[FairfieldLife] Re: Are the TM Rajas An Offshoot?
Yep, that Dr. Hagelin did not wear the gold foil hat and robe is extremely interesting for TM-watchers. Also of note, some of the other TM-Raja who did not but who were there in the crowd is noteworthy also as for who did not go for the hazing of the meeting at this point. What was MAR thinking and those other few guys doing that? It is a small group inside TM really. Our Mayor of Vedic City coming in along with this entourage and sitting too in front of the group looking like a news-reel incarnation of a white suited bloated Field Marshal was a little haunting of something too. He and the Raja of the Raj were the only ones now dressed in that white-creme suit special look. Overall it was a good meeting with the meditating community but evidently it was not exactly your normal meditator knowledge meeting. You had to be there to see it, -Buck sparaig writes: The Rajas are people who paid $1 million to become the administrators of the TM organization at the highest level, or who managed to get someone to pay that money for them. As I understand it, a requirement to be a raja was not simply that you pay the money but that you be willing to wear the funny hat. Apparently that hat requirement has ben relaxed at least somewhat, but since Tony abu Nader gets to rewrite the rules as he sees fit, that isn't all that a big deal if he choses not to wear his crown in public appearances. The fact that John Hagelin didn't wear HIS crown as Raja of North America is more interesting, but again, Tony Nader gets to write the rules and it if is OK with him... Of course, John Hagelin might be an exception to the rule in several ways as he can wear any of 4 hats (that I am aware of): Raja John Hagelin: Professor/Director John Hagelin; President of the David Lynch Foundation, John Hagelin; Chairman of the board of directors of the Maharishi Foundation, John Hagelin. The other guys seem happy or at least comfortable with wearing their hats in public, but then again, most of them don't make many public appearances outside TM organization functions while King Tony and Raja John are very much in the public eye by comparison. L Share writes: “The Rajas are just a weird offshoot of a main organization”. So why the gold foil hats and robes, now? What were they thinking the other night coming, sitting and leaving in their processional in and out of the meeting in full WTF-regalia? Generally groups can both live and die by their own specialness. The social-science field of altruistic evolution proly has a lot to say about that. This TM group has been killing itself off over the long years by cultivating extra-specialness within it. And, this cultivating specialness of the Rajas now? Does a larger meditating community want to belong to that or have that represent it? It all seems more like a hazing than anything else. It was interesting to see who [which Raja] were not wearing the gold crown and robe git-up at the meeting. That itself proly took some courage to do. -Buck Yes, the Raja part of TM is such a small circle in TM and of the larger TM community but people do wonder if they are going to keep doing it. When you talk to meditators in the community there is a general disheartenment that those guys wear that stuff representing the movement and the meditating community here. Generally you ask people here if they are meditators and the meditators respond saying, “yes, but not that.. .”, pointing in the general direction of campus and Vedic City. 7Ray27 writes: Hey Michael, Most of what I know about the school comes from the annual publication I get listing achievements and donors about and to MUM.. (and yes, I am listed as making a small donation) But as I understand it Craig Pearson is the administrative head of the school. Now, whether he takes his orders from the Rajas, or Bevan, or if is able to work independently, I don't know. I do happen to know someone higher up in the school administration and talk to him very infrequently. But the impression I get is that those administrators handle to day to day running, without a lot of direct oversight or interference from the rajas. Of course, in the same publication, they also list the trustees of the university. They are many, and very few (if any) are rajas, IIRC. So, that may offer a different perspective than the one you are offering. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : an offshoot? What are you smoking? Let's see - the leader of the Movement, King-Pin Tony CALLS himself not only a king but the BIG king, he wears robes and a big ass gold crown - all the other leaders including Bevan are all robe and crown wearers - these asses RUN the Movement - if the rajas aren't in charge who is? The fact that you can't accept these guys have become the face of the new Movement is indicative of just how deep your denial runs. sundur
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are the TM Rajas An Offshoot?
The Rajas are people who paid $1 million to become the administrators of the TM organization at the highest level, or who managed to get someone to pay that money for them. As I understand it, a requirement to be a raja was not simply that you pay the money but that you be willing to wear the funny hat. Apparently that hat requirement has ben relaxed at least somewhat, but since Tony abu Nader gets to rewrite the rules as he sees fit, that isn't all that a big deal if he choses not to wear his crown in public appearances. The fact that John Hagelin didn't wear HIS crown as Raja of North America is more interesting, but again, Tony Nader gets to write the rules and it if is OK with him... Of course, John Hagelin might be an exception to the rule in several ways as he can wear any of 4 hats (that I am aware of): Raja John Hagelin: Professor/Director John Hagelin; President of the David Lynch Foundation, John Hagelin; Chairman of the board of directors of the Maharishi Foundation, John Hagelin. The other guys seem happy or at least comfortable with wearing their hats in public, but then again, most of them don't make many public appearances outside TM organization functions while King Tony and Raja John are very much in the public eye by comparison. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Share writes: “The Rajas are just a weird offshoot of a main organization”. So why the gold foil hats and robes, now? What were they thinking the other night coming, sitting and leaving in their processional in and out of the meeting in full WTF-regalia? Generally groups can both live and die by their own specialness. The social-science field of altruistic evolution proly has a lot to say about that. This TM group has been killing itself off over the long years by cultivating extra-specialness within it. And, this cultivating specialness of the Rajas now? Does a larger meditating community want to belong to that or have that represent it? It all seems more like a hazing than anything else. It was interesting to see who [which Raja] were not wearing the gold crown and robe git-up at the meeting. That itself proly took some courage to do. -Buck 7Ray27 writes: Hey Michael, Most of what I know about the school comes from the annual publication I get listing achievements and donors about and to MUM.. (and yes, I am listed as making a small donation) But as I understand it Craig Pearson is the administrative head of the school. Now, whether he takes his orders from the Rajas, or Bevan, or if is able to work independently, I don't know. I do happen to know someone higher up in the school administration and talk to him very infrequently. But the impression I get is that those administrators handle to day to day running, without a lot of direct oversight or interference from the rajas. Of course, in the same publication, they also list the trustees of the university. They are many, and very few (if any) are rajas, IIRC. So, that may offer a different perspective than the one you are offering. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : an offshoot? What are you smoking? Let's see - the leader of the Movement, King-Pin Tony CALLS himself not only a king but the BIG king, he wears robes and a big ass gold crown - all the other leaders including Bevan are all robe and crown wearers - these asses RUN the Movement - if the rajas aren't in charge who is? The fact that you can't accept these guys have become the face of the new Movement is indicative of just how deep your denial runs. sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Student Housing and More I think it's called the World Wide Web. The Rajas are just a weird offshoot of the main organization. I'm not sure what direct connection the Rajas have to academic life. As for due diligence during the time you were involved in the organization and people looking at it now, it's sort of like indicting the Collective Papers for being so low on Amazon's Book list compared to the guy's book that just came out about the murder of his fellow MUM student. A lot has changed in thirty years. The world just doesn't turn exactly the way you want it to Michael. You have to get used to that fact. Despite your earnest efforts to defeat the organization in every way you can, you may end up being frustrated. But I'm sure you'll stay at it. It appears to be quite a preoccupation for you. And really, if truth be told, it seems to have come on heels of your other failed spiritual ventures. Perhaps all that frustration got all balled up, and this is now the result. Just sayin' mjackson74 wrote : You must be living with your head in the sand Share - the TMO masks a great deal of what it does from the outside observer including those who are prospective students. I have told the story of how I j
