[FairfieldLife] It's All About Barry, was A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
On 11/23/2014 8:26 PM, anartaxius wrote: Were I to characterise Barry, I would say he is a terrorist in Beliefland. A belief is the pretence you know something you do not know, an opinion, an idea not supported by facts, unlike an informed belief which is more of an hypothesis that can stand additional testing. Like balloons floating in Disney World, mere beliefs, even if tightly held, are airy ideas that have no substance, and Barry is the pin that attempts to pop the pretence. It is difficult for Barry, or anyone else, to teach others how to abandon their beliefs if they themselves have deep-seated beliefs of their own which conflict with their own pedagogy. We all have beliefs and we all have an ego that we protect. The problem with this teaching style is that it is easy to lapse into hypocrisy. My style of teaching is similar to Barry's - /every statement, when taken to extremes, will be found to be self-contradictory/. The difference being that I /want/ to talk about my own cognitive dissonance and beliefs. For example, a pretense that he witnessed Rama levitate up off of a sofa hundreds of times, is an easy target because it is obviously contrary to common sense, science and even to his own teaching. It was false on it's face and a mistake. Even more so when he is attempting to rid others of their beliefs! In fact, this sort of claim is almost pure self-deception. To be confronted with one's own cognitive dissonance, at least for Barry, seems to be the most terrifying threat possible - to the point that he seems to be almost unable to discuss it with anyone. Barry is the loose pin that unraveled due to his own hubris. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] It's All About Barry, was A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Press conference to proclaim someone Enlightened ? What a joke. The TMO, thankfully, has more dignity than the Turq can ever imagine. They would never ever engage in such circus-activities as this troubled poster suggest. On 11/24/2014 8:46 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Although I didn't read most of what our esteemed colleague wrote below (I caught the gist) I had the same thought as Nabby. It is not the job or the business of the TMO to go around hanging signs around people's necks in order to verify their enlightenment. /By far the biggest fib Barry ever told was his claim that he witnessed REAL levitation. ///I don't know how any adult could possible think that anyone is that stupid -it's just pure hubris. Go figure./ But also right up there was his fib about MMY promising enlightenment in 5-7 years. I am convinced that this is a total fabrication. It doesn't even make common sense - in 1965, there were already hundreds of people that had been practicing TM for over 10 years. These two falsehoods puts Barry into the totally discredited category. / If there is such a thing then perhaps only one's spiritual teacher (if one had one at all) could possibly verify the state of his student's state of consciousness. And whose business is that anyway? Putting labels on people and dressing them up as poster people for the Movement because of their supposed state would be absurd and as far as I'm concerned it is a credit to them that they refrain from this. As Nabby said, What a joke. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */It seems to me that this issue can be easily resolved. /* */ /* */If, in fact, the person Nabby is speaking about has attained enlightenment as the result of practicing the TM technique (and/or the TMSP), then one would think that the TM organization should want to be the first to proclaim the truth of this and inform the world of his momentous achievement. They should schedule a press conference and announce it to the whole world. /* */ /* */However, this organization, while giving lectures for over 50 years now that proclaim loudly that they are selling the fastest path to enlightenment on the planet, has NEVER given a press conference and pointed to a single individual and said, This is an example of what we are selling. This person is enlightened, and they got that way by practicing the techniques we sell. So it's not exactly likely that they're going to hold such a press conference now. /* */Just think about that 50+-year track record, and how often the TMO has produced someone enlightened. /* */ /* */NEVER. /* */ /* */NOT ONCE. /* */ /* */The TM organization likes to talk about the millions of people who have learned TM. But somehow, *over the course of 50 years*, that same TM organization has NEVER produced *a single person* who it can point to publicly and say that this person has actually succeeded in attaining enlightenment by practicing the fastest path to it. /* */ /* */NOT ONE. /* */ /* */ZERO. /* */ /* */BUPKUS. /* */ /* */So I don't think we should hold our breath waiting for Bevan Morris or John Hagelin or King Tony Nader to come rushing in to support the person Nabby is speaking about and certify or authorize his supposed enlightenment. Not gonna happen. /* */ /* */Therefore his claim is -- and shall remain -- just that, a claim. /* */ /* */Furthermore, it's a claim that NO ONE believes. But that's NOT because of any generalized anger and resentment about the concept of enlightenment itself, or an equally generalized lack of belief that anyone, anywhere can attain it. /* */And I can prove it. /* */ /* */All you have to do is compare the person Nabby is talking about to, say, Adyashanti, a person who *also* claims to be enlightened. LOTS of people seem to believe Adyashanti. He's got a whole *movement* full of people who follow him and buy his books and attend meetings with him because they believe he is enlightened. /* */ /* */So clearly the person Nabby is talking about on this forum does not have the same level of believability as Adyashanti. Heck, he doesn't have the same level of believability as Bill Cosby. /* */ /* */So can you say, Nice straw man argument, Nabby? I think you can. /* */ /* */Better luck next time... :-)/*
Re: [FairfieldLife] It's All About Barry, was A new definition of Do less but accomplish more
Richard, you say you want to discuss your own cognitive dissonance (CD) and
beliefs, but then you brought up turq's! I gotta say, that brought up some CD
for me big time (-:
From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
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On 11/23/2014 8:26 PM, anartaxius wrote:
Were I to characterise Barry, I would say he is a terrorist in Beliefland. A
belief is the pretence you know something you do not know, an opinion, an idea
not supported by facts, unlike an informed belief which is more of an
hypothesis that can stand additional testing. Like balloons floating in Disney
World, mere beliefs, even if tightly held, are airy ideas that have no
substance, and Barry is the pin that attempts to pop the pretence.
It is difficult for Barry, or anyone else, to teach others how to abandon
their beliefs if they themselves have deep-seated beliefs of their own which
conflict with their own pedagogy. We all have beliefs and we all have an ego
that we protect. The problem with this teaching style is that it is easy to
lapse into hypocrisy.
My style of teaching is similar to Barry's - every statement, when taken to
extremes, will be found to be self-contradictory. The difference being that I
want to talk about my own cognitive dissonance and beliefs.
For example, a pretense that he witnessed Rama levitate up off of a sofa
hundreds of times, is an easy target because it is obviously contrary to common
sense, science and even to his own teaching. It was false on it's face and a
mistake. Even more so when he is attempting to rid others of their beliefs! In
fact, this sort of claim is almost pure self-deception.
To be confronted with one's own cognitive dissonance, at least for Barry,
seems to be the most terrifying threat possible - to the point that he seems to
be almost unable to discuss it with anyone. Barry is the loose pin that
unraveled due to his own hubris. Go figure.
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[FairfieldLife] It's All About Barry, was I have blocked all the members of the MGC on my email
So, it's all about Barry. On 7/15/2014 7:18 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: It reminded me of a little kid, trying desperately to sound all grown up. I replied, after he slipped up, after just two or three days, that he needed to develop the self-control, of a six year old. As we can see from this morning, so far, no dice. Maybe he will go after Ann, next.
[FairfieldLife] It's All About Barry, was I have blocked all the members of the MGC on my email
On 7/15/2014 7:18 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: It reminded me of a little kid, trying desperately to sound all grown up. He's probably over sixty by now. He's been posting messages on the internet since at least 1995. Sometimes his messages are about what he is currently doing and thinking. Sometimes he writes about the mechanics of consciousness. I've been replying to his messages since at least 1999. Apparently he likes his words to be published so people can read them. However, the part about blocking some informants is kind of strange, since you he probably reads every single message using Yahoo! Neo - that's what obsessives do - but sometimes they won't admit it. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to.
[FairfieldLife] It's All About Barry, was I have blocked all the members of the MGC on my email
On 7/15/2014 7:18 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I replied, after he slipped up, after just two or three days, that he needed to develop the self-control, of a six year old. Or, at least a fifth-grader. This is what happens to some people on internet discussion groups when they get really involved in social media - they lose self control. You need to understand that people like Barry, having been a military brat, probably knows hundreds, if not thousands of people from all his travels all over the world. If he is like me, he has a notebook with all their names he's collected since grade school andis friends with them on Facebook or Google+. Sometimes there is a really tight bonding between some of the brats. For example, I still communicate with my first High School girlfriend, although we are both married now and miles apart. Not to mention family members. Some people don't keep in touch at all. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] It's All About Barry, was I have blocked all the members of the MGC on my email
On 7/15/2014 7:18 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: As we can see from this morning, so far, no dice. Maybe he will go after Ann, next. Barry has already gone after Ann. But, if Barry blocks you using his email client, you should probably be grateful, since Barry is just about the last person on this list you'd want to discuss anything about being on a spiritual path. You don't seem to have anything in common with Barry, but now that Judy is gone missing, maybe Barry would make a good foil - it works for me. One of the advantages his blocking your mail is that you don't have to worry about what you say about him, since ostensibly he will never read it. Barry is a closet TB - he really believes he saw Rama levitate - it's a kind of dissociative identity disorder caused by being in a trance-induction state for so many years. Some people are very susceptible to suggestion. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] It's all about Barry watching GLEE TV
You could have saved yourself a lot of trouble by just posting I had nothing better to do this morning so I watched Glee on TV - all suck and I hate you - it's raining outside now and I have to go to work 9-5 with idiots at the office so I can pay the rent. LoL! On 8/7/2013 1:57 AM, turquoiseb wrote: Well said, salyavin. As for me, this morning I was at home in my apartment in Paris, waiting for the torrential rain to let up enough so that I can run to the Metro and go to work, and while waiting began to surf the TV channels and found a show actually being broadcast in English. I had heard of it before, because it's mentioned so often on Huffpost and on other social media outlets, but I had never seen it before. Now that I have finally seen Glee, I am convinced that it's pretty much the perfect metaphor not only for Fairfield Life, but for the fantasy projected lifestyle that many have come to believe is their real lifestyle. I mean, the basic metaphor is an American high school. That's pretty much synonymous with superficiality, self-absorption, and lack of contact with reality, right? It's rife with drama queens, real queens, cliques, mean girl clubs, poseurs, and idiots who believe they're geniuses. If you live in the US and haven't seen it, I think you'd find it *remarkably* reminiscent of Fairfield Life. And possibly life in Fairfield itself. Where else, after all, could you find a bunch of people ecstatic that the rules have been lifted and now they can spend as much time as they want ragging on the people they don't like, the ones not cool enough to be in their club? Only on FFL, and GLEE. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: [...] That's the thing that TBs never seem to realize about their dreams of an Age Of Enlightenment -- how BORING it would be. Do you really believe that things would be boring if everyone meditated? Things would be exactly the same if everyone meditated. Look at this place, look at the TMO. I think the point is that *if* you got your dreamed of AoE you wouldn't have any of the fun, rows and scandals that seem such a motiff around here and in the wider movement. I mean, I'd expect fewer crimes and such, but look at the famous people who have been meditating for 40 years: are they boring? The only one I can think of is Lynch and I would definitely say his career has been sinking to ever more anodyne lows as the years go by. The rest of the long termers, Bevan etc, don't strike me as embodying any values I would have associated with enlightenment before I actually knew what the score was. I suspect you have an idea of what the AoE would be like but keep getting it confused with mundane reality. That's the TMOs bad, it keeps up the myth of a perfect life for all but has yet to deliver even a glimpse for us to get excited over, seems like it's all dogma to me - get the east facing house, eat the right food, pay for the yagyas, get to the dome twice a day and voila! Or not... Creating a situation where you operate at lower stress-levels shouldn't make a lick of difference as to how interesting or uninteresting people find you unless it is the self-destructive impulses due to stress that people are finding interesting. This is often the way with music and art. And war has always been the biggest motivator of industry, do you think we would have got to the moon without the Rusky threat, no chance. Forget Mars, and Jeebus, in what way would people spending 4 hours a day in the dome make them more likely to build huge rockets. It gives you *less* time to do stuff, the accomplish more thing is a joke isn't it? DO you think that the existence of crime and war in the world make the world a more interesting place to live? What if we used those same resources to go to Mars or devise a better educational system, or a better Internet? Wouldn't the world be at least as interesting in that situation? It would be interesting to live in a fantasy world yes. But I don't see any great discoveries coming from meditators, unless I missed something, I think TM - fundamentally - don't do jack shit, you are either a great thinker to start with, or you aren't. Would Einstein have discovered things quicker if he spent 20x20 in a trance? We'll never know but we can be sure that if he got brainwashed by the reesh he would have made as many wild unprovable and speculative claims about physics as certain other scientists I could mention. 50 years of meditation has failed *utterly* in this regard. Hagelin has *not* finished Einstein's work. L
[FairfieldLife] It's All About Barry
I know him a lot longer than many of you do here... Buck: Yep, you people hijacked what was a perfectly good subject and drove it off in to the ditch, again. Yep, it's all about Barry - he wants it that way, Buck. LoL! Barry gives us something to talk about - to keep the dialog going. I've been one of the Turq's biggest fans sine the old days with the 'Ass Hole Nick', over on Usenet back in 1996. Apparently there are zero TMer discussion groups in Paris, France. So, figure. This from the Radiance List: http://radiancetx.org/ 'The 20 Best Small Towns to Visit in 2013' Fairfield: http://tinyurl.com/d38395u SNIP
