Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology in the New Testament
John, I still a bit perplexed about why jyotish calls the Moon the significator of the mind, rather than Mercury. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:10 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Share, Pisces is a dual sign and is watery by astrological definition. If the Moon is placed here, the Moon becomes more sensitive since the Moon is already wavering and watery by nature. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBgamp;list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology in the New Testament
I don't think John meant the moon signified the mind, rather the moon in Pieces affects the mind (like all of the other signs affect each other as a composite whole) in an emotional, imaginative way depending on the aspects and other indicators. Moon in Pieces makes one very sensitive, perhaps too much depending on the other aspects. FWIW ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: John, I still a bit perplexed about why jyotish calls the Moon the significator of the mind, rather than Mercury. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:10 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Share, Pisces is a dual sign and is watery by astrological definition. If the Moon is placed here, the Moon becomes more sensitive since the Moon is already wavering and watery by nature. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBgamp;list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBglist=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
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I think moon in Pieces would make us all extremely sensitive, BillyG. I mean, unless we've been taking First Quarter and Third Quarter literally... (Sorry, couldn't resist that one.) BillyG wrote: I don't think John meant the moon signified the mind, rather the moon in Pieces affects the mind (like all of the other signs affect each other as a composite whole) in an emotional, imaginative way depending on the aspects and other indicators. Moon in Pieces makes one very sensitive, perhaps too much depending on the other aspects. FWIW
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wgm, I've heard or read several jyotishi refer to the Moon as mind. But maybe they meant manos and Mercury signifies buddhi, intellect? On Monday, November 4, 2013 12:58 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: I think moon in Pieces would make us all extremely sensitive, BillyG. I mean, unless we've been taking First Quarter and Third Quarter literally... (Sorry, couldn't resist that one.) BillyG wrote: I don't think John meant the moon signified the mind, rather the moon in Pieces affects the mind (like all of the other signs affect each other as a composite whole) in an emotional, imaginative way depending on the aspects and other indicators. Moon in Pieces makes one very sensitive, perhaps too much depending on the other aspects. FWIW
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wgm, I've heard or read several jyotishis say that Moon signifies mind. Maybe they mean manos and Mercury is buddhi, intellect? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I don't think John meant the moon signified the mind, rather the moon in Pieces affects the mind (like all of the other signs affect each other as a composite whole) in an emotional, imaginative way depending on the aspects and other indicators. Moon in Pieces makes one very sensitive, perhaps too much depending on the other aspects. FWIW ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: John, I still a bit perplexed about why jyotish calls the Moon the significator of the mind, rather than Mercury. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:10 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Share, Pisces is a dual sign and is watery by astrological definition. If the Moon is placed here, the Moon becomes more sensitive since the Moon is already wavering and watery by nature. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBgamp;list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBglist=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
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Here Share is an answer; I googled it. Although I know nothing of jyotish astrology, it speaks to your question. One of the confusing things in Vedic Astrology is how two planets, the Moon and Mercury, are both said to signify the Mind. The way this happens is that the Rational Intellect gets assigned to Mercury, while everything else having to do with Mind gets given to the Moon http://www.livingskillfully.com/moon.html http://www.livingskillfully.com/moon.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: wgm, I've heard or read several jyotishis say that Moon signifies mind. Maybe they mean manos and Mercury is buddhi, intellect? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I don't think John meant the moon signified the mind, rather the moon in Pieces affects the mind (like all of the other signs affect each other as a composite whole) in an emotional, imaginative way depending on the aspects and other indicators. Moon in Pieces makes one very sensitive, perhaps too much depending on the other aspects. FWIW ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: John, I still a bit perplexed about why jyotish calls the Moon the significator of the mind, rather than Mercury. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:10 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Share, Pisces is a dual sign and is watery by astrological definition. If the Moon is placed here, the Moon becomes more sensitive since the Moon is already wavering and watery by nature. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBgamp;list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBglist=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
[FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology in the New Testament
Share and Billy, In jyotish and western astrology, the Moon is the significator of the mind and emotions since the Moon is the quickest moving object in the skies. It is also associated with Soma, the mother and the ocean tides. In vedic literature, Soma is the plant that provided bliss in the mind. And, the Moon is the ruler of Cancer, the fourth house from Aries, which pertains to the mother (the one who cares and nurtures us), and inward feelings of the chest. Further, the cycle of the Moon affects the tides of the oceans, and the menstrual cycles and emotions of females. Hence, in combining all of these factors, the Moon is the natural significator for the mind and emotions. On the other hand, Mercury, in jyotish, represents logic and reasoning. The sanskrit word for Mercury is the Buddha which signifies the intelligence in human beings. In Greek and Roman mythology, Mercury or Hermes is associated with speed in delivering the message. Thus, a person with a strong Mercury in the chart will be excellent in his or her speaking, writing, and reasoning skills. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: I don't think John meant the moon signified the mind, rather the moon in Pieces affects the mind (like all of the other signs affect each other as a composite whole) in an emotional, imaginative way depending on the aspects and other indicators. Moon in Pieces makes one very sensitive, perhaps too much depending on the other aspects. FWIW ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: John, I still a bit perplexed about why jyotish calls the Moon the significator of the mind, rather than Mercury. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:10 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Share, Pisces is a dual sign and is watery by astrological definition. If the Moon is placed here, the Moon becomes more sensitive since the Moon is already wavering and watery by nature. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBgamp;list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBglist=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
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Could be, what does Jyotish say about the moon (Chandra) in particular?, it seems to me Western and Eastern astrology are pretty consistent as to it's peculiar characteristics, per se. Max Heindel used to say the short hour hand of a clock is the Sun, the long minute hand is the Moon, by exactly comparing these movements (of the sun and moon) to the natal and progressed horoscope one can predict the exact moment of an occurrence in one's life. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: wgm, I've heard or read several jyotishis say that Moon signifies mind. Maybe they mean manos and Mercury is buddhi, intellect? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I don't think John meant the moon signified the mind, rather the moon in Pieces affects the mind (like all of the other signs affect each other as a composite whole) in an emotional, imaginative way depending on the aspects and other indicators. Moon in Pieces makes one very sensitive, perhaps too much depending on the other aspects. FWIW ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: John, I still a bit perplexed about why jyotish calls the Moon the significator of the mind, rather than Mercury. On Sunday, November 3, 2013 1:10 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Share, Pisces is a dual sign and is watery by astrological definition. If the Moon is placed here, the Moon becomes more sensitive since the Moon is already wavering and watery by nature. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBgamp;list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBglist=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
[FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology in the New Testament
Share, Pisces is a dual sign and is watery by astrological definition. If the Moon is placed here, the Moon becomes more sensitive since the Moon is already wavering and watery by nature. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBgamp;list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBgamp;list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
[FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology in the New Testament
Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Pedant's Corner: it's not written. It says instead And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger. Imagine Mary straddling a feeding trough to give birth. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBgamp;list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBgamp;list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
[FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology in the New Testament
Seraphita, I believe the point was that Jesus was born in a stable where the animals, the horse and the goat, were sheltered. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Pedant's Corner: it's not written. It says instead And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger. Imagine Mary straddling a feeding trough to give birth. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBgamp;list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBgamp;list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
[FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology in the New Testament
Judy, I would tend to agree with you on this observation. From what I understand, it snows in Bethlehem during the winter months. So, it would not have been practical for the Romans to make the population travel to their tribal homes for a census. Also, astrologically, it can be justified that Jesus was born on September 21 or after, when the Sun is in its fall. Hence, he was born in a stable, a place unsuitable for a human being and for a future King. This would imply that Jesus was born as a Cancer ascendant in jyotish calculation. Why? Because the fourth house, meaning birth home, would be in Libra, the sign where the Sun is debilitated. Also, this ascendant would mean that the 10th house of career or accomplishment is in the sign of Aries, signifying the start of spring or rebirth from the death of the Sun during the winter months. Therefore, it is logical that Jesus would be known in history as the Redeemer who rose from the dead since the Sun (the symbol of Jesus) is exalted in Aries, the start of spring and the renewal of life here on earth. There is more to this subject. But I'll stop here for brevity. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Furthermore, Jesus couldn't have been born any later than September anyway, or the flocks of sheep wouldn't still have been out in the fields (Luke 2:8 http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/24982/eVerseID/24982, And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night). It's pretty well established that by the 4th century CE, the presumptive date of Christ's birth had been moved to December 25 in an attempt to co-opt (or compete with) the Roman solstice festival. Seraphita wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Pedant's Corner: it's not written. It says instead And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger. Imagine Mary straddling a feeding trough to give birth. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Why was it written that Jesus was born in a manger? Because he was born on December 25 which astrologically lies between the signs of Sagittarius, a horse, and Capricorn, the goat. Interesting? Bill Donohue explains more of his observations as follows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBgamp;list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M6j6DwBWBgamp;list=PL4HZ228v9duPReHJuT6prrAUc9BzFEo_t
[FairfieldLife] RE: Astrology in the New Testament
Astrology is outside my field of expertise. (Along with a hell of a lot of other stuff, of course.) But your mentioning the astrological dimension brings up something else I've always felt strongly about. And that is: whoever the people were who wrote the Gospel accounts they were emphatically not the naive peasant/worker types - which is the impression you get from Sunday School - but instead they were well-educated and sophisticated and expected their writings to be read by a similar class of people. Alas, the whole field has been dumbed down - like most of modern education!
