[FairfieldLife] Re: An interesting parallel -- events in Iran and events at MUM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 > Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:08 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An interesting parallel -- events in Iran and > events at MUM > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > Headline in the Fairfield Ledger: "1,000 religious nuts picket MUM campus. > Vow to stay in streets until Bevan and Hag resign." > > > > Now that would be a scrambler for The Bev and The Hag, eh? > > > > Problem: they'd be chanting: "Give us Girish! Give us Girish!" > > > > Hee hee -- it never ends. > > I've said this before and am happy to say it again: MIU could relocate to > another country or continent at whatever time they think suitable. On a very > short notice indeed. MIU always was and is even today an experiment; if it > does not work properly on that soil it could and should be taken elsewhere. > > What would remain in Fairfield would be the spiritual "vampires" that lives > from the energy created in the Domes but do not want to contribute out of > ego and pride. > > Why not let the fools carry on in the cornfields of Iowa on their own ? Ego, > pride, laziness and "new Age" wishwash will be the big loosers in this > (potential) drama. > Have you ever visited MUM, Nabby? Sure, was on the first 7000 course when we came in from Greeze with Maharishi. Stayed 9 months. Plenty of hardcore americans there, to say that most of them running the place, including the Purusha-fellows were not very flexible people is an understatement. But they did manage to organise that huge course in a very short time - a great achievement. But already then one could see that Fairfield was attracting a lot of lazy hangers-on.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: An interesting parallel -- events in Iran and events at MUM
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:08 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An interesting parallel -- events in Iran and events at MUM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , Duveyoung wrote: > > Headline in the Fairfield Ledger: "1,000 religious nuts picket MUM campus. Vow to stay in streets until Bevan and Hag resign." > > Now that would be a scrambler for The Bev and The Hag, eh? > > Problem: they'd be chanting: "Give us Girish! Give us Girish!" > > Hee hee -- it never ends. I've said this before and am happy to say it again: MIU could relocate to another country or continent at whatever time they think suitable. On a very short notice indeed. MIU always was and is even today an experiment; if it does not work properly on that soil it could and should be taken elsewhere. What would remain in Fairfield would be the spiritual "vampires" that lives from the energy created in the Domes but do not want to contribute out of ego and pride. Why not let the fools carry on in the cornfields of Iowa on their own ? Ego, pride, laziness and "new Age" wishwash will be the big loosers in this (potential) drama. Have you ever visited MUM, Nabby?
[FairfieldLife] Re: An interesting parallel -- events in Iran and events at MUM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > Headline in the Fairfield Ledger: "1,000 religious nuts picket MUM campus. > Vow to stay in streets until Bevan and Hag resign." > > Now that would be a scrambler for The Bev and The Hag, eh? > > Problem: they'd be chanting: "Give us Girish! Give us Girish!" > > Hee hee -- it never ends. I've said this before and am happy to say it again: MIU could relocate to another country or continent at whatever time they think suitable. On a very short notice indeed. MIU always was and is even today an experiment; if it does not work properly on that soil it could and should be taken elsewhere. What would remain in Fairfield would be the spiritual "vampires" that lives from the energy created in the Domes but do not want to contribute out of ego and pride. Why not let the fools carry on in the cornfields of Iowa on their own ? Ego, pride, laziness and "new Age" wishwash will be the big loosers in this (potential) drama.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An interesting parallel -- events in Iran and events at MUM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > OK, before the compulsive TM defenders rush in to > express their outrage, I know that there is no real > comparison between the recent events in Iran and the > recent events at MUM. Not that the TM defenders would be the folks likely to be "outraged" by such a comparison. It would, of course, be the Iranians and their defenders, because of how the comparison trivializes the situation in Iran. But I think it's interesting > to draw a parallel anyway, because there is a TREND > in both situations that I find interesting -- the > rejection of authoritarian spirituality. Well, sorta kinda. The protests in Iran aren't about spirituality, authoritarian or otherwise; they're political. > In Iran, hundreds of thousands of -- and this is not > to be dismissed -- *devout* Muslims That would be millions, actually. are defying a > direct order from the leader of their religion to > stop protesting. They risk their very lives to do so, > not to mention future repercussions that may be taken > against them in the religion-led country. > > Call me weird, but I see this as encouraging and a > positive thing. Who was it, exactly, you thought might call you weird? Just about everybody in the Western world "sees" it as encouraging and positive. And I do *not* see it as a rejection > of Islam or the religious beliefs of those who are > essentially telling the leader of their religion to > go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut. Uh, this isn't much of an insight, actually. Nobody in the West with any knowledge of what's going on in Iran "sees" it as a rejection of Islam. > And at MUM, as reported by TM-Free and reposted here > recently, what is happening? A number of students have > leaned out of their windows and shouted the same thing, > challenging the overly authoritarian regime of *their* > spiritual tradition. The students have chosen to dis- > regard electronically-monitored rules established by > the MUM Ayatollahs that required them to take part in > daily meditations or TM-siddhi practice and "Just said > No." And what happened as a result? The MUM adminis- > tration caved Big-Time, and removed the rules. *Their* > attempts to overstep their bounds and intrude into the > private lives of their students could not stand the > light of day, and exposure to the press, and to outside > scrutiny. For all we know, this had been in the works for awhile now. Obviously a lot of changes have been taking place in the movement since MMY's death. And good grief, get over yourself and stop overdramatizing. "Light of day" and "exposure to the press" and "outside scrutiny" didn't have anything to do with it. > Again, I do not see this as a rejection of TM per se or > the TM-siddhis per se. For some of the students, forced > to participate in a program they no longer believe in, > it may well be. But I suspect that for the majority of > them, it's a rejection of the *overstepping of bounds* > by MUM administrators, and by the TM movement itself. > They *have no right* to tell students that they *have* > to meditate, and to place monitoring devices in place > to insure that they do. They *have no right* to threaten > to expel anyone who does not comply. Actually they have a perfect right to do any of this. Don't confuse "I don't think it's right for them to do this" with "They have no right to do this." And when these > threats were brought into the public eye by a few stu- > dents who refused to remain silent and just submit to > these intrusions into their private lives any more Actually it wasn't a matter of the students "speaking out," it was that they just stopped paying any attention. > I hope the same thing happens in Iran. It is definitely > a more dangerous situation for the protesters there. > They could get their asses *shot* for "Just saying No." > But they could also succeed. It's a crapshoot. > > And if their protests *do* succeed, they won't have > destroyed Islam and have become heretics; > And at MUM and in the TM movement, I think it will be > equally interesting to see what happens in the future > there as well. I don't see the rejection of a few TM > administrators who have overstepped their bounds as the > rejection of *all* the ideas of Maharishi. Only the > Bad Ones. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with the parallel you're trying to draw, obvious though it may be; the problem is your wild overstatements and overheated rhetoric. You could have made your limited point a lot more coherently without them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An interesting parallel -- events in Iran and events at MUM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Jun 20, 2009, at 4:24 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > OK, before the compulsive TM defenders rush in to > > express their outrage, I know that there is no real > > comparison between the recent events in Iran and the > > recent events at MUM. > > You're absolutely correct, Barry... > the events in Iran are being carried > out by people who actually know > how to think. So much for the MUM protesters Barry was lionizing. Sorry, Barry. One of your droids didn't quite get the message. Looks like you need to run through your talking points again.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An interesting parallel -- events in Iran and events at MUM
It's not those MUM students who'll be like the disenfranchised Iranians. Nah, it'll be the pundit children behind the barbed wire that arise as one. They'll have been a group mind for years, ya see? They can achieve instant solidarity if but one single passion is instilled in them. The MUM students are from many areas of life and can escape FF easily if conditions become intolerable, but those poor pundits, they're going to have a lot of choice: which issue to choose to protest will be from a long listand each will be a very strong reason to rebel since their ashramic handcuffing is so much more stern than that of the students. Now, there's are happy happy joy joy thought, eh? Headline in the Fairfield Ledger: "1,000 religious nuts picket MUM campus. Vow to stay in streets until Bevan and Hag resign." Now that would be a scrambler for The Bev and The Hag, eh? Problem: they'd be chanting: "Give us Girish! Give us Girish!" Hee hee -- it never ends. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > OK, before the compulsive TM defenders rush in to > express their outrage, I know that there is no real > comparison between the recent events in Iran and the > recent events at MUM. But I think it's interesting > to draw a parallel anyway, because there is a TREND > in both situations that I find interesting -- the > rejection of authoritarian spirituality. > > In Iran, hundreds of thousands of -- and this is not > to be dismissed -- *devout* Muslims are defying a > direct order from the leader of their religion to > stop protesting. They risk their very lives to do so, > not to mention future repercussions that may be taken > against them in the religion-led country. > > Call me weird, but I see this as encouraging and a > positive thing. And I do *not* see it as a rejection > of Islam or the religious beliefs of those who are > essentially telling the leader of their religion to > go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut. Their action > is a rejection of *HIM* and his authoritarian intrusion > into their day-to-day lives and their rights as both > human beings and Muslims. He has overstepped his bounds, > and the people of Iran are doing a Howard Beale (the > mad prophet of the airwaves from "Network," for the > cinema-challenged) and shouting, "We're mad as hell > and we're not going to take this any more." > > And at MUM, as reported by TM-Free and reposted here > recently, what is happening? A number of students have > leaned out of their windows and shouted the same thing, > challenging the overly authoritarian regime of *their* > spiritual tradition. The students have chosen to dis- > regard electronically-monitored rules established by > the MUM Ayatollahs that required them to take part in > daily meditations or TM-siddhi practice and "Just said > No." And what happened as a result? The MUM adminis- > tration caved Big-Time, and removed the rules. *Their* > attempts to overstep their bounds and intrude into the > private lives of their students could not stand the > light of day, and exposure to the press, and to outside > scrutiny. > > Again, I do not see this as a rejection of TM per se or > the TM-siddhis per se. For some of the students, forced > to participate in a program they no longer believe in, > it may well be. But I suspect that for the majority of > them, it's a rejection of the *overstepping of bounds* > by MUM administrators, and by the TM movement itself. > They *have no right* to tell students that they *have* > to meditate, and to place monitoring devices in place > to insure that they do. They *have no right* to threaten > to expel anyone who does not comply. And when these > threats were brought into the public eye by a few stu- > dents who refused to remain silent and just submit to > these intrusions into their private lives any more, > the MUM Ayatollahs tucked their tails between their legs > and ran for cover, as all tyrants do when people stop > taking them seriously. > > I hope the same thing happens in Iran. It is definitely > a more dangerous situation for the protesters there. > They could get their asses *shot* for "Just saying No." > But they could also succeed. It's a crapshoot. > > And if their protests *do* succeed, they won't have > destroyed Islam and have become heretics; they will have > IMO *saved* it from itself. Ayatollah Ali Khamenei *does > not have the right* to dictate to human beings that they > stop being human beings, and give up their rights to > think for themselves and act as they choose to act. He > *gave himself* those "rights," and for years he has gotten > away with imposing them on Muslims in Iran *because they > let him*. They are no longer letting him. It will be > interesting to see what will happen. > > And at MUM and in the TM movement, I think it will be > equally interesting to see what happens in the future > there as well. I don't see the rejection of a few TM > administrators w
