[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: they look like they could be space aliens. What a trip life is. The jackalope is folklore; the chupacabra is a cryptid. The trip is of the imagination, not nature.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter said, But for a guy standing right next to them who's experience is different, Jesus is Lord of the Universe, God incarnate, the Word made flesh. Its all based upon the experienced reality, not the mental concept. Peter, I found this statement very disturbing. This sort of thinking leads to a great deal of delusion. Our experience of reality is completely unreliable. 27 years of meditation has taught me that fact. Our perceptual apparatus (eyes, ears, touch etc.) is flawed. It does not give us a complete picture of the world, it gives us at best a distorted taste of something beyond our selves. Experienced reality is a drama, a fiction, a glimpse of reality. And that's as close to reality as we're ever going to get. And of course our mental concepts are just best attempts to fill in the blanks left by flawed perceptions. Thus, when Billy talks about his opinion of MMY. We understand this is an opinion based on his years with the TMO. I wouldn't bet that's what BillyG understands. It certainly isn't how he stated it; he did so as if it were an established fact. No more or less valid than your opinion. You can not hide behind the veil that somehow you are protected by experienced reality that is of a higher order than your neighbor. Don't think that's what Peter was doing, actually. Rather, it seems to me, he was saying that one person's mental concept (e.g., somebody's definition of the term satguru) doesn't necessarily trump someone else's experiential reality. We have an moral obligation to discern as best as we can with our flawed senses and big brains reality from fiction. This is an important step to our personal evolution. There are many things in life that aren't subject to empirical verification, such as, e.g., the universal lordship of Jesus; or that he *wasn't* the lord of the universe. Likewise for MMY's status--or not--as satguru.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
they look like they could be space aliens. What a trip life is.
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
--that's a good one, Vaj. Or, a Chupacabra will do:
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Chupacabra
- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Vaj vajranatha@ ... wrote:
On Jan 18, 2008, at 2:41 PM, matrixmonitor wrote:
Then, Sheng Yen quotes Chan Master Hhineng: The Dharma is of the
world; enlightenment is not realized apart fromt he world. If one
seeks bodhi [enlightenment] outside the world, it is like searching
for horns on a rabbit.
You mean like a Jackalope?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
--that's a good one, Vaj. Or, a Chupacabra will do: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chupacabra - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 18, 2008, at 2:41 PM, matrixmonitor wrote: Then, Sheng Yen quotes Chan Master Hhineng: The Dharma is of the world; enlightenment is not realized apart fromt he world. If one seeks bodhi [enlightenment] outside the world, it is like searching for horns on a rabbit. You mean like a Jackalope?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
On Jan 18, 2008, at 2:41 PM, matrixmonitor wrote: Then, Sheng Yen quotes Chan Master Hhineng: The Dharma is of the world; enlightenment is not realized apart fromt he world. If one seeks bodhi [enlightenment] outside the world, it is like searching for horns on a rabbit. You mean like a Jackalope?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
---That's right!...for the sake of diversity at least, I'm always fascinated by viewpoints radically different than my own; and although I can grok Christian Fundies quite well, I'm still trying to figure out people who have no interest in mystical/and or Spiritual matters at all. In regard to the truth, Chan Master Sheng Yen in Chan Magazine discusses 4 broad categories of reality: 1. Reality according to worldly consent refers to reality as understood by ordinary beings who understand things based on categorizing and on comm9n sense arising from habit. 2. Reality accepted according to logical reasoning includes: a. truths reachd by experimentation b. truths philosophers reach by ntellectual inquiry c. truths theists reach through contact with a God or gods. d. truths reached through meditation. 3. Reality of cognitive activity purified of the afflictive hindrances, includes a. the truth of the emptiness of self b. the truth of the emptiness of self partially realized by Mahayana noble ones. 4. Reality of cognitive activity purified of the noetic hindrances includes 2 categories: a. reality of a bodhisattva's partial realization of the emptiness of phenomena b. reality of the emptiness of phenomena realized by a completely enlightened Buddha. Then Sheng Yen says: Among the so-called truths in this world, those least able to stand up to testing are the truths of common sense. Sheng Yen basically defines emptiness through negation and goies on to say The ultimte truth in Buddhistm--the realization of the two emptinesses--[i.e. the afflictive hindrances and noetic hindrances related to the emptiness of phenomena]--is beyond mundane phenomena, and beyond description. This truth that is said to be separate from verbalization and conceptualization is the final truth; if we insist on labeling it, we could call it the One True Dharma Realm or Substance-Principle of Suchness. The ultimate reality in Buddhism, though ineffable, is not separate from worldly phenomena. Then, Sheng Yen quotes Chan Master Hhineng: The Dharma is of the world; enlightenment is not realized apart fromt he world. If one seeks bodhi [enlightenment] outside the world, it is like searching for horns on a rabbit. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter said, But for a guy standing right next to them who's experience is different, Jesus is Lord of the Universe, God incarnate, the Word made flesh. Its all based upon the experienced reality, not the mental concept. Peter, I found this statement very disturbing. This sort of thinking leads to a great deal of delusion. Our experience of reality is completely unreliable. 27 years of meditation has taught me that fact. Our perceptual apparatus (eyes, ears, touch etc.) is flawed. It does not give us a complete picture of the world, it gives us at best a distorted taste of something beyond our selves. Experienced reality is a drama, a fiction, a glimpse of reality. And of course our mental concepts are just best attempts to fill in the blanks left by flawed perceptions. Thus, when Billy talks about his opinion of MMY. We understand this is an opinion based on his years with the TMO. No more or less valid than your opinion. You can not hide behind the veil that somehow you are protected by experienced reality that is of a higher order than your neighbor. We have an moral obligation to discern as best as we can with our flawed senses and big brains reality from fiction. This is an important step to our personal evolution. I can assure you that you will not find a hint of reality in any press release. s.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
Peter said, But for a guy standing right next to them who's experience is different, Jesus is Lord of the Universe, God incarnate, the Word made flesh. Its all based upon the experienced reality, not the mental concept. Peter, I found this statement very disturbing. This sort of thinking leads to a great deal of delusion. Our experience of reality is completely unreliable. 27 years of meditation has taught me that fact. Our perceptual apparatus (eyes, ears, touch etc.) is flawed. It does not give us a complete picture of the world, it gives us at best a distorted taste of something beyond our selves. Experienced reality is a drama, a fiction, a glimpse of reality. And of course our mental concepts are just best attempts to fill in the blanks left by flawed perceptions. Thus, when Billy talks about his opinion of MMY. We understand this is an opinion based on his years with the TMO. No more or less valid than your opinion. You can not hide behind the veil that somehow you are protected by experienced reality that is of a higher order than your neighbor. We have an moral obligation to discern as best as we can with our flawed senses and big brains reality from fiction. This is an important step to our personal evolution. I can assure you that you will not find a hint of reality in any press release. s.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, The Secret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even if he's not your master or guru, he deserves our honor and praise during this time of his transition and the classy way he's addressing it. As far as I know MMY has never claimed to be either! Neither a Master OR a Guru, and certainly not a Sat-Guru (true/realized Guru). He was simply a Maharishi or great teacher, don't make him out to be something he isn't or wasn't! If you've benefited from is meditation, fine, be thankful, but don't pigeon hole him into some role he never claimed or was, because you may have thought he should have been this or that. Also, unfortunately, MMY is not the kind of person that would write memoirs and therefore the true MMY will NEVER be known and unfortunately he will take all of that enigma to the grave with him, much to the consternation of many around him, as he could have revealed much about his overall life and the decisions he made and why he made them. As Charlie Lutes use to say...Indians are never long on explanation, they just expect you to follow them, well, we in west like to have reasons. We don't even know if MMY was enlightened and he never deemed it necessary or even helpful to tell us...we just had to plod along with assumptions, year after year after year! Who was the man after all?; one of the most impersonal, calculating spiritual leader I've ever met.maybe he was after all, just a 'great' teacher, a Maharishi!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
As far as I know MMY has never claimed to be either! Neither a Master OR a Guru, and certainly not a Sat-Guru (true/realized Guru). Why not! That doesn't depend upon Maharishi… it depends upon you… it can be that Guru physically doesn't exist… doesn't matter if you are experiencing growth of enlightenment… Surrender and devotion makes Guru real… He was simply a Maharishi or great teacher, don't make him out to be something he isn't or wasn't! If you've benefited from is meditation, fine, be thankful, but don't pigeon hole him into some role he never claimed or was, because you may have thought he should have been this or that. Are you sure that your judgment is competent about what people should feel and think about him? Do you think that Guru is something object-referral? There is story in Shrimad Bhagavat about one avadhut and who his Gurus were.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
On Jan 17, 2008, at 9:17 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Jan 17, 2008, at 7:44 AM, Peter wrote: Who Maharishi is depends upon your direct experience with him. For some he is a sat guru And for others he's a standing guru. Recent reports indicate he is lying down during talks, so wouldn't that make him a lying guru?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
On Jan 17, 2008, at 7:44 AM, Peter wrote: Who Maharishi is depends upon your direct experience with him. For some he is a sat guru And for others he's a standing guru. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
--- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 17, 2008, at 7:44 AM, Peter wrote: Who Maharishi is depends upon your direct experience with him. For some he is a sat guru And for others he's a standing guru. Sal Ding, ding, ding Post of the day (or should it be a stood guru? Hmmm... Writers conference needed) Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
--- BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I know MMY has never claimed to be either! Neither a Master OR a Guru, and certainly not a Sat-Guru (true/realized Guru). Why not! That doesn't depend upon Maharishi it depends upon you it can be that Guru physically doesn't exist doesn't matter if you are experiencing growth of enlightenment Surrender and devotion makes Guru real He was simply a Maharishi or great teacher, don't make him out to be something he isn't or wasn't! If you've benefited from is meditation, fine, be thankful, but don't pigeon hole him into some role he never claimed or was, because you may have thought he should have been this or that. Are you sure that your judgment is competent about what people should feel and think about him? Do you think that Guru is something object-referral? There is story in Shrimad Bhagavat about one avadhut and who his Gurus were. For Zoran and Peter: The *specific* meaning of a Satguru! Satguru or Sadguru means true guru. (Sanskrit #2360;#2342;#2327;#2369;#2352;#2370; sat=true), literally: true teacher. The title means that his students have faith that the guru can be trusted and will lead them to moksha, enlightenment or inner peace.[citation needed] It is based on a long line of Hindu philosophical understandings of the importance of knowledge and that the teacher, guru, is the sacred conduit to self-realization. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sat_Guru Billy, you miss our point. The reality of what MMY is ,is based upon your experience of him, not some sort of consensual, objective reality that we all agree upon. That objective, consensual reality is just a label to soothe the mind. For example, I'm sure there were many people who experienced Jesus to be a complete asshole. Look at that fuckin' Jesus, what a tool! For them, he was a fraud, a joke. That is their experiential reality of him and for them, he is a fraud. But for a guy standing right next to them who's experience is different, Jesus is Lord of the Universe, God incarnate, the Word made flesh. Its all based upon the experienced reality, not the mental concept. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I know MMY has never claimed to be either! Neither a Master OR a Guru, and certainly not a Sat-Guru (true/realized Guru). Why not! That doesn't depend upon Maharishi it depends upon you it can be that Guru physically doesn't exist doesn't matter if you are experiencing growth of enlightenment Surrender and devotion makes Guru real He was simply a Maharishi or great teacher, don't make him out to be something he isn't or wasn't! If you've benefited from is meditation, fine, be thankful, but don't pigeon hole him into some role he never claimed or was, because you may have thought he should have been this or that. Are you sure that your judgment is competent about what people should feel and think about him? Do you think that Guru is something object-referral? There is story in Shrimad Bhagavat about one avadhut and who his Gurus were. For Zoran and Peter: The *specific* meaning of a Satguru! Satguru or Sadguru means true guru. (Sanskrit #2360;#2342;#2327;#2369;#2352;#2370; sat=true), literally: true teacher. The title means that his students have faith that the guru can be trusted and will lead them to moksha, enlightenment or inner peace.[citation needed] It is based on a long line of Hindu philosophical understandings of the importance of knowledge and that the teacher, guru, is the sacred conduit to self-realization. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sat_Guru
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
Salutations to you, Sage, Kindly tell us what guru has given you the great knowledge which has made you perfect in wisdom, full of peace, and devoted to the good of all living beings. The Avadhut anwered: One's own Self is one's chief Guru. By knowledge of Self [in] communion one gets the great bliss. The Avadhut did not learn from one particular source, but from many teachers, or gurus. He then mentioned twenty-four of them, including *Water, the earth, the wind, space, the moon, the sun, the sea, and the arrow-maker...* **http://oaks.nvg.org/pv6bk7.html 2008/1/17, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I know MMY has never claimed to be either! Neither a Master OR a Guru, and certainly not a Sat-Guru (true/realized Guru). Why not! That doesn't depend upon Maharishi… it depends upon you… it can be that Guru physically doesn't exist… doesn't matter if you are experiencing growth of enlightenment… Surrender and devotion makes Guru real… He was simply a Maharishi or great teacher, don't make him out to be something he isn't or wasn't! If you've benefited from is meditation, fine, be thankful, but don't pigeon hole him into some role he never claimed or was, because you may have thought he should have been this or that. Are you sure that your judgment is competent about what people should feel and think about him? Do you think that Guru is something object-referral? There is story in Shrimad Bhagavat about one avadhut and who his Gurus were. For Zoran and Peter: The *specific* meaning of a Satguru! Satguru or Sadguru means true guru. (Sanskrit #2360;#2342;#2327;#2369;#2352;#2370; sat=true), literally: true teacher. The title means that his students have faith that the guru can be trusted and will lead them to moksha, enlightenment or inner peace.[citation needed] It is based on a long line of Hindu philosophical understandings of the importance of knowledge and that the teacher, guru, is the sacred conduit to self-realization. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sat_Guru
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
--- BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, The Secret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even if he's not your master or guru, he deserves our honor and praise during this time of his transition and the classy way he's addressing it. As far as I know MMY has never claimed to be either! Neither a Master OR a Guru, and certainly not a Sat-Guru (true/realized Guru). He was simply a Maharishi or great teacher, don't make him out to be something he isn't or wasn't! If you've benefited from is meditation, fine, be thankful, but don't pigeon hole him into some role he never claimed or was, because you may have thought he should have been this or that. Who Maharishi is depends upon your direct experience with him. For some he is a sat guru, for others he is a great teacher, for others he is a demon, for others a fraud. Its all based on experience. Pure concepts and labels are useless here. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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IS THERE ANY VERIFICATION TO THE RUMOR THAT MAHARISHI AS LEFT THE BODY? - Original Message From: BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:15:12 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, The Secret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even if he's not your master or guru, he deserves our honor and praise during this time of his transition and the classy way he's addressing it. As far as I know MMY has never claimed to be either! Neither a Master OR a Guru, and certainly not a Sat-Guru (true/realized Guru). He was simply a Maharishi or great teacher, don't make him out to be something he isn't or wasn't! If you've benefited from is meditation, fine, be thankful, but don't pigeon hole him into some role he never claimed or was, because you may have thought he should have been this or that. Also, unfortunately, MMY is not the kind of person that would write memoirs and therefore the true MMY will NEVER be known and unfortunately he will take all of that enigma to the grave with him, much to the consternation of many around him, as he could have revealed much about his overall life and the decisions he made and why he made them. As Charlie Lutes use to say...Indians are never long on explanation, they just expect you to follow them, well, we in west like to have reasons. We don't even know if MMY was enlightened and he never deemed it necessary or even helpful to tell us...we just had to plod along with assumptions, year after year after year! Who was the man after all?; one of the most impersonal, calculating spiritual leader I've ever met.maybe he was after all, just a 'great' teacher, a Maharishi! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Louis McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IS THERE ANY VERIFICATION TO THE RUMOR THAT MAHARISHI AS LEFT THE BODY? Louis: Elvis has not left the building, I repeat: Elvis has not left the building.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Louis McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IS THERE ANY VERIFICATION TO THE RUMOR THAT MAHARISHI AS LEFT THE BODY? Louis, The rumor of which you speak was at its height for a few hours on Jan. 12th, when MMY missed his own birthday party. But since Jan. 12th, all agree that although frail, MMY is still alive. You wrote to FFL twice on Jan. 13th, both times mentioning how much MMY has meant to you. He is still alive.He is still alive.He is still alive. - Original Message From: BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:15:12 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, The Secret L.Shaddai@ wrote: Even if he's not your master or guru, he deserves our honor and praise during this time of his transition and the classy way he's addressing it. As far as I know MMY has never claimed to be either! Neither a Master OR a Guru, and certainly not a Sat-Guru (true/realized Guru). He was simply a Maharishi or great teacher, don't make him out to be something he isn't or wasn't! If you've benefited from is meditation, fine, be thankful, but don't pigeon hole him into some role he never claimed or was, because you may have thought he should have been this or that. Also, unfortunately, MMY is not the kind of person that would write memoirs and therefore the true MMY will NEVER be known and unfortunately he will take all of that enigma to the grave with him, much to the consternation of many around him, as he could have revealed much about his overall life and the decisions he made and why he made them. As Charlie Lutes use to say...Indians are never long on explanation, they just expect you to follow them, well, we in west like to have reasons. We don't even know if MMY was enlightened and he never deemed it necessary or even helpful to tell us...we just had to plod along with assumptions, year after year after year! Who was the man after all?; one of the most impersonal, calculating spiritual leader I've ever met.maybe he was after all, just a 'great' teacher, a Maharishi! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
THANKS VERY MUCH I hope that if and when he does make some transition it is shared and I can see it or reaction to.. - Original Message From: mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:52:29 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Louis McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IS THERE ANY VERIFICATION TO THE RUMOR THAT MAHARISHI AS LEFT THE BODY? Louis, The rumor of which you speak was at its height for a few hours on Jan. 12th, when MMY missed his own birthday party. But since Jan. 12th, all agree that although frail, MMY is still alive. You wrote to FFL twice on Jan. 13th, both times mentioning how much MMY has meant to you. He is still alive.He is still alive.He is still alive. - Original Message From: BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:15:12 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, The Secret L.Shaddai@ wrote: Even if he's not your master or guru, he deserves our honor and praise during this time of his transition and the classy way he's addressing it. As far as I know MMY has never claimed to be either! Neither a Master OR a Guru, and certainly not a Sat-Guru (true/realized Guru). He was simply a Maharishi or great teacher, don't make him out to be something he isn't or wasn't! If you've benefited from is meditation, fine, be thankful, but don't pigeon hole him into some role he never claimed or was, because you may have thought he should have been this or that. Also, unfortunately, MMY is not the kind of person that would write memoirs and therefore the true MMY will NEVER be known and unfortunately he will take all of that enigma to the grave with him, much to the consternation of many around him, as he could have revealed much about his overall life and the decisions he made and why he made them. As Charlie Lutes use to say...Indians are never long on explanation, they just expect you to follow them, well, we in west like to have reasons. We don't even know if MMY was enlightened and he never deemed it necessary or even helpful to tell us...we just had to plod along with assumptions, year after year after year! Who was the man after all?; one of the most impersonal, calculating spiritual leader I've ever met.maybe he was after all, just a 'great' teacher, a Maharishi! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
Maharishi lives for a short time only unless he does one of his all too common turnabouts. Don't worry about him being in pain. The way he chose to leave makes the endorphins really kick in. It's a painless way of passing as there is less attention paid to one's body. Just honor the man for now and the classy way he decided to leave the stage and eventually his body. The hierarchy is in place but out of honor and even a time of silence for a lot of us, the new theocracy is not intruding upon us right now. When Maharishi passes, we'll know. Either in our being, by being summoned to a special meeting or by visiting CNN.com, NYTimes.com, BBC.com . Now please let us go about our business but a bit more slowly and silently during these final times of a great man. Hate him for his misdeeds or love and adore him, it matters not. He's without a doubt a great man who is leaving a great legacy so please join us in honoring him as he passes. Grown. When I googled Maharishi Mahesh Yogi news to see if anything not Movement oriented was posed, I came upon an advert for http://knappfamilycounseling.com/cults.html , a guy who helps you get over leaving a cult. I wonder if Bobby Kennedy, who leaves right after first round for the cafeteria to struggle with tubs of food belongs to a cult. I can place my attention into a cat and see and feel and enjoy someone stroking us, but this is a place I don't want to go. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Louis McKenzie ltm457@ wrote: IS THERE ANY VERIFICATION TO THE RUMOR THAT MAHARISHI AS LEFT THE BODY? Louis, The rumor of which you speak was at its height for a few hours on Jan. 12th, when MMY missed his own birthday party. But since Jan. 12th, all agree that although frail, MMY is still alive. You wrote to FFL twice on Jan. 13th, both times mentioning how much MMY has meant to you. He is still alive.He is still alive.He is still alive.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
Wow. After a long hiatus from FFL it's good to see we have the same consensus as we used to have. Except now it's all so very funny because God has a glorious sense of humor and at times I get the joke. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tertonzeno tertonzeno@ wrote: ---No - he's only accomplished 2% of what Guru Dev wanted for the world. Add two zeros to that 2% and you have Maharishis accomplishment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tertonzeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---No - he's only accomplished 2% of what Guru Dev wanted for the world. Add two zeros to that 2% and you have Maharishis accomplishment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tertonzeno tertonzeno@ wrote: ---No - he's only accomplished 2% of what Guru Dev wanted for the world. Add two zeros to that 2% and you have Maharishis accomplishment. Maybe in a few individuals that's true, but certainly not the world. And if you're *really* trying to say it includes the whole world, Mr. Nablusoss, you're totally bananas.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Work is Finished, kind of reminded me of one of the versions of Christ's last words on the cross, It is finished. Which is probably more apt in this situation! :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: Dear Fellow Governors, Sidhas and Meditators of America, As many of you have certainly heard, our beloved Maharishi has announced that he is retiring from activity. Our great Maharishi, Jagadguru to the world, whose tireless efforts for more than 50 years have transformed the destiny of the human race, is, of necessity, retiring from his constant exertion on our behalf and on behalf of the entire world. I'm struck by the phrase of necessity. Seems to me it was put in to confirm what most of us suspect, that MMY has become too frail, and almost certainly too ill, to do much of anything but rest. It's not MMY's choice, in other words. Unless I've missed something, this is the only official assertion to this effect that we've seen so far. One can only hope he's relatively comfortable and not in pain. I believe he is in great pain. I sense it. It's obvious when he speaks. I also sense little strokes going on. But this has been going on for a decade at least. I am deeply honored by the way this man has chosen to go into the final silence. I am honored to be where I am, doing what I'm doing during this wonderous time. All will be revealed soon. We have entered a period of honoring this great man (even those of us who didn't think he was great before, we are humbled by his final actions) and we calculate the days. Don't worry, just adore. Even if he's not your master or guru, he deserves our honor and praise during this time of his transition and the classy way he's addressing it. If you follow a religion which has a rite of passage into silence, now might be a good time.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
--- The Secret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: Dear Fellow Governors, Sidhas and Meditators of America, As many of you have certainly heard, our beloved Maharishi has announced that he is retiring from activity. Our great Maharishi, Jagadguru to the world, whose tireless efforts for more than 50 years have transformed the destiny of the human race, is, of necessity, retiring from his constant exertion on our behalf and on behalf of the entire world. I'm struck by the phrase of necessity. Seems to me it was put in to confirm what most of us suspect, that MMY has become too frail, and almost certainly too ill, to do much of anything but rest. It's not MMY's choice, in other words. Unless I've missed something, this is the only official assertion to this effect that we've seen so far. One can only hope he's relatively comfortable and not in pain. I believe he is in great pain. I sense it. It's obvious when he speaks. I also sense little strokes going on. But this has been going on for a decade at least. I am deeply honored by the way this man has chosen to go into the final silence. I am honored to be where I am, doing what I'm doing during this wonderous time. All will be revealed soon. We have entered a period of honoring this great man (even those of us who didn't think he was great before, we are humbled by his final actions) and we calculate the days. Don't worry, just adore. Even if he's not your master or guru, he deserves our honor and praise during this time of his transition and the classy way he's addressing it. If you follow a religion which has a rite of passage into silence, now might be a good time. Okay To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fellow Governors, Sidhas and Meditators of America, As many of you have certainly heard, our beloved Maharishi has announced that he is retiring from activity. Our great Maharishi, Jagadguru to the world, whose tireless efforts for more than 50 years have transformed the destiny of the human race, is, of necessity, retiring from his constant exertion on our behalf and on behalf of the entire world. I'm struck by the phrase of necessity. Seems to me it was put in to confirm what most of us suspect, that MMY has become too frail, and almost certainly too ill, to do much of anything but rest. It's not MMY's choice, in other words. Unless I've missed something, this is the only official assertion to this effect that we've seen so far. One can only hope he's relatively comfortable and not in pain.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: Dear Fellow Governors, Sidhas and Meditators of America, As many of you have certainly heard, our beloved Maharishi has announced that he is retiring from activity. Our great Maharishi, Jagadguru to the world, whose tireless efforts for more than 50 years have transformed the destiny of the human race, is, of necessity, retiring from his constant exertion on our behalf and on behalf of the entire world. I'm struck by the phrase of necessity. Seems to me it was put in to confirm what most of us suspect, that MMY has become too frail, and almost certainly too ill, to do much of anything but rest. It's not MMY's choice, in other words. Unless I've missed something, this is the only official assertion to this effect that we've seen so far. One can only hope he's relatively comfortable and not in pain. Of course he's not in pain, come on Judy, he's just a whisker away from MahaSamadhi(even though MMY has NEVER (to my knowledge) admitted what state of consciousness he was in, if he were in constant communion with the divine he would have said so!) No, no, all of this is strictly voluntary, he really accomplished all he set out to, and more...brother!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
Apparently Maharishi is Guru to the world, just not with individuals --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fellow Governors, Sidhas and Meditators of America, As many of you have certainly heard, our beloved Maharishi has announced that he is retiring from activity. Our great Maharishi, Jagadguru to the world, whose tireless efforts for more than 50 years have transformed the destiny of the human race, is, of necessity, retiring from his constant exertion on our behalf and on behalf of the entire world. One week ago, on the evening of January 8, in reviewing the progress of his global Movement and surveying the growing signs of peace in the world, Maharishi declared, Invincibility is irreversibly established in the world. My work is done. My designated duty to Guru Dev is fulfilled. He resolved to use all his remaining time to complete his commentary on the Veda. We must all join together in rejoicing with Maharishi in his supreme accomplishment of the agesthe complete transformation of the world from the depths of ignorance and suffering of Kali Yuga to the perpetual sunshine of Sat Yugathe rule of Natural Law, the Will of God, on Earth. Of course, the very thought of Maharishi retiring from constantly showering us with his precious knowledge and exquisite spiritual and practical guidance is overwhelming. There are no words to describe the deep sense of loss that we all naturally feel. Fortunately, and of great solace, Maharishi has given us everything we need to achieve perfection in lifeto realize the Supremeand to ensure his legacy of a world completely beyond the reach of sufferingHeaven on Earth. Maharishi has made our task simpleto use what he has given us to achieve the permanent transformation of life on Earth. Precious Moment in Our Lives This is a very precious and delicate time of transformation for ourselves, our Movement, and the entire human race. Now is the time to reflect deeply on what is truly important. Until now, we have all had the feeling, to some extent, that Maharishi would take care of everything, that Maharishi was organizing everythingwhich he truly was. Maharishi would, with or without our help, achieve his precious goals for humankind. Now, with Maharishi's declaration, that time has ended. Maharishi has bestowed upon us the leadership of his Movement. We must, all of us, take ownership of it. He has handed to us the reins of destiny for the human race. We must take hold of those reins. Each and every one of us has a vital role to play. For those who live in Fairfield and Maharishi Vedic City, your primary role is creating coherence in the Domes. This is crucial for the safety and security of our nationand indeed for the success of our every Movement initiative. For those who are not yet Yogic Flyers, it means becoming a Sidha and doing the longest program possible. This is the time for the MUM community to pull together and rededicate itself to the permanence of the historic community we have builtthe community which is the cornerstone of Maharishi's legacy for America and, to a large extent, for the entire world. For all our other dear Governors and Sidhas throughout the country, your contribution will be to create coherence locally and to play a vital role in supporting and promoting Maharishi's precious knowledge and programs in your area (see below). For our Meditators, I urge you to learn the most advanced and powerful techniques Maharishi has given us, especially Yogic Flying, so that you can accelerate your own growth to enlightenment and contribute most powerfully to the peace and invincibility of our nation. New Leadership for America Prior to Maharishi's retirement, he put into place a very powerful leadership structure for our nation and the world. At the global level, this leadership begins with Maharaja Nader Raam, who most perfectly embodies Maharishi's infinite silence, and whose awareness is so profoundly anchored to Being that he will be a pure and steady guide for our administration of the world. Our Global Prime Minister, Dr. Bevan Morris, is unparalleled in this world for his profound dedication and command of Maharishi's knowledge, and for his extraordinary leadership and organizing ability. And the 12 Global Ministers and the 27 Rajas, whom Maharishi has carefully trained, collectively provide an invincible global leadership for Maharishi's worldwide Movement. At the national level, I was recently blessed by Maharishi with the privilege of serving as the Raja of Invincible America. I have thereby committed my life and my energy to the fulfillment of Maharishi's supreme vision for our nation. Fortunately, I am supported by the most brilliant and dynamic team of national directors the U.S. Movement has ever seen. I am excited about this new leadership, and will be
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
---No - he's only accomplished 2% of what Guru Dev wanted for the world. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: Dear Fellow Governors, Sidhas and Meditators of America, As many of you have certainly heard, our beloved Maharishi has announced that he is retiring from activity. Our great Maharishi, Jagadguru to the world, whose tireless efforts for more than 50 years have transformed the destiny of the human race, is, of necessity, retiring from his constant exertion on our behalf and on behalf of the entire world. I'm struck by the phrase of necessity. Seems to me it was put in to confirm what most of us suspect, that MMY has become too frail, and almost certainly too ill, to do much of anything but rest. It's not MMY's choice, in other words. Unless I've missed something, this is the only official assertion to this effect that we've seen so far. One can only hope he's relatively comfortable and not in pain. Of course he's not in pain, come on Judy, he's just a whisker away from MahaSamadhi(even though MMY has NEVER (to my knowledge) admitted what state of consciousness he was in, if he were in constant communion with the divine he would have said so!) No, no, all of this is strictly voluntary, he really accomplished all he set out to, and more...brother!!
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Maharishi Says: Work is Finished'
Work is Finished, kind of reminded me of one of the versions of Christ's last words on the cross, It is finished. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently Maharishi is Guru to the world, just not with individuals --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: Dear Fellow Governors, Sidhas and Meditators of America, As many of you have certainly heard, our beloved Maharishi has announced that he is retiring from activity. Our great Maharishi, Jagadguru to the world, whose tireless efforts for more than 50 years have transformed the destiny of the human race, is, of necessity, retiring from his constant exertion on our behalf and on behalf of the entire world. One week ago, on the evening of January 8, in reviewing the progress of his global Movement and surveying the growing signs of peace in the world, Maharishi declared, Invincibility is irreversibly established in the world. My work is done. My designated duty to Guru Dev is fulfilled. He resolved to use all his remaining time to complete his commentary on the Veda. We must all join together in rejoicing with Maharishi in his supreme accomplishment of the agesthe complete transformation of the world from the depths of ignorance and suffering of Kali Yuga to the perpetual sunshine of Sat Yugathe rule of Natural Law, the Will of God, on Earth. Of course, the very thought of Maharishi retiring from constantly showering us with his precious knowledge and exquisite spiritual and practical guidance is overwhelming. There are no words to describe the deep sense of loss that we all naturally feel. Fortunately, and of great solace, Maharishi has given us everything we need to achieve perfection in lifeto realize the Supremeand to ensure his legacy of a world completely beyond the reach of sufferingHeaven on Earth. Maharishi has made our task simpleto use what he has given us to achieve the permanent transformation of life on Earth. Precious Moment in Our Lives This is a very precious and delicate time of transformation for ourselves, our Movement, and the entire human race. Now is the time to reflect deeply on what is truly important. Until now, we have all had the feeling, to some extent, that Maharishi would take care of everything, that Maharishi was organizing everythingwhich he truly was. Maharishi would, with or without our help, achieve his precious goals for humankind. Now, with Maharishi's declaration, that time has ended. Maharishi has bestowed upon us the leadership of his Movement. We must, all of us, take ownership of it. He has handed to us the reins of destiny for the human race. We must take hold of those reins. Each and every one of us has a vital role to play. For those who live in Fairfield and Maharishi Vedic City, your primary role is creating coherence in the Domes. This is crucial for the safety and security of our nationand indeed for the success of our every Movement initiative. For those who are not yet Yogic Flyers, it means becoming a Sidha and doing the longest program possible. This is the time for the MUM community to pull together and rededicate itself to the permanence of the historic community we have builtthe community which is the cornerstone of Maharishi's legacy for America and, to a large extent, for the entire world. For all our other dear Governors and Sidhas throughout the country, your contribution will be to create coherence locally and to play a vital role in supporting and promoting Maharishi's precious knowledge and programs in your area (see below). For our Meditators, I urge you to learn the most advanced and powerful techniques Maharishi has given us, especially Yogic Flying, so that you can accelerate your own growth to enlightenment and contribute most powerfully to the peace and invincibility of our nation. New Leadership for America Prior to Maharishi's retirement, he put into place a very powerful leadership structure for our nation and the world. At the global level, this leadership begins with Maharaja Nader Raam, who most perfectly embodies Maharishi's infinite silence, and whose awareness is so profoundly anchored to Being that he will be a pure and steady guide for our administration of the world. Our Global Prime Minister, Dr. Bevan Morris, is unparalleled in this world for his profound dedication and command of Maharishi's knowledge, and for his extraordinary leadership and organizing ability. And the 12 Global Ministers and the 27 Rajas, whom Maharishi has carefully trained, collectively provide an invincible global leadership for Maharishi's worldwide Movement. At the national level, I was recently blessed by Maharishi with the privilege of serving as the Raja of Invincible America. I have
