world view the TMO has had its day - also inmy opinion, the states of awareness that we experience have nothing to do with TM or in fact ANY meditation technique, we are led to believe it and I did for a long long time, but I think that all of the CC, GC, Unity stuff, celestial perception, seeing devas and all the rest are experiences that exist within each of us because it is all within Pure Awareness which is our essential nature - we merely need to get quiet within and feel and observe to begin these experiences. I know a lot of FFL disagrees, and many of us had TM as that which first began our going within People like Eckhart Tolle who never meditated a day in his life before he woke up are living proof that you don't need a movement to get you somewhere, but most people have so little confidence in themselves that they think they need a leader or a teacher. My belief is that Marshy knew that we had all the experiences that one could call alternative states within us and capitalized on the fact by claiming TM was the best way to experience it. The TMO has too much baggage of its own and Marshy's to be of any further value to the world. From: sound of stillness soundofstillness@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:59 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The New Movement  No thoughts, no mantra doesn't exclude the TMO. Aware-ness, like 'space', doesn't exclude any 'thing' within the space. Like the space we call a room might include a table, candles, flowers, incense and anything else we might like to add. Michael From : Michael Jackson Sat, 16 Mar 2013 11:40:09 -0700 no thoughts no mantra no TMO From: sound of stillness Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment - The New Movement - Buck It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the True Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave. Who is the new movement that you mention? If in the end, we pass the Buck to you, how do you see the new movement unfolding? What's the vision bro? Michael From : Buck This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come forward and say,We are not that! and put good people in to those facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy at the top. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO - Part one
TM is actually only half of the Contemplation Technique. The Contemplation Technique requires picturing your deity in your mind while repeating a mantra. Picturing your deity - focus - eliminates the spaciness associated with TM. While the Contemplation Technique is not quite so charming, it is better for effectiveness in activity. The Contemplation Technique is a known 30-40 year path. So then the question is: How long is the path for only half of the Contemplation Technique - for TM? The path seems to be a least 30-40 years or longer. The other question is: Without the other half of the Contemplation Technique, does one end up in the same place that one would end, without picturing his deity in his mind? If he becomes enlightened, with what does he have an affinity? In addition to being only half of the Contemplation Technique, unless one follows some other religious instruction to keep himself oriented in a righteous direction, it seems that one could become, to quote the characters from a popular movie, either Saruman or Gandalf? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Is that it? Is this the great expose? I think most of this came up the second week FFL was live. (-: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: If I have not caused many on FFL to despise me, this post will go a long way towards that end, not that it is intentional and even though I am going to have some fun with this, I am writing in a serious vein. My Description of the TM Movement The First Level of the Movement: It all started with Marshy, a scribe by caste, erroneously or deceitfully (take your pick) described for years as being from the warrior caste. This may have been due to white folk not understanding the difference between kayastha and kshatriya. Marshy was a follower of Swami Bramananda, and became his secretary. He was told by the Swami that he was a businessman and Marshy was no particular favorite of the Swami, just his scribe. After Swami Bramananda's death, Marshy wandered around for a while, then began to claim a special relationship with the Swami he did not have. Lying from the beginning, he eventually told everyone that Guru Dev, as he called the Swami, had given him the mantras and the charge to give the knowledge of spiritual freedom in enlightenment and the means to achieve enlightenment in this life to the people of the world. Marshy's wanderings eventually led him to the United States and England. In England he evidently like the appearance of the British gals who came to learn wisdom at his feet and began a decades long practice of attempting to seduce the ladies who came to him for spiritual guidance and enlightenment. Marshy also became very enamored of money and did all he could to collect as much as he could get, of course he wanted it to fund his world-wide movement which was dedicated to the betterment of mankind, tho much of his attention in the afterhours was devoted to womankind. His association with the Beatles led to a great deal of unexpected publicity which he used to the fullest extent possible to gain more converts. In those days his pitch was: the more people doing TM, the better the world would be. In a pre-cursor of what would become routine fear mongering with him, he made hints that nuclear war was a possibility if enough people did not do TM. As time went by he became more and more manipulative and began to concoct wilder and more outlandish schemes to defraud people of their money, gain their personal love and allegiance and for a few decades, get sex from those of his followers who were willing. Allegations have been made that in the times he was not successful in seducing women, he sent to India for Indian men to satisfy his sexual needs. Eventually, even with all the absurd fantasies he was promoting â enlightenment through TM, levitation and other super powers through the TM Sidhi program, perfect health through his brand of Ayurveda, improvement of life through his brand of Indian astrology, removal of bad karma with Hindu sacrifices (yagas), he became increasingly bizarre as his own set of karmas became manifest when he became increasingly senile. Eventually he led a Howard Hughes existence, cut off from the world by those who had everything to lose by revealing his actual mental and medical state. And so he died, reviled by those who saw through his façade, adored by those who allowed the Vedic wool to be pulled over their eyes.
