[FairfieldLife] Re: Appropriate Context Sensitivity and Being Totally Honest
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/18/06 10:15 AM, new.morning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And its a good description of the problem, to get what she wanted. Siva Ma was focussed on what she whated -- even to the extent of shutting down the course (tattle-telling on others) if she could not get HER way. If she had come, humbly, dressed in TMO appropriate cothes (no red dots) saying, I am here to serve. If i can help increase the numbers in the dome, I am most happy to as long as i can. And if you need help in the kitchens or in setting things up, please call on me. And said nothing about what is none of the TMOs business unless asked. And if asked, keep it simple I have seen saints, as have most people in the domes. I am here to serve. If I can help with Invincible America, I am here for Maharishi. I heard his beacon call. I admit that Shiva Ma is a bit over the top (her name; her red dot) and that surely sets off alarm bells in the course office. But her situation wasn¹t so nuanced as the examples you gave. She was being asked point blank about her past and future participation with saints, and she would have had to lie blatantly to give the ³right² answer something she didn¹t feel comfortable doing. I am guessing she was questioned, and 100's of others apparently were not, because of the name she use on her application (is that her legal name?), her dress and bindu. Her context-inappropriate behavior apparently (perhaps) created the problem (asking of questions when most were not). But given she was asked, a simple reply per above would have sufficed. But I am guessing she went into the hyper whining mode of her letters. So again her context-inappropriate behavior -- not only created the problem, but amplifed it. If she had simply said the following, I speculate she may have had an even chance of being accepted on the course. I have seen saints, as have most people in the domes. I am here to serve. If I can help with Invincible America, I am here for Maharishi. I heard his beacon call. And given a rejection, a true server/seeker/BEer, IMO, would simply say -- well, I offered my service. My service is not needed here. Let me find another venue / area to serve. But no. She is going to shake the earth until she can attend the party all the other kids got to go to. And if she can't, she is going to have a trauma, and try to ruin the party for everyone else. This is not about high minded things like honesty and truth. Its about a kid who never grew up and is fixated on ME. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Appropriate Context Sensitivity and Being Totally Honest
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/17/06 11:32 PM, jim_flanegin at jflanegi@ wrote: There is a time and a place for everything. Having been on a number of job interviews, I have not been completely open hearted and trusting if I wanted the job. Same thing with S. Ma, who should've just acted in such a way to be able to do her program in the dome. Act in context. So you¹re saying that the ³context² of the TMO is that you have to lie to participate in it, Thats a black and white reading of what Jim wrote, IMO. I read what Jim wrote as basic common sense, basic social skills. Its not a mattter of lying. Its presenting an appropriate side of oneself in any given situation. There is a saying / joke too much information! when someone begins to reveal parts of their personal life outside of the appropriate context. For example: Its TOTALLY HONEST to tell someone in a line at a super market about your morning bowel moevment or your blow-out sexual tryst the evening before. Its just not appropriate. Its totally honest to tell an employer that you used to belong to a spiritual group that has become pretty cultish, and you used to do yogic flying, wear a wet loin cloth, oil yourself up each morning in hot oil, and have regular herbal enemas, etc, but frankly, thats more than most employers need to know about you. Saying you were involved in a start-up company and was responsible for establishing and managing a number of local branches -- and in doing this gained strong platform, orgainizational and management skills -- is more appropriate for that situation. Telling a first date ALL about the issues you had with your EX, is being TOTALLY honest, but is not context appropriate or effective. Weearing jeans and a t-shirt and sandals is WHO YOU ARE deep down, but wearing such to most job interviews is not appropriate or effective. Telling a woman that, when asked, yes, you do look fat is not appropriate or effective. There is a almost-ready-to-graduate (also hippie) ethos I am not going to sell-out, I am not going ot give up my values when faced with entering the job market and world of responsibilities. Its a good thought, but a naicent one. Its not as black and white, all or nothing as we thought at 21 (or 41, haha) when we finally decided to, or were forced to, get a job. In reality, its not about giving up values. Its recognizing that many people and situations ONLY want to hear about a part of you. Going over that boundary is being insensitive, boorish, rude or socially inept. See above examples. By recognizing information appropriateness of each excontext is maturity, flexibility, a strong sense of values, is not being dishonest. and that she should have abandoned her principles to get what she wanted. Again, thats black and white thinking. Its not all or nothing. Its not, I am going to be in-your-face totally honest about all aspects of my life in every situation or else I have sold out and have lost my values and soul. And its a good description of the problem, to get what she wanted. Siva Ma was focussed on what she whated -- even to the extent of shutting down the course (tattle-telling on others) if she could not get HER way. If she had come, humbly, dressed in TMO appropriate cothes (no red dots) saying, I am here to serve. If i can help increase the numbers in the dome, I am most happy to as long as i can. And if you need help in the kitchens or in setting things up, please call on me. And said nothing about what is none of the TMOs business unless asked. And if asked, keep it simple I have seen saints, as have most people in the domes. I am here to serve. If I can help with Invincible America, I am here for Maharishi. I heard his beacon call. Well said. When salespeople are selling, they often made the sale and then -- because they talk too much or give too much information -- buy it back (in other words, they lose the sale). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Appropriate Context Sensitivity and Being Totally Honest
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well said. When salespeople are selling, they often made the sale and then -- because they talk too much or give too much information -- buy it back (in other words, they lose the sale). Charlie Lutes had a great story of taking a sales trainee with him on a call- where the sales trainee lost the sale by complimenting the client on his wisdom for chosing Charlie's company's concrete, despite the fact that To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Appropriate Context Sensitivity and Being Totally Honest
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 8/18/06 10:15 AM, new.morning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And its a good description of the problem, to get what she wanted. Siva Ma was focussed on what she whated -- even to the extent of shutting down the course (tattle-telling on others) if she could not get HER way. If she had come, humbly, dressed in TMO appropriate cothes (no red dots) saying, I am here to serve. If i can help increase the numbers in the dome, I am most happy to as long as i can. And if you need help in the kitchens or in setting things up, please call on me. And said nothing about what is none of the TMOs business unless asked. And if asked, keep it simple I have seen saints, as have most people in the domes. I am here to serve. If I can help with Invincible America, I am here for Maharishi. I heard his beacon call. I admit that Shiva Ma is a bit over the top (her name; her red dot) and that surely sets off alarm bells in the course office. But her situation wasn¹t so nuanced as the examples you gave. She was being asked point blank about her past and future participation with saints, and she would have had to lie blatantly to give the ³right² answer something she didn¹t feel comfortable doing. I am guessing she was questioned, and 100's of others apparently were not, because of the name she use on her application (is that her legal name?), her dress and bindu. Sounds to me like she was racially profiled -); Her context-inappropriate behavior apparently (perhaps) created the problem (asking of questions when most were not). But given she was asked, a simple reply per above would have sufficed. But I am guessing she went into the hyper whining mode of her letters. So again her context-inappropriate behavior -- not only created the problem, but amplifed it. If she had simply said the following, I speculate she may have had an even chance of being accepted on the course. I have seen saints, as have most people in the domes. I am here to serve. If I can help with Invincible America, I am here for Maharishi. I heard his beacon call. And given a rejection, a true server/seeker/BEer, IMO, would simply say -- well, I offered my service. My service is not needed here. Let me find another venue / area to serve. But no. She is going to shake the earth until she can attend the party all the other kids got to go to. And if she can't, she is going to have a trauma, and try to ruin the party for everyone else. This is not about high minded things like honesty and truth. Its about a kid who never grew up and is fixated on ME. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Appropriate Context Sensitivity and Being Totally Honest
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Well said. When salespeople are selling, they often made the sale and then - - because they talk too much or give too much information -- buy it back (in other words, they lose the sale). Charlie Lutes had a great story of taking a sales trainee with him on a call- where the sales trainee lost the sale by complimenting the client on his wisdom for chosing Charlie's company's concrete, despite the fact that I remember that story of Charlie's well. As I remember it, the last line of the story is: ...and I caught him three blocks away. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
