[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's some more Grand Schemes off the top of my head: Malls of America Grand Scheme Tallest Building Grand Scheme VedaLand Grand Scheme Can anyone add to the list? Maharishi International University Grand Scheme. Maharishi Vidya Mandir Grand Scheme. Maharishi's intent to make TM available all over the world Grand Scheme. Oh, did you only want examples of things you consider to be total failures, or do you consider the above to be total failures as well? Only the last one was a success. And the keyword is was. As in past tense. How many people on the planet learned TM through the TM organization last month? My bet is less than a dozen. If that. I would suspect you to be wrong, but can't prove it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's some more Grand Schemes off the top of my head: Malls of America Grand Scheme Tallest Building Grand Scheme VedaLand Grand Scheme Can anyone add to the list? Maharishi International University Grand Scheme. Maharishi Vidya Mandir Grand Scheme. Maharishi's intent to make TM available all over the world Grand Scheme. Oh, did you only want examples of things you consider to be total failures, or do you consider the above to be total failures as well? Only the last one was a success. And the keyword is was. As in past tense. How many people on the planet learned TM through the TM organization last month? My bet is less than a dozen. If that. I would suspect you to be wrong, but can't prove it. He probably is wrong, but his point is well taken. If it wasn't less than a dozen, it was probably less than 500..and on a planet with 6 billion people, less than a dozen and less than 500 is pretty much the same ballpark... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's some more Grand Schemes off the top of my head: Malls of America Grand Scheme Tallest Building Grand Scheme VedaLand Grand Scheme Can anyone add to the list? Maharishi International University Grand Scheme. Maharishi Vidya Mandir Grand Scheme. Maharishi's intent to make TM available all over the world Grand Scheme. Oh, did you only want examples of things you consider to be total failures, or do you consider the above to be total failures as well? Only the last one was a success. And the keyword is was. As in past tense. How many people on the planet learned TM through the TM organization last month? My bet is less than a dozen. If that. I would suspect you to be wrong, but can't prove it. He probably is wrong, but his point is well taken. If it wasn't less than a dozen, it was probably less than 500..and on a planet with 6 billion people, less than a dozen and less than 500 is pretty much the same ballpark... Currently, MMY appears to be measuring someone's worth according to how much they are willing to donate to the TMO. This may not be the case, or it may not be a good way of looking at the world, but I'm pretty sure that the average person who can shell out $2500 for meditation instruction is more wealthy and more influential than the average person who can shell out $45 for meditation instruction. IOW, those 500 (outside of India, I assume, since every new semester in India likely introduces thousands of students to TM in the Vidya Mandir school system) are NOT in the same ballpark in MMY's eyes as the ones who would learn if TM were still taught at more reasonable rates. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My advice to the independents is to keep alow profile until after MMY dies and see if King Tony changes things a tad. Do you mean that MMY is a hindrance for teaching TM to people? Well, duh. :-) Who has recently decertified all but a handful of his TM teachers and then raised the prices such that the leftover handful can't find anyone to teach? I think you'd have to be an absolute idiot to not view Maharishi as the biggest obstacle to people learning TM. But to think that King Tony is going to change anything is naive. The direction of the movement is set. TM is passé. Never thought of it that way, but that is the practical effect. Control is more important than than the benefits of the technique? Or is it really all about the movement the dollars? The dollars do seem to be the motivating factor. Every new scheme requires more of them, and emphasizes the actual teaching of TM less. The original message of spiritually regenerating the world from the bottom up by teaching people to meditate has clearly been superceded by the message of reconstructing it from the top down via Sthapatya-Veda. We never know how long the latest and greatest Grand Scheme is going to last. Prior to rebuilding the entire world via Vastu, there was Peace Palace Grand Scheme: building several thousand Peace Palaces throughout the world...at about $1 million a Peace Palace, that's about $2-3 billion. I can't remember which came first, but around the time of the Vastu Grand Scheme, there was the $600 billion Agro Grand Scheme. Between Agro and Vastu Grand Schemes there was perhaps a week or so. Between Peace Palace Grand Scheme and either Agro or Vastu Grand Scheme (I can't remember which came first) there was at least a year, no? Here's some more Grand Schemes off the top of my head: Malls of America Grand Scheme Tallest Building Grand Scheme VedaLand Grand Scheme Can anyone add to the list? Maharishi International University Grand Scheme. Maharishi Vidya Mandir Grand Scheme. Maharishi's intent to make TM available all over the world Grand Scheme. Oh, did you only want examples of things you consider to be total failures, or do you consider the above to be total failures as well? Only the last one was a success. MIU was a failure...I'm not sure what vidya Mandir was... In case you haven't noticed, MIU is now called MUM and is still going. That's hardly a failure. Maharishi Vidya Mandir is the elementary/secondary educational system that MMY has set up in India. At least a few of the schools are well-known in India. Oh, and while its possibly difficult to get new enrollees currently, Maharishi School is a sucess by any rational standard. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's some more Grand Schemes off the top of my head: Malls of America Grand Scheme Tallest Building Grand Scheme VedaLand Grand Scheme Can anyone add to the list? Maharishi International University Grand Scheme. Maharishi Vidya Mandir Grand Scheme. Maharishi's intent to make TM available all over the world Grand Scheme. Oh, did you only want examples of things you consider to be total failures, or do you consider the above to be total failures as well? Only the last one was a success. And the keyword is was. As in past tense. How many people on the planet learned TM through the TM organization last month? My bet is less than a dozen. If that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/18/05 4:29:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My advice to the independents is to keep alow profile until after MMY dies and see if King Tony changes things a tad. Do you mean that MMY is a hindrance for teaching TM to people? Well, duh. :-) Who has recently decertified all but a handful of his TM teachers and then raised the prices such that the leftover handful can't find anyone to teach? I think you'd have to be an absolute idiot to not view Maharishi as the biggest obstacle to people learning TM. But to think that King Tony is going to change anything is naive. The direction of the movement is set. TM is passé. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/18/05 4:29:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My advice to the independents is to keep alow profile until after MMY dies and see if King Tony changes things a tad. Do you mean that MMY is a hindrance for teaching TM to people? Well, duh. :-) Who has recently decertified all but a handful of his TM teachers and then raised the prices such that the leftover handful can't find anyone to teach? I think you'd have to be an absolute idiot to not view Maharishi as the biggest obstacle to people learning TM. But to think that King Tony is going to change anything is naive. The direction of the movement is set. TM is passé. TM today is what Yogananda's SRF was when I started meditating in 1973: passe and frequented mostly by little old ladies who discuss Yogananda over tea and crumpets... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingegerd wrote: Things have changed from the first TTC in India and until to- day - also when it comes to signing Agreement Forms. I know TM- Teachers that never signed a paper. The first one that I signed was very simple, 1/2 page I think. And then the forms became more and more complicated where the TMO used Lawyers to design the forms. The last form was on 9 pages, where it is stated that the TMO owns the rights to Maharishi Yajur Veda, Maharishi Dhanur Veda, Maharishi Vaisheshika, Maharishi Vedanta, Maharishi Upanishad, etc. - 36 points - covering every aspect in the Veda. So, if I would like to teach Upanishad - and not Maharishi Upanishad - I break the Agreement Form. Whatever I do according to the Veda - outside the aspects of Maharishi Vedic Science - I could be punished. This is an example of power and control from the side of MMY and his TMO. Transcendental Meditation is just a little bit of the whole thing. Ingegerd I would love to see them take someone to court over that. I doubt if it would even make it into the docket. My Lawyer used exactly the same words I would love to go to the court with this. I did not receive any copies of whatever I had signed. But thanks to my Lawyer I finally got copies. The 1/2 page that I signed on my TTC was also signed by MMY. A very laughable piece of paper. Ingegerd Hi, Ingegerd Is it possible to post a jpg of the 1/2 page agreement. I would love to see it. G TO HIS HOLINESS MAHARISHI MAHESH YOGI It is my privilege, Maharishi, to promise to teach the Principles and Practice of Transcendental Meditation only as a teacher-employee of SRM, or other TM movement front group which accepts me as such; that I will always hold the teaching in trust for you, dear Maharishi, and SRM; that I will never use the teaching except as a teacher in SRM or other organisations founded by you for the purpose of carrying on your work of spreading Transcendental Meditation for the good of Mankind; that as a teacher in SRM. I shall receive such compensation as shall be agreed between myself and SRM, in writing and, except as agreed in writing I expect to receive no monetary compensation but am fully compensated by the love and joy that I receive from the work, by the alleviation of suffering that I may accomplish, and by the Wisdom that I obtain, expound, and cherish. In furtherance of the pledge I acknowledge that prior to receiving the training I had no prior knowledge of such system of Teaching; that there is no other available source where the knowledge of such teaching may be obtained; that such training is secret and unique. I am a link in the chain of organisations that you have founded; and that to retain the purity of the teaching and movement, you have laid down the wise rule that I ever cease to teach in SRM or other organisations founded by you for the purpose of teaching Transcendental Meditation, I may be restrained by appropiate process from using this secret Teaching of Transcendental Meditation imparted to me. It is my fortune, Guru Dev (the Maharishi's dead master) that I have been accepted to serve the Holy Tradition and spread the Light of God to all those who need it. It is my joy to undertake the responsibility of representing the Holy Tradition in all its purity as it has been given to me by Maharishi and I promise on your altar, Guru Dev, that with all my heart and mind I will always work within the framework of the organisations founded by Maharishi. And to you, Maharishi, I promise that as a Meditation Guide I will be faithful in all ways to the trust that you have placed in me. Jai Guru Dev DATED: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi INITIATOR Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/18/05 4:29:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My advice to the independents is to keep alow profile until after MMY dies and see if King Tony changes things a tad. Do you mean that MMY is a hindrance for teaching TM to people? Well, duh. :-) Who has recently decertified all but a handful of his TM teachers and then raised the prices such that the leftover handful can't find anyone to teach? I think you'd have to be an absolute idiot to not view Maharishi as the biggest obstacle to people learning TM. But to think that King Tony is going to change anything is naive. The direction of the movement is set. TM is passé. TM today is what Yogananda's SRF was when I started meditating in 1973: passe and frequented mostly by little old ladies who discuss Yogananda over tea and crumpets... You, and your little old ladies ---. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/18/05 4:29:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My advice to the independents is to keep alow profile until after MMY dies and see if King Tony changes things a tad. Do you mean that MMY is a hindrance for teaching TM to people? Well, duh. :-) Who has recently decertified all but a handful of his TM teachers and then raised the prices such that the leftover handful can't find anyone to teach? I think you'd have to be an absolute idiot to not view Maharishi as the biggest obstacle to people learning TM. But to think that King Tony is going to change anything is naive. The direction of the movement is set. TM is passé. Never thought of it that way, but that is the practical effect. Control is more important than than the benefits of the technique? Or is it really all about the movement the dollars? JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My advice to the independents is to keep alow profile until after MMY dies and see if King Tony changes things a tad. Do you mean that MMY is a hindrance for teaching TM to people? Well, duh. :-) Who has recently decertified all but a handful of his TM teachers and then raised the prices such that the leftover handful can't find anyone to teach? I think you'd have to be an absolute idiot to not view Maharishi as the biggest obstacle to people learning TM. But to think that King Tony is going to change anything is naive. The direction of the movement is set. TM is passé. Never thought of it that way, but that is the practical effect. Control is more important than than the benefits of the technique? Or is it really all about the movement the dollars? The dollars do seem to be the motivating factor. Every new scheme requires more of them, and emphasizes the actual teaching of TM less. The original message of spiritually regenerating the world from the bottom up by teaching people to meditate has clearly been superceded by the message of reconstructing it from the top down via Sthapatya-Veda. We never know how long the latest and greatest Grand Scheme is going to last. This one may not last more than the time it takes to discover that investors are not exactly impressed enough to put their money into a scheme that benefits no one financially except the TM movement (unless you buy the not-exactly-mainstream idea that a few correctly designed buildings in the right places are going to make life better for everyone else). But the trend is clear. No new Grand Scheme in years has emphasized the teaching of TM. They've all been about creating large groups of flyers or large groups of pundits or building new physical structures. I really don't see that changing, even if this latest Grand Scheme goes belly-up tomorrow. I suspect that at this point what one thinks about Maharishi and the future of the TM movement really comes down to a matter of faith. If you believe that he is enlightened, and that the enlightened by definition act in accord with the Laws Of Nature, then you might have some hope for the future of the TMO. If you view him as more of a CEO, formulating business plans for a multimillion- dollar organization and designing Grand Schemes that will determine its future, you might not be convinced that the TMO *has* a future. As with almost everything in the spiritual smorgasbord, your mileage may vary... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It is my fortune, Guru Dev (the Maharishi's dead master) that I have been accepted to serve the Holy Tradition and spread the Light of God to all those who need it Question: did you get this 1/2 page agreement from your attorney or from some anti-TM website? Not that it really matters but I am curious because in the agreement, Guru Dev is referred to as the Maharishi's dead master and I doubt whether (1) the article the would be used to refer to MMY in a TMO document (unless Charlie Lutes wrote it); and (2) Guru Dev would ever be referred to as a dead master in a TMO document. Good catch, Shemp. It almost certainly comes from Trancenet, the parenthetical being John Knapp's cynical editorial interpolation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My advice to the independents is to keep alow profile until after MMY dies and see if King Tony changes things a tad. Do you mean that MMY is a hindrance for teaching TM to people? Well, duh. :-) Who has recently decertified all but a handful of his TM teachers and then raised the prices such that the leftover handful can't find anyone to teach? I think you'd have to be an absolute idiot to not view Maharishi as the biggest obstacle to people learning TM. But to think that King Tony is going to change anything is naive. The direction of the movement is set. TM is passé. Never thought of it that way, but that is the practical effect. Control is more important than than the benefits of the technique? Or is it really all about the movement the dollars? The dollars do seem to be the motivating factor. Every new scheme requires more of them, and emphasizes the actual teaching of TM less. The original message of spiritually regenerating the world from the bottom up by teaching people to meditate has clearly been superceded by the message of reconstructing it from the top down via Sthapatya-Veda. We never know how long the latest and greatest Grand Scheme is going to last. Prior to rebuilding the entire world via Vastu, there was Peace Palace Grand Scheme: building several thousand Peace Palaces throughout the world...at about $1 million a Peace Palace, that's about $2-3 billion. I can't remember which came first, but around the time of the Vastu Grand Scheme, there was the $600 billion Agro Grand Scheme. Between Agro and Vastu Grand Schemes there was perhaps a week or so. Between Peace Palace Grand Scheme and either Agro or Vastu Grand Scheme (I can't remember which came first) there was at least a year, no? Here's some more Grand Schemes off the top of my head: Malls of America Grand Scheme Tallest Building Grand Scheme VedaLand Grand Scheme Can anyone add to the list? This one may not last more than the time it takes to discover that investors are not exactly impressed enough to put their money into a scheme that benefits no one financially except the TM movement (unless you buy the not-exactly-mainstream idea that a few correctly designed buildings in the right places are going to make life better for everyone else). But the trend is clear. No new Grand Scheme in years has emphasized the teaching of TM. They've all been about creating large groups of flyers or large groups of pundits or building new physical structures. I really don't see that changing, even if this latest Grand Scheme goes belly-up tomorrow. I suspect that at this point what one thinks about Maharishi and the future of the TM movement really comes down to a matter of faith. If you believe that he is enlightened, and that the enlightened by definition act in accord with the Laws Of Nature, then you might have some hope for the future of the TMO. If you view him as more of a CEO, formulating business plans for a multimillion- dollar organization and designing Grand Schemes that will determine its future, you might not be convinced that the TMO *has* a future. As with almost everything in the spiritual smorgasbord, your mileage may vary... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
on 8/19/05 12:18 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would love to send all 9 pages on FFL, but I do not have a scanner. If you like I can send it by post. Ingegerd I do, and I have OCR software. If somebody else hasn't already offered to do so, I'll scan it if you send it to me. -- Rick Archer SearchSummit 1108 South B Street Fairfield, IA 52556 Phone: 641-472-9336 Fax: 815-572-5842 http://searchsummit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My advice to the independents is to keep alow profile until after MMY dies and see if King Tony changes things a tad. Do you mean that MMY is a hindrance for teaching TM to people? Well, duh. :-) Who has recently decertified all but a handful of his TM teachers and then raised the prices such that the leftover handful can't find anyone to teach? I think you'd have to be an absolute idiot to not view Maharishi as the biggest obstacle to people learning TM. But to think that King Tony is going to change anything is naive. The direction of the movement is set. TM is passé. Never thought of it that way, but that is the practical effect. Control is more important than than the benefits of the technique? Or is it really all about the movement the dollars? The dollars do seem to be the motivating factor. Every new scheme requires more of them, and emphasizes the actual teaching of TM less. The original message of spiritually regenerating the world from the bottom up by teaching people to meditate has clearly been superceded by the message of reconstructing it from the top down via Sthapatya-Veda. We never know how long the latest and greatest Grand Scheme is going to last. This one may not last more than the time it takes to discover that investors are not exactly impressed enough to put their money into a scheme that benefits no one financially except the TM movement (unless you buy the not-exactly-mainstream idea that a few correctly designed buildings in the right places are going to make life better for everyone else). But the trend is clear. No new Grand Scheme in years has emphasized the teaching of TM. They've all been about creating large groups of flyers or large groups of pundits or building new physical structures. I really don't see that changing, even if this latest Grand Scheme goes belly-up tomorrow. I suspect that at this point what one thinks about Maharishi and the future of the TM movement really comes down to a matter of faith. If you believe that he is enlightened, and that the enlightened by definition act in accord with the Laws Of Nature, then you might have some hope for the future of the TMO. If you view him as more of a CEO, formulating business plans for a multimillion- dollar organization and designing Grand Schemes that will determine its future, you might not be convinced that the TMO *has* a future. As with almost everything in the spiritual smorgasbord, your mileage may vary... I am beginning to think that these actions by the TMO are really meant to fail. They have the effect of lessening the number of people involved making it easier to sell assets, move money and not raise the interest of investigators. Similar tactics are sometimes used to gut a company. They are unique because they also manage to take in the large donations on the way down - think millionaire's courses and raja's...and the viable timespan for a plan is becoming shorter and shorter. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
On Aug 18, 2005, at 4:12 PM, Ingegerd wrote: 12. Until the end of 1971 initiators are not allowed to initiate people in the following professions:- 1.Psycho-analysts, psychologists or any associated profession 2.Those practising hypnotism 3.Those very deeply engrossed in Spiritualism (Healers are not in this category) 4.Priests and ministers of religion. They can only be initiated by Maharishi or someone especially appointed by him to handle these cases. 5.Monks 6.The heads of religious organizations 7.The leaders of philosophical or metaphysical groups Wow, that eliminates a lot of people, including some on this list! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/19/05 12:18 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would love to send all 9 pages on FFL, but I do not have a scanner. If you like I can send it by post. Ingegerd I do, and I have OCR software. If somebody else hasn't already offered to do so, I'll scan it if you send it to me. -- Rick Archer SearchSummit 1108 South B Street Fairfield, IA 52556 Phone: 641-472-9336 Fax: 815-572-5842 I send it to-morrow. Ingegerd http://searchsummit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/18/05 4:29:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My advice to the independents is to keep alow profile until after MMY dies and see if King Tony changes things a tad. Do you mean that MMY is a hindrance for teaching TM to people? Ingegerd I mean that you disagree with MMY's current policies. I kind of think the whole thing will collapse shortly after MMY takes leave. Probably a few will fight over the scraps of what' left while the rest of us sit back and watch the bickering. Sooner or later something may raise up out of the ashes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] It is my fortune, Guru Dev (the Maharishi's dead master) that I have been accepted to serve the Holy Tradition and spread the Light of God to all those who need it. It is my joy to undertake the responsibility of representing the Holy Tradition in all its purity as it has been given to me by Maharishi and I promise on your altar, Guru Dev, that with all my heart and mind I will always work within the framework of the organisations founded by Maharishi. And to you, Maharishi, I promise that as a Meditation Guide I will be faithful in all ways to the trust that you have placed in me. Jai Guru Dev DATED: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi INITIATOR So do you consider this a promise? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My advice to the independents is to keep alow profile until after MMY dies and see if King Tony changes things a tad. Do you mean that MMY is a hindrance for teaching TM to people? Well, duh. :-) Who has recently decertified all but a handful of his TM teachers and then raised the prices such that the leftover handful can't find anyone to teach? I think you'd have to be an absolute idiot to not view Maharishi as the biggest obstacle to people learning TM. But to think that King Tony is going to change anything is naive. The direction of the movement is set. TM is passé. Never thought of it that way, but that is the practical effect. Control is more important than than the benefits of the technique? Or is it really all about the movement the dollars? The dollars do seem to be the motivating factor. Every new scheme requires more of them, and emphasizes the actual teaching of TM less. The original message of spiritually regenerating the world from the bottom up by teaching people to meditate has clearly been superceded by the message of reconstructing it from the top down via Sthapatya-Veda. We never know how long the latest and greatest Grand Scheme is going to last. Prior to rebuilding the entire world via Vastu, there was Peace Palace Grand Scheme: building several thousand Peace Palaces throughout the world...at about $1 million a Peace Palace, that's about $2-3 billion. I can't remember which came first, but around the time of the Vastu Grand Scheme, there was the $600 billion Agro Grand Scheme. Between Agro and Vastu Grand Schemes there was perhaps a week or so. Between Peace Palace Grand Scheme and either Agro or Vastu Grand Scheme (I can't remember which came first) there was at least a year, no? Here's some more Grand Schemes off the top of my head: Malls of America Grand Scheme Tallest Building Grand Scheme VedaLand Grand Scheme Can anyone add to the list? Maharishi International University Grand Scheme. Maharishi Vidya Mandir Grand Scheme. Maharishi's intent to make TM available all over the world Grand Scheme. Oh, did you only want examples of things you consider to be total failures, or do you consider the above to be total failures as well? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and the viable timespan for a plan is becoming shorter and shorter. JohnY Or, the TMO is trying new ideas faster and faster, with less time spent waiting to see if the succeed or not. IMagine if MIU had been cancelled after a few weeks because not every TMer in the world had decided to send their kids there. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 18, 2005, at 4:12 PM, Ingegerd wrote: 12. Until the end of 1971 initiators are not allowed to initiate people in the following professions:- 1. Psycho-analysts, psychologists or any associated profession 2. Those practising hypnotism 3. Those very deeply engrossed in Spiritualism (Healers are not in this category) 4. Priests and ministers of religion. They can only be initiated by Maharishi or someone especially appointed by him to handle these cases. 5. Monks 6. The heads of religious organizations 7. The leaders of philosophical or metaphysical groups Wow, that eliminates a lot of people, including some on this list! Did you notice the time-frame? Until the end of 1971... Obviously, some members of the above list were initiated after 1971, and likely some before (or even during). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/18/05 1:11:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am wondering what the harm would be, if someone were initiated privately, without the auspices of the movement, and that person, continued to meditate religiously eventually gaining enlightenment. I don't understand what the big deal is with this issue at this time; Besides breaking an agreement, which now seems to have little value, because the movement now is not what it was at the time of the agreement, and because the price structure makes it out of most persons ability to learn, and because of the recertification action, which supposes that TM is taught now in some different way, then it was originally taught. The only harm I see is the TMO isn't making money when a teacher initiates for free. I was told the night before I was made an initiator that we don't refuse to teach somebody because they don't have enough money to pay the fee. Me too, but unfortunately these days that's suppossed to mean that you or I pay the fee that the initiate could not pay hasn't been about teaching new meditators for a long time - think property and fund raising. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my understanding the intiator's were required to sign an agreement form, stating that they would teach under the auspices of the movement. This was not universally true. I was asked to sign no such agreement. I have no desire to actually teach TM, but I would have no legal or ethical reason not to if I so desired. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my understanding the intiator's were required to sign an agreement form, stating that they would teach under the auspices of the movement. This was not universally true. I was asked to sign no such agreement. I have no desire to actually teach TM, but I would have no legal or ethical reason not to if I so desired. I remember signing something but I never got a copy...so, was it legal as a binding contract if I never got a copy? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
Things have changed from the first TTC in India and until to-day - also when it comes to signing Agreement Forms. I know TM-Teachers that never signed a paper. The first one that I signed was very simple, 1/2 page I think. And then the forms became more and more complicated where the TMO used Lawyers to design the forms. The last form was on 9 pages, where it is stated that the TMO owns the rights to Maharishi Yajur Veda, Maharishi Dhanur Veda, Maharishi Vaisheshika, Maharishi Vedanta, Maharishi Upanishad, etc. - 36 points - covering every aspect in the Veda. So, if I would like to teach Upanishad - and not Maharishi Upanishad - I break the Agreement Form. Whatever I do according to the Veda - outside the aspects of Maharishi Vedic Science - I could be punished. This is an example of power and control from the side of MMY and his TMO. Transcendental Meditation is just a little bit of the whole thing. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my understanding the intiator's were required to sign an agreement form, stating that they would teach under the auspices of the movement. And many people have been instructed under the auspices of the movement, especially in the days, when things were slightly different, with slightly different price structures. Many people, as everyone knows, who were instructed, have stopped meditating long ago. I am wondering what the harm would be, if someone were initiated privately, without the auspices of the movement, and that person, continued to meditate religiously eventually gaining enlightenment. I don't understand what the big deal is with this issue at this time; Besides breaking an agreement, which now seems to have little value, because the movement now is not what it was at the time of the agreement, and because the price structure makes it out of most persons ability to learn, and because of the recertification action, which supposes that TM is taught now in some different way, then it was originally taught. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/18/05 1:11:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am wondering what the harm would be, if someone were initiated privately, without the auspices of the movement, and that person, continued to meditate religiously eventually gaining enlightenment. I don't understand what the big deal is with this issue at this time; Besides breaking an agreement, which now seems to have little value, because the movement now is not what it was at the time of the agreement, and because the price structure makes it out of most persons ability to learn, and because of the recertification action, which supposes that TM is taught now in some different way, then it was originally taught. The only harm I see is the TMO isn't making money when a teacher initiates for free. I was told the night before I was made an initiator that we don't refuse to teach somebody because they don't have enough money to pay the fee. The same thing was told me on my TTC - I also received written guidelines - saying the same thing. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
In a message dated 8/18/05 2:42:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The only "harm" I see is the TMO isn't making money when a teacher initiates for free. I was told the night before I was made an initiator that we don't refuse to teach somebody because they don't have enough money to pay the fee.The same thing was told me on my TTC - I also received written guidelines - saying the same thing.Ingegerd I never received anything in writing. Jerry Jarvis just read an oath to us that we verbally agreed to. I would love to hear/see that oath again. But I do very vividly remember the part about not refusing to teach people for a lack of funds. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Everyone signed a bunch of forms at teacher training--who remembers what they said. And, we never got copies. But, that doesn't make the forms signed any less binding...legally or karmicly --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my understanding the intiator's were required to sign an agreement form, stating that they would teach under the auspices of the movement. This was not universally true. I was asked to sign no such agreement. I have no desire to actually teach TM, but I would have no legal or ethical reason not to if I so desired. I remember signing something but I never got a copy...so, was it legal as a binding contract if I never got a copy? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/18/05 2:42:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The only harm I see is the TMO isn't making money when a teacher initiates for free. I was told the night before I was made an initiator that we don't refuse to teach somebody because they don't have enough money to pay the fee. The same thing was told me on my TTC - I also received written guidelines - saying the same thing. Ingegerd Here is the Guidelines. Ingegerd THE STATUS OF THE INITIATOR An initiator is Maharihi's representative in his area. During the first International Convention of the Spiritual Regeneration Movement, Maharishi was asked how he conceived the possibility of spiritually regenerating the whole world. He said: I will multiply myself and will be found in every part of the world. The programme of training initiators is multiplying Maharishi. The initiators have to hold themselves in the dignity and grace, wisdom and light of Truth which he spreads around him. The key to the maintenance of this dignity lies in regular practice of meditation at least one hour morning and one hour evening, and up to two hours holidays, and in talking less. Every initiator is supposed to be dependable. Maharishi feels that he can depend on them because of the trust that he has placed in them. They are expected to follow his wishes, which are as follows: - 1. They will always be sincere and truthful about teaching that they have received, and they will keep it pure. 2. They will impart the teaching in public in all love and with the sole desire to do good. 3. All the initiators will keep themselves in love and dignity because only the impact of a united front could meet the need of fast advancing life. 4. They will combine their efforts in building and maintaining three international academies one in India, one in Europe and one in America, apart from meditation centres in the universities and wherever possible. 5. They will try to save their time from being involved in day- to-day matters of organization. They will set their working policy so that it will be accepted as graceful by public opinion. 6. They must always feel free with Maharishi and keep their minds attuned to his mind and his way of thinking. This should be acquired without straining, in the fullness of ease and freedom. 7. The initiators are expected to be above the disparities of religion and nationalities. Each has his own faith and belongs to his own nation, but he has to behave with people of other faiths and nations with even greater joy and love than he shows to those of his own religion and nation. 8. An initiator carries a universal mind and heart in his own individual mind and heart. 9. An initiator has the status of an ocean into which all rivers flow, even pouring their mud and rubbish bought from all sides; the ocean remains unmoved in its level. 10. People approach him from their own level of consciousness. He meets them all from his level of joy and love and the grace of eveness of mind. 11. Between the affairs of two people he behaves like the neutral point of a magnet. He does not allow the affairs of one to pass to the other through him. He does not betray the confidence of those who confide in him by passing information to others, as an ocean does not pass water from one river into another. 12. Until the end of 1971 initiators are not allowed to initiate people in the following professions:- 1. Psycho-analysts, psychologists or any associated profession 2. Those practising hypnotism 3. Those very deeply engrossed in Spiritualism (Healers are not in this category) 4. Priests and ministers of religion. They can only be initiated by Maharishi or someone especially appointed by him to handle these cases. 5. Monks 6. The heads of religious organizations 7. The leaders of philosophical or metaphysical groups If by chance there is any mistake or difficulty in carrying out the above mentioned desires, it should be brought to Maharishi's notice as soon as possible. FINANCIAL POLICY: In all periods of historical time, financial aid, or its equivalent has been necessary to establish seats of learning and spread their teachings, religious or secular. The Spiritual Regeneration Movement is in no way different. The people of India gave Maharishi the wherewithal to reach America and give his message and the Americans helped him to reach England and start the Spiritual Regeneration Movement in Europe, and likewise one nation has helped him to bring the meditation to another. It was during Maharishi's first stay in America that it was decided to ask for a weeks net income from every person initiated to enable a organization to be set up to spread the meditation to others; money is necessary for
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
Ingegerd wrote: Things have changed from the first TTC in India and until to-day - also when it comes to signing Agreement Forms. I know TM-Teachers that never signed a paper. The first one that I signed was very simple, 1/2 page I think. And then the forms became more and more complicated where the TMO used Lawyers to design the forms. The last form was on 9 pages, where it is stated that the TMO owns the rights to Maharishi Yajur Veda, Maharishi Dhanur Veda, Maharishi Vaisheshika, Maharishi Vedanta, Maharishi Upanishad, etc. - 36 points - covering every aspect in the Veda. So, if I would like to teach Upanishad - and not Maharishi Upanishad - I break the Agreement Form. Whatever I do according to the Veda - outside the aspects of Maharishi Vedic Science - I could be punished. This is an example of power and control from the side of MMY and his TMO. Transcendental Meditation is just a little bit of the whole thing. Ingegerd I would love to see them take someone to court over that. I doubt if it would even make it into the docket. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingegerd wrote: Things have changed from the first TTC in India and until to-day - also when it comes to signing Agreement Forms. I know TM-Teachers that never signed a paper. The first one that I signed was very simple, 1/2 page I think. And then the forms became more and more complicated where the TMO used Lawyers to design the forms. The last form was on 9 pages, where it is stated that the TMO owns the rights to Maharishi Yajur Veda, Maharishi Dhanur Veda, Maharishi Vaisheshika, Maharishi Vedanta, Maharishi Upanishad, etc. - 36 points - covering every aspect in the Veda. So, if I would like to teach Upanishad - and not Maharishi Upanishad - I break the Agreement Form. Whatever I do according to the Veda - outside the aspects of Maharishi Vedic Science - I could be punished. This is an example of power and control from the side of MMY and his TMO. Transcendental Meditation is just a little bit of the whole thing. Ingegerd I would love to see them take someone to court over that. I doubt if it would even make it into the docket. My Lawyer used exactly the same words I would love to go to the court with this. I did not receive any copies of whatever I had signed. But thanks to my Lawyer I finally got copies. The 1/2 page that I signed on my TTC was also signed by MMY. A very laughable piece of paper. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingegerd wrote: Things have changed from the first TTC in India and until to- day - also when it comes to signing Agreement Forms. I know TM- Teachers that never signed a paper. The first one that I signed was very simple, 1/2 page I think. And then the forms became more and more complicated where the TMO used Lawyers to design the forms. The last form was on 9 pages, where it is stated that the TMO owns the rights to Maharishi Yajur Veda, Maharishi Dhanur Veda, Maharishi Vaisheshika, Maharishi Vedanta, Maharishi Upanishad, etc. - 36 points - covering every aspect in the Veda. So, if I would like to teach Upanishad - and not Maharishi Upanishad - I break the Agreement Form. Whatever I do according to the Veda - outside the aspects of Maharishi Vedic Science - I could be punished. This is an example of power and control from the side of MMY and his TMO. Transcendental Meditation is just a little bit of the whole thing. Ingegerd I would love to see them take someone to court over that. I doubt if it would even make it into the docket. My Lawyer used exactly the same words I would love to go to the court with this. I did not receive any copies of whatever I had signed. But thanks to my Lawyer I finally got copies. The 1/2 page that I signed on my TTC was also signed by MMY. A very laughable piece of paper. Ingegerd Hi, Ingegerd Is it possible to post a jpg of the 1/2 page agreement. I would love to see it. G Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my understanding the intiator's were required to sign an agreement form, stating that they would teach under the auspices of the movement. This was not universally true. I was asked to sign no such agreement. I have no desire to actually teach TM, but I would have no legal or ethical reason not to if I so desired. I remember signing something but I never got a copy...so, was it legal as a binding contract if I never got a copy? Did I say it was legal or that it was a promise? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/18/05 2:42:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The only harm I see is the TMO isn't making money when a teacher initiates for free. I was told the night before I was made an initiator that we don't refuse to teach somebody because they don't have enough money to pay the fee. The same thing was told me on my TTC - I also received written guidelines - saying the same thing. Ingegerd I never received anything in writing. Jerry Jarvis just read an oath to us that we verbally agreed to. I would love to hear/see that oath again. But I do very vividly remember the part about not refusing to teach people for a lack of funds. Well, there you have it. You have your out for teaching on your own. Personally, I'd wait til the old man kicks the bucket to see how things change before I burn my bridges with the TMO, but YMMV... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone signed a bunch of forms at teacher training--who remembers what they said. And, we never got copies. But, that doesn't make the forms signed any less binding...legally or karmicly Legally, yes, they're not binding. Karmicly? Who can say? Morally? ? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bmorry2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone signed a bunch of forms at teacher training--who remembers what they said. And, we never got copies. But, that doesn't make the forms signed any less binding...legally or karmicly I'm not a lawyer but in the business that I'm currently in, if my client doesn't get a copy of the contract, that is cause for the contract to be null and void. Indeed, there are even ancillary documents to the contract that if a bona fide copy isn't given to the client it is cause. So I'd like to know whether not getting a copy does, indeed, make the form any less binding. And as for the karmic repercussions, well, I would say that the karma is intrinsically bound to the legal aspect since it was after all a legal document. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my understanding the intiator's were required to sign an agreement form, stating that they would teach under the auspices of the movement. This was not universally true. I was asked to sign no such agreement. I have no desire to actually teach TM, but I would have no legal or ethical reason not to if I so desired. I remember signing something but I never got a copy...so, was it legal as a binding contract if I never got a copy? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingegerd wrote: Things have changed from the first TTC in India and until to-day - also when it comes to signing Agreement Forms. I know TM-Teachers that never signed a paper. The first one that I signed was very simple, 1/2 page I think. And then the forms became more and more complicated where the TMO used Lawyers to design the forms. The last form was on 9 pages, where it is stated that the TMO owns the rights to Maharishi Yajur Veda, Maharishi Dhanur Veda, Maharishi Vaisheshika, Maharishi Vedanta, Maharishi Upanishad, etc. - 36 points - covering every aspect in the Veda. So, if I would like to teach Upanishad - and not Maharishi Upanishad - I break the Agreement Form. Whatever I do according to the Veda - outside the aspects of Maharishi Vedic Science - I could be punished. This is an example of power and control from the side of MMY and his TMO. Transcendental Meditation is just a little bit of the whole thing. Ingegerd I would love to see them take someone to court over that. I doubt if it would even make it into the docket. It obviously wouldn't. On theother hand, the useof the term Maharishi Whatever that is licensed, might be actionable if you go independent. My advice to the independents is to keep alow profile until after MMY dies and see if King Tony changes things a tad. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingegerd wrote: Things have changed from the first TTC in India and until to- day - also when it comes to signing Agreement Forms. I know TM- Teachers that never signed a paper. The first one that I signed was very simple, 1/2 page I think. And then the forms became more and more complicated where the TMO used Lawyers to design the forms. The last form was on 9 pages, where it is stated that the TMO owns the rights to Maharishi Yajur Veda, Maharishi Dhanur Veda, Maharishi Vaisheshika, Maharishi Vedanta, Maharishi Upanishad, etc. - 36 points - covering every aspect in the Veda. So, if I would like to teach Upanishad - and not Maharishi Upanishad - I break the Agreement Form. Whatever I do according to the Veda - outside the aspects of Maharishi Vedic Science - I could be punished. This is an example of power and control from the side of MMY and his TMO. Transcendental Meditation is just a little bit of the whole thing. Ingegerd I would love to see them take someone to court over that. I doubt if it would even make it into the docket. It obviously wouldn't. On theother hand, the useof the term Maharishi Whatever that is licensed, might be actionable if you go independent. My advice to the independents is to keep alow profile until after MMY dies and see if King Tony changes things a tad. Transcendental Meditation, as taught by King Tony Nader Raaam. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 8/18/05 4:24:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, there you have it. You have your out for teaching on your own. Personally, I'd wait til the old man kicks the bucket to see how things change before I burn my bridges with the TMO, but YMMV... My very intentions all along, that is if I ever teach again. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 8/18/05 4:29:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My advice to the independents is to keep alow profile until after MMY dies and see if King Tony changes things a tad. I kind of think the whole thing will collapse shortly after MMY takes leave. Probably a few will fight over the scraps of what' left while the rest of us sit back and watch the bickering. Sooner or later something may raise up out of the ashes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/18/05 4:29:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My advice to the independents is to keep alow profile until after MMY dies and see if King Tony changes things a tad. I kind of think the whole thing will collapse shortly after MMY takes leave. Probably a few will fight over the scraps of what' left while the rest of us sit back and watch the bickering. Sooner or later something may raise up out of the ashes. do you think scisms will form? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 8/18/05 5:15:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: do you think "scisms" will form? No doubt! Look what happened to Yogananda's organization. But this will be much worse , maybe to the point the original organizations may cease to exist. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingegerd wrote: Things have changed from the first TTC in India and until to- day - snip*** It obviously wouldn't. On theother hand, the useof the term Maharishi Whatever that is licensed, might be actionable if you go independent. My advice to the independents is to keep alow profile until after MMY dies and see if King Tony changes things a tad. Transcendental Meditation, as taught by King Tony Nader Raaam. Uh, that'll fly! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingegerd wrote: Things have changed from the first TTC in India and until to- day - also when it comes to signing Agreement Forms. I know TM- Teachers that never signed a paper. The first one that I signed was very simple, 1/2 page I think. And then the forms became more and more complicated where the TMO used Lawyers to design the forms. The last form was on 9 pages, where it is stated that the TMO owns the rights to Maharishi Yajur Veda, Maharishi Dhanur Veda, Maharishi Vaisheshika, Maharishi Vedanta, Maharishi Upanishad, etc. - 36 points - covering every aspect in the Veda. So, if I would like to teach Upanishad - and not Maharishi Upanishad - I break the Agreement Form. Whatever I do according to the Veda - outside the aspects of Maharishi Vedic Science - I could be punished. This is an example of power and control from the side of MMY and his TMO. Transcendental Meditation is just a little bit of the whole thing. Ingegerd I would love to see them take someone to court over that. I doubt if it would even make it into the docket. My Lawyer used exactly the same words I would love to go to the court with this. I did not receive any copies of whatever I had signed. But thanks to my Lawyer I finally got copies. The 1/2 page that I signed on my TTC was also signed by MMY. A very laughable piece of paper. Ingegerd Hi, Ingegerd Is it possible to post a jpg of the 1/2 page agreement. I would love to see it. G I would love to send all 9 pages on FFL, but I do not have a scanner. If you like I can send it by post. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/18/05 4:29:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My advice to the independents is to keep alow profile until after MMY dies and see if King Tony changes things a tad. Do you mean that MMY is a hindrance for teaching TM to people? Ingegerd I kind of think the whole thing will collapse shortly after MMY takes leave. Probably a few will fight over the scraps of what' left while the rest of us sit back and watch the bickering. Sooner or later something may raise up out of the ashes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'To Teach or Not to Teach..'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ingegerd wrote: Things have changed from the first TTC in India and until to- day - also when it comes to signing Agreement Forms. I know TM- Teachers that never signed a paper. The first one that I signed was very simple, 1/2 page I think. And then the forms became more and more complicated where the TMO used Lawyers to design the forms. The last form was on 9 pages, where it is stated that the TMO owns the rights to Maharishi Yajur Veda, Maharishi Dhanur Veda, Maharishi Vaisheshika, Maharishi Vedanta, Maharishi Upanishad, etc. - 36 points - covering every aspect in the Veda. So, if I would like to teach Upanishad - and not Maharishi Upanishad - I break the Agreement Form. Whatever I do according to the Veda - outside the aspects of Maharishi Vedic Science - I could be punished. This is an example of power and control from the side of MMY and his TMO. Transcendental Meditation is just a little bit of the whole thing. Ingegerd I would love to see them take someone to court over that. I doubt if it would even make it into the docket. My Lawyer used exactly the same words I would love to go to the court with this. I did not receive any copies of whatever I had signed. But thanks to my Lawyer I finally got copies. The 1/2 page that I signed on my TTC was also signed by MMY. A very laughable piece of paper. Ingegerd Hi, Ingegerd Is it possible to post a jpg of the 1/2 page agreement. I would love to see it. G I would love to send all 9 pages on FFL, but I do not have a scanner. If you like I can send it by post. Ingegerd Sorry, I misunderstood. I will send the 1/2 page agreement. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
