[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
True student teacher relationships are equal and respectful, though these are rare in the realms of spiritual groups or most any other organization. Maya rules. Bill --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Yeah William, we wouldn't want to destroy the student/teacher unequal relationship, would we? We wouldn't want to let others know that self-realization can be achieved by anybody, would we? Better to keep everything hidden and secretive, unless we charge them money, sex, or power to share it. THAT'S the way social progress is achieved, huh? What a steaming pile of uncompassionate dung, William. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William monroe1@ wrote: I think that this tale points out the short comings of the TM teachings and path. The focus is so much on personal experience that those who have some experience or perception out of the ordinary, feel special. This specialness and achievement is a focus of the TM philosophy. What would you expect to happen? Most true spiritual teachings teach humility and compassion, if you have experiences you should keep them to yourself or maybe share them with your teacher. This focus on experience and achievement increases ego and narcissism. The experiences, perceptions and realizations can be true, how we relate to them and process them makes all the difference. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: The example of a possibly enlightened person being featured in a weekly TV series on national television in the US presents us with a remarkable opportunity. In Enlightened, the character of Amy shows us a person who was obviously, certifiably crazy (she was, in fact, certified -- legally forced to seek therapy) having a subjective experience that she associates with enlightenment, and then afterwards expects people around her to react to how she feels inside rather than how she acts on the outside, in real life. She considers herself an agent of change, and expects everyone around her TO change, just as a result of coming into contact with her. I think this fictional situation really begs to be compared TO real life, and how three other people have acted on the outside in real life, both in Fairfield and here on FFL. Let's compare Amy to Robin, Jim, and Ravi. Robin is pretty much yer classic spiritual crazy. Back in the day, he had some subjective experiences that he interpreted as enlightenment, and felt (and acted) as if everyone around him should react to his pronouncement of his own enlightenment not only as if him saying it was true made it true, but as if now he was some kind of special person, one whose words had weight, and should be listened to and paid attention to as if he were really, really, REALLY special -- one of the enlightened whose wordiness is next to Godliness. We all know how that worked out. Most people laughed at him. Heck, even Maharishi -- who he was expecting to climb onto the Robin is enlightened bus and support him -- regarded him as a crazy person. So how did he react to that? He acted even crazier. We are talking, after all, about someone so crazy and so convinced that everyone should regard what he said as Truth that he rented a plane and dropped leaflets of his own tracts on MIU. Crazy. Bedbug crazy. And now, years later, having disavowed the enlightened thang but still as narcissistic as it gets and still as convinced of his own specialnessitude, he writes long, long, long solipcistic tracts here and *still* expects everyone to not only read them, but treat them as the Truth he is convinced they are. If anyone (such as myself, or Tom, or others) suggests that he's still more than a little bedbug crazy, he lashes out at them and tries to portray them negatively and demonize them. THIS is the model of enlightened behavior that Robin presents to the world, and to us. Now think Jim Flanegin. When he first appeared on FFL, pronouncing *his* enlightenment, he was laughed at, too. Suffice it to say he reacted...uh...badly. He launched into long, abusive tirades against anyone who failed to believe in his enlightenmentnessitude, so much so that he embarrassed himself thoroughly and finally skulked off of the forum in disgrace. Then, not content with that, he came back two more times, anonymously. He made up new screen names and pretended that they weren't really him, and started the same abusive routine again, consistently lashing out at those who failed to treat him the way someone enlightened should be treated. Busted on both of those attempts to conceal his identity, now he's back in a fourth incarnation on FFL, *still* being easily the person on this forum whose buttons are most easily pushed, still lashing out at anyone who challenges either
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Is your rising sign Dhanu? Chandra in Kanya? (I am checking the time zone, that is why I ask.) Yes Obbaji, there's just one TZ for entire India and no DST to worry about - Lagna around 25 deg in Dhanu. Oh good. 24:29 Dhanu for you. Do you wish for me to expound upon your deepest desires or tendencies for all of FFL to see? Gee thanks Obbaji - not sure what purpose that would serve - everyone has desires and tendencies, but not a problem - all my private life details are already quite public as it is :-) You have Shani taking your Chandra for a ride as we speak, as Shani transits within one degree from moon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcwlGjDNkkw tell your wife to please hug you and understand your position! If she left for India, tell her soon you can join together again. haha Your Shukra in the romantic heart, words of love, your Mangal, uh..no comment, you dog you. Guru loves you, but you fight Guru as this is not a secret (Lord of 1st in 12th). haha. I know that Shukra very well. Two people close to me have the Kanya Chandra and you must be on a Merry Go Round http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_ZCOEeM-QI (Care Bear Share) right now, the past couple of years! I salute and bow to you, dear Ravi. Group hug to Ravi! Disclaimer: This is not a prediction from an expert. No need for hugs though, I am in a big hug with everyone since Saturn started. You are spot on about Shukra, Mangal and Guru though not on Saturn. Saturn's been incredibly good - spiritually (that's what I care anyway), inspite of the Sade Sati - my brother-in-law said the 2nd return's good for money and I have been making my highest ever. However just to remind you again I have been mostly single for the last 3 years. I was thinking you could comment on Saturn's return to Tula for my chart. Anyway I can return the favor if you would like to share your chart - in public or in private.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Is your rising sign Dhanu? Chandra in Kanya? (I am checking the time zone, that is why I ask.) Yes Obbaji, there's just one TZ for entire India and no DST to worry about - Lagna around 25 deg in Dhanu. Oh good. 24:29 Dhanu for you. Do you wish for me to expound upon your deepest desires or tendencies for all of FFL to see? Gee thanks Obbaji - not sure what purpose that would serve - everyone has desires and tendencies, but not a problem - all my private life details are already quite public as it is :-) You have Shani taking your Chandra for a ride as we speak, as Shani transits within one degree from moon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcwlGjDNkkw tell your wife to please hug you and understand your position! If she left for India, tell her soon you can join together again. haha Your Shukra in the romantic heart, words of love, your Mangal, uh..no comment, you dog you. Guru loves you, but you fight Guru as this is not a secret (Lord of 1st in 12th). haha. I know that Shukra very well. Two people close to me have the Kanya Chandra and you must be on a Merry Go Round http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_ZCOEeM-QI (Care Bear Share) right now, the past couple of years! I salute and bow to you, dear Ravi. Group hug to Ravi! Disclaimer: This is not a prediction from an expert. No need for hugs though, I am in a big hug with everyone since Saturn started. You are spot on about Shukra, Mangal and Guru though not on Saturn. Saturn's been incredibly good - spiritually (that's what I care anyway), inspite of the Sade Sati - my brother-in-law said the 2nd return's good for money and I have been making my highest ever. However just to remind you again I have been mostly single for the last 3 years. I was thinking you could comment on Saturn's return to Tula for my chart. Anyway I can return the favor if you would like to share your chart - in public or in private. One can not take more than they give in a hug, therefore if you are a big hug since Shani, it is no less the same as a group hug for Ravi. : ) I kind of decided it would be best not to talk about your personal life on FFL, the ratings may shoot through the roof..not enough bandwidth to handle that. lol. Shani going into your 11th (Tula), that is an auspicious house. Things will be better than now, for sure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: Ravi, Y meant YMCA; They have large clean lecture rooms---priced to sell.  Lives in the Shadow with J. Krishnamurti- by Radha Rajagopal Sloss This one is interesting because its by, and about, people who knew and loved him as a complete human being--- with his flaws as well as his greatness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalind_Rajagopal As mentioned, there are a number about his early life I think you'd like. I'll try dig up some titles. Looking forward to meeting you Ravi, instincts to sing and dance like Freddie, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E-WasNzVpIfeature=relmfu makes Bobaji wish for that hurried moment, you Indian devil you. LOL.. On the video, hard to tell who will rock like Freddie - Bob or I. I have always admired Bobaji since I attacked him and he responded in kind. I would always be eagerly waiting for his comebacks and he made me work hard, since I'm nowhere as creative as him. I had to rely on the existence/silence to bail me out with good comebacks to him. So both Bob and Curtis have my admiration for standing up tall to my bullying abuse :-) P.S time to reveal your first name, Obba ain't cutting it. To the pathetic bunch of SOBS, you dudes are some of the most creative and belly bursting tickle maker's I have had the pleasure to spit the masala chai on my keyboard for. I lack the creative power gods you dudes tap into each day by releasing from your mantras. Call me numb, but not blond yet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH3Q_CZy968 Shani must make its transit into Tula before I could give a hint of a name, because Shani has beaten me down with a stick and stripped me of all my material grab for anything except the absolute. Shani has molded me to who I am and to become. I bow to this lord of dark. It is apparent, the whisper of the word must remain as such. I am bound by this cocoon to only hear the flutter of your wings soaring the heights of heaven and back, and without those in flight, I must say the ambition to seek the same like attainment would dwindle. Please keep me company with my slanderous blurts until I can be free. : ) From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 2:18:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People Dear Bob - thanks again for all the wonderful places you have suggested. I'm too laid back (read lazy) to really get around out to it on my own - the most I would do is a sunset at the beach. It's still a new place and don't have any close friends to go along with. But it's much appreciated. I will try Ojai and K's books as well - I'm sure it will be interesting. And with regards to your below comments... ***I was serious, in some ways your Enlightenment story is quite traditional---for both Eastern and Western paths. An advantage you have is that you are a natural performer with a sense of humor, I'm sure you've noticed that's more than half the gig. With all the posting you've done and the transcripts from your BatGap interview you have the beginning of a manuscript, just needs to be shaken into a more traditional narrative; you could get it ghosted. You can also job out the media relations (particularly if you have a book) to fill some rooms. I would definitely not be surprised if i walked by a Y and saw you were speaking that night. walked by a Y? - what would be a Y? Thanks for the compliments, you are right on the money here - indeed I view myself as an entertainer and people enjoy my sense of irreverent playful humor but that only happens when I end up being around people, I don't go too out of my way. I have definitely seem some serious people on Batgap - it seemed they had declared enlightenment out of sheer boredom :-). Anyway I am too lazy to take initiative and sell myself, not even sure what I'm selling or even if I'm interested in selling anything at all. I am more interested in sharing my experiences in the hope it may be of some value to someone, I have a high paying job (which I have no interest in but have to continue for my obligations to my family and till the kids are at least adults) but it discounts the need for any monetary benefit, though money has never fascinated me beyond a useful utility, and soon after my experiences I renounced all my savings and my kids to my ex to be on my own. Anyway like I said it would have to happen on its own, on existence's initiative, on someone else's initiative, I'm in no hurry
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
Ravi, Thanks for this. I'm pleased with this new phase of our relationship; I think you know, I've always admired your posts. If there is a God--- I know he has a sense of humor. I enjoyed the book at this link as well as the one by Evelyne Blau. A number of others are excellent as well. http://books.google.com/books?id=lhPFWXgxQCkCsource=gbs_similarbooks The period I wanted to point you too is August, 1922. This is the period that K's experience reminds me of some of your descriptions, of some of your experiences. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiddu_Krishnamurti In Ojai, you can visit his home and the room he had many of these experiences in. From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 9:32:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: Ravi, Y meant YMCA; They have large clean lecture rooms---priced to sell.  Lives in the Shadow with J. Krishnamurti- by Radha Rajagopal Sloss This one is interesting because its by, and about, people who knew and loved him as a complete human being--- with his flaws as well as his greatness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalind_Rajagopal As mentioned, there are a number about his early life I think you'd like. I'll try dig up some titles. Looking forward to meeting you Ravi, instincts to sing and dance like Freddie, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E-WasNzVpIfeature=relmfu makes Bobaji wish for that hurried moment, you Indian devil you. LOL.. On the video, hard to tell who will rock like Freddie - Bob or I. I have always admired Bobaji since I attacked him and he responded in kind. I would always be eagerly waiting for his comebacks and he made me work hard, since I'm nowhere as creative as him. I had to rely on the existence/silence to bail me out with good comebacks to him. So both Bob and Curtis have my admiration for standing up tall to my bullying abuse :-) P.S time to reveal your first name, Obba ain't cutting it. From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 2:18:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People Dear Bob - thanks again for all the wonderful places you have suggested. I'm too laid back (read lazy) to really get around out to it on my own - the most I would do is a sunset at the beach. It's still a new place and don't have any close friends to go along with. But it's much appreciated. I will try Ojai and K's books as well - I'm sure it will be interesting. And with regards to your below comments... ***I was serious, in some ways your Enlightenment story is quite traditional---for both Eastern and Western paths. An advantage you have is that you are a natural performer with a sense of humor, I'm sure you've noticed that's more than half the gig. With all the posting you've done and the transcripts from your BatGap interview you have the beginning of a manuscript, just needs to be shaken into a more traditional narrative; you could get it ghosted. You can also job out the media relations (particularly if you have a book) to fill some rooms. I would definitely not be surprised if i walked by a Y and saw you were speaking that night. walked by a Y? - what would be a Y? Thanks for the compliments, you are right on the money here - indeed I view myself as an entertainer and people enjoy my sense of irreverent playful humor but that only happens when I end up being around people, I don't go too out of my way. I have definitely seem some serious people on Batgap - it seemed they had declared enlightenment out of sheer boredom :-). Anyway I am too lazy to take initiative and sell myself, not even sure what I'm selling or even if I'm interested in selling anything at all. I am more interested in sharing my experiences in the hope it may be of some value to someone, I have a high paying job (which I have no interest in but have to continue for my obligations to my family and till the kids are at least adults) but it discounts the need for any monetary benefit, though money has never fascinated me beyond a useful utility, and soon after my experiences I renounced all my savings and my kids to my ex to be on my own. Anyway like I said it would have to happen on its own, on existence's initiative, on someone else's initiative, I'm in no hurry. Thanks for the excellent suggestions though - shows your savvy entertainer/businessman skills. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote:   Ravi, I corrected a typo I made below---its late! Â
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
Bob, I'm pretty delighted myself, not that I'm surprised at all :-). Agree - I think God would have a sense of humor, plus the ability to mock him/herself and his/her creation. I will look at the links that you have provided, I would be definitely be interested in K's experiences. Wait a second, I just remembered reading K's experiences here - (this was something I found as I tried to make sense of my own experiences) http://www.critpsynet.freeuk.com/KUNDALIN.htm http://www.critpsynet.freeuk.com/KUNDALIN.htm I have been meaning to order this book for a while - Isabel Clarke (ed.), Psychosis and Spirituality: Exploring the New Frontier, Whurr Publishers, London, 2001 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Ravi, Thanks for this. I'm pleased with this new phase of our relationship; I think you know, I've always admired your posts. If there is a God--- I know he has a sense of humor. I enjoyed the book at this link as well as the one by Evelyne Blau. A number of others are excellent as well. http://books.google.com/books?id=lhPFWXgxQCkCsource=gbs_similarbooks The period I wanted to point you too is August, 1922. This is the period that K's experience reminds me of some of your descriptions, of some of your experiences. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiddu_Krishnamurti In Ojai, you can visit his home and the room he had many of these experiences in. From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 9:32:30 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: Ravi, Y meant YMCA; They have large clean lecture rooms---priced to sell. àLives in the Shadow with J. Krishnamurti- by Radha Rajagopal Sloss This one is interesting because its by, and about, people who knew and loved him as a complete human being--- with his flaws as well as his greatness.àhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalind_Rajagopal As mentioned, there are a number about his early life I think you'd like. I'll try dig up some titles.àLooking forward to meeting you   Ravi, instincts to sing and dance like Freddie, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E-WasNzVpIfeature=relmfu makes Bobaji wish for that hurried moment, you Indian devil you. LOL.. On the video, hard to tell who will rock like Freddie - Bob or I. I have always admired Bobaji since I attacked him and he responded in kind. I would always be eagerly waiting for his comebacks and he made me work hard, since I'm nowhere as creative as him. I had to rely on the existence/silence to bail me out with good comebacks to him. So both Bob and Curtis have my admiration for standing up tall to my bullying abuse :-) P.S time to reveal your first name, Obba ain't cutting it. From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 2:18:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People Dear Bob - thanks again for all the wonderful places you have suggested. I'm too laid back (read lazy) to really get around out to it on my own - the most I would do is a sunset at the beach. It's still a new place and don't have any close friends to go along with. But it's much appreciated. I will try Ojai and K's books as well - I'm sure it will be interesting. And with regards to your below comments... ***I was serious, in some ways your Enlightenment story is quite traditional---for both Eastern and Western paths. An advantage you have is that you are a natural performer with a sense of humor, I'm sure you've noticed that's more than half the gig. With all the posting you've done and the transcripts from your BatGap interview you have the beginning of a manuscript, just needs to be shaken into a more traditional narrative; you could get it ghosted. You can also job out the media relations (particularly if you have a book) to fill some rooms. I would definitely not be surprised if i walked by a Y and saw you were speaking that night. walked by a Y? - what would be a Y? Thanks for the compliments, you are right on the money here - indeed I view myself as an entertainer and people enjoy my sense of irreverent playful humor but that only happens when I end up being around people, I don't go too out of my way. I have definitely seem some serious people on Batgap - it seemed they had declared enlightenment out of sheer boredom :-). Anyway I am too lazy to take initiative and sell myself, not even sure what I'm selling or even if I'm interested in selling anything at all. I am more interested in sharing my experiences in the hope it may be of some value to someone, I have a high paying job (which I have
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: Ravi, Y meant YMCA; They have large clean lecture rooms---priced to sell.  Lives in the Shadow with J. Krishnamurti- by Radha Rajagopal Sloss This one is interesting because its by, and about, people who knew and loved him as a complete human being--- with his flaws as well as his greatness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalind_Rajagopal As mentioned, there are a number about his early life I think you'd like. I'll try dig up some titles. Looking forward to meeting you Ravi, instincts to sing and dance like Freddie, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E-WasNzVpIfeature=relmfu makes Bobaji wish for that hurried moment, you Indian devil you. LOL.. On the video, hard to tell who will rock like Freddie - Bob or I. I have always admired Bobaji since I attacked him and he responded in kind. I would always be eagerly waiting for his comebacks and he made me work hard, since I'm nowhere as creative as him. I had to rely on the existence/silence to bail me out with good comebacks to him. So both Bob and Curtis have my admiration for standing up tall to my bullying abuse :-) P.S time to reveal your first name, Obba ain't cutting it. To the pathetic bunch of SOBS, you dudes are some of the most creative and belly bursting tickle maker's I have had the pleasure to spit the masala chai on my keyboard for. I lack the creative power gods you dudes tap into each day by releasing from your mantras. Call me numb, but not blond yet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH3Q_CZy968 Shani must make its transit into Tula before I could give a hint of a name, because Shani has beaten me down with a stick and stripped me of all my material grab for anything except the absolute. Shani has molded me to who I am and to become. I bow to this lord of dark. It is apparent, the whisper of the word must remain as such. I am bound by this cocoon to only hear the flutter of your wings soaring the heights of heaven and back, and without those in flight, I must say the ambition to seek the same like attainment would dwindle. Please keep me company with my slanderous blurts until I can be free. : ) Obba, I didn't realize that asking for your first name would trigger such emotions..:-). Remember you are no less creative. What's another 29 days huh? I can wait until Saturn ingresses Libra. Saturn has a very special place in my chart too and I suspect there will be changes in my life as well? It was 2 months before Saturn Mahadasa started that I had my experiences and with Saturn everything in my life changed very dramatically - you might want to look if you interested - Jan 19, 1971 06:58 AM - Jammu, India 32N42, 74E52 - 5:30.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: Ravi, Y meant YMCA; They have large clean lecture rooms---priced to sell.  Lives in the Shadow with J. Krishnamurti- by Radha Rajagopal Sloss This one is interesting because its by, and about, people who knew and loved him as a complete human being--- with his flaws as well as his greatness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalind_Rajagopal As mentioned, there are a number about his early life I think you'd like. I'll try dig up some titles. Looking forward to meeting you Ravi, instincts to sing and dance like Freddie, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E-WasNzVpIfeature=relmfu makes Bobaji wish for that hurried moment, you Indian devil you. LOL.. On the video, hard to tell who will rock like Freddie - Bob or I. I have always admired Bobaji since I attacked him and he responded in kind. I would always be eagerly waiting for his comebacks and he made me work hard, since I'm nowhere as creative as him. I had to rely on the existence/silence to bail me out with good comebacks to him. So both Bob and Curtis have my admiration for standing up tall to my bullying abuse :-) P.S time to reveal your first name, Obba ain't cutting it. To the pathetic bunch of SOBS, you dudes are some of the most creative and belly bursting tickle maker's I have had the pleasure to spit the masala chai on my keyboard for. I lack the creative power gods you dudes tap into each day by releasing from your mantras. Call me numb, but not blond yet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH3Q_CZy968 Shani must make its transit into Tula before I could give a hint of a name, because Shani has beaten me down with a stick and stripped me of all my material grab for anything except the absolute. Shani has molded me to who I am and to become. I bow to this lord of dark. It is apparent, the whisper of the word must remain as such. I am bound by this cocoon to only hear the flutter of your wings soaring the heights of heaven and back, and without those in flight, I must say the ambition to seek the same like attainment would dwindle. Please keep me company with my slanderous blurts until I can be free. : ) Obba, I didn't realize that asking for your first name would trigger such emotions..:-). Remember you are no less creative. What's another 29 days huh? I can wait until Saturn ingresses Libra. Saturn has a very special place in my chart too and I suspect there will be changes in my life as well? It was 2 months before Saturn Mahadasa started that I had my experiences and with Saturn everything in my life changed very dramatically - you might want to look if you interested - Jan 19, 1971 06:58 AM - Jammu, India 32N42, 74E52 - 5:30. Is your rising sign Dhanu? Chandra in Kanya? (I am checking the time zone, that is why I ask.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: To the pathetic bunch of SOBS, you dudes are some of the most creative and belly bursting tickle maker's I have had the pleasure to spit the masala chai on my keyboard for. I lack the creative power gods you dudes tap into each day by releasing from your mantras. Call me numb, but not blond yet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH3Q_CZy968 Shani must make its transit into Tula before I could give a hint of a name, because Shani has beaten me down with a stick and stripped me of all my material grab for anything except the absolute. Shani has molded me to who I am and to become. I bow to this lord of dark. It is apparent, the whisper of the word must remain as such. I am bound by this cocoon to only hear the flutter of your wings soaring the heights of heaven and back, and without those in flight, I must say the ambition to seek the same like attainment would dwindle. Please keep me company with my slanderous blurts until I can be free. : ) Obba, I didn't realize that asking for your first name would trigger such emotions..:-). Remember you are no less creative. What's another 29 days huh? I can wait until Saturn ingresses Libra. Saturn has a very special place in my chart too and I suspect there will be changes in my life as well? It was 2 months before Saturn Mahadasa started that I had my experiences and with Saturn everything in my life changed very dramatically - you might want to look if you interested - Jan 19, 1971 06:58 AM - Jammu, India 32N42, 74E52 - 5:30. Is your rising sign Dhanu? Chandra in Kanya? (I am checking the time zone, that is why I ask.) Yes Obbaji, there's just one TZ for entire India and no DST to worry about - Lagna around 25 deg in Dhanu.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: To the pathetic bunch of SOBS, you dudes are some of the most creative and belly bursting tickle maker's I have had the pleasure to spit the masala chai on my keyboard for. I lack the creative power gods you dudes tap into each day by releasing from your mantras. Call me numb, but not blond yet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH3Q_CZy968 Shani must make its transit into Tula before I could give a hint of a name, because Shani has beaten me down with a stick and stripped me of all my material grab for anything except the absolute. Shani has molded me to who I am and to become. I bow to this lord of dark. It is apparent, the whisper of the word must remain as such. I am bound by this cocoon to only hear the flutter of your wings soaring the heights of heaven and back, and without those in flight, I must say the ambition to seek the same like attainment would dwindle. Please keep me company with my slanderous blurts until I can be free. : ) Obba, I didn't realize that asking for your first name would trigger such emotions..:-). Remember you are no less creative. What's another 29 days huh? I can wait until Saturn ingresses Libra. Saturn has a very special place in my chart too and I suspect there will be changes in my life as well? It was 2 months before Saturn Mahadasa started that I had my experiences and with Saturn everything in my life changed very dramatically - you might want to look if you interested - Jan 19, 1971 06:58 AM - Jammu, India 32N42, 74E52 - 5:30. Is your rising sign Dhanu? Chandra in Kanya? (I am checking the time zone, that is why I ask.) Yes Obbaji, there's just one TZ for entire India and no DST to worry about - Lagna around 25 deg in Dhanu. Oh good. 24:29 Dhanu for you. Do you wish for me to expound upon your deepest desires or tendencies for all of FFL to see? You have Shani taking your Chandra for a ride as we speak, as Shani transits within one degree from moon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcwlGjDNkkw tell your wife to please hug you and understand your position! If she left for India, tell her soon you can join together again. haha Your Shukra in the romantic heart, words of love, your Mangal, uh..no comment, you dog you. Guru loves you, but you fight Guru as this is not a secret (Lord of 1st in 12th). haha. I know that Shukra very well. Two people close to me have the Kanya Chandra and you must be on a Merry Go Round http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_ZCOEeM-QI (Care Bear Share) right now, the past couple of years! I salute and bow to you, dear Ravi. Group hug to Ravi! Disclaimer: This is not a prediction from an expert.
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Dear Bob - thanks again for all the wonderful places you have suggested. I'm too laid back (read lazy) to really get around out to it on my own - the most I would do is a sunset at the beach. It's still a new place and don't have any close friends to go along with. But it's much appreciated. I will try Ojai and K's books as well - I'm sure it will be interesting. And with regards to your below comments... ***I was serious, in some ways your Enlightenment story is quite traditional---for both Eastern and Western paths. An advantage you have is that you are a natural performer with a sense of humor, I'm sure you've noticed that's more than half the gig. With all the posting you've done and the transcripts from your BatGap interview you have the beginning of a manuscript, just needs to be shaken into a more traditional narrative; you could get it ghosted. You can also job out the media relations (particularly if you have a book) to fill some rooms. I would definitely not be surprised if i walked by a Y and saw you were speaking that night. walked by a Y? - what would be a Y? Thanks for the compliments, you are right on the money here - indeed I view myself as an entertainer and people enjoy my sense of irreverent playful humor but that only happens when I end up being around people, I don't go too out of my way. I have definitely seem some serious people on Batgap - it seemed they had declared enlightenment out of sheer boredom :-). Anyway I am too lazy to take initiative and sell myself, not even sure what I'm selling or even if I'm interested in selling anything at all. I am more interested in sharing my experiences in the hope it may be of some value to someone, I have a high paying job (which I have no interest in but have to continue for my obligations to my family and till the kids are at least adults) but it discounts the need for any monetary benefit, though money has never fascinated me beyond a useful utility, and soon after my experiences I renounced all my savings and my kids to my ex to be on my own. Anyway like I said it would have to happen on its own, on existence's initiative, on someone else's initiative, I'm in no hurry. Thanks for the excellent suggestions though - shows your savvy entertainer/businessman skills. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Ravi, I corrected a typo I made below---its late! Bob - thank you, gosh that's a lot to digest. When I said I was moving to LA friends suggested Venice and I can see why, it has a lot of charm and beauty. I did end up in Venice, only for a couple of weeks though but I did enjoy the beach, women, the boardwalk and spent some time at the Hare Krishna temple on Rose. (even though their teaching are completely alien to me, I always prefer music and dance to abstract meditations) ***There are a number of great massage places on Main. If you're in a hurry, there is one just before the yoga studio on Main, near Rose. If you want something exceptional try: Tao Healing..., farther down Main, a few blocks before Pico. http://www.themassageplaces.com/ http://www.thaconline.com/ I am not sure how long I would be around here but I would definitely love to meet you when you are here so do let me know. ***Definitely will. Thanks for the great tips, videos and history - that helps. You have an amazing knack of coming up with right videos - you obviously have lot of interest in movies. About Krishnamurti - I haven't visited Ojai. I was interested in his experiences but didn't find much detail online. I don't know if you realized that I am a Telugu Brahmin like JK. JK reminds me of my grand fathers and uncles, very eccentric, caustic, sarcastic and intellectual. ***I knew you were both Brahmin, not surprised the link is even closer. I believe K helped me a great deal at a time I needed it. I don't think he was perfect, but who is. I really recommend books about his early life, up to 1940, that is where I see similarities in your experience. Most of the books available are just transcripts of his talks, I enjoy them, but I think you'd get more about his earlier life---particularly if the authors are Indian, like a number of them are. Highly recommend Ojai, if you can get there for a weekend. I attended a couple of week long talks of his in the 70's and still go back to enjoy the place. The oak grove, he spoke in, is very beautiful. UG Krishnamurti was another, I truly can't disagree when they say that cause and effect doesn't apply to enlightenment and that there's not much that can be done. But a successful Guru should be a good con artist too, give seekers techniques, service projects etc to keep them engaged till that time. ***I tried, but couldn't get into UG. No wonder Telugu Brahmins rarely make good teachers :-) . I have no doubt JK was enlightened but my path has been to reject that
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Ravi, Y meant YMCA; They have large clean lecture rooms---priced to sell. Lives in the Shadow with J. Krishnamurti- by Radha Rajagopal Sloss This one is interesting because its by, and about, people who knew and loved him as a complete human being--- with his flaws as well as his greatness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalind_Rajagopal As mentioned, there are a number about his early life I think you'd like. I'll try dig up some titles. Looking forward to meeting you From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 2:18:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People Dear Bob - thanks again for all the wonderful places you have suggested. I'm too laid back (read lazy) to really get around out to it on my own - the most I would do is a sunset at the beach. It's still a new place and don't have any close friends to go along with. But it's much appreciated. I will try Ojai and K's books as well - I'm sure it will be interesting. And with regards to your below comments... ***I was serious, in some ways your Enlightenment story is quite traditional---for both Eastern and Western paths. An advantage you have is that you are a natural performer with a sense of humor, I'm sure you've noticed that's more than half the gig. With all the posting you've done and the transcripts from your BatGap interview you have the beginning of a manuscript, just needs to be shaken into a more traditional narrative; you could get it ghosted. You can also job out the media relations (particularly if you have a book) to fill some rooms. I would definitely not be surprised if i walked by a Y and saw you were speaking that night. walked by a Y? - what would be a Y? Thanks for the compliments, you are right on the money here - indeed I view myself as an entertainer and people enjoy my sense of irreverent playful humor but that only happens when I end up being around people, I don't go too out of my way. I have definitely seem some serious people on Batgap - it seemed they had declared enlightenment out of sheer boredom :-). Anyway I am too lazy to take initiative and sell myself, not even sure what I'm selling or even if I'm interested in selling anything at all. I am more interested in sharing my experiences in the hope it may be of some value to someone, I have a high paying job (which I have no interest in but have to continue for my obligations to my family and till the kids are at least adults) but it discounts the need for any monetary benefit, though money has never fascinated me beyond a useful utility, and soon after my experiences I renounced all my savings and my kids to my ex to be on my own. Anyway like I said it would have to happen on its own, on existence's initiative, on someone else's initiative, I'm in no hurry. Thanks for the excellent suggestions though - shows your savvy entertainer/businessman skills. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Ravi, I corrected a typo I made below---its late! Bob - thank you, gosh that's a lot to digest. When I said I was moving to LA friends suggested Venice and I can see why, it has a lot of charm and beauty. I did end up in Venice, only for a couple of weeks though but I did enjoy the beach, women, the boardwalk and spent some time at the Hare Krishna temple on Rose. (even though their teaching are completely alien to me, I always prefer music and dance to abstract meditations) ***There are a number of great massage places on Main. If you're in a hurry, there is one just before the yoga studio on Main, near Rose. If you want something exceptional try: Tao Healing..., farther down Main, a few blocks before Pico. http://www.themassageplaces.com/ http://www.thaconline.com/ I am not sure how long I would be around here but I would definitely love to meet you when you are here so do let me know. ***Definitely will. Thanks for the great tips, videos and history - that helps. You have an amazing knack of coming up with right videos - you obviously have lot of interest in movies. About Krishnamurti - I haven't visited Ojai. I was interested in his experiences but didn't find much detail online. I don't know if you realized that I am a Telugu Brahmin like JK. JK reminds me of my grand fathers and uncles, very eccentric, caustic, sarcastic and intellectual. ***I knew you were both Brahmin, not surprised the link is even closer. I believe K helped me a great deal at a time I needed it. I don't think he was perfect, but who is. I really recommend books about his early life, up to 1940, that is where I see similarities in your experience. Most of the books available are just transcripts of his talks, I enjoy them, but I think you'd get more about his earlier life---particularly if the authors are Indian, like a number of them
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Ravi, Y meant YMCA; They have large clean lecture rooms---priced to sell.  Lives in the Shadow with J. Krishnamurti- by Radha Rajagopal Sloss This one is interesting because its by, and about, people who knew and loved him as a complete human being--- with his flaws as well as his greatness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalind_Rajagopal As mentioned, there are a number about his early life I think you'd like. I'll try dig up some titles. Looking forward to meeting you Ravi, instincts to sing and dance like Freddie, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E-WasNzVpIfeature=relmfu makes Bobaji wish for that hurried moment, you Indian devil you. From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 2:18:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People Dear Bob - thanks again for all the wonderful places you have suggested. I'm too laid back (read lazy) to really get around out to it on my own - the most I would do is a sunset at the beach. It's still a new place and don't have any close friends to go along with. But it's much appreciated. I will try Ojai and K's books as well - I'm sure it will be interesting. And with regards to your below comments... ***I was serious, in some ways your Enlightenment story is quite traditional---for both Eastern and Western paths. An advantage you have is that you are a natural performer with a sense of humor, I'm sure you've noticed that's more than half the gig. With all the posting you've done and the transcripts from your BatGap interview you have the beginning of a manuscript, just needs to be shaken into a more traditional narrative; you could get it ghosted. You can also job out the media relations (particularly if you have a book) to fill some rooms. I would definitely not be surprised if i walked by a Y and saw you were speaking that night. walked by a Y? - what would be a Y? Thanks for the compliments, you are right on the money here - indeed I view myself as an entertainer and people enjoy my sense of irreverent playful humor but that only happens when I end up being around people, I don't go too out of my way. I have definitely seem some serious people on Batgap - it seemed they had declared enlightenment out of sheer boredom :-). Anyway I am too lazy to take initiative and sell myself, not even sure what I'm selling or even if I'm interested in selling anything at all. I am more interested in sharing my experiences in the hope it may be of some value to someone, I have a high paying job (which I have no interest in but have to continue for my obligations to my family and till the kids are at least adults) but it discounts the need for any monetary benefit, though money has never fascinated me beyond a useful utility, and soon after my experiences I renounced all my savings and my kids to my ex to be on my own. Anyway like I said it would have to happen on its own, on existence's initiative, on someone else's initiative, I'm in no hurry. Thanks for the excellent suggestions though - shows your savvy entertainer/businessman skills. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote:   Ravi, I corrected a typo I made below---its late!     Bob - thank you, gosh that's a lot to digest. When I said I was moving to LA friends suggested Venice and I can see why, it has a lot of charm and beauty. I did end up in Venice, only for a couple of weeks though but I did enjoy the beach, women, the boardwalk and spent some time at the Hare Krishna temple on Rose. (even though their teaching are completely alien to me, I always prefer music and dance to abstract meditations)  ***There are a number of great massage places on Main. If you're in a hurry, there is one just before the yoga studio on Main, near Rose. If you want something exceptional try: Tao Healing..., farther down Main, a few blocks before Pico.  http://www.themassageplaces.com/  http://www.thaconline.com/  I am not sure how long I would be around here but I would definitely love to meet you when you are here so do let me know.  ***Definitely will.   Thanks for the great tips, videos and history - that helps. You have an amazing knack of coming up with right videos - you obviously have lot of interest in movies.  About Krishnamurti - I haven't visited Ojai. I was interested in his experiences but didn't find much detail online. I don't know if you realized that I am a Telugu Brahmin like JK. JK reminds me of my grand fathers and uncles, very eccentric, caustic, sarcastic and intellectual.à  ***I knew you were both Brahmin, not surprised the link is even closer. I believe K helped me a great
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Ravi, Y meant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9OO0S5w2k YMCA; They have large clean lecture rooms---priced to sell.  Lives in the Shadow with J. Krishnamurti- by Radha Rajagopal Sloss This one is interesting because its by, and about, people who knew and loved him as a complete human being--- with his flaws as well as his greatness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalind_Rajagopal As mentioned, there are a number about his early life I think you'd like. I'll try dig up some titles. Looking forward to meeting you From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 2:18:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People Dear Bob - thanks again for all the wonderful places you have suggested. I'm too laid back (read lazy) to really get around out to it on my own - the most I would do is a sunset at the beach. It's still a new place and don't have any close friends to go along with. But it's much appreciated. I will try Ojai and K's books as well - I'm sure it will be interesting. And with regards to your below comments... ***I was serious, in some ways your Enlightenment story is quite traditional---for both Eastern and Western paths. An advantage you have is that you are a natural performer with a sense of humor, I'm sure you've noticed that's more than half the gig. With all the posting you've done and the transcripts from your BatGap interview you have the beginning of a manuscript, just needs to be shaken into a more traditional narrative; you could get it ghosted. You can also job out the media relations (particularly if you have a book) to fill some rooms. I would definitely not be surprised if i walked by a Y and saw you were speaking that night. walked by a Y? - what would be a Y? Thanks for the compliments, you are right on the money here - indeed I view myself as an entertainer and people enjoy my sense of irreverent playful humor but that only happens when I end up being around people, I don't go too out of my way. I have definitely seem some serious people on Batgap - it seemed they had declared enlightenment out of sheer boredom :-). Anyway I am too lazy to take initiative and sell myself, not even sure what I'm selling or even if I'm interested in selling anything at all. I am more interested in sharing my experiences in the hope it may be of some value to someone, I have a high paying job (which I have no interest in but have to continue for my obligations to my family and till the kids are at least adults) but it discounts the need for any monetary benefit, though money has never fascinated me beyond a useful utility, and soon after my experiences I renounced all my savings and my kids to my ex to be on my own. Anyway like I said it would have to happen on its own, on existence's initiative, on someone else's initiative, I'm in no hurry. Thanks for the excellent suggestions though - shows your savvy entertainer/businessman skills. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote:   Ravi, I corrected a typo I made below---its late!     Bob - thank you, gosh that's a lot to digest. When I said I was moving to LA friends suggested Venice and I can see why, it has a lot of charm and beauty. I did end up in Venice, only for a couple of weeks though but I did enjoy the beach, women, the boardwalk and spent some time at the Hare Krishna temple on Rose. (even though their teaching are completely alien to me, I always prefer music and dance to abstract meditations)  ***There are a number of great massage places on Main. If you're in a hurry, there is one just before the yoga studio on Main, near Rose. If you want something exceptional try: Tao Healing..., farther down Main, a few blocks before Pico.  http://www.themassageplaces.com/  http://www.thaconline.com/  I am not sure how long I would be around here but I would definitely love to meet you when you are here so do let me know.  ***Definitely will.   Thanks for the great tips, videos and history - that helps. You have an amazing knack of coming up with right videos - you obviously have lot of interest in movies.  About Krishnamurti - I haven't visited Ojai. I was interested in his experiences but didn't find much detail online. I don't know if you realized that I am a Telugu Brahmin like JK. JK reminds me of my grand fathers and uncles, very eccentric, caustic, sarcastic and intellectual.à  ***I knew you were both Brahmin, not surprised the link is even closer. I believe K helped me a great deal at a time I needed it. I don't think he was perfect, but who is. I really recommend books about his early life, up to 1940
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
Bob, aah, Y for YMCA.. Thank you. The book by Radha should be interesting, her being Rosalind's daughter. Looking forward to meeting you as well !! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Ravi, Y meant YMCA; They have large clean lecture rooms---priced to sell.  Lives in the Shadow with J. Krishnamurti- by Radha Rajagopal Sloss This one is interesting because its by, and about, people who knew and loved him as a complete human being--- with his flaws as well as his greatness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalind_Rajagopal As mentioned, there are a number about his early life I think you'd like. I'll try dig up some titles. Looking forward to meeting you From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 2:18:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People Dear Bob - thanks again for all the wonderful places you have suggested. I'm too laid back (read lazy) to really get around out to it on my own - the most I would do is a sunset at the beach. It's still a new place and don't have any close friends to go along with. But it's much appreciated. I will try Ojai and K's books as well - I'm sure it will be interesting. And with regards to your below comments... ***I was serious, in some ways your Enlightenment story is quite traditional---for both Eastern and Western paths. An advantage you have is that you are a natural performer with a sense of humor, I'm sure you've noticed that's more than half the gig. With all the posting you've done and the transcripts from your BatGap interview you have the beginning of a manuscript, just needs to be shaken into a more traditional narrative; you could get it ghosted. You can also job out the media relations (particularly if you have a book) to fill some rooms. I would definitely not be surprised if i walked by a Y and saw you were speaking that night. walked by a Y? - what would be a Y? Thanks for the compliments, you are right on the money here - indeed I view myself as an entertainer and people enjoy my sense of irreverent playful humor but that only happens when I end up being around people, I don't go too out of my way. I have definitely seem some serious people on Batgap - it seemed they had declared enlightenment out of sheer boredom :-). Anyway I am too lazy to take initiative and sell myself, not even sure what I'm selling or even if I'm interested in selling anything at all. I am more interested in sharing my experiences in the hope it may be of some value to someone, I have a high paying job (which I have no interest in but have to continue for my obligations to my family and till the kids are at least adults) but it discounts the need for any monetary benefit, though money has never fascinated me beyond a useful utility, and soon after my experiences I renounced all my savings and my kids to my ex to be on my own. Anyway like I said it would have to happen on its own, on existence's initiative, on someone else's initiative, I'm in no hurry. Thanks for the excellent suggestions though - shows your savvy entertainer/businessman skills. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote:   Ravi, I corrected a typo I made below---its late!     Bob - thank you, gosh that's a lot to digest. When I said I was moving to LA friends suggested Venice and I can see why, it has a lot of charm and beauty. I did end up in Venice, only for a couple of weeks though but I did enjoy the beach, women, the boardwalk and spent some time at the Hare Krishna temple on Rose. (even though their teaching are completely alien to me, I always prefer music and dance to abstract meditations)  ***There are a number of great massage places on Main. If you're in a hurry, there is one just before the yoga studio on Main, near Rose. If you want something exceptional try: Tao Healing..., farther down Main, a few blocks before Pico.  http://www.themassageplaces.com/  http://www.thaconline.com/  I am not sure how long I would be around here but I would definitely love to meet you when you are here so do let me know.  ***Definitely will.   Thanks for the great tips, videos and history - that helps. You have an amazing knack of coming up with right videos - you obviously have lot of interest in movies.  About Krishnamurti - I haven't visited Ojai. I was interested in his experiences but didn't find much detail online. I don't know if you realized that I am a Telugu Brahmin like JK. JK reminds me of my grand fathers and uncles, very eccentric, caustic, sarcastic and intellectual.à  ***I knew you were both Brahmin, not surprised the link is even closer. I believe K helped me a great deal at a time I needed
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: Ravi, Y meant YMCA; They have large clean lecture rooms---priced to sell.  Lives in the Shadow with J. Krishnamurti- by Radha Rajagopal Sloss This one is interesting because its by, and about, people who knew and loved him as a complete human being--- with his flaws as well as his greatness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalind_Rajagopal As mentioned, there are a number about his early life I think you'd like. I'll try dig up some titles. Looking forward to meeting you Ravi, instincts to sing and dance like Freddie, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E-WasNzVpIfeature=relmfu makes Bobaji wish for that hurried moment, you Indian devil you. LOL.. On the video, hard to tell who will rock like Freddie - Bob or I. I have always admired Bobaji since I attacked him and he responded in kind. I would always be eagerly waiting for his comebacks and he made me work hard, since I'm nowhere as creative as him. I had to rely on the existence/silence to bail me out with good comebacks to him. So both Bob and Curtis have my admiration for standing up tall to my bullying abuse :-) P.S time to reveal your first name, Obba ain't cutting it. From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 2:18:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People Dear Bob - thanks again for all the wonderful places you have suggested. I'm too laid back (read lazy) to really get around out to it on my own - the most I would do is a sunset at the beach. It's still a new place and don't have any close friends to go along with. But it's much appreciated. I will try Ojai and K's books as well - I'm sure it will be interesting. And with regards to your below comments... ***I was serious, in some ways your Enlightenment story is quite traditional---for both Eastern and Western paths. An advantage you have is that you are a natural performer with a sense of humor, I'm sure you've noticed that's more than half the gig. With all the posting you've done and the transcripts from your BatGap interview you have the beginning of a manuscript, just needs to be shaken into a more traditional narrative; you could get it ghosted. You can also job out the media relations (particularly if you have a book) to fill some rooms. I would definitely not be surprised if i walked by a Y and saw you were speaking that night. walked by a Y? - what would be a Y? Thanks for the compliments, you are right on the money here - indeed I view myself as an entertainer and people enjoy my sense of irreverent playful humor but that only happens when I end up being around people, I don't go too out of my way. I have definitely seem some serious people on Batgap - it seemed they had declared enlightenment out of sheer boredom :-). Anyway I am too lazy to take initiative and sell myself, not even sure what I'm selling or even if I'm interested in selling anything at all. I am more interested in sharing my experiences in the hope it may be of some value to someone, I have a high paying job (which I have no interest in but have to continue for my obligations to my family and till the kids are at least adults) but it discounts the need for any monetary benefit, though money has never fascinated me beyond a useful utility, and soon after my experiences I renounced all my savings and my kids to my ex to be on my own. Anyway like I said it would have to happen on its own, on existence's initiative, on someone else's initiative, I'm in no hurry. Thanks for the excellent suggestions though - shows your savvy entertainer/businessman skills. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote:   Ravi, I corrected a typo I made below---its late!     Bob - thank you, gosh that's a lot to digest. When I said I was moving to LA friends suggested Venice and I can see why, it has a lot of charm and beauty. I did end up in Venice, only for a couple of weeks though but I did enjoy the beach, women, the boardwalk and spent some time at the Hare Krishna temple on Rose. (even though their teaching are completely alien to me, I always prefer music and dance to abstract meditations)  ***There are a number of great massage places on Main. If you're in a hurry, there is one just before the yoga studio on Main, near Rose. If you want something exceptional try: Tao Healing..., farther down Main, a few blocks before Pico.  http://www.themassageplaces.com/  http://www.thaconline.com/  I am not sure how long I would be around here but I would definitely love
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
I think that this tale points out the short comings of the TM teachings and path. The focus is so much on personal experience that those who have some experience or perception out of the ordinary, feel special. This specialness and achievement is a focus of the TM philosophy. What would you expect to happen? Most true spiritual teachings teach humility and compassion, if you have experiences you should keep them to yourself or maybe share them with your teacher. This focus on experience and achievement increases ego and narcissism. The experiences, perceptions and realizations can be true, how we relate to them and process them makes all the difference. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: The example of a possibly enlightened person being featured in a weekly TV series on national television in the US presents us with a remarkable opportunity. In Enlightened, the character of Amy shows us a person who was obviously, certifiably crazy (she was, in fact, certified -- legally forced to seek therapy) having a subjective experience that she associates with enlightenment, and then afterwards expects people around her to react to how she feels inside rather than how she acts on the outside, in real life. She considers herself an agent of change, and expects everyone around her TO change, just as a result of coming into contact with her. I think this fictional situation really begs to be compared TO real life, and how three other people have acted on the outside in real life, both in Fairfield and here on FFL. Let's compare Amy to Robin, Jim, and Ravi. Robin is pretty much yer classic spiritual crazy. Back in the day, he had some subjective experiences that he interpreted as enlightenment, and felt (and acted) as if everyone around him should react to his pronouncement of his own enlightenment not only as if him saying it was true made it true, but as if now he was some kind of special person, one whose words had weight, and should be listened to and paid attention to as if he were really, really, REALLY special -- one of the enlightened whose wordiness is next to Godliness. We all know how that worked out. Most people laughed at him. Heck, even Maharishi -- who he was expecting to climb onto the Robin is enlightened bus and support him -- regarded him as a crazy person. So how did he react to that? He acted even crazier. We are talking, after all, about someone so crazy and so convinced that everyone should regard what he said as Truth that he rented a plane and dropped leaflets of his own tracts on MIU. Crazy. Bedbug crazy. And now, years later, having disavowed the enlightened thang but still as narcissistic as it gets and still as convinced of his own specialnessitude, he writes long, long, long solipcistic tracts here and *still* expects everyone to not only read them, but treat them as the Truth he is convinced they are. If anyone (such as myself, or Tom, or others) suggests that he's still more than a little bedbug crazy, he lashes out at them and tries to portray them negatively and demonize them. THIS is the model of enlightened behavior that Robin presents to the world, and to us. Now think Jim Flanegin. When he first appeared on FFL, pronouncing *his* enlightenment, he was laughed at, too. Suffice it to say he reacted...uh...badly. He launched into long, abusive tirades against anyone who failed to believe in his enlightenmentnessitude, so much so that he embarrassed himself thoroughly and finally skulked off of the forum in disgrace. Then, not content with that, he came back two more times, anonymously. He made up new screen names and pretended that they weren't really him, and started the same abusive routine again, consistently lashing out at those who failed to treat him the way someone enlightened should be treated. Busted on both of those attempts to conceal his identity, now he's back in a fourth incarnation on FFL, *still* being easily the person on this forum whose buttons are most easily pushed, still lashing out at anyone who challenges either his own supposed enlightened status or challenges the things he believes to be true. THIS is the model of enlightened behavior that Jim believes in, and presents to us. Finally, think Ravi. His first appearance on FFL was actually more of a meltdown than the fictional Amy's. When people here failed to treat him as the enlightened being he presented himself as, he became so manic and so abusive that almost everyone on the forum was calling for some kind of intervention, to help him seek professional help and hopefully prevent him from doing harm to either himself or (more likely) to his wife. Now he's calmed down a bit, but is still in the same mould as Jim; every time someone pushes his buttons he seemingly *has* to react by insulting the person who isn't treating him the way he expects to be treated, and by trying to discredit them.
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Enjoying your explanation! Feeling special. Bliss can give feelings of bliss, therefore no need to explain. Like taking a shit. Do we tell everyone (well, maybe those closest to us.)we have taken a dump, it felt great, and it was full of fiber and held together just enough to not make a mess to the derriere. I think those sharing such events are not necessarily ego driven, but are searching for the answers (maybe their health was down before and took strides to make the health better)of improvement, they thought they had gotten, because why would anyone tell of these things, enlightenment and shit? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William monroe1@... wrote: I think that this tale points out the short comings of the TM teachings and path. The focus is so much on personal experience that those who have some experience or perception out of the ordinary, feel special. This specialness and achievement is a focus of the TM philosophy. What would you expect to happen? Most true spiritual teachings teach humility and compassion, if you have experiences you should keep them to yourself or maybe share them with your teacher. This focus on experience and achievement increases ego and narcissism. The experiences, perceptions and realizations can be true, how we relate to them and process them makes all the difference. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: The example of a possibly enlightened person being featured in a weekly TV series on national television in the US presents us with a remarkable opportunity. In Enlightened, the character of Amy shows us a person who was obviously, certifiably crazy (she was, in fact, certified -- legally forced to seek therapy) having a subjective experience that she associates with enlightenment, and then afterwards expects people around her to react to how she feels inside rather than how she acts on the outside, in real life. She considers herself an agent of change, and expects everyone around her TO change, just as a result of coming into contact with her. I think this fictional situation really begs to be compared TO real life, and how three other people have acted on the outside in real life, both in Fairfield and here on FFL. Let's compare Amy to Robin, Jim, and Ravi. Robin is pretty much yer classic spiritual crazy. Back in the day, he had some subjective experiences that he interpreted as enlightenment, and felt (and acted) as if everyone around him should react to his pronouncement of his own enlightenment not only as if him saying it was true made it true, but as if now he was some kind of special person, one whose words had weight, and should be listened to and paid attention to as if he were really, really, REALLY special -- one of the enlightened whose wordiness is next to Godliness. We all know how that worked out. Most people laughed at him. Heck, even Maharishi -- who he was expecting to climb onto the Robin is enlightened bus and support him -- regarded him as a crazy person. So how did he react to that? He acted even crazier. We are talking, after all, about someone so crazy and so convinced that everyone should regard what he said as Truth that he rented a plane and dropped leaflets of his own tracts on MIU. Crazy. Bedbug crazy. And now, years later, having disavowed the enlightened thang but still as narcissistic as it gets and still as convinced of his own specialnessitude, he writes long, long, long solipcistic tracts here and *still* expects everyone to not only read them, but treat them as the Truth he is convinced they are. If anyone (such as myself, or Tom, or others) suggests that he's still more than a little bedbug crazy, he lashes out at them and tries to portray them negatively and demonize them. THIS is the model of enlightened behavior that Robin presents to the world, and to us. Now think Jim Flanegin. When he first appeared on FFL, pronouncing *his* enlightenment, he was laughed at, too. Suffice it to say he reacted...uh...badly. He launched into long, abusive tirades against anyone who failed to believe in his enlightenmentnessitude, so much so that he embarrassed himself thoroughly and finally skulked off of the forum in disgrace. Then, not content with that, he came back two more times, anonymously. He made up new screen names and pretended that they weren't really him, and started the same abusive routine again, consistently lashing out at those who failed to treat him the way someone enlightened should be treated. Busted on both of those attempts to conceal his identity, now he's back in a fourth incarnation on FFL, *still* being easily the person on this forum whose buttons are most easily pushed, still lashing out at anyone who challenges either his own supposed enlightened status or challenges the things he believes to be true. THIS is the model of
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHDdqubE7zQ Sometimes, people even say, I know my shit! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: Enjoying your explanation! Feeling special. Bliss can give feelings of bliss, therefore no need to explain. Like taking a shit. Do we tell everyone (well, maybe those closest to us.)we have taken a dump, it felt great, and it was full of fiber and held together just enough to not make a mess to the derriere. I think those sharing such events are not necessarily ego driven, but are searching for the answers (maybe their health was down before and took strides to make the health better)of improvement, they thought they had gotten, because why would anyone tell of these things, enlightenment and shit? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William monroe1@ wrote: I think that this tale points out the short comings of the TM teachings and path. The focus is so much on personal experience that those who have some experience or perception out of the ordinary, feel special. This specialness and achievement is a focus of the TM philosophy. What would you expect to happen? Most true spiritual teachings teach humility and compassion, if you have experiences you should keep them to yourself or maybe share them with your teacher. This focus on experience and achievement increases ego and narcissism. The experiences, perceptions and realizations can be true, how we relate to them and process them makes all the difference. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: The example of a possibly enlightened person being featured in a weekly TV series on national television in the US presents us with a remarkable opportunity. In Enlightened, the character of Amy shows us a person who was obviously, certifiably crazy (she was, in fact, certified -- legally forced to seek therapy) having a subjective experience that she associates with enlightenment, and then afterwards expects people around her to react to how she feels inside rather than how she acts on the outside, in real life. She considers herself an agent of change, and expects everyone around her TO change, just as a result of coming into contact with her. I think this fictional situation really begs to be compared TO real life, and how three other people have acted on the outside in real life, both in Fairfield and here on FFL. Let's compare Amy to Robin, Jim, and Ravi. Robin is pretty much yer classic spiritual crazy. Back in the day, he had some subjective experiences that he interpreted as enlightenment, and felt (and acted) as if everyone around him should react to his pronouncement of his own enlightenment not only as if him saying it was true made it true, but as if now he was some kind of special person, one whose words had weight, and should be listened to and paid attention to as if he were really, really, REALLY special -- one of the enlightened whose wordiness is next to Godliness. We all know how that worked out. Most people laughed at him. Heck, even Maharishi -- who he was expecting to climb onto the Robin is enlightened bus and support him -- regarded him as a crazy person. So how did he react to that? He acted even crazier. We are talking, after all, about someone so crazy and so convinced that everyone should regard what he said as Truth that he rented a plane and dropped leaflets of his own tracts on MIU. Crazy. Bedbug crazy. And now, years later, having disavowed the enlightened thang but still as narcissistic as it gets and still as convinced of his own specialnessitude, he writes long, long, long solipcistic tracts here and *still* expects everyone to not only read them, but treat them as the Truth he is convinced they are. If anyone (such as myself, or Tom, or others) suggests that he's still more than a little bedbug crazy, he lashes out at them and tries to portray them negatively and demonize them. THIS is the model of enlightened behavior that Robin presents to the world, and to us. Now think Jim Flanegin. When he first appeared on FFL, pronouncing *his* enlightenment, he was laughed at, too. Suffice it to say he reacted...uh...badly. He launched into long, abusive tirades against anyone who failed to believe in his enlightenmentnessitude, so much so that he embarrassed himself thoroughly and finally skulked off of the forum in disgrace. Then, not content with that, he came back two more times, anonymously. He made up new screen names and pretended that they weren't really him, and started the same abusive routine again, consistently lashing out at those who failed to treat him the way someone enlightened should be treated. Busted on both of those attempts to conceal his identity, now he's back in a fourth incarnation on FFL,
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Thanks for chiming in, William. This is the kind of intelligent discussion I was hoping might arise around this topic. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William monroe1@... wrote: I think that this tale points out the short comings of the TM teachings and path. While I do not disagree with you, I would not limit these shortcomings to the TMO; I have seen the same scenario play itself out in other organizations. It's as if in most of them, no support structure was ever developed for How to handle your enlightenment experiences, because there was little perceived need for support. No enlightenment, no need. But the result of this is that when every so often someone does have such an early awakening experience, there is nowhere they can turn to get help with it and its challenges. The focus is so much on personal experience that those who have some experience or perception out of the ordinary, feel special. This specialness and achievement is a focus of the TM philosophy. What would you expect to happen? Exactly what has happened, as you suggest. Most true spiritual teachings teach humility and compassion, if you have experiences you should keep them to yourself or maybe share them with your teacher. This focus on experience and achievement increases ego and narcissism. Not to mention -- in the absence of any kind of support structure to help you with awakening experiences -- the tendency to rely on self- validation of what's happening to you. Those two qualities of ego and narcissism are the things I prod for on this forum, among those who announce their enlightenment or realization or whatever they call it. It's *not* that I don't believe that these experiences exist; I couldn't believe that, because I've had such experiences myself. They taught me that the inner, subjective experience, no matter how profound or groovy it may be, means nothing unless it bleeds over into how one handles oneself out in the world. I like to see how the self-announced enlightened handle themselves. The experiences, perceptions and realizations can be true, how we relate to them and process them makes all the difference. Exactly. Wouldn't it have been nice to have had an Advanced Program in the TMO that was designed for people having awakening experiences? You'd have a whiz-bang subjective experience, and you could go to the support structure and describe it. Then, instead of merely being told Something good is happening and being brushed off, someone could actually *talk* to you about it. You know...along the lines of, Cool. You're experiencing one of the early stages of enlightenment. The way you describe your experiences indicates that that's where you're at right now. Don't panic. It's just a transitory state, with better ones to follow. Here's the stuff you need to know about the nature of this particular passing phase, and the stuff you need to know about its dangers. That is, these are the pitfalls you need to watch out for while passing through this stage -- inflation of ego, a feeling that if you believe it, it's true, and an increased sense of elitism and self-importance. Be mindful of these traps, avoid them, and enjoy the ride... :-) I've actually encountered (but never experienced first-hand) such support structures in other spiritual paths, primarily those from Tibet. I cannot help but think that they must help to smooth out the rough edges for those having early awakening experiences. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: The example of a possibly enlightened person being featured in a weekly TV series on national television in the US presents us with a remarkable opportunity. In Enlightened, the character of Amy shows us a person who was obviously, certifiably crazy (she was, in fact, certified -- legally forced to seek therapy) having a subjective experience that she associates with enlightenment, and then afterwards expects people around her to react to how she feels inside rather than how she acts on the outside, in real life. She considers herself an agent of change, and expects everyone around her TO change, just as a result of coming into contact with her. I think this fictional situation really begs to be compared TO real life, and how three other people have acted on the outside in real life, both in Fairfield and here on FFL. Let's compare Amy to Robin, Jim, and Ravi. Robin is pretty much yer classic spiritual crazy. Back in the day, he had some subjective experiences that he interpreted as enlightenment, and felt (and acted) as if everyone around him should react to his pronouncement of his own enlightenment not only as if him saying it was true made it true, but as if now he was some kind of special person, one whose words had weight, and should be listened to and paid attention to as if he were really, really, REALLY special -- one of the enlightened whose
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Yeah William, we wouldn't want to destroy the student/teacher unequal relationship, would we? We wouldn't want to let others know that self-realization can be achieved by anybody, would we? Better to keep everything hidden and secretive, unless we charge them money, sex, or power to share it. THAT'S the way social progress is achieved, huh? What a steaming pile of uncompassionate dung, William. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, William monroe1@... wrote: I think that this tale points out the short comings of the TM teachings and path. The focus is so much on personal experience that those who have some experience or perception out of the ordinary, feel special. This specialness and achievement is a focus of the TM philosophy. What would you expect to happen? Most true spiritual teachings teach humility and compassion, if you have experiences you should keep them to yourself or maybe share them with your teacher. This focus on experience and achievement increases ego and narcissism. The experiences, perceptions and realizations can be true, how we relate to them and process them makes all the difference. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: The example of a possibly enlightened person being featured in a weekly TV series on national television in the US presents us with a remarkable opportunity. In Enlightened, the character of Amy shows us a person who was obviously, certifiably crazy (she was, in fact, certified -- legally forced to seek therapy) having a subjective experience that she associates with enlightenment, and then afterwards expects people around her to react to how she feels inside rather than how she acts on the outside, in real life. She considers herself an agent of change, and expects everyone around her TO change, just as a result of coming into contact with her. I think this fictional situation really begs to be compared TO real life, and how three other people have acted on the outside in real life, both in Fairfield and here on FFL. Let's compare Amy to Robin, Jim, and Ravi. Robin is pretty much yer classic spiritual crazy. Back in the day, he had some subjective experiences that he interpreted as enlightenment, and felt (and acted) as if everyone around him should react to his pronouncement of his own enlightenment not only as if him saying it was true made it true, but as if now he was some kind of special person, one whose words had weight, and should be listened to and paid attention to as if he were really, really, REALLY special -- one of the enlightened whose wordiness is next to Godliness. We all know how that worked out. Most people laughed at him. Heck, even Maharishi -- who he was expecting to climb onto the Robin is enlightened bus and support him -- regarded him as a crazy person. So how did he react to that? He acted even crazier. We are talking, after all, about someone so crazy and so convinced that everyone should regard what he said as Truth that he rented a plane and dropped leaflets of his own tracts on MIU. Crazy. Bedbug crazy. And now, years later, having disavowed the enlightened thang but still as narcissistic as it gets and still as convinced of his own specialnessitude, he writes long, long, long solipcistic tracts here and *still* expects everyone to not only read them, but treat them as the Truth he is convinced they are. If anyone (such as myself, or Tom, or others) suggests that he's still more than a little bedbug crazy, he lashes out at them and tries to portray them negatively and demonize them. THIS is the model of enlightened behavior that Robin presents to the world, and to us. Now think Jim Flanegin. When he first appeared on FFL, pronouncing *his* enlightenment, he was laughed at, too. Suffice it to say he reacted...uh...badly. He launched into long, abusive tirades against anyone who failed to believe in his enlightenmentnessitude, so much so that he embarrassed himself thoroughly and finally skulked off of the forum in disgrace. Then, not content with that, he came back two more times, anonymously. He made up new screen names and pretended that they weren't really him, and started the same abusive routine again, consistently lashing out at those who failed to treat him the way someone enlightened should be treated. Busted on both of those attempts to conceal his identity, now he's back in a fourth incarnation on FFL, *still* being easily the person on this forum whose buttons are most easily pushed, still lashing out at anyone who challenges either his own supposed enlightened status or challenges the things he believes to be true. THIS is the model of enlightened behavior that Jim believes in, and presents to us. Finally, think Ravi. His first appearance on FFL was actually more of a meltdown than the fictional Amy's. When people here failed to treat
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ON THE REPRODUCTION As Wally stares at the poster it begins to change and the finger of the boysâ innocent hand is bitten by a lizard. The boy recoils but the lizard bites more deeply. Pull back we see Wally jump as he pulls his finger out of the champagne flute with a lizard biting the end of his finger. As he recoils Wally looks down and sees lizards cawing up his pant leg. He looks up and in the reflection of the bar mirror he sees three lizards crawling over his face and biting into the soft tissue of his eyelids. He looks over at the bartender whose head has turned into a massive lizard face. Wally turns to flee and the customers have all turned around to reveal they have the faces of a lounge of lizards. He opens his mouth to scream and no sound comes out. CLOSE UP ON WALLYS FACE.  A huge lizard tongue darts out of Wallyâs mouth and right behind his tongue a large lizard pokes its out head out of Wallyâs gaping mouth and blinks its eyes. We hear the loud bark of a women's voice. Get the hell of bed you good for nothing lizard faced pieces of *hit. What the hell you think you're playing at? Hit the deck and I mean now. END WALLY'S DREAM SEQUENCE Wally, Shankar and NN hit the platinum deck of the Sharma-dumb. The overhead lights blind them as they try to rub the sleep out of their eyes. The three of them are dressed in green camouflage fatigues. They are standing in front a well-preserved older woman dressed in the desert camouflage of a U.S. Marine Corps drill instructor. Drill Instructor My name is STONE and I am a US Marine Corps Drill Instructor and you will at all times refer to me as 'Ma'am'! Do you understand? Shankar, NN and Wally (in one voice) Yes, Ma'am! Drill Instructor Stone God knows where his Holiness found you pieces of c**p but I guess desperate times call for assholes like you. Do you remember the words he gave you? NN You mean our mantras? Drill Instructor Stone No, you numnut, I mean do you remember the passwords he gave you last night! Shankar (at attention) Yes, Ma'am! We hear the sound of the old CD player click to life. Ħayya 'ala-salahh From: whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:51:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People So adding up both lists, what he likes and dislikes add up to about 90 items, 40 of which he dislikes. Doesn't look like a picture of normal mental health to me, Bob. However, you should consider yourself blessed and anointed by Barry The Great to appear on this list of your own making. And keep reading those books Bob! Much better to bury your nose in one of those, than in proximity to the back of Barry's trousers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: 11. Bob Price 12. Women who are still moist 13. Johannes Vermeer 14. Architecture 15. Literature 16. Tao Te Ching 17. Well written drama 18. Pushing buttons of the poorly read. 19. Chopping wood; Carrying water. 20. Writing 21. Great cafe's 22. Humor 23. Hot Cars 24. Young Women 25. Travel 26. Intelligent conversation 27. Slumming and pushing the buttons of his inferiors 28. Freedom 29. Outing liars and nut-jobs 30. Teasing nut-jobs 31. Cleaning DVD's 32. Pointing out the obvious about MMY and the deadenders. 33. Getting real. 34. Film and television reviews 35. Tom 36. Fine beer 37. Writing fiction 38. Women of child bearing ages. 39. China 40. Japan 41. Europe 42. North America 43. South America 44. Australia 45. Good company 46. FFL 47. Rick Archer 48. Homes on the Pacific 49. Code that easy to explain. 50. European trains with WIFI 51. Dogs From: whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:55:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People I knew I forgot a couple of obvious ones. Also #30, David Lynch, #31, John Hagelin, #32, The Rajas, #33, Bevan Morris, and #34, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. I was thinking also of those who Barry likes and all I could come up with was a list of ten: 1. Curtis. 2. Curtis. 3. Curtis. 4. Curtis. 5. Curtis. 6. Curtis. 7. Curtis. 8. Curtis. 9. Bruce Cockburn. 10. Vaj. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: LOL..thanks Jim, this was really funny, a whole phone book huh? Wow..LOL. My favorites - #2, #16, #20 and #25. Here's more 27. Robin28. Dan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I think there are too many people he doesn't like, here and elsewhere, to be covered in a simple
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Maharishi was pushing experiences and the initiators/governors rhapsodizing about them for years. On the preparatory courses we had experience sessions every day. Then came the sidhis and we weren't to talk about experiences. Then it flipped back again. Right now it's the #1 experience on IA. Somewhat legit if not with THMD or THP. If with that group, it seems to be a requirement to suddenly have the very experiences and use the new Sanskrit buzzwords Maharishi used in yesterday's live or recorded presentation. Somewhat stifling at first to not be able to talk about experiences in AOL. There there's one experience that matters: how you swoon for SSRS, what miracles you saw him produce.So it's about experience with both cults, the topic is just different.
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Dearest Ravi, I thought you were ignoring me, that would be very hurtful, you---of all the specials---know the ignorant have feelings too. If there's such as a thing as Enlightenment (I have no reason to doubt it); I want what you got, cause frankly bro, the rest of the specials--- in this gin joint, are, well---you know---boooing ing ing ing!!! You're the cayenne in the pepper, the chilies in the veggies, and the beamer in the 0-300---you is the man! I think the Robin may have been on to something; you need to go big tent, ---some of those Christian babes are d-licious---blue eyes with bums that never stop---curvy up and down and all around---makes you dizzy just thinking bout it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm6PAYYsH9Mfeature=related I can see the banners; The Born Again Brahmin---comes to Jesus. I'm already making plans; next time you come back as Elmer---you got what it takes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3LXBaO0nh8feature=related PS: I'm out now; I break fast at The Rose, most Saturday's, just look for the hippy reading the Financial Post---looking into lasers. http://www.rosecafe.com/About-Home.html From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 12:49:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People Dear Bob, once you have encountered your shadow there is no need to run away from oneself to create fiction, not that there's anything wrong with it of course. I am so busy in my inner subjective world, thoroughly enjoying the incredible fiction, the fantasies and stories that my mind creates that I rarely look to outside for entertainment. But I recently read fiction and couldn't put it down until I finished it - The girl with the dragon tattoo by Steig Larsson. I watched Jim's interview and of course his contributions here day in and day out. His simplicity and clarity of expression amazes me. He expresses more in less, unlike Rory or I :-). I thought you mocking Jim with others is pretty lame. The one thing enlightenment destroys is the need to compare yourself with others. Jim, Bob and I are equally meaningful expressions of the divine. Unlike Robin I dont believe God is miising from his creation. He has manifested as many to enjoy his/her creation. I am amazed at your creativity but I wouldn't feel the need to mock you by comparing your writing to Curtis or Barry, I will choose and have chosen to directly attack you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Yo Whynow, You specials, are so, well, you know---special. Its always such a chuckle hearing someone so below par at creating fiction bragging about giving up fiction---wonder if there is a correlation? I attempted to get through your BatGap interview, but unlike Ravi's interview---which is riveting---yours is pretty tough sledding---regret I couldn't finish it; started cleaning DVD's after a minute or two. I'd think with the talent we have around here---Ravi, Rory and Robin---you'd be a bit intimated coming out of the closet on this forum. Oh well, we'll give you a star for effort---if not effortlessness. Have you been checked lately---I'm surprised the Nabster hasn't asked? I know how much you enjoy being Wally ---so I thought we'd put Rowing... into syndication. I thought this episode would be the ticket. The Spacecraft Sharma-dum (de Dum Dum) hovers in the night sky over the Arabian Gulf. The humidity sweating off the surface of the Gulf covers the windows of the Sharma in perspiration. In the distance, gas flares fracture the blackness of the desert night. Below the Sharma, American destroyers track supertankers; like jaguars eying a bloat of hippos---looking for the weak and infirm. In the middle of the blackness of the desert, the lights of the city of Doha illuminate the night sky, dispersing light like the finest jeweled carvings---from the lapidaries of Idar-Oberstein. INT. THE SPACECRAFT SHARMA-DUM (de DUM DUM). We hear the unmistakable sound of Wally snoring. The spacecraft is dark except for the light shining on the large meeting table. At one end of the table the Zebra is reading a large bible. He is wearing glasses and his unicorn horn is gone. VO And whenever you stand praying,... We hear a familiar giggle. The Zebra looks up and sees Maharishi strangely fading. Maharishi (giggling) I thought 'condemned' was a bit strong. VO ...forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses-Mark 11:25 The Zebra looks up and Maharishi has disappeared. We still hear his giggling. Wally's snoring continues, we hear him groan. WALLY'S DREAM SEQUENCE-DAY Wally walks in into The Champagne Bar of the Plaza Hotel on Central Park South. The other customers
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LOL..on Born Again Brahmin coming to Jesus, but seriously have given up being a Brahmin(intellectual), the closest label I identify is a Sufi. There are many Brahmins here on this though. Thanks for the videos - losing my religion was one of my favorites back in the early 90s. Anyway I don't ignore anyone much less you. I thought I had to say something in defense of Jim, I came up with several but none seemed right, and I'm never in a hurry to respond to anything. One finallly came today and as Robin would say I didnt find any discordance with reality as I responded. About the Rose Cafe - are you serious? In Venice? I thought you were in Napa or North Bay somewhere. It's kind of coincidental since when I googled for Coffee in Venice Rose Cafe featured prominently. But I stopped at another cafe along Rose Ave - I think Groundwork Coffee Company. Anyway loved Venice Beach - the number of beautiful women per square inch in Venice and LA seems pretty high :-) Living and working in Culver City now but I will just stop there tomorrow for the heck of it - not sure what time though. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Dearest Ravi, I thought you were ignoring me, that would be very hurtful, you---of all the specials---know the ignorant have feelings too. If there's such as a thing as Enlightenment (I have no reason to doubt it); I want what you got, cause frankly bro, the rest of the specials--- in this gin joint, are, well---you know---boooing ing ing ing!!! You're the cayenne in the pepper, the chilies in the veggies, and the beamer in the 0-300---you is the man! I think the Robin may have been on to something; you need to go big tent, ---some of those Christian babes are d-licious---blue eyes with bums that never stop---curvy up and down and all around---makes you dizzy just thinking bout it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm6PAYYsH9Mfeature=related I can see the banners; The Born Again Brahmin---comes to Jesus. I'm already making plans; next time you come back as Elmer---you got what it takes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3LXBaO0nh8feature=related PS: I'm out now; I break fast at The Rose, most Saturday's, just look for the hippy reading the Financial Post---looking into lasers. http://www.rosecafe.com/About-Home.html From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 12:49:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People Dear Bob, once you have encountered your shadow there is no need to run away from oneself to create fiction, not that there's anything wrong with it of course. I am so busy in my inner subjective world, thoroughly enjoying the incredible fiction, the fantasies and stories that my mind creates that I rarely look to outside for entertainment. But I recently read fiction and couldn't put it down until I finished it - The girl with the dragon tattoo by Steig Larsson. I watched Jim's interview and of course his contributions here day in and day out. His simplicity and clarity of expression amazes me. He expresses more in less, unlike Rory or I :-). I thought you mocking Jim with others is pretty lame. The one thing enlightenment destroys is the need to compare yourself with others. Jim, Bob and I are equally meaningful expressions of the divine. Unlike Robin I dont believe God is miising from his creation. He has manifested as many to enjoy his/her creation. I am amazed at your creativity but I wouldn't feel the need to mock you by comparing your writing to Curtis or Barry, I will choose and have chosen to directly attack you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: Yo Whynow, You specials, are so, well, you know---special. Its always such a chuckle hearing someone so below par at creating fiction bragging about giving up fiction---wonder if there is a correlation? I attempted to get through your BatGap interview, but unlike Ravi's interview---which is riveting---yours is pretty tough sledding---regret I couldn't finish it; started cleaning DVD's after a minute or two. I'd think with the talent we have around here---Ravi, Rory and Robin---you'd be a bit intimated coming out of the closet on this forum. Oh well, we'll give you a star for effort---if not effortlessness. Have you been checked lately---I'm surprised the Nabster hasn't asked? I know how much you enjoy being Wally ---so I thought we'd put Rowing... into syndication. I thought this episode would be the ticket. The Spacecraft Sharma-dum (de Dum Dum) hovers in the night sky over the Arabian Gulf. The humidity sweating off the surface of the Gulf covers the windows of the Sharma inàperspiration. In the distance, gas flares fracture
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LOL..thanks Jim, this was really funny, a whole phone book huh? Wow..LOL. My favorites - #2, #16, #20 and #25. Here's more 27. Robin28. Dan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: I think there are too many people he doesn't like, here and elsewhere, to be covered in a simple autobiography - perhaps add a phonebook-like appendix? From what I have observed, Barry dislikes: 1. Older women. 2. people who wait for walk signs (vs. jaywalking). 3. People in Amsterdam cafes. 4. Americans. 5. People who discuss personal spiritual experiences. 6. Followers of Maharishi. 7. People he deems dumber than him (everyone is, of course). 8. Judy. 9. Me. 10. Nabby. 11. Ravi. 12. Buck. 13. Shukra69. 14. Raunchydog. 15. Rory. 16. Newcomers to FFL. 17. Those who are politically conservative. 18. Practitioners of TM. 19. Emptybill. 20. Current followers of Freddy Lenz. 21. Women in Spain (now that he has left). 22. Women in France (now that he has left). 23. People who can't laugh at themselves (LOL). 24. Those who disagree with his movie reviews. 25. Women who try to talk to him while he is driving. 26. People who express spiritual liberation. That's all I can come up with at the moment for Mr. Wonderful. I'd enjoy it if someone would extend this list, starting with the number 27. Let's see how long this list can grow! I'm sure Barry could double or even triple its length without breaking a sweat. Help us out Barry, eh? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Heh, ease off of the old man. His writing is just soliloquy. He doesn't actually discern that other people are really there. He thinks we are all characters in some novel he is writing and that Judy is his eyes-open nightmare. I told him once he should forget the novel about the Cathars he supposedly moved to Yurrup to write and start writing his autobiography instead. He could use all the criticisms of me and the other folks he doesn't like that he's posted here and just change the pronouns so they refer to himself. Then everyone would congratulate him on his honesty and deep self-knowledge.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukra69@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: This post is even scarier than his previous one in the extent of its fantasizing. But the motivation for it is clear. We all know that the only reason Barry is so fascinated by this series is that it gives him the opportunity to put down the people he doesn't like on FFL, especially those who have dared to talk about what they consider their enlightenment. He didn't get the reaction he wanted to his first posts, so now he's doubling down on the putdowns. But those putdowns have become so extreme, so off the wall, his descriptions of behavior so completely unlike anybody's actual behavior here, the histories he relates such gross misrepresentations of what actually happened, It is not though. It is honest and accurate. Yes, yes Stephen - it's right, and so, so, sooo scary - quick - go and take shelter in your TM and psychology manuals before I bitch slap you in my enlightened mania. that he's clearly deep into deluded territory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Seriously, is there anyone on this forum willing to step up to the plate and say that they actually *believe* that Robin, Jim and Ravi are actually enlightened? If so, are you comfortable with the day-to-day way that they conduct themselves, as a kind of demo or role model of what enlightenment should be or will be for you when you achieve it? Does their example make you want to become all enlightened yourself? Honestly curious. Well, he's not honestly curious, of course. He's hoping to inspire responses he can use as more fodder for his putdowns. But I'll answer his questions straightforwardly. (After all, curious as he pretends to be, he won't read my responses, so I'm safe.) I have *no idea* whether the three of them are (or were, in Robin's case) actually enlightened. I wouldn't be shocked if they were, I wouldn't be shocked if they weren't. It isn't of concern to me either way. I'm completely comfortable with the day-to-day way they conduct themselves. They're all very smart and thoughtful, they all have a good sense of humor; I find most of their posts pretty interesting. But I don't see them as demos or role models of enlightenment because I don't think any such thing exists. I think the notion that it does generates serious confusion about the nature of enlightenment. (It also, of course, generates opportunities for those who are troubled by their own failure to achieve enlightenment to attack those who consider themselves to have achieved it.) The example of these three has ZERO influence on my motivation to continue to meditate and see where it takes me. I've very much enjoyed the journey so far.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukra69@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: This post is even scarier than his previous one in the extent of its fantasizing. But the motivation for it is clear. We all know that the only reason Barry is so fascinated by this series is that it gives him the opportunity to put down the people he doesn't like on FFL, especially those who have dared to talk about what they consider their enlightenment. He didn't get the reaction he wanted to his first posts, so now he's doubling down on the putdowns. But those putdowns have become so extreme, so off the wall, his descriptions of behavior so completely unlike anybody's actual behavior here, the histories he relates such gross misrepresentations of what actually happened, It is not though. It is honest and accurate. Yes, yes Stephen - it's right, and so, so, sooo scary - quick - go and take shelter in your TM and psychology manuals before I bitch slap you in my enlightened mania. Pardon me Stephen - I just checked the manuals and it seems pimp slap might be more appropriate here - so go hide in your TM and psychology manuals before I pimp slap you, you retarded bitch.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: Your assessment rings true to me also. Dude tries to be all free and easy, but that's just it, he tries, and the effort shows. Enough about him. Anyway, I just bought a beautiful XK8 coupe over the weekend, so I think I will go drive around - I am using any excuse to do so, although the car always wants to exceed the speed limit - go figure Congratulations, that is one beautiful car ! When I was in the US I realized that it was possible to pick up Jaguars at a ridecilously low price compared to here and it certainly was tempting to do so. Because of the climate in California these cars are also very sought after objects here, close to 100% of Jaguars imported are from California ! What colour is it ? :-)
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I knew I forgot a couple of obvious ones. Also #30, David Lynch, #31, John Hagelin, #32, The Rajas, #33, Bevan Morris, and #34, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. I was thinking also of those who Barry likes and all I could come up with was a list of ten: 1. Curtis. 2. Curtis. 3. Curtis. 4. Curtis. 5. Curtis. 6. Curtis. 7. Curtis. 8. Curtis. 9. Bruce Cockburn. 10. Vaj. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: LOL..thanks Jim, this was really funny, a whole phone book huh? Wow..LOL. My favorites - #2, #16, #20 and #25. Here's more 27. Robin28. Dan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I think there are too many people he doesn't like, here and elsewhere, to be covered in a simple autobiography - perhaps add a phonebook-like appendix? From what I have observed, Barry dislikes: 1. Older women. 2. people who wait for walk signs (vs. jaywalking). 3. People in Amsterdam cafes. 4. Americans. 5. People who discuss personal spiritual experiences. 6. Followers of Maharishi. 7. People he deems dumber than him (everyone is, of course). 8. Judy. 9. Me. 10. Nabby. 11. Ravi. 12. Buck. 13. Shukra69. 14. Raunchydog. 15. Rory. 16. Newcomers to FFL. 17. Those who are politically conservative. 18. Practitioners of TM. 19. Emptybill. 20. Current followers of Freddy Lenz. 21. Women in Spain (now that he has left). 22. Women in France (now that he has left). 23. People who can't laugh at themselves (LOL). 24. Those who disagree with his movie reviews. 25. Women who try to talk to him while he is driving. 26. People who express spiritual liberation. That's all I can come up with at the moment for Mr. Wonderful. I'd enjoy it if someone would extend this list, starting with the number 27. Let's see how long this list can grow! I'm sure Barry could double or even triple its length without breaking a sweat. Help us out Barry, eh? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Heh, ease off of the old man. His writing is just soliloquy. He doesn't actually discern that other people are really there. He thinks we are all characters in some novel he is writing and that Judy is his eyes-open nightmare. I told him once he should forget the novel about the Cathars he supposedly moved to Yurrup to write and start writing his autobiography instead. He could use all the criticisms of me and the other folks he doesn't like that he's posted here and just change the pronouns so they refer to himself. Then everyone would congratulate him on his honesty and deep self-knowledge.
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It is a gold color, with off white leather interior. I have uploaded some pictures into the Photos section here, though they apparently must be approved first. I had no idea that this would happen on the weekend. I was enjoying a glass of champagne with my wife last Saturday evening in the gazebo outside, and was just surfing around, looking at car ads. I used to own a 1985 Jaguar XJ6 Series 3, a beautiful car that I paid $8500 for. However, it caused me nothing but trouble and I sold it many years ago. Anyway, I couldn't find any XJ6's from that era that were in the condition I wanted, so I began looking at XK8s. Just about then my wife handed me a modest check from my father's life insurance policy (God Bless his soul), and this quest became a reality. After researching the XK8 for the next several hours, I settled on the car to purchase; a 1997 XK8 with just 55K miles, asking $14K. I wanted it for $11K and ended up purchasing it for that, less than 24 hours from first considering it! Despite the car's age it is in showroom condition, and handles like it too. With a 4.0 liter V8, 290 hp engine, it accelerates from 70 to 110 in seconds, and very smoothly. The top end is 155 mph, though I will have to find a race track to test that. It actually gets decent gas mileage for such a beast too. It is so much fun to drive. Jaguar anticipates everything, from the six speed automatic German transmission, to the all leather and burl interior, to the handling, which is rock-solid. It even has headlamp washers. What a car. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: Your assessment rings true to me also. Dude tries to be all free and easy, but that's just it, he tries, and the effort shows. Enough about him. Anyway, I just bought a beautiful XK8 coupe over the weekend, so I think I will go drive around - I am using any excuse to do so, although the car always wants to exceed the speed limit - go figure Congratulations, that is one beautiful car ! When I was in the US I realized that it was possible to pick up Jaguars at a ridecilously low price compared to here and it certainly was tempting to do so. Because of the climate in California these cars are also very sought after objects here, close to 100% of Jaguars imported are from California ! What colour is it ? :-)
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11. Bob Price 12. Women who are still moist 13. Johannes Vermeer 14. Architecture 15. Literature 16. Tao Te Ching 17. Well written drama 18. Pushing buttons of the poorly read. 19. Chopping wood; Carrying water. 20. Writing 21. Great cafe's 22. Humor 23. Hot Cars 24. Young Women 25. Travel 26. Intelligent conversation 27. Slumming and pushing the buttons of his inferiors 28. Freedom 29. Outing liars and nut-jobs 30. Teasing nut-jobs 31. Cleaning DVD's 32. Pointing out the obvious about MMY and the deadenders. 33. Getting real. 34. Film and television reviews 35. Tom 36. Fine beer 37. Writing fiction 38. Women of child bearing ages. 39. China 40. Japan 41. Europe 42. North America 43. South America 44. Australia 45. Good company 46. FFL 47. Rick Archer 48. Homes on the Pacific 49. Code that easy to explain. 50. European trains with WIFI 51. Dogs From: whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:55:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People I knew I forgot a couple of obvious ones. Also #30, David Lynch, #31, John Hagelin, #32, The Rajas, #33, Bevan Morris, and #34, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. I was thinking also of those who Barry likes and all I could come up with was a list of ten: 1. Curtis. 2. Curtis. 3. Curtis. 4. Curtis. 5. Curtis. 6. Curtis. 7. Curtis. 8. Curtis. 9. Bruce Cockburn. 10. Vaj. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: LOL..thanks Jim, this was really funny, a whole phone book huh? Wow..LOL. My favorites - #2, #16, #20 and #25. Here's more 27. Robin28. Dan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I think there are too many people he doesn't like, here and elsewhere, to be covered in a simple autobiography - perhaps add a phonebook-like appendix? From what I have observed, Barry dislikes: 1. Older women. 2. people who wait for walk signs (vs. jaywalking). 3. People in Amsterdam cafes. 4. Americans. 5. People who discuss personal spiritual experiences. 6. Followers of Maharishi. 7. People he deems dumber than him (everyone is, of course). 8. Judy. 9. Me. 10. Nabby. 11. Ravi. 12. Buck. 13. Shukra69. 14. Raunchydog. 15. Rory. 16. Newcomers to FFL. 17. Those who are politically conservative. 18. Practitioners of TM. 19. Emptybill. 20. Current followers of Freddy Lenz. 21. Women in Spain (now that he has left). 22. Women in France (now that he has left). 23. People who can't laugh at themselves (LOL). 24. Those who disagree with his movie reviews. 25. Women who try to talk to him while he is driving. 26. People who express spiritual liberation. That's all I can come up with at the moment for Mr. Wonderful. I'd enjoy it if someone would extend this list, starting with the number 27. Let's see how long this list can grow! I'm sure Barry could double or even triple its length without breaking a sweat. Help us out Barry, eh? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Heh, ease off of the old man. His writing is just soliloquy. He doesn't actually discern that other people are really there. He thinks we are all characters in some novel he is writing and that Judy is his eyes-open nightmare. I told him once he should forget the novel about the Cathars he supposedly moved to Yurrup to write and start writing his autobiography instead. He could use all the criticisms of me and the other folks he doesn't like that he's posted here and just change the pronouns so they refer to himself. Then everyone would congratulate him on his honesty and deep self-knowledge.
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So adding up both lists, what he likes and dislikes add up to about 90 items, 40 of which he dislikes. Doesn't look like a picture of normal mental health to me, Bob. However, you should consider yourself blessed and anointed by Barry The Great to appear on this list of your own making. And keep reading those books Bob! Much better to bury your nose in one of those, than in proximity to the back of Barry's trousers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: 11. Bob Price 12. Women who are still moist 13. Johannes Vermeer 14. Architecture 15. Literature 16. Tao Te Ching 17. Well written drama 18. Pushing buttons of the poorly read. 19. Chopping wood; Carrying water. 20. Writing 21. Great cafe's 22. Humor 23. Hot Cars 24. Young Women 25. Travel 26. Intelligent conversation 27. Slumming and pushing the buttons of his inferiors 28. Freedom 29. Outing liars and nut-jobs 30. Teasing nut-jobs 31. Cleaning DVD's 32. Pointing out the obvious about MMY and the deadenders. 33. Getting real. 34. Film and television reviews 35. Tom 36. Fine beer 37. Writing fiction 38. Women of child bearing ages. 39. China 40. Japan 41. Europe 42. North America 43. South America 44. Australia 45. Good company 46. FFL 47. Rick Archer 48. Homes on the Pacific 49. Code that easy to explain. 50. European trains with WIFI 51. Dogs From: whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:55:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People I knew I forgot a couple of obvious ones. Also #30, David Lynch, #31, John Hagelin, #32, The Rajas, #33, Bevan Morris, and #34, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. I was thinking also of those who Barry likes and all I could come up with was a list of ten: 1. Curtis. 2. Curtis. 3. Curtis. 4. Curtis. 5. Curtis. 6. Curtis. 7. Curtis. 8. Curtis. 9. Bruce Cockburn. 10. Vaj. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: LOL..thanks Jim, this was really funny, a whole phone book huh? Wow..LOL. My favorites - #2, #16, #20 and #25. Here's more 27. Robin28. Dan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I think there are too many people he doesn't like, here and elsewhere, to be covered in a simple autobiography - perhaps add a  phonebook-like appendix? From what I have observed, Barry dislikes: 1. Older women. 2. people who wait for walk signs (vs. jaywalking). 3. People in Amsterdam cafes. 4. Americans. 5. People who discuss personal spiritual experiences. 6. Followers of Maharishi. 7. People he deems dumber than him (everyone is, of course). 8. Judy. 9. Me. 10. Nabby. 11. Ravi. 12. Buck. 13. Shukra69. 14. Raunchydog. 15. Rory. 16. Newcomers to FFL. 17. Those who are politically conservative. 18. Practitioners of TM. 19. Emptybill. 20. Current followers of Freddy Lenz. 21. Women in Spain (now that he has left). 22. Women in France (now that he has left). 23. People who can't laugh at themselves (LOL). 24. Those who disagree with his movie reviews. 25. Women who try to talk to him while he is driving. 26. People who express spiritual liberation. That's all I can come up with at the moment for Mr. Wonderful. I'd enjoy it if someone would extend this list, starting with the number 27. Let's see how long this list can grow! I'm sure Barry could double or even triple its length without breaking a sweat. Help us out Barry, eh? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Heh, ease off of the old man. His writing is just soliloquy. He doesn't actually discern that other people are really there. He thinks we are all characters in some novel he is writing and that Judy is his eyes-open nightmare. I told him once he should forget the novel about the Cathars he supposedly moved to Yurrup to write and start writing his autobiography instead. He could use all the criticisms of me and the other folks he doesn't like that he's posted here and just change the pronouns so they refer to himself. Then everyone would congratulate him on his honesty and deep self-knowledge. Â
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: 11. Bob Price 12. Women who are still moist 13. Johannes Vermeer 14. Architecture 15. Literature 16. Tao Te Ching 17. Well written drama 18. Pushing buttons of the poorly read. 19. Chopping wood; Carrying water. 20. Writing 21. Great cafe's 22. Humor 23. Hot Cars 24. Young Women 25. Travel 26. Intelligent conversation 27. Slumming and pushing the buttons of his inferiors 28. Freedom 29. Outing liars and nut-jobs 30. Teasing nut-jobs 31. Cleaning DVD's 32. Pointing out the obvious about MMY and the deadenders. 33. Getting real. 34. Film and television reviews 35. Tom 36. Fine beer 37. Writing fiction 38. Women of child bearing ages. 39. China 40. Japan 41. Europe 42. North America 43. South America 44. Australia 45. Good company 46. FFL 47. Rick Archer 48. Homes on the Pacific 49. Code that easy to explain. 50. European trains with WIFI 51. Dogs Good list. About the only one you missed as one of the things I like is China. SO not a fan. :-)
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fatigues. They are standing in front a well-preserved older woman dressed in the desert camouflage of a U.S. Marine Corps drill instructor. Drill Instructor My name is STONE and I am a US Marine Corps Drill Instructor and you will at all times refer to me as 'Ma'am'! Do you understand? Shankar, NN and Wally (in one voice) Yes, Ma'am! Drill Instructor Stone God knows where his Holiness found you pieces of c**p but I guess desperate times call for assholes like you. Do you remember the words he gave you? NN You mean our mantras? Drill Instructor Stone No, you numnut, I mean do you remember the passwords he gave you last night! Shankar (at attention) Yes, Ma'am! We hear the sound of the old CD player click to life. Ħayya 'ala-salahh From: whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:51:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People So adding up both lists, what he likes and dislikes add up to about 90 items, 40 of which he dislikes. Doesn't look like a picture of normal mental health to me, Bob. However, you should consider yourself blessed and anointed by Barry The Great to appear on this list of your own making. And keep reading those books Bob! Much better to bury your nose in one of those, than in proximity to the back of Barry's trousers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: 11. Bob Price 12. Women who are still moist 13. Johannes Vermeer 14. Architecture 15. Literature 16. Tao Te Ching 17. Well written drama 18. Pushing buttons of the poorly read. 19. Chopping wood; Carrying water. 20. Writing 21. Great cafe's 22. Humor 23. Hot Cars 24. Young Women 25. Travel 26. Intelligent conversation 27. Slumming and pushing the buttons of his inferiors 28. Freedom 29. Outing liars and nut-jobs 30. Teasing nut-jobs 31. Cleaning DVD's 32. Pointing out the obvious about MMY and the deadenders. 33. Getting real. 34. Film and television reviews 35. Tom 36. Fine beer 37. Writing fiction 38. Women of child bearing ages. 39. China 40. Japan 41. Europe 42. North America 43. South America 44. Australia 45. Good company 46. FFL 47. Rick Archer 48. Homes on the Pacific 49. Code that easy to explain. 50. European trains with WIFI 51. Dogs From: whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:55:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People I knew I forgot a couple of obvious ones. Also #30, David Lynch, #31, John Hagelin, #32, The Rajas, #33, Bevan Morris, and #34, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. I was thinking also of those who Barry likes and all I could come up with was a list of ten: 1. Curtis. 2. Curtis. 3. Curtis. 4. Curtis. 5. Curtis. 6. Curtis. 7. Curtis. 8. Curtis. 9. Bruce Cockburn. 10. Vaj. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: LOL..thanks Jim, this was really funny, a whole phone book huh? Wow..LOL. My favorites - #2, #16, #20 and #25. Here's more 27. Robin28. Dan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I think there are too many people he doesn't like, here and elsewhere, to be covered in a simple autobiography - perhaps add a  phonebook-like appendix? From what I have observed, Barry dislikes: 1. Older women. 2. people who wait for walk signs (vs. jaywalking). 3. People in Amsterdam cafes. 4. Americans. 5. People who discuss personal spiritual experiences. 6. Followers of Maharishi. 7. People he deems dumber than him (everyone is, of course). 8. Judy. 9. Me. 10. Nabby. 11. Ravi. 12. Buck. 13. Shukra69. 14. Raunchydog. 15. Rory. 16. Newcomers to FFL. 17. Those who are politically conservative. 18. Practitioners of TM. 19. Emptybill. 20. Current followers of Freddy Lenz. 21. Women in Spain (now that he has left). 22. Women in France (now that he has left). 23. People who can't laugh at themselves (LOL). 24. Those who disagree with his movie reviews. 25. Women who try to talk to him while he is driving. 26. People who express spiritual liberation. That's all I can come up with at the moment for Mr. Wonderful. I'd enjoy it if someone would extend this list, starting with the number 27. Let's see how long this list can grow! I'm sure Barry could double or even triple its length without breaking a sweat. Help us out Barry, eh? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Heh, ease off of the old man. His writing is just soliloquy. He doesn't actually discern that other people are really there. He thinks we are all characters in some novel he
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to flee and the customers have all turned around to reveal they have the faces of a lounge of lizards. He opens his mouth to scream and no sound comes out. CLOSE UP ON WALLYS FACE.  A huge lizard tongue darts out of Wallyâs mouth and right behind his tongue a large lizard pokes its out head out of Wallyâs gaping mouth and blinks its eyes. We hear the loud bark of a women's voice. Get the hell of bed you good for nothing lizard faced pieces of *hit. What the hell you think you're playing at? Hit the deck and I mean now. END WALLY'S DREAM SEQUENCE Wally, Shankar and NN hit the platinum deck of the Sharma-dumb. The overhead lights blind them as they try to rub the sleep out of their eyes. The three of them are dressed in green camouflage fatigues. They are standing in front a well-preserved older woman dressed in the desert camouflage of a U.S. Marine Corps drill instructor. Drill Instructor My name is STONE and I am a US Marine Corps Drill Instructor and you will at all times refer to me as 'Ma'am'! Do you understand? Shankar, NN and Wally (in one voice) Yes, Ma'am! Drill Instructor Stone God knows where his Holiness found you pieces of c**p but I guess desperate times call for assholes like you. Do you remember the words he gave you? NN You mean our mantras? Drill Instructor Stone No, you numnut, I mean do you remember the passwords he gave you last night! Shankar (at attention) Yes, Ma'am! We hear the sound of the old CD player click to life. Ħayya 'ala-salahh From: whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:51:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People So adding up both lists, what he likes and dislikes add up to about 90 items, 40 of which he dislikes. Doesn't look like a picture of normal mental health to me, Bob. However, you should consider yourself blessed and anointed by Barry The Great to appear on this list of your own making. And keep reading those books Bob! Much better to bury your nose in one of those, than in proximity to the back of Barry's trousers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: 11. Bob Price 12. Women who are still moist 13. Johannes Vermeer 14. Architecture 15. Literature 16. Tao Te Ching 17. Well written drama 18. Pushing buttons of the poorly read. 19. Chopping wood; Carrying water. 20. Writing 21. Great cafe's 22. Humor 23. Hot Cars 24. Young Women 25. Travel 26. Intelligent conversation 27. Slumming and pushing the buttons of his inferiors 28. Freedom 29. Outing liars and nut-jobs 30. Teasing nut-jobs 31. Cleaning DVD's 32. Pointing out the obvious about MMY and the deadenders. 33. Getting real. 34. Film and television reviews 35. Tom 36. Fine beer 37. Writing fiction 38. Women of child bearing ages. 39. China 40. Japan 41. Europe 42. North America 43. South America 44. Australia 45. Good company 46. FFL 47. Rick Archer 48. Homes on the Pacific 49. Code that easy to explain. 50. European trains with WIFI 51. Dogs From: whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:55:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People I knew I forgot a couple of obvious ones. Also #30, David Lynch, #31, John Hagelin, #32, The Rajas, #33, Bevan Morris, and #34, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. I was thinking also of those who Barry likes and all I could come up with was a list of ten: 1. Curtis. 2. Curtis. 3. Curtis. 4. Curtis. 5. Curtis. 6. Curtis. 7. Curtis. 8. Curtis. 9. Bruce Cockburn. 10. Vaj. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: LOL..thanks Jim, this was really funny, a whole phone book huh? Wow..LOL. My favorites - #2, #16, #20 and #25. Here's more 27. Robin28. Dan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: I think there are too many people he doesn't like, here and elsewhere, to be covered in a simple autobiography - perhaps add aààphonebook-like appendix? From what I have observed, Barry dislikes: 1. Older women. 2. people who wait for walk signs (vs. jaywalking). 3. People in Amsterdam cafes. 4. Americans. 5. People who discuss personal spiritual experiences. 6. Followers of Maharishi. 7. People he deems dumber than him (everyone is, of course). 8. Judy. 9. Me. 10. Nabby. 11. Ravi. 12. Buck. 13. Shukra69. 14. Raunchydog. 15. Rory. 16. Newcomers to FFL. 17. Those who are politically conservative. 18. Practitioners of TM. 19. Emptybill
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Selective recap of Barry's Dislike List: One Billion Indians, Three Hundred Million Americans and now #40, Over a Billion Chinese. Thank God you are way over there, and I am way over here. Is it because you think we all *smell* different from you? ...if you can tell us apart, that is... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: 11. Bob Price 12. Women who are still moist 13. Johannes Vermeer 14. Architecture 15. Literature 16. Tao Te Ching 17. Well written drama 18. Pushing buttons of the poorly read. 19. Chopping wood; Carrying water. 20. Writing 21. Great cafe's 22. Humor 23. Hot Cars 24. Young Women 25. Travel 26. Intelligent conversation 27. Slumming and pushing the buttons of his inferiors 28. Freedom 29. Outing liars and nut-jobs 30. Teasing nut-jobs 31. Cleaning DVD's 32. Pointing out the obvious about MMY and the deadenders. 33. Getting real. 34. Film and television reviews 35. Tom 36. Fine beer 37. Writing fiction 38. Women of child bearing ages. 39. China 40. Japan 41. Europe 42. North America 43. South America 44. Australia 45. Good company 46. FFL 47. Rick Archer 48. Homes on the Pacific 49. Code that easy to explain. 50. European trains with WIFI 51. Dogs Good list. About the only one you missed as one of the things I like is China. SO not a fan. :-)
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yeah, right:-) From: whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:23:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People Yeah, I haven't listened to my BatGap interview myself, so you got farther with it than I did. If only I were here to make my mark as a spiritual teacher, I would have put a premium on entertaining you Bob during my airtime, for future fleecing opportunities.:-) Anyway, I am currently busy writing a certification for an industrial laser, so I'll give the fiction a pass, k? Keep up with it though - you may get published someday. And enjoy all of your Moist Women too, whilst rooting for truffles, Bob. Toodles! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: Yo Whynow, You specials, are so, well, you know---special. Its always such a chuckle hearing someone so below par at creating fiction bragging about giving up fiction---wonder if there is a correlation? I attempted to get through your BatGap interview, but unlike Ravi's interview---which is riveting---yours is pretty tough sledding---regret I couldn't finish it; started cleaning DVD's after a minute or two. I'd think with the talent we have around here---Ravi, Rory and Robin---you'd be a bit intimated coming out of the closet on this forum. Oh well, we'll give you a star for effort---if not effortlessness. Have you been checked lately---I'm surprised the Nabster hasn't asked? I know how much you enjoy being Wally ---so I thought we'd put Rowing... into syndication. I thought this episode would be the ticket. The Spacecraft Sharma-dum (de Dum Dum) hovers in the night sky over the Arabian Gulf. The humidity sweating off the surface of the Gulf covers the windows of the Sharma in perspiration. In the distance, gas flares fracture the blackness of the desert night. Below the Sharma, American destroyers track supertankers; like jaguars eying a bloat of hippos---looking for the weak and infirm. In the middle of the blackness of the desert, the lights of the city of Doha illuminate the night sky, dispersing light like the finest jeweled carvings---from the lapidaries of Idar-Oberstein. INT. THE SPACECRAFT SHARMA-DUM (de DUM DUM). We hear the unmistakable sound of Wally snoring. The spacecraft is dark except for the light shining on the large meeting table. At one end of the table the Zebra is reading a large bible. He is wearing glasses and his unicorn horn is gone. VO And whenever you stand praying,... We hear a familiar giggle. The Zebra looks up and sees Maharishi strangely fading. Maharishi (giggling) I thought 'condemned' was a bit strong. VO ...forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses-Mark 11:25 The Zebra looks up and Maharishi has disappeared. We still hear his giggling. Wally's snoring continues, we hear him groan. WALLY'S DREAM SEQUENCE-DAY Wally walks in into The Champagne Bar of the Plaza Hotel on Central Park South. The other customers sit at tables with their backs to him. The bar is empty as Wally takes a stool. A bartender stands behind the bar reading a book. Wally A glass of your finest---my man. The bartender pulls a stopper out of an opened bottle of Dom Perignon and starts to fill a flute glass for Wally. Wally This is the Plaza, isn't it? Bartender Yes sir, it certainly is. Wally Well then, gets us a new bottle, it must be sundown somewhere! Wally chuckles at his own joke, as the bartender pops the cork of a fresh bottle. He looks over to the other customers’, but they keep speaking in hushed tones and do not turn around. The bartender fills Wally's glass. Wally looks over at a reproduction of a renaissance painting of an effeminate looking boy picking up a piece of fruit near a crystal flower vase. Wally looks back at his glass of champagne and puts his finger in the glass and then puts it in his mouth and licks it. Wally What are you reading? Bartender It a novel about the about the painter Caravaggio. Wally Really, I don't read novels anymore. They're pretty much all the same. Bartender Its an excellent story. The bartender points at the reproduction. Bartender (con't) That poster is one of his paintings. Its called 'Boy Bitten by a Lizard'. CLOSE UP ON THE REPRODUCTION As Wally stares at the poster it begins to change and the finger of the boys’ innocent hand is bitten by a lizard. The boy recoils but the lizard bites more deeply. Pull back we see Wally jump as he pulls his finger out of the champagne flute with a lizard biting the end of his finger. As he recoils Wally looks down and sees lizards cawing up his pant leg. He
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that was easy... From: whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:28:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People Selective recap of Barry's Dislike List: One Billion Indians, Three Hundred Million Americans and now #40, Over a Billion Chinese. Thank God you are way over there, and I am way over here. Is it because you think we all *smell* different from you? ...if you can tell us apart, that is... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: 11. Bob Price 12. Women who are still moist 13. Johannes Vermeer 14. Architecture 15. Literature 16. Tao Te Ching 17. Well written drama 18. Pushing buttons of the poorly read. 19. Chopping wood; Carrying water. 20. Writing 21. Great cafe's 22. Humor 23. Hot Cars 24. Young Women 25. Travel 26. Intelligent conversation 27. Slumming and pushing the buttons of his inferiors 28. Freedom 29. Outing liars and nut-jobs 30. Teasing nut-jobs 31. Cleaning DVD's 32. Pointing out the obvious about MMY and the deadenders. 33. Getting real. 34. Film and television reviews 35. Tom 36. Fine beer 37. Writing fiction 38. Women of child bearing ages. 39. China 40. Japan 41. Europe 42. North America 43. South America 44. Australia 45. Good company 46. FFL 47. Rick Archer 48. Homes on the Pacific 49. Code that easy to explain. 50. European trains with WIFI 51. Dogs Good list. About the only one you missed as one of the things I like is China. SO not a fan. :-)
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Oh, the laser thing? Sorry about that. I really wanted you to be able to hold onto your prejudices about me being dumb and poorly read, but dammit, reality intrudes... Better luck next time, suckah - Anyway, look it up - The FOBA G10 DP-50 laser, running Fobagraf, Laser Type 3, EMC and IMP software. Please let me know if you would like further clarification, Bob. Well, back at it. Thanks for the on-going entertainment! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: yeah, right:-) From: whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:23:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People Yeah, I haven't listened to my BatGap interview myself, so you got farther with it than I did. If only I were here to make my mark as a spiritual teacher, I would have put a premium on entertaining you Bob during my airtime, for future fleecing opportunities.:-) Anyway, I am currently busy writing a certification for an industrial laser, so I'll give the fiction a pass, k? Keep up with it though - you may get published someday. And enjoy all of your Moist Women too, whilst rooting for truffles, Bob. Toodles! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: Yo Whynow, You specials, are so, well, you know---special. Its always such a chuckle hearing someone so below par at creating fiction bragging about giving up fiction---wonder if there is a correlation? I attempted to get through your BatGap interview, but unlike Ravi's interview---which is riveting---yours is pretty tough sledding---regret I couldn't finish it; started cleaning DVD's after a minute or two. I'd think with the talent we have around here---Ravi, Rory and Robin---you'd be a bit intimated coming out of the closet on this forum. Oh well, we'll give you a star for effort---if not effortlessness. Have you been checked lately---I'm surprised the Nabster hasn't asked? I know how much you enjoy being Wally ---so I thought we'd put Rowing... into syndication. I thought this episode would be the ticket. The Spacecraft Sharma-dum (de Dum Dum) hovers in the night sky over the Arabian Gulf. The humidity sweating off the surface of the Gulf covers the windows of the Sharma inàperspiration. In the distance, gas flares fracture the blackness of the desert night. Below the Sharma, American destroyers track supertankers; like jaguars eying a bloat of hippos---looking for the weak and infirm. In the middle of the blackness of the desert, the lights of the city of Doha illuminate the night sky, dispersing light like the finest jeweled carvings---from the lapidaries of Idar-Oberstein. INT. THE SPACECRAFT SHARMA-DUM (de DUM DUM). We hear the unmistakable sound of Wally snoring. The spacecraft is dark except for the light shining on the large meeting table. At one end of the table the Zebra is reading a large bible. He is wearing glasses and his unicorn horn is gone.àVO And whenever you stand praying,... We hear a familiar giggle. The Zebra looks up and sees Maharishi strangely fading. Maharishi (giggling)àI thought 'condemned' was a bit strong. VO ...forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses-Mark 11:25 The Zebra looks up and Maharishi has disappeared. We still hear hisàgiggling. Wally's snoring continues, we hear him groan. WALLY'S DREAM SEQUENCE-DAY Wally walks in into The Champagne Bar of the Plaza Hotel on Central Park South. The other customers sit at tables with their backs to him. The bar is empty as Wally takes a stool. A bartender stands behind the bar reading a book. Wally A glass of your finest---my man. The bartender pulls a stopper out of an opened bottle of Dom Perignon and starts to fill a flute glass for Wally. Wally This is the Plaza, isn't it? Bartender Yes sir, it certainly is. Wally Well then, gets us a new bottle, it must be sundown somewhere! Wally chuckles at his own joke, as the bartender pops the cork of a fresh bottle. He looks over to the other customersââ¬â¢, but they keep speaking in hushed tones and do not turn around. The bartender fills Wally's glass. Wally looks over at a reproduction of a renaissance painting of an effeminate looking boy picking up a piece of fruit near a crystal flower vase. Wally looks back at his glass of champagne and puts his finger in the glass and then puts it in his mouth and licks it. Wally What are you reading?àBartender It a novel about the about the painter Caravaggio. Wally Really, I don't
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:-) From: whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:38:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People Oh, the laser thing? Sorry about that. I really wanted you to be able to hold onto your prejudices about me being dumb and poorly read, but dammit, reality intrudes... Better luck next time, suckah - Anyway, look it up - The FOBA G10 DP-50 laser, running Fobagraf, Laser Type 3, EMC and IMP software. Please let me know if you would like further clarification, Bob. Well, back at it. Thanks for the on-going entertainment! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: yeah, right:-) From: whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:23:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People Yeah, I haven't listened to my BatGap interview myself, so you got farther with it than I did. If only I were here to make my mark as a spiritual teacher, I would have put a premium on entertaining you Bob during my airtime, for future fleecing opportunities.:-) Anyway, I am currently busy writing a certification for an industrial laser, so I'll give the fiction a pass, k? Keep up with it though - you may get published someday. And enjoy all of your Moist Women too, whilst rooting for truffles, Bob. Toodles! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: Yo Whynow, You specials, are so, well, you know---special. Its always such a chuckle hearing someone so below par at creating fiction bragging about giving up fiction---wonder if there is a correlation? I attempted to get through your BatGap interview, but unlike Ravi's interview---which is riveting---yours is pretty tough sledding---regret I couldn't finish it; started cleaning DVD's after a minute or two. I'd think with the talent we have around here---Ravi, Rory and Robin---you'd be a bit intimated coming out of the closet on this forum. Oh well, we'll give you a star for effort---if not effortlessness. Have you been checked lately---I'm surprised the Nabster hasn't asked? I know how much you enjoy being Wally ---so I thought we'd put Rowing... into syndication. I thought this episode would be the ticket. The Spacecraft Sharma-dum (de Dum Dum) hovers in the night sky over the Arabian Gulf. The humidity sweating off the surface of the Gulf covers the windows of the Sharma in perspiration. In the distance, gas flares fracture the blackness of the desert night. Below the Sharma, American destroyers track supertankers; like jaguars eying a bloat of hippos---looking for the weak and infirm. In the middle of the blackness of the desert, the lights of the city of Doha illuminate the night sky, dispersing light like the finest jeweled carvings---from the lapidaries of Idar-Oberstein. INT. THE SPACECRAFT SHARMA-DUM (de DUM DUM). We hear the unmistakable sound of Wally snoring. The spacecraft is dark except for the light shining on the large meeting table. At one end of the table the Zebra is reading a large bible. He is wearing glasses and his unicorn horn is gone. VO And whenever you stand praying,... We hear a familiar giggle. The Zebra looks up and sees Maharishi strangely fading. Maharishi (giggling) I thought 'condemned' was a bit strong. VO ...forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses-Mark 11:25 The Zebra looks up and Maharishi has disappeared. We still hear his giggling. Wally's snoring continues, we hear him groan. WALLY'S DREAM SEQUENCE-DAY Wally walks in into The Champagne Bar of the Plaza Hotel on Central Park South. The other customers sit at tables with their backs to him. The bar is empty as Wally takes a stool. A bartender stands behind the bar reading a book. Wally A glass of your finest---my man. The bartender pulls a stopper out of an opened bottle of Dom Perignon and starts to fill a flute glass for Wally. Wally This is the Plaza, isn't it? Bartender Yes sir, it certainly is. Wally Well then, gets us a new bottle, it must be sundown somewhere! Wally chuckles at his own joke, as the bartender pops the cork of a fresh bottle. He looks over to the other customers’, but they keep speaking in hushed tones and do not turn around. The bartender fills Wally's glass. Wally looks over at a reproduction of a renaissance painting of an effeminate looking boy picking up a piece of fruit near a crystal flower vase. Wally looks back at his glass of champagne and puts
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: that was easy... Easy prey don't realize they're easy prey. :-) From: whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:28:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People Selective recap of Barry's Dislike List: One Billion Indians, Three Hundred Million Americans and now #40, Over a Billion Chinese. Thank God you are way over there, and I am way over here. Is it because you think we all *smell* different from you? ...if you can tell us apart, that is... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: 11. Bob Price 12. Women who are still moist 13. Johannes Vermeer 14. Architecture 15. Literature 16. Tao Te Ching 17. Well written drama 18. Pushing buttons of the poorly read. 19. Chopping wood; Carrying water. 20. Writing 21. Great cafe's 22. Humor 23. Hot Cars 24. Young Women 25. Travel 26. Intelligent conversation 27. Slumming and pushing the buttons of his inferiors 28. Freedom 29. Outing liars and nut-jobs 30. Teasing nut-jobs 31. Cleaning DVD's 32. Pointing out the obvious about MMY and the deadenders. 33. Getting real. 34. Film and television reviews 35. Tom 36. Fine beer 37. Writing fiction 38. Women of child bearing ages. 39. China 40. Japan 41. Europe 42. North America 43. South America 44. Australia 45. Good company 46. FFL 47. Rick Archer 48. Homes on the Pacific 49. Code that easy to explain. 50. European trains with WIFI 51. Dogs Good list. About the only one you missed as one of the things I like is China. SO not a fan. :-) Â
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Maybe the most ironic utterance I have ever come across (seen in context). Whew. I thought Letterman had a hold of something, You, Barry: you make Letterman seem like Oral Roberts. I think we should take up a fund in gratitude for the wisdom you condescend to provide us with little aphorisms like this one. It has certainly changed me, Barry. I kiss your hand amongst the lovely stars asunder. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: that was easy... Easy prey don't realize they're easy prey. :-) From: whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:28:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People Selective recap of Barry's Dislike List: One Billion Indians, Three Hundred Million Americans and now #40, Over a Billion Chinese. Thank God you are way over there, and I am way over here. Is it because you think we all *smell* different from you? ...if you can tell us apart, that is... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: 11. Bob Price 12. Women who are still moist 13. Johannes Vermeer 14. Architecture 15. Literature 16. Tao Te Ching 17. Well written drama 18. Pushing buttons of the poorly read. 19. Chopping wood; Carrying water. 20. Writing 21. Great cafe's 22. Humor 23. Hot Cars 24. Young Women 25. Travel 26. Intelligent conversation 27. Slumming and pushing the buttons of his inferiors 28. Freedom 29. Outing liars and nut-jobs 30. Teasing nut-jobs 31. Cleaning DVD's 32. Pointing out the obvious about MMY and the deadenders. 33. Getting real. 34. Film and television reviews 35. Tom 36. Fine beer 37. Writing fiction 38. Women of child bearing ages. 39. China 40. Japan 41. Europe 42. North America 43. South America 44. Australia 45. Good company 46. FFL 47. Rick Archer 48. Homes on the Pacific 49. Code that easy to explain. 50. European trains with WIFI 51. Dogs Good list. About the only one you missed as one of the things I like is China. SO not a fan. :-) Â
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Oh please, don't flatter yourself Barry.:-) Is being a racist part of your free and easy lifestyle, or do you just play one on TV? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: that was easy... Easy prey don't realize they're easy prey. :-) From: whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:28:30 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Tale Of Four Enlightened People Selective recap of Barry's Dislike List: One Billion Indians, Three Hundred Million Americans and now #40, Over a Billion Chinese. Thank God you are way over there, and I am way over here. Is it because you think we all *smell* different from you? ...if you can tell us apart, that is... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@ wrote: 11. Bob Price 12. Women who are still moist 13. Johannes Vermeer 14. Architecture 15. Literature 16. Tao Te Ching 17. Well written drama 18. Pushing buttons of the poorly read. 19. Chopping wood; Carrying water. 20. Writing 21. Great cafe's 22. Humor 23. Hot Cars 24. Young Women 25. Travel 26. Intelligent conversation 27. Slumming and pushing the buttons of his inferiors 28. Freedom 29. Outing liars and nut-jobs 30. Teasing nut-jobs 31. Cleaning DVD's 32. Pointing out the obvious about MMY and the deadenders. 33. Getting real. 34. Film and television reviews 35. Tom 36. Fine beer 37. Writing fiction 38. Women of child bearing ages. 39. China 40. Japan 41. Europe 42. North America 43. South America 44. Australia 45. Good company 46. FFL 47. Rick Archer 48. Homes on the Pacific 49. Code that easy to explain. 50. European trains with WIFI 51. Dogs Good list. About the only one you missed as one of the things I like is China. SO not a fan. :-) Â
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More: Movies about trolls. Documentaries (would rather watch paint dry). ;-) On 10/12/2011 11:44 PM, Ravi Yogi wrote: LOL..thanks Jim, this was really funny, a whole phone book huh? Wow..LOL. My favorites - #2, #16, #20 and #25. Here's more 27. Robin28. Dan --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7whynotnow7@... wrote: I think there are too many people he doesn't like, here and elsewhere, to be covered in a simple autobiography - perhaps add a phonebook-like appendix? From what I have observed, Barry dislikes: 1. Older women. 2. people who wait for walk signs (vs. jaywalking). 3. People in Amsterdam cafes. 4. Americans. 5. People who discuss personal spiritual experiences. 6. Followers of Maharishi. 7. People he deems dumber than him (everyone is, of course). 8. Judy. 9. Me. 10. Nabby. 11. Ravi. 12. Buck. 13. Shukra69. 14. Raunchydog. 15. Rory. 16. Newcomers to FFL. 17. Those who are politically conservative. 18. Practitioners of TM. 19. Emptybill. 20. Current followers of Freddy Lenz. 21. Women in Spain (now that he has left). 22. Women in France (now that he has left). 23. People who can't laugh at themselves (LOL). 24. Those who disagree with his movie reviews. 25. Women who try to talk to him while he is driving. 26. People who express spiritual liberation. That's all I can come up with at the moment for Mr. Wonderful. I'd enjoy it if someone would extend this list, starting with the number 27. Let's see how long this list can grow! I'm sure Barry could double or even triple its length without breaking a sweat. Help us out Barry, eh? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybillemptybill@ wrote: Heh, ease off of the old man. His writing is just soliloquy. He doesn't actually discern that other people are really there. He thinks we are all characters in some novel he is writing and that Judy is his eyes-open nightmare. I told him once he should forget the novel about the Cathars he supposedly moved to Yurrup to write and start writing his autobiography instead. He could use all the criticisms of me and the other folks he doesn't like that he's posted here and just change the pronouns so they refer to himself. Then everyone would congratulate him on his honesty and deep self-knowledge.
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Tom Pall wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:12 PM, richardwillytexwilliams willy...@yahoo.com wrote: The poor fellow MUST be frustrated and angry... Tom Pall: Where do I find these easy rules? I'm too busy trying figure out which direction to face when I take crap in the morning... Have you figured out which corn cob to use - brown or white, wet or dry? Corn cob? Might be worth a try. Someone gave me a toilet brush for Christmas. After a few weeks I switched back to using paper. Corn cob??? For all the good it'll do you, you might as well stuff it up your ass. But I know what you mean about the toilet brush. Somebody once gave me some eau de toilette, but the taste was so perfume-like that I also had to go back. P Duff -- Dirt kicked to the curb goes into the gutter. Professionals kicked to the curb go into retail.
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This post is even scarier than his previous one in the extent of its fantasizing. But the motivation for it is clear. We all know that the only reason Barry is so fascinated by this series is that it gives him the opportunity to put down the people he doesn't like on FFL, especially those who have dared to talk about what they consider their enlightenment. He didn't get the reaction he wanted to his first posts, so now he's doubling down on the putdowns. But those putdowns have become so extreme, so off the wall, his descriptions of behavior so completely unlike anybody's actual behavior here, the histories he relates such gross misrepresentations of what actually happened, that he's clearly deep into deluded territory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip Seriously, is there anyone on this forum willing to step up to the plate and say that they actually *believe* that Robin, Jim and Ravi are actually enlightened? If so, are you comfortable with the day-to-day way that they conduct themselves, as a kind of demo or role model of what enlightenment should be or will be for you when you achieve it? Does their example make you want to become all enlightened yourself? Honestly curious. Well, he's not honestly curious, of course. He's hoping to inspire responses he can use as more fodder for his putdowns. But I'll answer his questions straightforwardly. (After all, curious as he pretends to be, he won't read my responses, so I'm safe.) I have *no idea* whether the three of them are (or were, in Robin's case) actually enlightened. I wouldn't be shocked if they were, I wouldn't be shocked if they weren't. It isn't of concern to me either way. I'm completely comfortable with the day-to-day way they conduct themselves. They're all very smart and thoughtful, they all have a good sense of humor; I find most of their posts pretty interesting. But I don't see them as demos or role models of enlightenment because I don't think any such thing exists. I think the notion that it does generates serious confusion about the nature of enlightenment. (It also, of course, generates opportunities for those who are troubled by their own failure to achieve enlightenment to attack those who consider themselves to have achieved it.) The example of these three has ZERO influence on my motivation to continue to meditate and see where it takes me. I've very much enjoyed the journey so far.
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Exactly. What you recount of my first few years after liberation is a great example of what I just posted about growing silence. When I first experienced my enlightenment, I was both insecure about it, and defiant too. The experience of silence along with activity and the dissolution of my cocooned ego became permanent one day, and I thought, wow, it actually happened!. However, when I spoke about that experience on here, it was strongly challenged, and I fought fire with fire for awhile, seeing those who challenged me as foes, not recognizing at the time, that the silence and calm would continue to permeate everything. Some of what I said was appropriate, for example, my insistence which I carry to this day that *anyone* can achieve surrender and liberation. Anyway, what has happened since that day in the Spring of 2005 when I dissolved into freedom, more or less, is that my silence and peace of mind has deepened to the point where everything that was a challenge, and unraveling, when I first began living my liberation is no longer seen or experienced in the same way. There is a confidence in this growing silence and peacefulness that makes someone saying something about me or my experience inconsequential. Thanks for bringing all of that up. Seriously, it is enjoyable to see how far the journey has taken me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: The example of a possibly enlightened person being featured in a weekly TV series on national television in the US presents us with a remarkable opportunity. In Enlightened, the character of Amy shows us a person who was obviously, certifiably crazy (she was, in fact, certified -- legally forced to seek therapy) having a subjective experience that she associates with enlightenment, and then afterwards expects people around her to react to how she feels inside rather than how she acts on the outside, in real life. She considers herself an agent of change, and expects everyone around her TO change, just as a result of coming into contact with her. I think this fictional situation really begs to be compared TO real life, and how three other people have acted on the outside in real life, both in Fairfield and here on FFL. Let's compare Amy to Robin, Jim, and Ravi. Robin is pretty much yer classic spiritual crazy. Back in the day, he had some subjective experiences that he interpreted as enlightenment, and felt (and acted) as if everyone around him should react to his pronouncement of his own enlightenment not only as if him saying it was true made it true, but as if now he was some kind of special person, one whose words had weight, and should be listened to and paid attention to as if he were really, really, REALLY special -- one of the enlightened whose wordiness is next to Godliness. We all know how that worked out. Most people laughed at him. Heck, even Maharishi -- who he was expecting to climb onto the Robin is enlightened bus and support him -- regarded him as a crazy person. So how did he react to that? He acted even crazier. We are talking, after all, about someone so crazy and so convinced that everyone should regard what he said as Truth that he rented a plane and dropped leaflets of his own tracts on MIU. Crazy. Bedbug crazy. And now, years later, having disavowed the enlightened thang but still as narcissistic as it gets and still as convinced of his own specialnessitude, he writes long, long, long solipcistic tracts here and *still* expects everyone to not only read them, but treat them as the Truth he is convinced they are. If anyone (such as myself, or Tom, or others) suggests that he's still more than a little bedbug crazy, he lashes out at them and tries to portray them negatively and demonize them. THIS is the model of enlightened behavior that Robin presents to the world, and to us. Now think Jim Flanegin. When he first appeared on FFL, pronouncing *his* enlightenment, he was laughed at, too. Suffice it to say he reacted...uh...badly. He launched into long, abusive tirades against anyone who failed to believe in his enlightenmentnessitude, so much so that he embarrassed himself thoroughly and finally skulked off of the forum in disgrace. Then, not content with that, he came back two more times, anonymously. He made up new screen names and pretended that they weren't really him, and started the same abusive routine again, consistently lashing out at those who failed to treat him the way someone enlightened should be treated. Busted on both of those attempts to conceal his identity, now he's back in a fourth incarnation on FFL, *still* being easily the person on this forum whose buttons are most easily pushed, still lashing out at anyone who challenges either his own supposed enlightened status or challenges the things he believes to be true. THIS is the model of enlightened behavior that Jim believes in, and presents to us.
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On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:22 AM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote: This post is even scarier than his previous one in the extent of its fantasizing. But the motivation for it is clear. We all know that the only reason Barry is so fascinated by this series is that it gives him the opportunity to put down the people he doesn't like on FFL, especially those who have dared to talk about what they consider their enlightenment. Could someone give me the name, time and cable station offering this series so I can join Barry in spewing hate on those self-proclaimed enlightened, uh, well-I-thought-I-was-enlightened people? It's interesting to me that even when I never address these people, I see they are inflamed and lash out at me spewing hate when it's not even in their direction, they matter so little in my scheme of things.
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What else can he do? He is unaware that he creates the Jim who is always losing his temper, or the crazy Ravi, or the egomaniacal Robin. Those stories about us are his creation, and really have very little to do with us or our personalities. For some reason he exaggerates these aspects of us so he can get angry at those projected images. I honestly don't think he can help himself. He just sounds kind of pissed off and confused like a lot of people, insisting on the reality of his stories. That is all they are though, is stories, and Ravi, I, and Robin have figured this out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: This post is even scarier than his previous one in the extent of its fantasizing. But the motivation for it is clear. We all know that the only reason Barry is so fascinated by this series is that it gives him the opportunity to put down the people he doesn't like on FFL, especially those who have dared to talk about what they consider their enlightenment. He didn't get the reaction he wanted to his first posts, so now he's doubling down on the putdowns. But those putdowns have become so extreme, so off the wall, his descriptions of behavior so completely unlike anybody's actual behavior here, the histories he relates such gross misrepresentations of what actually happened, that he's clearly deep into deluded territory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Seriously, is there anyone on this forum willing to step up to the plate and say that they actually *believe* that Robin, Jim and Ravi are actually enlightened? If so, are you comfortable with the day-to-day way that they conduct themselves, as a kind of demo or role model of what enlightenment should be or will be for you when you achieve it? Does their example make you want to become all enlightened yourself? Honestly curious. Well, he's not honestly curious, of course. He's hoping to inspire responses he can use as more fodder for his putdowns. But I'll answer his questions straightforwardly. (After all, curious as he pretends to be, he won't read my responses, so I'm safe.) I have *no idea* whether the three of them are (or were, in Robin's case) actually enlightened. I wouldn't be shocked if they were, I wouldn't be shocked if they weren't. It isn't of concern to me either way. I'm completely comfortable with the day-to-day way they conduct themselves. They're all very smart and thoughtful, they all have a good sense of humor; I find most of their posts pretty interesting. But I don't see them as demos or role models of enlightenment because I don't think any such thing exists. I think the notion that it does generates serious confusion about the nature of enlightenment. (It also, of course, generates opportunities for those who are troubled by their own failure to achieve enlightenment to attack those who consider themselves to have achieved it.) The example of these three has ZERO influence on my motivation to continue to meditate and see where it takes me. I've very much enjoyed the journey so far.
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LOL- yeah, that's me Tom, ol' hate spewer himself.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:22 AM, authfriend jstein@... wrote: This post is even scarier than his previous one in the extent of its fantasizing. But the motivation for it is clear. We all know that the only reason Barry is so fascinated by this series is that it gives him the opportunity to put down the people he doesn't like on FFL, especially those who have dared to talk about what they consider their enlightenment. Could someone give me the name, time and cable station offering this series so I can join Barry in spewing hate on those self-proclaimed enlightened, uh, well-I-thought-I-was-enlightened people? It's interesting to me that even when I never address these people, I see they are inflamed and lash out at me spewing hate when it's not even in their direction, they matter so little in my scheme of things.
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On Oct 12, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Tom Pall wrote: Could someone give me the name, time and cable station offering this series so I can join Barry in spewing hate on those self- proclaimed enlightened, uh, well-I-thought-I-was-enlightened people? It's interesting to me that even when I never address these people, I see they are inflamed and lash out at me spewing hate when it's not even in their direction, they matter so little in my scheme of things. Hate-darshan, gotta love it. Come and get your hate-darshan for free you f*cking assh*les! Hey, at least they didn't make you sit on their lap and cop a feel for your penis - perhaps while showing you some sleight of hand tricks... ;-)
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On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: On Oct 12, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Tom Pall wrote: Could someone give me the name, time and cable station offering this series so I can join Barry in spewing hate on those self-proclaimed enlightened, uh, well-I-thought-I-was-enlightened people? It's interesting to me that even when I never address these people, I see they are inflamed and lash out at me spewing hate when it's not even in their direction, they matter so little in my scheme of things. Hate-darshan, gotta love it. Come and get your hate-darshan for free you f*cking assh*les! Hey, at least they didn't make you sit on their lap and cop a feel for your penis - perhaps while showing you some sleight of hand tricks... ;-) Better things can happen to me. Like that time I got talked into wearing a kilt to a costume party. Got drunk as Hell at the party, staggered to my car, fell asleep beside it.I'm told that two young ladies passed by, wondered to each other whether or not it's true men don't wear anything under their kilts. Well, I was stone cold out when it appears they lifted up my kilt. They saw I was in the state God made me. As they left, one said to the other that perhaps they should leave a little momento of their visit. One happened to have some blue ribbon in her purse. Every so quietly they tied it around my pride and joy then left. Nature called, I went over to the bushes and felt the ribbon. I looked down and said well, I don't know where you've been, Lad, but at least you won first prize.
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On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: On Oct 12, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Tom Pall wrote: Could someone give me the name, time and cable station offering this series so I can join Barry in spewing hate on those self-proclaimed enlightened, uh, well-I-thought-I-was-enlightened people? It's interesting to me that even when I never address these people, I see they are inflamed and lash out at me spewing hate when it's not even in their direction, they matter so little in my scheme of things. Hate-darshan, gotta love it. Come and get your hate-darshan for free you f*cking assh*les! Hey, at least they didn't make you sit on their lap and cop a feel for your penis - perhaps while showing you some sleight of hand tricks... ;-) Hold on there, Vaj. Is the RC posting here the same guy who gave the you're enlightened already seminars at the Best Western and played hide the salami with underage boys in his mobile home on the BW parking lot?
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On 10/12/2011 09:33 AM, Tom Pall wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:22 AM, authfriendjst...@panix.com wrote: This post is even scarier than his previous one in the extent of its fantasizing. But the motivation for it is clear. We all know that the only reason Barry is so fascinated by this series is that it gives him the opportunity to put down the people he doesn't like on FFL, especially those who have dared to talk about what they consider their enlightenment. Could someone give me the name, time and cable station offering this series so I can join Barry in spewing hate on those self-proclaimed enlightened, uh, well-I-thought-I-was-enlightened people? It's interesting to me that even when I never address these people, I see they are inflamed and lash out at me spewing hate when it's not even in their direction, they matter so little in my scheme of things. It's HBO. Do you have a subscription to it? It should be repeating throughout the week and available OnDemand. If you are still traveling and in a hotel check to see if they have HBO on the TV as some do. Otherwise there is always the eyepatch solution. New episodes air at 9:30 PM Mondays.
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On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: It's HBO. Do you have a subscription to it? It should be repeating throughout the week and available OnDemand. If you are still traveling and in a hotel check to see if they have HBO on the TV as some do. Otherwise there is always the eyepatch solution. New episodes air at 9:30 PM Mondays. Thanks, but I'm in a hotel that appeals more to dudes. Lots of ESPN, Showtime, PPV and FOX. Within stumbling distance from South Carolina, which pretty much serves as the Barbary Coast to North Carolina. There's even a big flea market right across the border that appeals to the Hispanic population, plus the sports bars, liquor stores and mega gas stations which sell gas $0.20-0.80 less per gallon than available anywhere in N.C. Also raw milk, free range chickens and eggs. I'd imagine meth is available so one doesn't have to drive all the way to Heavenly Mountain to get some.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: What else can he do? He is unaware that he creates the Jim who is always losing his temper, or the crazy Ravi, or the egomaniacal Robin. Those stories about us are his creation, and really have very little to do with us or our personalities. For some reason he exaggerates these aspects of us so he can get angry at those projected images. I honestly don't think he can help himself. He just sounds kind of pissed off and confused like a lot of people, insisting on the reality of his stories. That is all they are though, is stories, and Ravi, I, and Robin have figured this out. I sympatize with the Turqo; I mean, what else can he do other than what is described above ? The poor fellow MUST be frustrated and angry, it's the most natural state for such a human being. First he joined the movement of a real Yogi, then unable to follow his easy rules he got bored and left, (well, that's his own story anyway). Restlessness carried him to yet another teacher who eventually killed himself. Somewhere inside his subconsciousness the Turqo is well aware that he missed the only chance he had to gain enlightenment by dropping TM, then spent the rest of his life in a meaningless limbo. I've seen that happen to a few others I know who are also approaching old age with little or nothing in their hands, who share his deep frustrations of a life which missed the target so miserably. He certainly has my deepest sympathy, but he should have seen it coming.
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On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:28 PM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: What else can he do? He is unaware that he creates the Jim who is always losing his temper, or the crazy Ravi, or the egomaniacal Robin. Those stories about us are his creation, and really have very little to do with us or our personalities. For some reason he exaggerates these aspects of us so he can get angry at those projected images. I honestly don't think he can help himself. He just sounds kind of pissed off and confused like a lot of people, insisting on the reality of his stories. That is all they are though, is stories, and Ravi, I, and Robin have figured this out. I sympatize with the Turqo; I mean, what else can he do other than what is described above ? The poor fellow MUST be frustrated and angry, it's the most natural state for such a human being. First he joined the movement of a real Yogi, then unable to follow his easy rules he got bored and left, (well, that's his own story anyway). Where do I find these easy rules? I'm too busy trying figure out which direction to face when I take crap in the morning, too busy greasing myself up like I'm going to a star in a greased pig contest, too busy trying to figure out what to eat for breakfast, be it what my mother cooked for me (recycled concentration camp food), a boiled apple, something appropriate to my dosha (kilbasa and eggs, an Irish Fry, the full monty) or nothing at all and in which direction to face. Heck, when I started TM I had time to do TM. Now I'm so confused about which rule, issued which day, month, year, in which country, to follow that I don't have time to meditate.
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Your assessment rings true to me also. Dude tries to be all free and easy, but that's just it, he tries, and the effort shows. Enough about him. Anyway, I just bought a beautiful XK8 coupe over the weekend, so I think I will go drive around - I am using any excuse to do so, although the car always wants to exceed the speed limit - go figure.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: What else can he do? He is unaware that he creates the Jim who is always losing his temper, or the crazy Ravi, or the egomaniacal Robin. Those stories about us are his creation, and really have very little to do with us or our personalities. For some reason he exaggerates these aspects of us so he can get angry at those projected images. I honestly don't think he can help himself. He just sounds kind of pissed off and confused like a lot of people, insisting on the reality of his stories. That is all they are though, is stories, and Ravi, I, and Robin have figured this out. I sympatize with the Turqo; I mean, what else can he do other than what is described above ? The poor fellow MUST be frustrated and angry, it's the most natural state for such a human being. First he joined the movement of a real Yogi, then unable to follow his easy rules he got bored and left, (well, that's his own story anyway). Restlessness carried him to yet another teacher who eventually killed himself. Somewhere inside his subconsciousness the Turqo is well aware that he missed the only chance he had to gain enlightenment by dropping TM, then spent the rest of his life in a meaningless limbo. I've seen that happen to a few others I know who are also approaching old age with little or nothing in their hands, who share his deep frustrations of a life which missed the target so miserably. He certainly has my deepest sympathy, but he should have seen it coming.
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The poor fellow MUST be frustrated and angry... Tom Pall: Where do I find these easy rules? I'm too busy trying figure out which direction to face when I take crap in the morning... Have you figured out which corn cob to use - brown or white, wet or dry?
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On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:12 PM, richardwillytexwilliams willy...@yahoo.com wrote: The poor fellow MUST be frustrated and angry... Tom Pall: Where do I find these easy rules? I'm too busy trying figure out which direction to face when I take crap in the morning... Have you figured out which corn cob to use - brown or white, wet or dry? Corn cob? Might be worth a try. Someone gave me a toilet brush for Christmas. After a few weeks I switched back to using paper.
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On topic and off topic of corn cobs, years ago, someone wrote a bunch of in TMO humor songs. I think one was entitled, My experience is better than yours. It made me crack up when I heard this compilation of songs. I would love to hear them again. Does anyone have a link to them? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:12 PM, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: The poor fellow MUST be frustrated and angry... Tom Pall: Where do I find these easy rules? I'm too busy trying figure out which direction to face when I take crap in the morning... Have you figured out which corn cob to use - brown or white, wet or dry? Corn cob? Might be worth a try. Someone gave me a toilet brush for Christmas. After a few weeks I switched back to using paper.
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Heh, ease off of the old man. His writing is just soliloquy. He doesn't actually discern that other people are really there. He thinks we are all characters in some novel he is writing and that Judy is his eyes-open nightmare. His paradigm for reflexive awarenss is John Brunner's famous line: Christ, what an imagination I've got! (see below) In Stand on Zanzabar -- John Brunner's great, sprawling, sprinting, lunatic of a novel written in 1968 the author foresees the world of 2010 as a place where http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StandOnZanzibar : the population of Earth has reached 7 billion. The Soviet Union is defunct as a superpower, but China is rapidly industrializing and increasing in power. Giant corporations have large enough economies to control entire countries. In-vitro fertilization and genetic mapping are becoming a reality. A computer the size of a large book is more powerful than the most massive supercomputers of the Sixties. Personalized digital avatars of yourself feature in everyday entertainment. Religious denominations are rapidly polarizing on moral issues like abortion. And ordinary people suddenly snap and go on killing sprees in schools, workplaces, and malls. One of the famous through lines of the multi-viewpoint novel is provided by a stoner named Bennie Noakes, who spends most of his time wasted on a drug called Triptine, randomly flipping through the 1000 channels available on the teevee and musing Christ, what an imagination I've got! because the sheer weirdness of what he is seeing is getting so dense that it has become impossible for him to believe it. \ .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: What else can he do? He is unaware that he creates the Jim who is always losing his temper, or the crazy Ravi, or the egomaniacal Robin. Those stories about us are his creation, and really have very little to do with us or our personalities. For some reason he exaggerates these aspects of us so he can get angry at those projected images. I honestly don't think he can help himself. He just sounds kind of pissed off and confused like a lot of people, insisting on the reality of his stories. That is all they are though, is stories, and Ravi, I, and Robin have figured this out.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Heh, ease off of the old man. His writing is just soliloquy. He doesn't actually discern that other people are really there. He thinks we are all characters in some novel he is writing and that Judy is his eyes-open nightmare. His paradigm for reflexive awarenss is John Brunner's famous line: Christ, what an imagination I've got! snip Very funny and well said!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Heh, ease off of the old man. His writing is just soliloquy. He doesn't actually discern that other people are really there. He thinks we are all characters in some novel he is writing and that Judy is his eyes-open nightmare. I told him once he should forget the novel about the Cathars he supposedly moved to Yurrup to write and start writing his autobiography instead. He could use all the criticisms of me and the other folks he doesn't like that he's posted here and just change the pronouns so they refer to himself. Then everyone would congratulate him on his honesty and deep self-knowledge.
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Hum, not a bad idea but he has too much hubris to pull that one off. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Heh, ease off of the old man. His writing is just soliloquy. He doesn't actually discern that other people are really there. He thinks we are all characters in some novel he is writing and that Judy is his eyes-open nightmare. I told him once he should forget the novel about the Cathars he supposedly moved to Yurrup to write and start writing his autobiography instead. He could use all the criticisms of me and the other folks he doesn't like that he's posted here and just change the pronouns so they refer to himself. Then everyone would congratulate him on his honesty and deep self-knowledge.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: This post is even scarier than his previous one in the extent of its fantasizing. But the motivation for it is clear. We all know that the only reason Barry is so fascinated by this series is that it gives him the opportunity to put down the people he doesn't like on FFL, especially those who have dared to talk about what they consider their enlightenment. He didn't get the reaction he wanted to his first posts, so now he's doubling down on the putdowns. But those putdowns have become so extreme, so off the wall, his descriptions of behavior so completely unlike anybody's actual behavior here, the histories he relates such gross misrepresentations of what actually happened, It is not though. It is honest and accurate. that he's clearly deep into deluded territory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Seriously, is there anyone on this forum willing to step up to the plate and say that they actually *believe* that Robin, Jim and Ravi are actually enlightened? If so, are you comfortable with the day-to-day way that they conduct themselves, as a kind of demo or role model of what enlightenment should be or will be for you when you achieve it? Does their example make you want to become all enlightened yourself? Honestly curious. Well, he's not honestly curious, of course. He's hoping to inspire responses he can use as more fodder for his putdowns. But I'll answer his questions straightforwardly. (After all, curious as he pretends to be, he won't read my responses, so I'm safe.) I have *no idea* whether the three of them are (or were, in Robin's case) actually enlightened. I wouldn't be shocked if they were, I wouldn't be shocked if they weren't. It isn't of concern to me either way. I'm completely comfortable with the day-to-day way they conduct themselves. They're all very smart and thoughtful, they all have a good sense of humor; I find most of their posts pretty interesting. But I don't see them as demos or role models of enlightenment because I don't think any such thing exists. I think the notion that it does generates serious confusion about the nature of enlightenment. (It also, of course, generates opportunities for those who are troubled by their own failure to achieve enlightenment to attack those who consider themselves to have achieved it.) The example of these three has ZERO influence on my motivation to continue to meditate and see where it takes me. I've very much enjoyed the journey so far.
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I think there are too many people he doesn't like, here and elsewhere, to be covered in a simple autobiography - perhaps add a phonebook-like appendix? From what I have observed, Barry dislikes: 1. Older women. 2. people who wait for walk signs (vs. jaywalking). 3. People in Amsterdam cafes. 4. Americans. 5. People who discuss personal spiritual experiences. 6. Followers of Maharishi. 7. People he deems dumber than him (everyone is, of course). 8. Judy. 9. Me. 10. Nabby. 11. Ravi. 12. Buck. 13. Shukra69. 14. Raunchydog. 15. Rory. 16. Newcomers to FFL. 17. Those who are politically conservative. 18. Practitioners of TM. 19. Emptybill. 20. Current followers of Freddy Lenz. 21. Women in Spain (now that he has left). 22. Women in France (now that he has left). 23. People who can't laugh at themselves (LOL). 24. Those who disagree with his movie reviews. 25. Women who try to talk to him while he is driving. 26. People who express spiritual liberation. That's all I can come up with at the moment for Mr. Wonderful. I'd enjoy it if someone would extend this list, starting with the number 27. Let's see how long this list can grow! I'm sure Barry could double or even triple its length without breaking a sweat. Help us out Barry, eh? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: Heh, ease off of the old man. His writing is just soliloquy. He doesn't actually discern that other people are really there. He thinks we are all characters in some novel he is writing and that Judy is his eyes-open nightmare. I told him once he should forget the novel about the Cathars he supposedly moved to Yurrup to write and start writing his autobiography instead. He could use all the criticisms of me and the other folks he doesn't like that he's posted here and just change the pronouns so they refer to himself. Then everyone would congratulate him on his honesty and deep self-knowledge.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip Finally, think Ravi. His first appearance on FFL was actually more of a meltdown than the fictional Amy's. When people here failed to treat him as the enlightened being he presented himself as, he became so manic and so abusive that almost everyone on the forum was calling for some kind of intervention, to help him seek professional help and hopefully prevent him from doing harm to either himself or (more likely) to his wife. Now he's calmed down a bit, but is still in the same mould as Jim; every time someone pushes his buttons he seemingly *has* to react by insulting the person who isn't treating him the way he expects to be treated, and by trying to discredit them. THIS is the model of enlightened behavior that Ravi believes in, and presents to us as something we should both revere and hope to aspire to. WTF? Yeah WTF indeed? Really hilarious the way you spin it Barry. But what you say is right - enlightenment is nothing special and there is no need to revere the enlightened and treat them as special, conversely there is no need for the enlightened to act special, there's no moral, legal ethical code binding the outer behavior. To say that I demanded respect from anyone on this list when I came aboard is ridiculous. It's all out there, I really gave it all back and had so much fun. I have a rule - if someone lobs shit at me - I double down and lob it back - I'm a yogi you see and don't like attachments :-) Can't you see how you are contradicting yourself - you say enlightenment is nothing special but then at the same time demand some kind of morally appropriate behavior and that they need to be a role model - WTF? So I'm a low vibe slimeball narcissistic like you except enlightened, I think that's what bothers you most. That there can be someone like me who can be as rude as you but possibly enlightened. You feel ashamed of your behavior but I don't. I'm proud to be an enlightened narcissistic asshole - I have repeatedly said so. You are full of shame and guilt whereas I''m untouched by it - I playfully indulge - I can love you equally. Your behavior comes from a sense of separateness, mine comes from a sense of oneness, there's a playful detached way in how I behave that you can't measure from my words.
