[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama arrives in war zone'

2008-07-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What they should do, is create a bunch of firewalled
 Second LIfe islands ala what IBM does for its secure
 corporate meetings and have daily face to face (virtual)
 meetings (that will almost certainly happen within a 
 few years for national-level campaigns).

I've never understood the fascination that
some people have with virtual worlds. Don't
these people have real lives? Don't they *like*
their real lives?

JOOC, what does your avatar look like in Second
Life, Lawson? Does it look like you look in real
life? 

In the only one of these silly places I ever
played with (I got bored within a week), I made 
a 3D avatar of myself, from photos. It seemed 
the only honest thing to do, since the world 
was populated with gay guys with the avatars of 
buxsome babes and skinny wimps with avatars that 
looked like Ahnold and fat guys with avatars that 
looked like Brad Pitt and nerds who have trouble 
lifting a mouse wielding big broadswords.

What IS the fascination you see with this
virtual world stuff, eh? It seems to me that
existing conference software with TV cameras
would be a great deal more effective (and more
sane and safer than for the world) than a bunch 
of guys and gals having meetings while pretend-
ing to be Superman and Wonder Woman.





[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama arrives in war zone'

2008-07-20 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
 
  What they should do, is create a bunch of firewalled
  Second LIfe islands ala what IBM does for its secure
  corporate meetings and have daily face to face (virtual)
  meetings (that will almost certainly happen within a 
  few years for national-level campaigns).
 
 I've never understood the fascination that
 some people have with virtual worlds. Don't
 these people have real lives? Don't they *like*
 their real lives?
 
 JOOC, what does your avatar look like in Second
 Life, Lawson? Does it look like you look in real
 life? 
 

PRetty much, except the hair is longer, the fat less obvious (hard to gt
extreme obesity right). 

 In the only one of these silly places I ever
 played with (I got bored within a week), I made 
 a 3D avatar of myself, from photos. It seemed 
 the only honest thing to do, since the world 
 was populated with gay guys with the avatars of 
 buxsome babes and skinny wimps with avatars that 
 looked like Ahnold and fat guys with avatars that 
 looked like Brad Pitt and nerds who have trouble 
 lifting a mouse wielding big broadswords.
 

Eh, if play is all you intend, instead of serious work 
or whatever, I can see it as being boring. 


 What IS the fascination you see with this
 virtual world stuff, eh? It seems to me that
 existing conference software with TV cameras
 would be a great deal more effective (and more
 sane and safer than for the world) than a bunch 
 of guys and gals having meetings while pretend-
 ing to be Superman and Wonder Woman.


Why safer? But in fact, it's often easier to relate to a cartoon
than a RL person over video, and it's certainly more entertaining
to attend meetings with rodent supermodels, plants, and glowing
blobs of light.

And it's way cheaper than video conferencing hardware, and
you can attend a relatively secure text-based meeting anywhere
there is an internet connection (https) and still have some 3D 
representation to relate to of whomever you are communicating with.


Not to mention, you can establish friendships, collaborations, etc.,
far easier than using simple text-chat or even voice, and you can 
conduct VR interviews with an amazing array of guests which can be
broadcast within the virtual world, as well as podcast to the rest of the
internet.

I attend software and technical meetings in Second Life with members
of the Linden Lab technical team and other programmers from around 
the USA and around the world on a daily basis. I've attend (virtually),
lectures by Eben Mogeln, former counsel for the Foundation for 
Software Freedom,and author of the GLPv3., and will likely be attending
seminars on intellectual property in virtual worlds that he plans on giving
later this year.

I know educators who specialize in distance learning, who are using 
virtual worlds with great effectiveness. I know severely brain-damaged
individuals who are able to function reasonably well within virtual worlds
--infact, Japanese rsearchers have developed EEG input machines (one
toy version was mentioned here I think), to allow completely paralyzed
patients to interact in Second Life and establish new hobbies and make
friends while still tied to their hospital beds.

My current job, I got through networking inside a virtual world and I know
musicians who are too shy to perform in public who do just fine performing
in virtual worlds.

Other than that and a few 10's of thousands of other activities that I know 
people indulge in (besides cybersex), I guess you're correct, IBM wasted 
millions of dollars on creating their own extension to SL to allow all their 
employees to meet in virtual worlds,  and we're all wasting our time with this 
worthless technology.


Certainly Richard Stallman thinks you're correct. That's why I was able to have 
a 
conversation with him about GPL issues on a forum dedicated to Second Life
programming: none of hte techno-geeks (like Alan Kay or Grady Booch) would
ever dream of creating their own software for VR or avatars to roam inside one.

Instead, I should pay attention to what world famous techno-geeks like yourself
are doing, since none of the guys and gals  involved in virtual worlds right 
now 
have ever accomplished anything of note, like, you know, creating software 
paradigms that define the computer industry (Alan Kay and Object Oriented 
programming) or creating the original spreadsheet software (like Mitch Kapor,
of Lotus, and member of the board of directors (former head) of LInden Lab)
 or who are helping to  define an industry expected to involve up to two 
billion  
people worldwide within 20 years.

Or, to put it in a nutshell: I have no reason to be involved because obviously
virtual worlds aren't the wave of the future--Uncle Barry says so.

Lawson












[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama arrives in war zone'

2008-07-19 Thread sgrayatlarge
I'm more interested in listening than doing a lot of talking,

That's a good strategy for him, since he tends to get way off 
message without a teleprompter.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — Democratic presidential contender Barack
 Obama arrived in Afghanistan on Saturday, the first stop on a
 campaign-season tour of war zones, a spokesman said.Less than
 four months before the general election, Obama's first visit to
 Afghanistan, with a subsequent stop in Iraq, was rich with 
political
 implications, although the Illinois senator flew as part of an 
official
 congressional delegation.Rival John McCain has criticized Obama
 for his lack of time in the region, and the Republican National
 Committee had a running ticker tallying the more than 900 days 
since
 his last visit to Iraq.Spokesman Robert Gibbs said Obama arrived 
in Kabul early Saturday.I
 look forward to seeing what the situation on the ground is, Obama 
told
 a pair of reporters who accompanied him to his departure from 
Andrews
 Air Force Base on Thursday.I want to, obviously, talk to the
 commanders and get a sense both in Afghanistan and in Baghdad of, 
you
 know, what the most, their biggest concerns are, and I want to 
thank
 our troops for the heroic work that they've been doing, he said 
before
 his flight overseas.Obama advocates ending the U.S. combat role
 in Iraq by withdrawing troops at the rate of one to two combat 
brigades
 a month. But he supports increasing the military commitment to
 Afghanistan, where the Taliban has been resurgent and Osama bin 
laden
 is believed to be hiding.On his trip, Obama intends to meet with
 Hamid Karzai, the Afghan president. He recently chided Karzai and 
his
 government, saying it had not gotten out of the bunker and 
helped to
 organize the country or its political and security 
institutions.Also
 on his itinerary is a meeting with Nouri al-Maliki, the Iraqi 
leader.
 On the campaign trail, Obama has said one benefit of withdrawing 
U.S.
 troops is that it would pressure al-Maliki to shore up his 
government
 as well.Nonetheless, he said he did not plan to reiterate those 
messages in person.I'm
 more interested in listening than doing a lot of talking, and I 
think
 it's very important to recognize that I'm going over there as a 
U.S.
 senator, he said. We have one president at a time.In a speech 
this week, Obama said the war in Iraq was a distraction, unlike the 
fighting in Afghanistan.This
 is a war that we have to win, he said. I will send at least two
 additional combat brigades to Afghanistan, and use this commitment 
to
 seek greater contributions — with fewer restrictions — from NATO 
allies.I
 will focus on training Afghan security forces and supporting an 
Afghan
 judiciary, with more resources and incentives for American 
officers who
 perform these missions.By contrast, his opposition to the war
 in Iraq — and call for an end to the U.S. combat role — helped him
 overcome his rivals in the battle for the Democratic presidential
 nomination.Lately, his efforts to explain how he will use what
 he learns from U.S. commanders to refine his proposals have brought
 charges from Republicans and complaints from Democratic liberals 
that
 he seems to be shifting his Iraq policy toward the political 
center.
 But Obama maintains his basic goal of ending the U.S. combat role 
soon
 remains unchanged and that he's always said the U.S. withdrawal 
must be
 done carefully.Obama also arranged to visit Jordan, Israel,
 Germany, France and England, traveling aboard a jet chartered by 
his
 presidential campaign, before his return to the United States. The
 weeklong trip marks his only foreign excursion as a presidential
 candidate; McCain has visited Canada, Colombia and Mexico, in part 
to
 highlight Obama's opposition to trade deals with those 
allies.Obama began his trip with as much secrecy as a presumed 
presidential nominee can muster.The
 senator took an unmarked, corporate Gulfstream-III jet, much 
smaller
 than his normal campaign plane, from Chicago to Washington. He was
 joined by his Secret Service detail, spokeswoman Linda Douglass 
and two
 reporters.Obama deplaned at Reagan National Airport in
 Washington, took one question apiece from the reporters, and then 
his
 motorcade departed for a hasty ride to Andrews Air Force Base 
about 10
 miles away in Maryland.Upon his arrival, Obama was greeted by a
 group of Air Force personnel at the bottom of stairs leading to the
 military Boeing 737 transporting his congressional delegation. 
Obama's
 traveling companions, Sens. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., and Jack Reed, 
R.I.,
 were not visible to the reporters, but Douglass confirmed they were
 already on board the aircraft.Both senators, each a veteran,
 have been mentioned as potential Obama vice presidential running 
mates,
 but Reed has said he's not interested in the job.Few citizens in
 impoverished Afghanistan were aware of 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama arrives in war zone'

2008-07-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm more interested in listening than doing a lot of talking,
 
 That's a good strategy for him, since he tends to get way off 
 message without a teleprompter.

Sometimes even *with* a teleprompter.

His most recent gaffe, in a speech in Lafayette, Indiana,
on July 16:

Throughout our history, America's confronted constantly
evolving danger, from the oppression of an empire, to the
lawlessness of the frontier, from the bomb that fell on
Pearl Harbor, to the threat of nuclear annihilation.
Americans have adapted to the threats posed by an ever-
changing world. 

Guy was *raised* in Honolulu...




[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama arrives in war zone'

2008-07-19 Thread curtisdeltablues
 Throughout our history, America's confronted constantly
 evolving danger, from the oppression of an empire, to the
 lawlessness of the frontier, from the bomb that fell on
 Pearl Harbor, to the threat of nuclear annihilation.
 Americans have adapted to the threats posed by an ever-
 changing world. 
 
 Guy was *raised* in Honolulu...


I don't get it, he should have said bombs?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote:
 
  I'm more interested in listening than doing a lot of talking,
  
  That's a good strategy for him, since he tends to get way off 
  message without a teleprompter.
 
 Sometimes even *with* a teleprompter.
 
 His most recent gaffe, in a speech in Lafayette, Indiana,
 on July 16:
 
 Throughout our history, America's confronted constantly
 evolving danger, from the oppression of an empire, to the
 lawlessness of the frontier, from the bomb that fell on
 Pearl Harbor, to the threat of nuclear annihilation.
 Americans have adapted to the threats posed by an ever-
 changing world. 
 
 Guy was *raised* in Honolulu...





[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama arrives in war zone'

2008-07-19 Thread sgrayatlarge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

You aren't with it if your middle name isn't Hussein-

Article from Michael Medved:

Barack Obama isn't just conducting a political campaign; he's 
launching his very own religious cult-

Under the headline Obama Supporters Take His Name as Their Own, 
the New York Times reported on a bizarre fad among the candidate's 
enraptured acolytes: across the country, they've begun adopting his 
middle name, Hussein. The result is a group of unlikely sounding 
Husseins, writes reporter Jodi Kantor, from Jaime Hussein Alvarez 
of Washington, D.C., to Kelly Hussein Crowley of Norman, Oklahoma, 
to Sarah Beth Hussein Frumkin of Chicago. 

One of the key elements in many religious cults involves a name 
change – like transitioning from Richard Alpert to Baba Ram Dass, or 
from Malcolm Little to Malcolm X. To Obama's true-believers, adding 
an Islamic middle name is a small price to pay for connecting with a 
candidate who qualifies as a lightworker and an enlightened 
being, according to San Francisco Chronicle columnist Mark Morford. 

Many spiritually advanced people I know, he writes, identify 
Obama as a Lightworker, the rare kind of attuned being who has the 
ability to lead us not merely to new foreign policies or health care 
plans or whatnot, but who can actually help usher in a new way of 
being on the planet, of relating and connecting and engaging with 
this bizarre earthly experiment. These kinds of people actually help 
us evolve. They are philosophers and peacemakers of a very high 
order, and they speak not just to reason or emotion, but to the 
soul. (Italics in the original) .



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ 
wrote:
 
  I'm more interested in listening than doing a lot of talking,
  
  That's a good strategy for him, since he tends to get way off 
  message without a teleprompter.
 
 Sometimes even *with* a teleprompter.
 
 His most recent gaffe, in a speech in Lafayette, Indiana,
 on July 16:
 
 Throughout our history, America's confronted constantly
 evolving danger, from the oppression of an empire, to the
 lawlessness of the frontier, from the bomb that fell on
 Pearl Harbor, to the threat of nuclear annihilation.
 Americans have adapted to the threats posed by an ever-
 changing world. 
 
 Guy was *raised* in Honolulu...





[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama arrives in war zone'

2008-07-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Throughout our history, America's confronted constantly
  evolving danger, from the oppression of an empire, to the
  lawlessness of the frontier, from the bomb that fell on
  Pearl Harbor, to the threat of nuclear annihilation.
  Americans have adapted to the threats posed by an ever-
  changing world. 
  
  Guy was *raised* in Honolulu...
 
 I don't get it, he should have said bombs?

Yep. Not earthshaking, any more than his reference
to the 57 states and other similar gaffes, but
he does make a lot of 'em.




[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama arrives in war zone'

2008-07-19 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
   Throughout our history, America's confronted constantly
   evolving danger, from the oppression of an empire, to the
   lawlessness of the frontier, from the bomb that fell on
   Pearl Harbor, to the threat of nuclear annihilation.
   Americans have adapted to the threats posed by an ever-
   changing world. 
   
   Guy was *raised* in Honolulu...
  
  I don't get it, he should have said bombs?
 
 Yep. Not earthshaking, any more than his reference
 to the 57 states and other similar gaffes, but
 he does make a lot of 'em.


I was thinking about my impression of Obama yesterday while driving
home (its amazing, in the middle of a city, I have (one of several)
routes home through farmers, cow pastures and horse ranches).  

As with all my thoughts, I realize they may be shaped by submerged
nasty alligators (see adjacent post), I like that he appears
reflective. And appears to kick an idea around inside -- and responds
from a larger set of considerations and perspectives than many. 

Funny scene to me -- GWB inside BHO's mind WTF -- what are ALL these
things??!  

He seems smart. Hillary and others are smart, but in a more clever,
calculating way. BHO (any relation to HBO?) seems to have a (much)
broader perspective, and not the well honed knee-jerks that many
politicians have to many issues. 

And a great contrast to McCain, who has morphed from a sort of
interesting, maverick, straight-talker in 2000, to a (poor)
tele-prompter reader of scripts written by (bad, rigid, dogmatic part
and portion of) conservative right,  and evangelistic non-thinkers.

In a rapidly changing world, I don't think pat old answers to old
conditions (some quite poor answers even then) hold much of a candle
to anyone who can kick an idea around inside -- and responds from a
larger set of considerations and perspectives. 

YMMV



[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama arrives in war zone'

2008-07-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
 You aren't with it if your middle name isn't Hussein-

You know, this doesn't really bother me. What they're
doing is a sort of *hommage* to the mass I am Spartacus
declarations in the Kirk Douglas movie (I'd be very
surprised if Medved, a movie critic, doesn't realize
this; for him not to point it out is a bit, um,
disingenuous).

The whole light-worker mentality, on the other hand,
creeps me out big-time.



[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama arrives in war zone'

2008-07-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 He seems smart. Hillary and others are smart, but in a more
 clever, calculating way. BHO (any relation to HBO?) seems to
 have a (much) broader perspective, and not the well honed
 knee-jerks that many politicians have to many issues.

Some of us get the impression that while his perspective
may be broad, it ain't all that deep.



[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama arrives in war zone'

2008-07-19 Thread sgrayatlarge
-and responds from a
 larger set of considerations and perspectives.

The reason why he kicks around ideas and responds from a larger set 
of considerations is because he needs time for his 300 plus advisors 
to formulate the correct idea for him.



-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
Throughout our history, America's confronted constantly
evolving danger, from the oppression of an empire, to the
lawlessness of the frontier, from the bomb that fell on
Pearl Harbor, to the threat of nuclear annihilation.
Americans have adapted to the threats posed by an ever-
changing world. 

Guy was *raised* in Honolulu...
   
   I don't get it, he should have said bombs?
  
  Yep. Not earthshaking, any more than his reference
  to the 57 states and other similar gaffes, but
  he does make a lot of 'em.
 
 
 I was thinking about my impression of Obama yesterday while driving
 home (its amazing, in the middle of a city, I have (one of several)
 routes home through farmers, cow pastures and horse ranches).  
 
 As with all my thoughts, I realize they may be shaped by submerged
 nasty alligators (see adjacent post), I like that he appears
 reflective. And appears to kick an idea around inside -- and 
responds
 from a larger set of considerations and perspectives than many. 
 
 Funny scene to me -- GWB inside BHO's mind WTF -- what are ALL 
these
 things??!  
 
 He seems smart. Hillary and others are smart, but in a more clever,
 calculating way. BHO (any relation to HBO?) seems to have a (much)
 broader perspective, and not the well honed knee-jerks that many
 politicians have to many issues. 
 
 And a great contrast to McCain, who has morphed from a sort of
 interesting, maverick, straight-talker in 2000, to a (poor)
 tele-prompter reader of scripts written by (bad, rigid, dogmatic 
part
 and portion of) conservative right,  and evangelistic non-thinkers.
 
 In a rapidly changing world, I don't think pat old answers to old
 conditions (some quite poor answers even then) hold much of a 
candle
 to anyone who can kick an idea around inside -- and responds from a
 larger set of considerations and perspectives. 
 
 YMMV





[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama arrives in war zone'

2008-07-19 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote:
 snip
  He seems smart. Hillary and others are smart, but in a more
  clever, calculating way. BHO (any relation to HBO?) seems to
  have a (much) broader perspective, and not the well honed
  knee-jerks that many politicians have to many issues.
 
 Some of us get the impression that while his perspective
 may be broad, it ain't all that deep.


Time will tell. I agree the jury is still out. And often, IMO, there
is great hope with new emergent candidates who arrive on the scene,
somewhat unknown. For example, there was great hope an potential
promise when Jimmy Carter, JFK, Reagan to a degree, and even GWB
arrived in the presidential sweepstakes. And often the sizzle was
bigger than the stake. (I mean steak, :) -- but stake through the
heart captures some of the thought)

Still, being a romantic and optimist it appears, I have hope for BHO. 
(Hope -- what a concept --  some candidate ought to capitalize on that.)







[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama arrives in war zone'

2008-07-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 -and responds from a
  larger set of considerations and perspectives.
 
 The reason why he kicks around ideas and responds from a larger
 set of considerations is because he needs time for his 300 plus 
 advisors to formulate the correct idea for him.

And that's just his *foreign policy* advisors.




[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama arrives in war zone'

2008-07-19 Thread R.G.
 (snip)
  You aren't with it if your middle name isn't Hussein-
 (snip)
I spoke to some arab dudes about the name 'Hussein'...
Whether it was some kind of title or something.
They told me it means: 'beaufiful'...like in beautiful man...
That type of thing.
Yeah, those 'light workers' really stir up those 'dark workers' don't 
they?...
R.G.



[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama arrives in war zone'

2008-07-19 Thread R.G.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote:
 
  -and responds from a
   larger set of considerations and perspectives.
  
  The reason why he kicks around ideas and responds from a larger
  set of considerations is because he needs time for his 300 plus 
  advisors to formulate the correct idea for him.
 
 And that's just his *foreign policy* advisors.

This is why he has so much potential...
Because there is so much energy and intelligence,
Just ready to burst forth, and give new ideas, new directions...
And Senator Obama is an open soul, and ready to recieve;

Unlike the closed minded approach we have been through.
Where you have 'group think' based in Mafia tactics;
And just a handful of people making all the decisions for the rest of 
us...




[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama arrives in war zone'

2008-07-19 Thread okpeachman2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote:
 snip
  He seems smart. Hillary and others are smart, but in a more
  clever, calculating way. BHO (any relation to HBO?) seems to
  have a (much) broader perspective, and not the well honed
  knee-jerks that many politicians have to many issues.
 
 Some of us get the impression that while his perspective
 may be broad, it ain't all that deep.


Translation: Negroes don't feel pain the way the rest of us do.
 



[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama arrives in war zone'

2008-07-19 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote:
 
  -and responds from a
   larger set of considerations and perspectives.
  
  The reason why he kicks around ideas and responds from a larger
  set of considerations is because he needs time for his 300 plus 
  advisors to formulate the correct idea for him.
 
 And that's just his *foreign policy* advisors.



There's probably a private, invitation-only forum/blog that the 300 can argue
foreign policy in and he monitors the conversation.


Lawson



[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama arrives in war zone'

2008-07-19 Thread okpeachman2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote:
 
  -and responds from a
   larger set of considerations and perspectives.
  
  The reason why he kicks around ideas and responds from a larger
  set of considerations is because he needs time for his 300 plus 
  advisors to formulate the correct idea for him.
 
 And that's just his *foreign policy* advisors.


Translation:
 If I could market my Pundit Lawn Jockeys
 in Vedic City, I could afford to get out of 
 this dump on the shore and the festering 
 wounds from flea bites might clear up. 



[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama arrives in war zone'

2008-07-19 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote:
  
   -and responds from a
larger set of considerations and perspectives.
   
   The reason why he kicks around ideas and responds from a larger
   set of considerations is because he needs time for his 300 plus 
   advisors to formulate the correct idea for him.
  
  And that's just his *foreign policy* advisors.
 
 
 
 There's probably a private, invitation-only forum/blog that the 300
can argue
 foreign policy in and he monitors the conversation.
 
 
 Lawson


BHO (too bad his middle name is not Robert or Richard) is the first
real internet prez candidate   -- as perhaps kennedy was the first
television president. In that each was the first to really understand
and own/master the thing. 

Setting up a private blog / chat group for advisors is a wonderful
thing, IMO. Throw out a topic, and have them chew on it from many
angles, from around the world, think along with them, and see what,
and respond to, creatively shape what emerges. Way better than tightly
controlled access to the president. 

Is it true Rick Archer is his secret chat group organizer? And that
BHO regularly reads FFL because, as he says, Theres a lot of
knowledge there.





[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama arrives in war zone'

2008-07-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
   -and responds from a
larger set of considerations and perspectives.
   
   The reason why he kicks around ideas and responds from a
   larger set of considerations is because he needs time for
   his 300 plus advisors to formulate the correct idea for
   him.
  
  And that's just his *foreign policy* advisors.
 
 There's probably a private, invitation-only forum/blog that
 the 300 can argue foreign policy in and he monitors the 
 conversation.

Actually there isn't, and he doesn't. This NY
Times article describes how it works:

http://tinyurl.com/5aksns

Basically, there's a lot of discussion back and
forth via email between individuals. His top
advisers ask for input from selected folks in the
larger group, then discuss it among themselves.

Every day they send Obama a briefing on foreign
affairs and a QA of things he's likely to be asked
about that day with suggested responses.




[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama arrives in war zone'

2008-07-19 Thread sparaig
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-and responds from a
 larger set of considerations and perspectives.

The reason why he kicks around ideas and responds from a
larger set of considerations is because he needs time for
his 300 plus advisors to formulate the correct idea for
him.
   
   And that's just his *foreign policy* advisors.
  
  There's probably a private, invitation-only forum/blog that
  the 300 can argue foreign policy in and he monitors the 
  conversation.
 
 Actually there isn't, and he doesn't. This NY
 Times article describes how it works:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/5aksns
 
 Basically, there's a lot of discussion back and
 forth via email between individuals. His top
 advisers ask for input from selected folks in the
 larger group, then discuss it among themselves.
 
 Every day they send Obama a briefing on foreign
 affairs and a QA of things he's likely to be asked
 about that day with suggested responses.


That seems even more unwieldy than a forum with 
300 participants, but perhaps it has better security.


What they should do, is create a bunch of firewalled
Second LIfe islands ala what IBM does for its secure
corporate meetings and have daily face to face (virtual)
meetings (that will almost certainly happen within a 
few years for national-level campaigns).



Lawson