[FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield#39;s future?
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Actually they'd probably agree, thinking that rounding is the BEST thing they can do! That is my point Share. And why would they think that? Because there is nothing else pressing in their lives that they would like to do better. Hence, the conclusion that their personal interests and pursuits are limited when it comes to career, time spent with family or outside interests or passions. Get it now? On Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:14 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: Nicely put. It reminds me of something I wanted to say about awoelflebater's post on another thread (power naps): Now, these long-term, incessant meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes.: We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm! What I have a problem with is not the genuine monks or contemplatives (and I think true Holy men and women with a one-pointed desire to live their lives in spiritual contemplation and prayer are very few and far between) who sit for hours day in and day out meditating, chanting, reflecting, reading etc. but these psuedo/faux contemplatives who live in places like FF and live otherwise normal western lives shopping at their Walmarts and driving their Subaru's are somehow in the same league. Sorry, I've been around the MIU campus and seen the various participants of Mother Divine or what-have-you and I'm stickin' to my guns in my estimation that most of these serial meditators have nothin' better to do. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: [Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ]
[FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield#39;s future?
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Ann, I think that the rounders have done what we all do. They have chosen activities that they think are most worthwhile given that we all have limited time. Is there an echo in here or do you just feel like repeating what I am saying - as if we are somehow in disagreement? YES SHARE, THESE ROUNDERS ARE ROUNDING HAPPILY AWAY BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING ELSE. On Friday, October 18, 2013 8:17 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Actually they'd probably agree, thinking that rounding is the BEST thing they can do! That is my point Share. And why would they think that? Because there is nothing else pressing in their lives that they would like to do better. Hence, the conclusion that their personal interests and pursuits are limited when it comes to career, time spent with family or outside interests or passions. Get it now? On Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:14 AM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: Nicely put. It reminds me of something I wanted to say about awoelflebater's post on another thread (power naps): Now, these long-term, incessant meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes.: We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm! What I have a problem with is not the genuine monks or contemplatives (and I think true Holy men and women with a one-pointed desire to live their lives in spiritual contemplation and prayer are very few and far between) who sit for hours day in and day out meditating, chanting, reflecting, reading etc. but these psuedo/faux contemplatives who live in places like FF and live otherwise normal western lives shopping at their Walmarts and driving their Subaru's are somehow in the same league. Sorry, I've been around the MIU campus and seen the various participants of Mother Divine or what-have-you and I'm stickin' to my guns in my estimation that most of these serial meditators have nothin' better to do. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: [Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ]
[FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield#39;s future?
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: Nicely put. It reminds me of something I wanted to say about awoelflebater's post on another thread (power naps): Now, these long-term, incessant meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes.: We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm! What I have a problem with is not the genuine monks or contemplatives (and I think true Holy men and women with a one-pointed desire to live their lives in spiritual contemplation and prayer are very few and far between) who sit for hours day in and day out meditating, chanting, reflecting, reading etc. but these psuedo/faux contemplatives who live in places like FF and live otherwise normal western lives shopping at their Walmarts and driving their Subaru's are somehow in the same league. Sorry, I've been around the MIU campus and seen the various participants of Mother Divine or what-have-you and I'm stickin' to my guns in my estimation that most of these serial meditators have nothin' better to do. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: [Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ]
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield#39;s future?
Thank you for that additional information, Share. I have always loved formulas, or relationships expressed mathematically. They serve as an awesome foundation for further questions. I'll have to look for what you mentioned, in Maharishi's translation of the BG. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Doc, I think it's very cool how you've applied this to technology and possible futures. And it's fascinating in comparison to Maharishi's 1971 audio tape Overcoming Problems in which he explains that the 15 fundamental problems of life found in Chapter 2 of the Gita can be generated by combining the 3 gunas with the 5 mahabhutas. He actually begins to list them on the tape: a sattvic problem in prithivi; a sattvic problem in jala; a sattvic problem in tejas. Since prithivi or earth would be considered tamasic, it's interesting that in this context he does combine sattwa and tamas. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 5:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future? Yes, and also remember in the Gita, that there are just four valid combinations, of the three gunas (sattva, rajas, and tamas), out of a possible six. From the bottom: TR, RT, RS, and SR, with TS and ST not possible. So, given that the current trend (last 3,000 years, or so) seems to be technical advancement, as a result of war - the TR, and RT combos, there must also be a way to advance technically, without war, hence the RS, and SR combinations. That means, theoretically, anyway, killing, even expressed as The Song Of God, is not always physically necessary. Tamas, in the RT and TR combinations, is like water on the gears of manifestation, Rajas, and begins to slow momentum quickly, through rust. Sattva, in the RS and SR combinations, is like oil. It lowers friction, and speeds progress. In terms of here, that means that if human consciousness can be shifted from a Tamasic motive force, to a Sattvic one, we can continue to progress, with our modern conveniences, and technical advances, without quickly, or slowly, blowing ourselves up. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Pretty much guaranteed with that kind of mindset. Share wrote: And Doc, let us not forget that the Gita occurs on a battlefield with Lord Krishna exhorting Arjuna not only to fight, but to kill! Convinces me even further that this planet is designed for mixing light and dark.
RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield#39;s future?
Right, that is the clarity needed to see the combinations of the gunas, in activity. The underlying mechanics. Collectively, we've added a lot of rajas, and now sattva. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Doc, in Chap 4, vs 35 of the Gita, Maharishi explains that there is delusion in the state of tamas which is overcome by increasing rajas; delusion in the state of rajas is overcome by an increase of sattwa; but delusion in the state of sattwa, which is Arjuna's situation, can only be overcome by transcending the field of the 3 gunas. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:12 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future? Thank you for that additional information, Share. I have always loved formulas, or relationships expressed mathematically. They serve as an awesome foundation for further questions. I'll have to look for what you mentioned, in Maharishi's translation of the BG. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Doc, I think it's very cool how you've applied this to technology and possible futures. And it's fascinating in comparison to Maharishi's 1971 audio tape Overcoming Problems in which he explains that the 15 fundamental problems of life found in Chapter 2 of the Gita can be generated by combining the 3 gunas with the 5 mahabhutas. He actually begins to list them on the tape: a sattvic problem in prithivi; a sattvic problem in jala; a sattvic problem in tejas. Since prithivi or earth would be considered tamasic, it's interesting that in this context he does combine sattwa and tamas. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 5:16 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield's future? Yes, and also remember in the Gita, that there are just four valid combinations, of the three gunas (sattva, rajas, and tamas), out of a possible six. From the bottom: TR, RT, RS, and SR, with TS and ST not possible. So, given that the current trend (last 3,000 years, or so) seems to be technical advancement, as a result of war - the TR, and RT combos, there must also be a way to advance technically, without war, hence the RS, and SR combinations. That means, theoretically, anyway, killing, even expressed as The Song Of God, is not always physically necessary. Tamas, in the RT and TR combinations, is like water on the gears of manifestation, Rajas, and begins to slow momentum quickly, through rust. Sattva, in the RS and SR combinations, is like oil. It lowers friction, and speeds progress. In terms of here, that means that if human consciousness can be shifted from a Tamasic motive force, to a Sattvic one, we can continue to progress, with our modern conveniences, and technical advances, without quickly, or slowly, blowing ourselves up. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Pretty much guaranteed with that kind of mindset. Share wrote: And Doc, let us not forget that the Gita occurs on a battlefield with Lord Krishna exhorting Arjuna not only to fight, but to kill! Convinces me even further that this planet is designed for mixing light and dark.
[FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield#39;s future?
[Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ] ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: In a coming future, meditating Fairfield, Iowa very likely shall also come to be on the National Registry of Historic Places along with other important spiritual practice communities of American and Western history. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Going forward meditating Fairfield, Iowa is blazing still its contemporary and revolutionary commentary on 21st Century materialism and spiritual and religious American community. Jai Brahmananda Saraswati! -Buck, in the Dome ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, meditating Fairfield as a spiritual practice community was never conceived an amusement park. Even right now it is a living artifact of 20th Century American spiritual experience and community. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Feste37 makes a very important distinction here. Fairfield clearly is even now a historic American pietist spiritual practice community rooted in the practices of Quietism. -Buck Feste37 writes, “Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy.” ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Fairfield is not a theme park, dummy. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/ http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/10/04/holy-land-usa-before-after-the-abandoned-christian-theme-park/
[FairfieldLife] RE: A vision of Fairfield#39;s future?
Nicely put. It reminds me of something I wanted to say about awoelflebater's post on another thread (power naps): Now, these long-term, incessant meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes.: We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm! ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: [Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ]
