[FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have lust?

2011-11-13 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
That would mean having 20 horoscopes calculated and printed out in a form that 
can be electronically sent. You would not even have to send your birthday data. 
A horoscope is supposed to contain all there is about you, the birth date is 
only needed to generate it. So you would probably need a program to generate 
the output. Use 20 different dates, and use the correct one only once. Actually 
you need your birth location and time to the second. Remove any dates of birth 
in the output. Then an astrologer has to work entirely from the horoscope, 
rather than pick up on visual and verbal cues from the person. In other words, 
you cannot be pumped for acknowledging feedback that gives them clues as to 
what you think about what they say.

What you say on the web will persist. There is some safety in anonymity. We are 
being tracked on the web in ways we cannot imagine.

Bye bye Denise, hello 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote:

 Ha.  That would be pretty convincing, actually.  I hate to ask such a 
 stupid question as I could probably take some initiative and get the answer 
 myself, but when you say send a horoscope, what does that mean in terms of 
 data requirements?
 
 I'm planning to unsuscribe Monday and reappear under a more anonymous 
 moniker.  I am sufficiently paranoid about what I have posted here being 
 found by some future employer and others.  I googled myself last week out of 
 curiosity and the Occupy Seattle pics I posted came up tagged to FFL. 
 Luckily, that's not a huge deal.  I've been fairly transparent here, 
 probably because the distance gives me some sense of security.  Having never 
 participated in an interactive forum like this, and never intending to, I 
 didn't think it through in advance.
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:50 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have 
 lust?
 
 
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote:
 
  That might be too personal for me...I have trust issues :)  My typical 
  MO is to give these healer people no information about me whatsoever, so 
  whatever they are doing is not influenced in some subconscious or conscious 
  way by preconceived notions or judgements.  If I think, feel, or intuit 
  that they are being influenced heavily by either their own, or my own 
  pathologies, I stop seeing them or dismiss their conclusions.  You know 
  too much already.  
 
 You could send him 20 different horoscopes and have him pick out the correct 
 one to work on based on what you post here. That would statistically be at 
 the 95% confidence level.
 
 I'm going to get some referrals and do some research about who is in the 
 Seattle area.  If you know anyone here, let me know.  There are a lot 
 of people out there that don't meet the grade, for me.
  
  Thank you, though.  BTW, were you at the Bellevue Ammachi event?  If 
  so, did you come to the free darshan day(s) or did you pay for the 
  weekend? 
  
  
  
  From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:52 AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person 
  have lust?
  
  
    
  Screw Ammachi..you have me now, I can entertain you..:-). It's good you 
  found something of value.
  
  Anyway the strongest Sign in a chart is rarely the Sun sign, in my case Sun 
  is in Capricorn. Your Sun depending on the degree could actually be in 
  Libra for your Vedic chart or sidereal zodiac.
  
  You can send me your horoscope to my email and you can win a free 
  personalized horoscope from the mad yogi himself..LOL..damn I still have 
  one pending for a friend of mine, but whatever.
  
  
  
  
  From: Denise Evans dmevans365@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Sat, November 12, 2011 12:41:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person 
  have lust?
  
    
  Astrology...another topic I know little about...it's my Sun (Tropical?) 
  sign, but I don't fit the classic internet description completely.  I am 
  not a jealous person, nor into revenge, or all the other mean things they 
  say about us.  
  
  I've been thinking I'm going to have some version of my chart done...maybe 
  it will shed some light on WTF is going on.  It's probably not a brain 
  tumor...just years of extreme stress and difficult relationships.  I am 
  ecstatic to be by myself at this point and have never wanted to be married. 
   Oh yeah, the kidstheir SuperMom may be turning into a 
  Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious Mom, it's simply quite atrocious.
  
  Sex is Love and Love is Sex in my ideal world :) ÂÂ

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have lust?

2011-11-13 Thread Ravi Yogi 
Look at you Xeno, you fucking retard you make everything so fucking 
complicated, 
fucking stuck in the head. I wonder if people ever laugh at at your big fucking 
intellectually aroused head? All she has to do is send the birthdate and let 
the 
astrologer figure out the time of birth.




From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 13, 2011 12:55:49 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have 
lust?

   
That would mean having 20 horoscopes calculated and printed out in a form that 
can be electronically sent. You would not even have to send your birthday data. 
A horoscope is supposed to contain all there is about you, the birth date is 
only needed to generate it. So you would probably need a program to generate 
the 
output. Use 20 different dates, and use the correct one only once. Actually you 
need your birth location and time to the second. Remove any dates of birth in 
the output. Then an astrologer has to work entirely from the horoscope, rather 
than pick up on visual and verbal cues from the person. In other words, you 
cannot be pumped for acknowledging feedback that gives them clues as to what 
you 
think about what they say.

What you say on the web will persist. There is some safety in anonymity. We are 
being tracked on the web in ways we cannot imagine.

Bye bye Denise, hello 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote:

 Ha. Â That would be pretty convincing, actually. Â I hate to ask such a 
 stupid 
question as I could probably take some initiative and get the answer myself, 
but 
when you say send a horoscope, what does that mean in terms of data 
requirements?
 
 I'm planning to unsuscribe Monday and reappear under a more anonymous 
 moniker. 
 I am sufficiently paranoid about what I have posted here being found by some 
future employer and others. Â I googled myself last week out of curiosity and 
the Occupy Seattle pics I posted came up tagged to FFL. Luckily, that's not a 
huge deal. Â I've been fairly transparent here, probably because the distance 
gives me some sense of security. Â Having never participated in an interactive 
forum like this, and never intending to, I didn't think it through in advance.
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:50 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have 
lust?
 
 
 Â  
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote:
 
  That might be too personal for me...I have trust issues :)  My typical 
  MO 
is to give these healer people no information about me whatsoever, so 
whatever 
they are doing is not influenced in some subconscious or conscious way by 
preconceived notions or judgements.  If I think, feel, or intuit that they 
are being influenced heavily by either their own, or my own pathologies, I 
stop 
seeing them or dismiss their conclusions.  You know too much already.  
 
 You could send him 20 different horoscopes and have him pick out the correct 
one to work on based on what you post here. That would statistically be at the 
95% confidence level.
 
 I'm going to get some referrals and do some research about who is in the 
Seattle area.  If you know anyone here, let me know.  There are a lot of 
people out there that don't meet the grade, for me.
  
  Thank you, though.  BTW, were you at the Bellevue Ammachi event?  If 
so, did you come to the free darshan day(s) or did you pay for the weekend? 
  
  
  
  From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:52 AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person 
have lust?
  
  
    
  Screw Ammachi..you have me now, I can entertain you..:-). It's good you 
  found 
something of value.
  
  Anyway the strongest Sign in a chart is rarely the Sun sign, in my case Sun 
is in Capricorn. Your Sun depending on the degree could actually be in Libra 
for 
your Vedic chart or sidereal zodiac.
  
  You can send me your horoscope to my email and you can win a free 
personalized horoscope from the mad yogi himself..LOL..damn I still have one 
pending for a friend of mine, but whatever.
  
  
  
  
  From: Denise Evans dmevans365@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Sat, November 12, 2011 12:41:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person 
have lust?
  
    
  Astrology...another topic I know little about...it's my Sun (Tropical?) 
  sign, 
but I don't fit the classic internet description completely.  I am not a 
jealous person, nor into revenge, or all the other mean things they say about 
us. ÂÂ

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have lust?

2011-11-12 Thread Denise Evans 
Ravi, I get this...I completely understand this.  Also, I watched your Bat Gap 
(most of it) interview this week.  It helped me with my current situation 
because something very odd is going on with me energetically.  Maybe its a 
brain tumor.  Maybe it's just that the work my cranial sacral guy is doing to 
subtly manipulate my structure to clear the blockages and allow it to receive 
and express life force energy (or something like that...again, I am trying 
not to over think or ask too much of my brain at this time) is working.  

Also, remember, I am a Scorpio woman and haven't been shut down my whole life, 
just the last few years and I was honestly, pretty happy about it for a number 
of reasons :)  Now, it appears that my energy may be returningI blame it on 
the FFL shaktipat effect (or should I be saying shot put.

  



From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person 
have lust?


  
Dear Denise,

FWIW I don't say anything anything that's not my experience. I kept my fucking 
mouth shut for 38 years - in fact I thought it was stupid to engage in 
spiritual discussions.

My experiences on sex match Sri Bhagwan and Osho say. I was tremendously 
blessed by the existence to marry a woman who made me feel like an abuser, pimp 
for daring to even entertain the thoughts of having sex with my own wife.

I was extremely virile, with strong sexual desire but for me sex always 
followed love so I couldn't beg my ex for sex, I was too proud nor was I like 
John, Willytex to force myself on her because I had a fucking license to sleep 
with her.

I suffered tremendously with shame, guilt, my sexual fantasies. Not to talk 
about the anger, bitterness I felt at being constantly rejected of the 
tremendous love and attraction I felt for my ex.

I was forced to internalize them and through the grace of Mother Kali power 
heal and ascend.

You can't blame for that can you? My ex was only Guru.

Love - Ravi




From: Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 11:43:00 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person 
have lust?

  
Damn, it always gets back to for the enlightened one...  I'll have to 
make more of an effort to become enlightened in my next life.  



From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person 
have lust?


  
Denise,

Yes - What Sri Bhagwan says is exactly what Osho would have said.

I have said before, but I would say that for an enlightened there is lust but 
there is no pain and suffering. Animal-like, animals have sex but it's not 
mental, it's not in the mind (which Sri Bhagwan referred to as psychological), 
they don't suffer from guilt, shame.


In the absence of beliefs such as sex is sin - sex is seen for what it is just 
a biological need. No shame, no guilt, no archetypal guilt of abuser or being 
abused, hence no pain or suffering.




From: Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 11:02:09 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have 
lust?

  
This conversation has been kicked around plenty and is now passe.  However, I'm 
sending this anyway.  I simply could  not understand Sri Bhagavan on the video 
John sent so I decided to transcribe him and then I had to comment below 
because it was so non-sensical.  I did understand OSHO - his word choices came 
across more clearly and he was far funnier, I must say.  

Sri Bhagavan and OSHO are trying to say the same thing...are they not?  If one 
pulls way up and doesn't getting confused by the minutia or their personal 
beliefs [such as OSHO stating that God raped the Virgin Mary and marriage 
inhibits freedom (paraphrased)]?  

Sri Bhagavan speaks more indirectly.  I think he may be trying to cater to the 
American puritan roots and his ability with the English language may be 
inhibiting clear thought presentation as well. OSHO always has a crazy look in 
his eye and had me ROTFLMAO, if for no other reason than the pure irreverence 
of his statements.  


Word Up... Who has time for all that psychological romance stuff. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZjAantupsA


SRI BHAGAVAN - transcribed

Question: Does lust exist for an enlightened person?

Answer:  Enlightened people can also have children, like unenlightened people.  
(Meaning that enlightened people can procreate...obviously - it's a biological 
function.)

If an enlightened person has got lust, we can talk about lust, biologicallust

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have lust?

2011-11-12 Thread Ravi Yogi 
Oh no..not brain tumor, god I hope not. Please have it checked out. Could be 
the 
cranial sacral, either way take care of yourself and sometimes it makes more 
sense after the dust settles.

LOL..on watching my Batgap video, I was very high, looking back the interview 
was probably a bit premature. I agree with most of what I said, its more like 
talking about a game while the game's still on. I can do a much better 
post-match analysis now, but who knows may be the game's still on?? So whatever 
happened was probably the best.

When you say Scorpio is that Tropical zodiac? I'm a Scorpio myself, not by the 
virtue of Sun being in Tropical Scorpio but my Mars, Venus and ascendant lord 
Jupiter in Scorpio. So it's all about sex, sex, sex..LOL..

What to to say about the foolishness and audacity of some of the idiots here 
trying to think they can sell their impotent, perverted, repressed views on sex 
unchallenged.




From: Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 12, 2011 12:12:56 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person 
have 
lust?

   
Ravi, I get this...I completely understand this.  Also, I watched your Bat Gap 
(most of it) interview this week.  It helped me with my current situation 
because something very odd is going on with me energetically.  Maybe its a 
brain 
tumor.  Maybe it's just that the work my cranial sacral guy is doing to subtly 
manipulate my structure to clear the blockages and allow it to receive and 
express life force energy (or something like that...again, I am trying not to 
over think or ask too much of my brain at this time) is working.  

Also, remember, I am a Scorpio woman and haven't been shut down my whole life, 
just the last few years and I was honestly, pretty happy about it for a number 
of reasons :)  Now, it appears that my energy may be  returningI blame it 
on 
the FFL shaktipat effect (or should I be saying shot put.

  



From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person 
have 
lust?


  
Dear Denise,

FWIW I don't say anything anything that's not my experience. I kept my fucking 
mouth shut for 38 years - in fact I thought it was stupid to engage in 
spiritual 
discussions.

My experiences on sex match Sri Bhagwan and Osho say. I was tremendously 
blessed 
by the existence to marry a woman who made me feel like an abuser, pimp for 
daring to even entertain the thoughts of having sex with my own wife.

I was extremely virile, with strong sexual desire but for me sex always 
followed 
love so I couldn't beg my ex for sex, I was too proud nor was I like John, 
Willytex to force myself on her because I had a fucking license to sleep with 
her.

I suffered tremendously with shame, guilt, my sexual  fantasies. Not to talk 
about the anger, bitterness I felt at being constantly rejected of the 
tremendous love and attraction I felt for my ex.

I was forced to internalize them and through the grace of Mother Kali power 
heal 
and ascend.

You can't blame for that can you? My ex was only Guru.

Love - Ravi




From: Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November  11, 2011 11:43:00  PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person 
have 
lust?

  
Damn, it always gets back to for the enlightened one...  I'll have to 
make 
more of an effort to become enlightened in my next life.  



From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person 
have 
lust?


  
Denise,

Yes - What Sri Bhagwan says is exactly what Osho would have said.

I have said before, but I would say that for an enlightened there is lust but 
there is no pain and suffering. Animal-like, animals have sex but it's not 
mental, it's not in the mind (which Sri Bhagwan referred to as psychological), 
they don't suffer from guilt,  shame.


In the absence of beliefs such as sex is sin - sex is seen for what it is just 
a 
biological need. No shame, no guilt, no archetypal guilt of abuser or being 
abused, hence no pain or suffering.




From: Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 11:02:09 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have 
lust?

  
This conversation has been kicked around plenty and is now passe.  However, I'm 
sending this anyway.  I simply could  not understand Sri Bhagavan on the video 
John sent so I decided to transcribe him and then I

[FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have lust?

2011-11-12 Thread John 
Denise,

That's an excellent way to handle strangers.  Beware of wolves in sheep's 
clothing.  IOW, don't listen to false prophets.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote:

 That might be too personal for me...I have trust issues :)  My typical MO is 
 to give these healer people no information about me whatsoever, so whatever 
 they are doing is not influenced in some subconscious or conscious way by 
 preconceived notions or judgements.  If I think, feel, or intuit that they 
 are being influenced heavily by either their own, or my own pathologies, I 
 stop seeing them or dismiss their conclusions.  You know too much already. 
  I'm going to get some referrals and do some research about who is in the 
 Seattle area.  If you know anyone here, let me know.  There are a lot of 
 people out there that don't meet the grade, for me.
 
 Thank you, though.  BTW, were you at the Bellevue Ammachi event?  If so, 
 did you come to the free darshan day(s) or did you pay for the weekend? 
 
 
 
 From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person 
 have lust?
 
 
   
 Screw Ammachi..you have me now, I can entertain you..:-). It's good you found 
 something of value.
 
 Anyway the strongest Sign in a chart is rarely the Sun sign, in my case Sun 
 is in Capricorn. Your Sun depending on the degree could actually be in Libra 
 for your Vedic chart or sidereal zodiac.
 
 You can send me your horoscope to my email and you can win a free 
 personalized horoscope from the mad yogi himself..LOL..damn I still have one 
 pending for a friend of mine, but whatever.
 
 
 
 
 From: Denise Evans dmevans365@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sat, November 12, 2011 12:41:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person 
 have lust?
 
   
 Astrology...another topic I know little about...it's my Sun (Tropical?) sign, 
 but I don't fit the classic internet description completely.  I am not a 
 jealous person, nor into revenge, or all the other mean things they say about 
 us.  
 
 I've been thinking I'm going to have some version of my chart done...maybe it 
 will shed some light on WTF is going on.  It's probably not a brain 
 tumor...just years of extreme stress and difficult relationships.  I am 
 ecstatic to be by myself at this point and have never wanted to be married. 
  Oh yeah, the kidstheir SuperMom may be turning into a 
 Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious Mom, it's simply quite atrocious.
 
 Sex is Love and Love is Sex in my ideal world :)  
 
 I laughed a lot through your interview (every time you grinned) but at the 
 same time, a lot of what you were saying was making sense to me on some 
 level.  Gotta go.
 
 
 
 From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person 
 have lust?
 
 
   
 Oh no..not brain tumor, god I hope not. Please have it checked out. Could be 
 the cranial sacral, either way take care of yourself and sometimes it makes 
 more sense after the dust settles.
 
 LOL..on watching my Batgap video, I was very high, looking back the interview 
 was probably a bit premature. I agree with most of what I said, its more like 
 talking about a game while the game's still on. I can do a much better 
 post-match analysis now, but who knows may be the game's still on?? So 
 whatever happened was probably the best.
 
 When you say Scorpio is that Tropical zodiac? I'm a Scorpio myself, not by 
 the virtue of Sun being in Tropical Scorpio but my Mars, Venus and ascendant 
 lord Jupiter in Scorpio. So it's all about sex, sex, sex..LOL..
 
 What to to say about the foolishness and audacity of some of the idiots here 
 trying to think they can sell their impotent, perverted, repressed views on 
 sex unchallenged.
 
 
 
 
 From: Denise Evans dmevans365@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sat, November 12, 2011 12:12:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person 
 have lust?
 
   
 Ravi, I get this...I completely understand this.  Also, I watched your Bat 
 Gap (most of it) interview this week.  It helped me with my current 
 situation because something very odd is going on with me energetically. 
  Maybe its a brain tumor.  Maybe it's just that the work my cranial sacral 
 guy is doing to subtly manipulate my structure to clear the blockages and 
 allow it to receive and express life force energy (or something like 
 that...again, I am trying not to over think or ask too much of my brain at 
 this time) is working.  
 
 Also

[FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have lust?

2011-11-12 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote:

 That might be too personal for me...I have trust issues :)  My typical MO is 
 to give these healer people no information about me whatsoever, so whatever 
 they are doing is not influenced in some subconscious or conscious way by 
 preconceived notions or judgements.  If I think, feel, or intuit that they 
 are being influenced heavily by either their own, or my own pathologies, I 
 stop seeing them or dismiss their conclusions.  You know too much already.  

You could send him 20 different horoscopes and have him pick out the correct 
one to work on based on what you post here. That would statistically be at the 
95% confidence level.

I'm going to get some referrals and do some research about who is in the 
Seattle area.  If you know anyone here, let me know.  There are a lot of 
people out there that don't meet the grade, for me.
 
 Thank you, though.  BTW, were you at the Bellevue Ammachi event?  If so, 
 did you come to the free darshan day(s) or did you pay for the weekend? 
 
 
 
 From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person 
 have lust?
 
 
   
 Screw Ammachi..you have me now, I can entertain you..:-). It's good you found 
 something of value.
 
 Anyway the strongest Sign in a chart is rarely the Sun sign, in my case Sun 
 is in Capricorn. Your Sun depending on the degree could actually be in Libra 
 for your Vedic chart or sidereal zodiac.
 
 You can send me your horoscope to my email and you can win a free 
 personalized horoscope from the mad yogi himself..LOL..damn I still have one 
 pending for a friend of mine, but whatever.
 
 
 
 
 From: Denise Evans dmevans365@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sat, November 12, 2011 12:41:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person 
 have lust?
 
   
 Astrology...another topic I know little about...it's my Sun (Tropical?) sign, 
 but I don't fit the classic internet description completely.  I am not a 
 jealous person, nor into revenge, or all the other mean things they say about 
 us.  
 
 I've been thinking I'm going to have some version of my chart done...maybe it 
 will shed some light on WTF is going on.  It's probably not a brain 
 tumor...just years of extreme stress and difficult relationships.  I am 
 ecstatic to be by myself at this point and have never wanted to be married. 
  Oh yeah, the kidstheir SuperMom may be turning into a 
 Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious Mom, it's simply quite atrocious.
 
 Sex is Love and Love is Sex in my ideal world :)  
 
 I laughed a lot through your interview (every time you grinned) but at the 
 same time, a lot of what you were saying was making sense to me on some 
 level.  Gotta go.
 
 
 
 From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person 
 have lust?
 
 
   
 Oh no..not brain tumor, god I hope not. Please have it checked out. Could be 
 the cranial sacral, either way take care of yourself and sometimes it makes 
 more sense after the dust settles.
 
 LOL..on watching my Batgap video, I was very high, looking back the interview 
 was probably a bit premature. I agree with most of what I said, its more like 
 talking about a game while the game's still on. I can do a much better 
 post-match analysis now, but who knows may be the game's still on?? So 
 whatever happened was probably the best.
 
 When you say Scorpio is that Tropical zodiac? I'm a Scorpio myself, not by 
 the virtue of Sun being in Tropical Scorpio but my Mars, Venus and ascendant 
 lord Jupiter in Scorpio. So it's all about sex, sex, sex..LOL..
 
 What to to say about the foolishness and audacity of some of the idiots here 
 trying to think they can sell their impotent, perverted, repressed views on 
 sex unchallenged.
 
 
 
 
 From: Denise Evans dmevans365@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sat, November 12, 2011 12:12:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person 
 have lust?
 
   
 Ravi, I get this...I completely understand this.  Also, I watched your Bat 
 Gap (most of it) interview this week.  It helped me with my current 
 situation because something very odd is going on with me energetically. 
  Maybe its a brain tumor.  Maybe it's just that the work my cranial sacral 
 guy is doing to subtly manipulate my structure to clear the blockages and 
 allow it to receive and express life force energy (or something like 
 that...again, I am trying not to over think or ask too much of my

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have lust?

2011-11-12 Thread Denise Evans 
Ha.  That would be pretty convincing, actually.  I hate to ask such a stupid 
question as I could probably take some initiative and get the answer myself, 
but when you say send a horoscope, what does that mean in terms of data 
requirements?

I'm planning to unsuscribe Monday and reappear under a more anonymous moniker.  
I am sufficiently paranoid about what I have posted here being found by some 
future employer and others.  I googled myself last week out of curiosity and 
the Occupy Seattle pics I posted came up tagged to FFL. Luckily, that's not a 
huge deal.  I've been fairly transparent here, probably because the distance 
gives me some sense of security.  Having never participated in an interactive 
forum like this, and never intending to, I didn't think it through in advance.





From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:50 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have 
lust?


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote:

 That might be too personal for me...I have trust issues :)  My typical MO is 
 to give these healer people no information about me whatsoever, so whatever 
 they are doing is not influenced in some subconscious or conscious way by 
 preconceived notions or judgements.  If I think, feel, or intuit that they 
 are being influenced heavily by either their own, or my own pathologies, I 
 stop seeing them or dismiss their conclusions.  You know too much already.  

You could send him 20 different horoscopes and have him pick out the correct 
one to work on based on what you post here. That would statistically be at the 
95% confidence level.

I'm going to get some referrals and do some research about who is in the 
Seattle area.  If you know anyone here, let me know.  There are a lot of 
people out there that don't meet the grade, for me.
 
 Thank you, though.  BTW, were you at the Bellevue Ammachi event?  If so, 
 did you come to the free darshan day(s) or did you pay for the weekend? 
 
 
 
 From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person 
 have lust?
 
 
   
 Screw Ammachi..you have me now, I can entertain you..:-). It's good you found 
 something of value.
 
 Anyway the strongest Sign in a chart is rarely the Sun sign, in my case Sun 
 is in Capricorn. Your Sun depending on the degree could actually be in Libra 
 for your Vedic chart or sidereal zodiac.
 
 You can send me your horoscope to my email and you can win a free 
 personalized horoscope from the mad yogi himself..LOL..damn I still have one 
 pending for a friend of mine, but whatever.
 
 
 
 
 From: Denise Evans dmevans365@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sat, November 12, 2011 12:41:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person 
 have lust?
 
   
 Astrology...another topic I know little about...it's my Sun (Tropical?) sign, 
 but I don't fit the classic internet description completely.  I am not a 
 jealous person, nor into revenge, or all the other mean things they say about 
 us.  
 
 I've been thinking I'm going to have some version of my chart done...maybe it 
 will shed some light on WTF is going on.  It's probably not a brain 
 tumor...just years of extreme stress and difficult relationships.  I am 
 ecstatic to be by myself at this point and have never wanted to be married. 
  Oh yeah, the kidstheir SuperMom may be turning into a 
 Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious Mom, it's simply quite atrocious.
 
 Sex is Love and Love is Sex in my ideal world :)  
 
 I laughed a lot through your interview (every time you grinned) but at the 
 same time, a lot of what you were saying was making sense to me on some 
 level.  Gotta go.
 
 
 
 From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person 
 have lust?
 
 
   
 Oh no..not brain tumor, god I hope not. Please have it checked out. Could be 
 the cranial sacral, either way take care of yourself and sometimes it makes 
 more sense after the dust settles.
 
 LOL..on watching my Batgap video, I was very high, looking back the interview 
 was probably a bit premature. I agree with most of what I said, its more like 
 talking about a game while the game's still on. I can do a much better 
 post-match analysis now, but who knows may be the game's still on?? So 
 whatever happened was probably the best.
 
 When you say Scorpio is that Tropical zodiac? I'm a Scorpio myself, not by 
 the virtue of Sun being in Tropical Scorpio but my Mars, Venus

[FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have lust?

2011-11-11 Thread Denise Evans 
This conversation has been kicked around plenty and is now passe.  However, I'm 
sending this anyway.  I simply could  not understand Sri Bhagavan on the video 
John sent so I decided to transcribe him and then I had to comment below 
because it was so non-sensical.  I did understand OSHO - his word choices came 
across more clearly and he was far funnier, I must say.  

Sri Bhagavan and OSHO are trying to say the same thing...are they not?  If one 
pulls way up and doesn't getting confused by the minutia or their personal 
beliefs [such as OSHO stating that God raped the Virgin Mary and marriage 
inhibits freedom (paraphrased)]?  

Sri Bhagavan speaks more indirectly.  I think he may be trying to cater to the 
American puritan roots and his ability with the English language may be 
inhibiting clear thought presentation as well. OSHO always has a crazy look in 
his eye and had me ROTFLMAO, if for no other reason than the pure irreverence 
of his statements.  


Word Up... Who has time for all that psychological romance stuff. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZjAantupsA


SRI BHAGAVAN - transcribed

Question: Does lust exist for an enlightened person?

Answer:  Enlightened people can also have children, like unenlightened people.  
(Meaning that enlightened people can procreate...obviously - it's a biological 
function.)

If an enlightened person has got lust, we can talk about lust, biologicallust.  
In normal people, it is psychological lust. (Biological/psychological...it's 
all interrelated and it's all biological because that's the way the hormones 
work in the body. He's parsing to make a point, which is that enlightened 
people can have lust too, so yes, John, please feel free to sleep with your 
wife this week too :).  He's just trying to create an artificial boundary in 
order to keep the enlightened man in a separate category.) 

For the enlightened person, it is more animal like, it is just part of the 
body, that's all (I think that perhaps what he is really trying to say is that 
the enlightened man realizes that consciousness encompasses (wrong word 
choice?) the body and that the body comes with animal instinctsyes, my kids 
started learning how their body works in elementary school..no big aha moment 
here.)

Now, the unenlightened person can sit alone and be thinking about lust (Yes, 
she can). 

The enlightened man cannot do that because the mind doesn't come up with 
supporting pictures. (Yeah, right - FFL is a good example of the truth of this 
statement.) So, there is no mental lust or psychological lust.  (Again, it's 
all the same thing so yes, there is.  He's also speaking to our American 
puritan-based roots which create self-talk that says...we know it's wrong 
but we can't help ourselves. ).

But, let us say there is a woman - understanding there can be physical lust.  
And of course he (the enlightened man) is not going to violate any law and may 
have a relationship with his wife and produce children.  But, this biological 
lust is really really little (Yeah, right)  - and can be a good solution to 
population problems (Please, stop).

But, then let us say there is a person - an enlightened person - and there is a 
woman going there and there is physical lust.  After she moves away from the 
range of vision - it's gone - he cannot think about her (I think he's trying to 
say that an enlightened man stays in the moment).

Lust came, lust went - that's all.  It will not cause a problem (It might for 
the woman...stereotypical male statement).  But, the other (unenlightened man) 
will be thinking ofwill go off and chase.that does not happen for the 
enlightened person (Yeah, like celebrities. Women come to them.)  

After this week of reading all your posts, I might beg to differ on that point, 
but never mind me, I'm an unenlightened, depressed, stressed, fear-based, 
shame-based, slightly overweight, immuno-compromised, middle-aged, woman.  Whew 
- now there's a good visual.  Luckily, my personal version of the hopey-changey 
thing is beginning to work for me.  I don't always know what FFL is saying, but 
what I'm hearing is: It's o.k., you can be here, we have a lot of experience 
with realities here, we are experts in management here. Oh, by the way, have 
you heard the one about the Raja's and the Domers?  

OSHO


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ocbZhRQS9I


No transcribing needed.

Freedom-hoppin' starts in pretty good here after the song gets rolling - tee 
hee:  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rd8VzNGjL0feature=related

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have lust?

2011-11-11 Thread Ravi Yogi 
Denise,

Yes - What Sri Bhagwan says is exactly what Osho would have said.

I have said before, but I would say that for an enlightened there is lust but 
there is no pain and suffering. Animal-like, animals have sex but it's not 
mental, it's not in the mind (which Sri Bhagwan referred to as psychological), 
they don't suffer from guilt, shame.


In the absence of beliefs such as sex is sin - sex is seen for what it is just 
a 
biological need. No shame, no guilt, no archetypal guilt of abuser or being 
abused, hence no pain or suffering.




From: Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 11:02:09 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have 
lust?

   
This conversation has been kicked around plenty and is now passe.  However, I'm 
sending this anyway.  I simply could  not understand Sri Bhagavan on the video 
John sent so I decided to transcribe him and then I had to comment below 
because 
it was so non-sensical.  I did understand OSHO - his word choices came across 
more clearly and he was far funnier, I must say.  

Sri Bhagavan and OSHO are trying to say the same thing...are they not?  If one 
pulls way up and doesn't getting confused by the minutia or their personal 
beliefs [such as OSHO stating  that God raped the Virgin Mary and marriage 
inhibits freedom  (paraphrased)]?  

Sri Bhagavan speaks more indirectly.  I think he may be trying to cater to the 
American puritan roots and his ability with the English language may be 
inhibiting clear thought presentation as well. OSHO always has a crazy look in 
his eye and had me ROTFLMAO, if for no other reason than the pure irreverence 
of 
his statements.  


Word Up... Who has time for all that  psychological romance stuff. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZjAantupsA


SRI BHAGAVAN - transcribed

Question: Does lust exist for an enlightened person?

Answer:  Enlightened people can also have children, like unenlightened people. 
 (Meaning that enlightened people can procreate...obviously - it's a biological 
function.)

If an enlightened person  has got lust, we can talk about lust, biologicallust. 
 In normal people, it is psychological lust. (Biological/psychological...it's 
all interrelated and it's all biological because that's the way the hormones 
work in the body. He's parsing to make a point, which is that enlightened 
people 
can have lust too, so  yes, John, please feel free to sleep with  your wife 
this 
week too :).  He's just trying to create an artificial boundary in order to 
keep 
the enlightened man in a separate category.) 

For the enlightened person, it is more animal like, it is just part of the 
body, 
that's all (I think that perhaps what he is really trying to say is that the 
enlightened man realizes that consciousness encompasses (wrong word choice?) 
the 
body and that the body comes with animal instinctsyes, my kids started 
learning how their body works in elementary school..no big aha moment  here.)

Now,  the unenlightened person can sit alone and be thinking about lust (Yes, 
she can). 

The enlightened man cannot do that because the mind doesn't come up with 
supporting pictures. (Yeah, right - FFL is a good  example of the truth of this 
 
statement.) So, there is no mental lust or psychological lust.  (Again, it's 
all 
the same  thing so yes, there is.  He's also speaking to our American 
puritan-based roots which create self-talk that says...we know it's wrong 
but we can't help ourselves. ).

But, let us say there is a woman - understanding there can be physical lust. 
 And of course he (the enlightened  man) is not going to violate any law and 
may 
have a relationship with his wife and produce children.  But, this biological 
lust is really really little (Yeah, right)  - and can be a good solution to 
population problems (Please, stop).

But, then let us say there is a person - an enlightened person - and there is a 
woman going there and there is physical lust.   After she moves away from the 
range of vision - it's gone - he cannot think about her (I think he's trying to 
say that an enlightened man stays in the moment).

Lust came, lust went - that's all.  It will not cause a problem (It might for 
the woman...stereotypical male statement).  But, the other (unenlightened man) 
will be thinking ofwill go off and chase.that does not happen for the 
enlightened person (Yeah, like celebrities. Women come to them.)  

After this week of reading all your posts, I might beg to differ on that point, 
but never mind me, I'm an unenlightened, depressed, stressed, fear-based, 
shame-based, slightly overweight, immuno-compromised, middle-aged, woman.  Whew 
- now there's a good visual.   Luckily, my personal version of the 
hopey-changey  
thing is beginning to work for me.  I don't always know what FFL is saying, but 
what I'm hearing is: It's  o.k., you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have lust?

2011-11-11 Thread Denise Evans 
Damn, it always gets back to for the enlightened one...  I'll have to 
make more of an effort to become enlightened in my next life.  



From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person 
have lust?


  
Denise,

Yes - What Sri Bhagwan says is exactly what Osho would have said.

I have said before, but I would say that for an enlightened there is lust but 
there is no pain and suffering. Animal-like, animals have sex but it's not 
mental, it's not in the mind (which Sri Bhagwan referred to as psychological), 
they don't suffer from guilt, shame.


In the absence of beliefs such as sex is sin - sex is seen for what it is just 
a biological need. No shame, no guilt, no archetypal guilt of abuser or being 
abused, hence no pain or suffering.




From: Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 11:02:09 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have 
lust?

  
This conversation has been kicked around plenty and is now passe.  However, I'm 
sending this anyway.  I simply could  not understand Sri Bhagavan on the video 
John sent so I decided to transcribe him and then I had to comment below 
because it was so non-sensical.  I did understand OSHO - his word choices came 
across more clearly and he was far funnier, I must say.  

Sri Bhagavan and OSHO are trying to say the same thing...are they not?  If one 
pulls way up and doesn't getting confused by the minutia or their personal 
beliefs [such as OSHO stating that God raped the Virgin Mary and marriage 
inhibits freedom (paraphrased)]?  

Sri Bhagavan speaks more indirectly.  I think he may be trying to cater to the 
American puritan roots and his ability with the English language may be 
inhibiting clear thought presentation as well. OSHO always has a crazy look in 
his eye and had me ROTFLMAO, if for no other reason than the pure irreverence 
of his statements.  


Word Up... Who has time for all that psychological romance stuff. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZjAantupsA


SRI BHAGAVAN - transcribed

Question: Does lust exist for an enlightened person?

Answer:  Enlightened people can also have children, like unenlightened people.  
(Meaning that enlightened people can procreate...obviously - it's a biological 
function.)

If an enlightened person has got lust, we can talk about lust, biologicallust.  
In normal people, it is psychological lust. (Biological/psychological...it's 
all interrelated and it's all biological because that's the way the hormones 
work in the body. He's parsing to make a point, which is that enlightened 
people can have lust too, so yes, John, please feel free to sleep with your 
wife this week too :).  He's just trying to create an artificial boundary in 
order to keep the enlightened man in a separate category.) 

For the enlightened person, it is more animal like, it is just part of the 
body, that's all (I think that perhaps what he is really trying to say is that 
the enlightened man realizes that consciousness encompasses (wrong word 
choice?) the body and that the body comes with animal instinctsyes, my kids 
started learning how their body works in elementary school..no big aha moment 
here.)

Now, the unenlightened person can sit alone and be thinking about lust (Yes, 
she can). 

The enlightened man cannot do that because the mind doesn't come up with 
supporting pictures. (Yeah, right - FFL is a good example of the truth of this 
statement.) So, there is no mental lust or psychological lust.  (Again, it's 
all the same thing so yes, there is.  He's also speaking to our American 
puritan-based roots which create self-talk that says...we know it's wrong 
but we can't help ourselves. ).

But, let us say there is a woman - understanding there can be physical lust.  
And of course he (the enlightened man) is not going to violate any law and may 
have a relationship with his wife and produce children.  But, this biological 
lust is really really little (Yeah, right)  - and can be a good solution to 
population problems (Please, stop).

But, then let us say there is a person - an enlightened person - and there is a 
woman going there and there is physical lust.  After she moves away from the 
range of vision - it's gone - he cannot think about her (I think he's trying to 
say that an enlightened man stays in the moment).

Lust came, lust went - that's all.  It will not cause a problem (It might for 
the woman...stereotypical male statement).  But, the other (unenlightened man) 
will be thinking ofwill go off and chase.that does not happen for the 
enlightened person (Yeah, like celebrities. Women come to them.)  

After this week of reading all your posts, I might beg to differ on that point

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have lust?

2011-11-11 Thread Ravi Yogi 
Dear Denise,

FWIW I don't say anything anything that's not my experience. I kept my fucking 
mouth shut for 38 years - in fact I thought it was stupid to engage in 
spiritual 
discussions.

My experiences on sex match Sri Bhagwan and Osho say. I was tremendously 
blessed 
by the existence to marry a woman who made me feel like an abuser, pimp for 
daring to even entertain the thoughts of having sex with my own wife.

I was extremely virile, with strong sexual desire but for me sex always 
followed 
love so I couldn't beg my ex for sex, I was too proud nor was I like John, 
Willytex to force myself on her because I had a fucking license to sleep with 
her.

I suffered tremendously with shame, guilt, my sexual fantasies. Not to talk 
about the anger, bitterness I felt at being constantly rejected of the 
tremendous love and attraction I felt for my ex.

I was forced to internalize them and through the grace of Mother Kali power 
heal 
and ascend.

You can't blame for that can you? My ex was only Guru.

Love - Ravi




From: Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 11:43:00 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person 
have 
lust?

   
Damn, it always gets back to for the enlightened one...  I'll have to 
make 
more of an effort to become enlightened in my next life.  



From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person 
have 
lust?


  
Denise,

Yes - What Sri Bhagwan says is exactly what Osho would have said.

I have said before, but I would say that for an enlightened there is lust but 
there is no pain and suffering. Animal-like, animals have sex but it's not 
mental, it's not in the mind (which Sri Bhagwan referred to as psychological), 
they don't suffer from guilt,  shame.


In the absence of beliefs such as sex is sin - sex is seen for what it is just 
a 
biological need. No shame, no guilt, no archetypal guilt of abuser or being 
abused, hence no pain or suffering.




From: Denise Evans dmevans...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 11, 2011 11:02:09 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: [Fairfield Life] Can an enlightened person have 
lust?

  
This conversation has been kicked around plenty and is now passe.  However, I'm 
sending this anyway.  I simply could  not understand Sri Bhagavan on the video 
John sent so I decided to transcribe him and then I had to comment below 
because 
it was so non-sensical.  I did understand OSHO - his word choices came across 
more clearly and he was far funnier, I must say.  

Sri Bhagavan and OSHO are trying to say the same thing...are they not?  If one 
pulls way up and doesn't getting confused by the minutia or their personal 
beliefs [such as OSHO stating  that God raped the Virgin Mary and marriage 
inhibits freedom  (paraphrased)]?  

Sri Bhagavan speaks more indirectly.  I think he may be trying to cater to the 
American puritan roots and his ability with the English language may be 
inhibiting clear thought presentation as well. OSHO always has a crazy look in 
his eye and had me ROTFLMAO, if for no other reason than the pure irreverence 
of 
his statements.  


Word Up... Who has time for all that  psychological romance stuff. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZjAantupsA


SRI BHAGAVAN - transcribed

Question: Does lust exist for an enlightened person?

Answer:  Enlightened people can also have children, like unenlightened people.  
 (Meaning that enlightened people can procreate...obviously - it's a biological 
function.)

If an enlightened person  has got lust, we can talk about lust, biologicallust. 
 In normal people, it is psychological lust. (Biological/psychological...it's 
all interrelated and it's all biological because that's the way the hormones 
work in the body. He's parsing to make a point, which is that enlightened 
people 
can have lust too, so  yes, John, please feel free to sleep with  your wife 
this 
week too :).  He's just trying to create an artificial boundary in order to 
keep 
the enlightened man in a separate category.) 

For the enlightened person, it is more animal like, it is just part of the 
body, 
that's all (I think that perhaps what he is really trying to say is that the 
enlightened man realizes that consciousness encompasses (wrong word choice?) 
the 
body and that the body comes with animal instinctsyes, my kids started 
learning how their body works in elementary school..no big aha moment  here.)

Now,  the unenlightened person can sit alone and be thinking about lust (Yes, 
she can). 

The enlightened man cannot do that because the mind doesn't come up with 
supporting pictures. (Yeah, right - FFL is a good