[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the Danger That Lies Ahead
A prairie dog that was living peacefully in his hole once dreamed he was a man. He was amazed at all he found he knew ... cell phones, internet, how to drive a car, two legged babes he once knew. When he awoke he was confused. Am I me? Or am I this fool babbling at a screen? All the prairie dogs calmed him down and agreed ... Don't put on airs and call yerself Mr. Chwang Tsu. Yer still just a dog and a yer still Mr. Fool. Mr. Fool prairie dog went back to sleep with his eyes wide open and felt much more real. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams wrote: emptybill: Did you turn off your brain? Does it bother anyone else that the mime is talking? No one survises the future. All you have to do is wake up from the dream - it's that simple. When you wake up to Reality, you'll find there's no future, past, or present - time doesn't exist. A guy once dreamed he was a butterfly. When he woke up he realized he was a man. But, was he a man that was dreaming he was a butterfly, or a butterfly dreaming that he was a man?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the Danger That Lies Ahead
emptybill: Did you turn off your brain? Does it bother anyone else that the mime is talking? No one survises the future. All you have to do is wake up from the dream - it's that simple. When you wake up to Reality, you'll find there's no future, past, or present - time doesn't exist. A guy once dreamed he was a butterfly. When he woke up he realized he was a man. But, was he a man that was dreaming he was a butterfly, or a butterfly dreaming that he was a man? So, the cities are broke; the country is broke; and we're just sitting around watching TV, doing next to nothing, apparently. The big question now is what comes next: a sudden crash, or a slow decline. One constant is change - we could shrink the size of government and bring the troops home. We could be creative again, in order to deal with the danger that lies ahead. But, the old crowd and most of the new crowd are just sitting there, watching TV and following Breaking Bad, one of the most depressing shows to come down the pike in a long time! We're now fascinated with the lives of criminals. Check out some of the lyrics on new popular music. How can we survive the future? My nature is pessimistic. I look on a world burdened by debt and faced by a fanatical enemy that has nuclear weapons, and I find it hard to see how we can avoid what at best would be a very hard time. Downgrade Diary: http://tinyurl.com/mkdz5k6 http://tinyurl.com/mkdz5k6
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the Danger That Lies Ahead
Did you turn off your brain? No one survises the future. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams wrote: So, the cities are broke; the country is broke; and we're just sitting around watching TV, doing next to nothing, apparently. The big question now is what comes next: a sudden crash, or a slow decline. One constant is change - we could shrink the size of government and bring the troops home. We could be creative again, in order to deal with the danger that lies ahead. But, the old crowd and most of the new crowd are just sitting there, watching TV and following Breaking Bad, one of the most depressing shows to come down the pike in a long time! We're now fascinated with the lives of criminals. Check out some of the lyrics on new popular music. How can we survive the future? My nature is pessimistic. I look on a world burdened by debt and faced by a fanatical enemy that has nuclear weapons, and I find it hard to see how we can avoid what at best would be a very hard time. Downgrade Diary: http://tinyurl.com/mkdz5k6
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the Danger That Lies Ahead
John: Some people are waiting for the ME to save the nation. Pap - Urban Dictionary 1. A comforting and soothing pat used to calm someone down. Karkat knew all that Gamzee needed was a good shoosh and a pap. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pap http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pap So, the cities are broke; the country is broke; and we're just sitting around watching TV, doing next to nothing, apparently. The big question now is what comes next: a sudden crash, or a slow decline. One constant is change - we could shrink the size of government and bring the troops home. We could be creative again, in order to deal with the danger that lies ahead. But, the old crowd and most of the new crowd are just sitting there, watching TV and following Breaking Bad, one of the most depressing shows to come down the pike in a long time! We're now fascinated with the lives of criminals. Check out some of the lyrics on new popular music. How can we survive the future? My nature is pessimistic. I look on a world burdened by debt and faced by a fanatical enemy that has nuclear weapons, and I find it hard to see how we can avoid what at best would be a very hard time. Downgrade Diary: http://tinyurl.com/mkdz5k6 http://tinyurl.com/mkdz5k6
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes
Inaction is an action. --- On Wed, 8/17/11, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2011, 8:51 PM I'm amazed at your ability to state the same old BS in different words, I guess that's what talented writers are paid for. The fact that you looked to the Guru to make your decisions means you didn't absorb the essentials of spirituality - the need to separate the outer from inner. Spirituality doesn't means avoiding responsibility but in fact learning to respond rather than react. Sure yeah Gurus create drama like the one you describe below about committees, but that looks like a situation where the Guru wanted to teach surrender. Go to India where you see this kind of inaction because of the stupid bureaucracy, the one good effect of which is learning the values of patience through surrender. Sometimes lessons are needed at a outer level to learn the value of surrender. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: OK, there is some wisdom in this Maharishi-ism. If you can see potential trouble brewing down the road and can do something about it before it hits the fan, there is value in doing that. What I'm finding myself thinking about in this cafe today, however, are the paucity of any teachings Maharishi might have given about what to do once the problem *has* hit the fan, and is right in your face. I'm sitting here searching my memory, and I can't really remember much of any advice on the handling of problems other than, essentially, Run away and avoid the problem even now that it *has* come. Instead, dive into meditation, and its powerful Woo Woo Rays will fix the problem without you getting your hands all muddy. I remember in particular a period just before I left the TMO. I was working at National, and Maharishi instituted a new policy in which major (read any) decisions had to be approved by a multi-country Board Of Governors and, as I hear, unanimously. Jerry Jarvis was the representative on this board from the US, and because we worked together I occasionally got to hear his frustration with this concept. From his point of view, due to the committee nature of it all, almost no problems ever got solved by the committee. They'd just talk, talk, talk endlessly, never coming to any conclusion or recommending any action, and after weeks and occasionally months the problems would have been resolved on their own, through total inaction. In his frustrated moments, I remember Jerry opining that this may have the whole idea -- give people the illusion that they have some say in deciding things, but then set up a scenario in which they never really get to make any decisions. Color me not convinced that this approach reflects the world of reality. I'm SO not a God freak, or a believer in the notion that the world is run by some omnipotent being or Laws Of Nature, and so well that it really doesn't need our help in resolving problems, thank you. I think that some problems are best met head-on, and dealt with on the level of the problem. Then again, I believe in free will, and the possibility that my actions really *can* make a difference. I don't think Maharishi did, and that belief colored his approach to dealing with -- or in reality *not* dealing with -- problems. I think he believed that any problem was the result of people not being able to tell that everything was already perfect. Thus he clung to the perfection of his vision about the perfection of things like Vedaland and the Immortality Course and people levitating Any Minute Now, and ignored the things that others perceived as problems. Like Vedaland being laughed out of existence, graduates of the Immortality Course (including him) dying, and people still bouncing around on their butts all these years later like frogs on crystal meth. Like the world that he described as having entered an age of Sat Yuga still allowing one person a minute to starve to death. Call me crazy, but my allegiance these days is going to have to be with those deluded people dealing with the problem on the level of the problem and feeding these people instead of trying to sell them meditation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes
True, I wasn't supporting inaction. In India people project inner values to the outer and that results in lot of inaction on the outer. All actions are perfect once you transform the consciousness behind it, perfecting action is an exercise in futility. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Inaction is an action. Â --- On Wed, 8/17/11, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2011, 8:51 PM Â I'm amazed at your ability to state the same old BS in different words, I guess that's what talented writers are paid for. The fact that you looked to the Guru to make your decisions means you didn't absorb the essentials of spirituality - the need to separate the outer from inner. Spirituality doesn't means avoiding responsibility but in fact learning to respond rather than react. Sure yeah Gurus create drama like the one you describe below about committees, but that looks like a situation where the Guru wanted to teach surrender. Go to India where you see this kind of inaction because of the stupid bureaucracy, the one good effect of which is learning the values of patience through surrender. Sometimes lessons are needed at a outer level to learn the value of surrender. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: OK, there is some wisdom in this Maharishi-ism. If you can see potential trouble brewing down the road and can do something about it before it hits the fan, there is value in doing that. What I'm finding myself thinking about in this cafe today, however, are the paucity of any teachings Maharishi might have given about what to do once the problem *has* hit the fan, and is right in your face. I'm sitting here searching my memory, and I can't really remember much of any advice on the handling of problems other than, essentially, Run away and avoid the problem even now that it *has* come. Instead, dive into meditation, and its powerful Woo Woo Rays will fix the problem without you getting your hands all muddy. I remember in particular a period just before I left the TMO. I was working at National, and Maharishi instituted a new policy in which major (read any) decisions had to be approved by a multi-country Board Of Governors and, as I hear, unanimously. Jerry Jarvis was the representative on this board from the US, and because we worked together I occasionally got to hear his frustration with this concept. From his point of view, due to the committee nature of it all, almost no problems ever got solved by the committee. They'd just talk, talk, talk endlessly, never coming to any conclusion or recommending any action, and after weeks and occasionally months the problems would have been resolved on their own, through total inaction. In his frustrated moments, I remember Jerry opining that this may have the whole idea -- give people the illusion that they have some say in deciding things, but then set up a scenario in which they never really get to make any decisions. Color me not convinced that this approach reflects the world of reality. I'm SO not a God freak, or a believer in the notion that the world is run by some omnipotent being or Laws Of Nature, and so well that it really doesn't need our help in resolving problems, thank you. I think that some problems are best met head-on, and dealt with on the level of the problem. Then again, I believe in free will, and the possibility that my actions really *can* make a difference. I don't think Maharishi did, and that belief colored his approach to dealing with -- or in reality *not* dealing with -- problems. I think he believed that any problem was the result of people not being able to tell that everything was already perfect. Thus he clung to the perfection of his vision about the perfection of things like Vedaland and the Immortality Course and people levitating Any Minute Now, and ignored the things that others perceived as problems. Like Vedaland being laughed out of existence, graduates of the Immortality Course (including him) dying, and people still bouncing around on their butts all these years later like frogs on crystal meth. Like the world that he described as having entered an age of Sat Yuga still allowing one person a minute to starve to death. Call me crazy, but my allegiance these days is going to have to be with those deluded people dealing with the problem on the level of the problem and feeding these people instead of trying to sell them meditation.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes
I like that...all actions are perfect one you transform the consciousness behind it. Sounds like my new career-finding strategy. --- On Wed, 8/17/11, Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net wrote: From: Ravi Yogi raviy...@att.net Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2011, 11:40 PM True, I wasn't supporting inaction. In India people project inner values to the outer and that results in lot of inaction on the outer. All actions are perfect once you transform the consciousness behind it, perfecting action is an exercise in futility. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Inaction is an action. Â --- On Wed, 8/17/11, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2011, 8:51 PM Â I'm amazed at your ability to state the same old BS in different words, I guess that's what talented writers are paid for. The fact that you looked to the Guru to make your decisions means you didn't absorb the essentials of spirituality - the need to separate the outer from inner. Spirituality doesn't means avoiding responsibility but in fact learning to respond rather than react. Sure yeah Gurus create drama like the one you describe below about committees, but that looks like a situation where the Guru wanted to teach surrender. Go to India where you see this kind of inaction because of the stupid bureaucracy, the one good effect of which is learning the values of patience through surrender. Sometimes lessons are needed at a outer level to learn the value of surrender. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: OK, there is some wisdom in this Maharishi-ism. If you can see potential trouble brewing down the road and can do something about it before it hits the fan, there is value in doing that. What I'm finding myself thinking about in this cafe today, however, are the paucity of any teachings Maharishi might have given about what to do once the problem *has* hit the fan, and is right in your face. I'm sitting here searching my memory, and I can't really remember much of any advice on the handling of problems other than, essentially, Run away and avoid the problem even now that it *has* come. Instead, dive into meditation, and its powerful Woo Woo Rays will fix the problem without you getting your hands all muddy. I remember in particular a period just before I left the TMO. I was working at National, and Maharishi instituted a new policy in which major (read any) decisions had to be approved by a multi-country Board Of Governors and, as I hear, unanimously. Jerry Jarvis was the representative on this board from the US, and because we worked together I occasionally got to hear his frustration with this concept. From his point of view, due to the committee nature of it all, almost no problems ever got solved by the committee. They'd just talk, talk, talk endlessly, never coming to any conclusion or recommending any action, and after weeks and occasionally months the problems would have been resolved on their own, through total inaction. In his frustrated moments, I remember Jerry opining that this may have the whole idea -- give people the illusion that they have some say in deciding things, but then set up a scenario in which they never really get to make any decisions. Color me not convinced that this approach reflects the world of reality. I'm SO not a God freak, or a believer in the notion that the world is run by some omnipotent being or Laws Of Nature, and so well that it really doesn't need our help in resolving problems, thank you. I think that some problems are best met head-on, and dealt with on the level of the problem. Then again, I believe in free will, and the possibility that my actions really *can* make a difference. I don't think Maharishi did, and that belief colored his approach to dealing with -- or in reality *not* dealing with -- problems. I think he believed that any problem was the result of people not being able to tell that everything was already perfect. Thus he clung to the perfection of his vision about the perfection of things like Vedaland and the Immortality Course and people levitating Any Minute Now, and ignored the things that others perceived as problems. Like Vedaland being laughed out of existence, graduates of the Immortality Course (including him) dying, and people still bouncing around on their butts all these years later like frogs on crystal meth. Like the world that he described as having entered an age of Sat Yuga still allowing one person a minute
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes
Well, Monier-Williams seems to think it's a praakritized form
for 'duH-stha':
duHkha 1 mfn. (according to grammarians properly written %{duS-kha} and said
to be from %{dus} and %{kha} [cf. %{su-kha4}] ; but more probably a
Pra1kritized form for %{duH-stha} q.v.) uneasy , uncomfortable , unpleasant ,
difficult R. Hariv. (compar. %{-tara} MBh. R.) ; n. (ifc. f. %{A}) uneasiness ,
pain , sorrow , trouble , difficulty S3Br. xiv , 7 , 2 , 15 Mn. MBh. c.
(personified as the son of Naraka and Vedana1 VP.) ; (%{am}) ind. with
difficulty , scarcely , hardly (also %{at} and %{ena}) MBh. R. ; impers. it is
difficult to or to be (inf.with an acc. or nom. R. vii , 6 , 38 Bhag. v , 6) ;
%{duHkham} - %{as} , to be sad or uneasy Ratn. iv , 19/20 ; - %{kR} , to cause
or feel pain Ya1jn5. ii , 218 MBh. xii , 5298.
2 duHk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote:
Since dukha means a bad hole and the cause of it is correlation or
conjunction (samyoga), I think the sage's advice it simple:
Don't consort with bad holes.
Ever met any bad holes, Card?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
OK, there is some wisdom in this Maharishi-ism. If you can see
potential
trouble brewing down the road and can do something about it before
it
hits the fan, there is value in doing that.
I think at least in the YS, 'heyaM duHkham anaagatam' (the misery
which is not yet come can and is to be avoided -- Taimni) refers
primarily to 'duHkham eva sarvaM vivekinaH' (everything is only misery
for a vivekin -- card).
The next suutra states:
draSTR-dRSyayoH saMyogo heya-hetuH.
The cause of that which is to be avoided is the union of the Seer
and the Seen. -- Taimni.
And the remedy (II 25):
tad-abhaavaat saMyogaabhaavo haanaM tad dRsheH kaivalyam.
The dissociation of puruSa and prakRti brought about by
the dispersion of avidyaa [mentioned in the previous suutra -- card]
is the real remedy and that is the Liberation of the Seer. -- Taimni
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote:
Well, Monier-Williams seems to think it's a praakritized form
for 'duH-stha':
The reason for that seems to be that 'duHkha' is in fact
anomalous, or stuff. By the rules of sandhi, it *should* be
'duSkha'? (but: dur-ga, dus-tara, duH-sattva, dush-cara, etc.)
duHkha1 mfn. (according to grammarians properly written %{duS-kha}
and said to be from %{dus} and %{kha} [cf. %{su-kha4}] ; but more probably a
Pra1kritized form for %{duH-stha} q.v.) uneasy , uncomfortable , unpleasant ,
difficult R. Hariv. (compar. %{-tara} MBh. R.) ; n. (ifc. f. %{A}) uneasiness
, pain , sorrow , trouble , difficulty S3Br. xiv , 7 , 2 , 15 Mn. MBh. c.
(personified as the son of Naraka and Vedana1 VP.) ; (%{am}) ind. with
difficulty , scarcely , hardly (also %{at} and %{ena}) MBh. R. ; impers. it
is difficult to or to be (inf.with an acc. or nom. R. vii , 6 , 38 Bhag. v ,
6) ; %{duHkham} - %{as} , to be sad or uneasy Ratn. iv , 19/20 ; - %{kR} , to
cause or feel pain Ya1jn5. ii , 218 MBh. xii , 5298.
2 duHk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:
Since dukha means a bad hole and the cause of it is correlation or
conjunction (samyoga), I think the sage's advice it simple:
Don't consort with bad holes.
Ever met any bad holes, Card?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
OK, there is some wisdom in this Maharishi-ism. If you can see
potential
trouble brewing down the road and can do something about it before
it
hits the fan, there is value in doing that.
I think at least in the YS, 'heyaM duHkham anaagatam' (the misery
which is not yet come can and is to be avoided -- Taimni) refers
primarily to 'duHkham eva sarvaM vivekinaH' (everything is only misery
for a vivekin -- card).
The next suutra states:
draSTR-dRSyayoH saMyogo heya-hetuH.
The cause of that which is to be avoided is the union of the Seer
and the Seen. -- Taimni.
And the remedy (II 25):
tad-abhaavaat saMyogaabhaavo haanaM tad dRsheH kaivalyam.
The dissociation of puruSa and prakRti brought about by
the dispersion of avidyaa [mentioned in the previous suutra -- card]
is the real remedy and that is the Liberation of the Seer. -- Taimni
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes
cardemaister:
...according to grammarians properly written
%{duS-kha}
Suffering (duhkham) that has not yet come can
be avoided. - Patanjali (Y.S. 2.16)
If a stone is thrown into a pond, waves are produced
that travel throughout the pond. Every wave produces
effects in every part of the pond, resulting in some
influence or other. Similarly, the wave of individual
life through its activity produces an influence in all
fields of the cosmos (SBAL p. 69).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes
turquoiseb: I'm sitting here searching my memory... So, what, exactly, hit the fan? Did you knock the girl up at the Yum Yum; get fired from your job; get kicked out of your upstairs apartment, or what? Go figure. OK, there is some wisdom in this Maharishi-ism. If you can see potential trouble brewing down the road and can do something about it before it hits the fan, there is value in doing that. What I'm finding myself thinking about in this cafe today, however, are the paucity of any teachings Maharishi might have given about what to do once the problem *has* hit the fan, and is right in your face. I'm sitting here searching my memory, and I can't really remember much of any advice on the handling of problems other than, essentially, Run away and avoid the problem even now that it *has* come. Instead, dive into meditation, and its powerful Woo Woo Rays will fix the problem without you getting your hands all muddy. I remember in particular a period just before I left the TMO. I was working at National, and Maharishi instituted a new policy in which major (read any) decisions had to be approved by a multi-country Board Of Governors and, as I hear, unanimously. Jerry Jarvis was the representative on this board from the US, and because we worked together I occasionally got to hear his frustration with this concept. From his point of view, due to the committee nature of it all, almost no problems ever got solved by the committee. They'd just talk, talk, talk endlessly, never coming to any conclusion or recommending any action, and after weeks and occasionally months the problems would have been resolved on their own, through total inaction. In his frustrated moments, I remember Jerry opining that this may have the whole idea -- give people the illusion that they have some say in deciding things, but then set up a scenario in which they never really get to make any decisions. Color me not convinced that this approach reflects the world of reality. I'm SO not a God freak, or a believer in the notion that the world is run by some omnipotent being or Laws Of Nature, and so well that it really doesn't need our help in resolving problems, thank you. I think that some problems are best met head-on, and dealt with on the level of the problem. Then again, I believe in free will, and the possibility that my actions really *can* make a difference. I don't think Maharishi did, and that belief colored his approach to dealing with -- or in reality *not* dealing with -- problems. I think he believed that any problem was the result of people not being able to tell that everything was already perfect. Thus he clung to the perfection of his vision about the perfection of things like Vedaland and the Immortality Course and people levitating Any Minute Now, and ignored the things that others perceived as problems. Like Vedaland being laughed out of existence, graduates of the Immortality Course (including him) dying, and people still bouncing around on their butts all these years later like frogs on crystal meth. Like the world that he described as having entered an age of Sat Yuga still allowing one person a minute to starve to death. Call me crazy, but my allegiance these days is going to have to be with those deluded people dealing with the problem on the level of the problem and feeding these people instead of trying to sell them meditation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: OK, there is some wisdom in this Maharishi-ism. If you can see potential trouble brewing down the road and can do something about it before it hits the fan, there is value in doing that. I think at least in the YS, 'heyaM duHkham anaagatam' (the misery which is not yet come can and is to be avoided -- Taimni) refers primarily to 'duHkham eva sarvaM vivekinaH' (everything is only misery for a vivekin -- card). The next suutra states: draSTR-dRSyayoH saMyogo heya-hetuH. The cause of that which is to be avoided is the union of the Seer and the Seen. -- Taimni. And the remedy (II 25): tad-abhaavaat saMyogaabhaavo haanaM tad dRsheH kaivalyam. The dissociation of puruSa and prakRti brought about by the dispersion of avidyaa [mentioned in the previous suutra -- card] is the real remedy and that is the Liberation of the Seer. -- Taimni
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes
...there is some wisdom in this Maharishi-ism. cardemaister: The next suutra states: draSTR-dRSyayoH saMyogo heya-hetuH. The cause of that which is to be avoided is the union of the Seer and the Seen. -- Taimni. And the remedy (II 25): tad-abhaavaat saMyogaabhaavo haanaM tad dRsheH kaivalyam. The dissociation of puruSa and prakRti brought about by the dispersion of avidyaa [mentioned in the previous suutra -- card] is the real remedy and that is the Liberation of the Seer. -- Taimni According to MMY, the Purusha is totally separate from the prakriti. Patanjali says that 'yoga' is the *isolation* of the Purusha. When the Purusha is isolated, (kaivalyam) the Self stands by itself, as a witness to itself. The thing to be avoided is the error of assuming that the Purusha can be joined to the prakriti, and to think that there are myriad selfs or souls that do the joining. In Yoga-Vedanta, there is only one Self to be isolated, in order to avoid believing that the 'soul-monad' reincarnates in bodies after death, when in fact, the Self is the only existent, and is not a subject of cognition. The Self is all there is, and all there ever will be, so just stop all the striving. You are only going to get as much enlightenment as you are going to get. So, just avoid the danger that lies ahead.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes
The answer to your musings is: perform actions while established in the Self. This would include those actions that you think are right for the situation. This the fight that the Gita is addressing during the battle in Kurukshetra. IMO, the goal of the Immortality Course is to learn how the self can identify with the Unified Field which is eternal. As such, at death the self becomes eternal. IOW, for those who believe in the transmigration of the soul, the body is similar to a cloth that the soul wears while existing in this world and discards at the moment of death. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: OK, there is some wisdom in this Maharishi-ism. If you can see potential trouble brewing down the road and can do something about it before it hits the fan, there is value in doing that. What I'm finding myself thinking about in this cafe today, however, are the paucity of any teachings Maharishi might have given about what to do once the problem *has* hit the fan, and is right in your face. I'm sitting here searching my memory, and I can't really remember much of any advice on the handling of problems other than, essentially, Run away and avoid the problem even now that it *has* come. Instead, dive into meditation, and its powerful Woo Woo Rays will fix the problem without you getting your hands all muddy. I remember in particular a period just before I left the TMO. I was working at National, and Maharishi instituted a new policy in which major (read any) decisions had to be approved by a multi-country Board Of Governors and, as I hear, unanimously. Jerry Jarvis was the representative on this board from the US, and because we worked together I occasionally got to hear his frustration with this concept. From his point of view, due to the committee nature of it all, almost no problems ever got solved by the committee. They'd just talk, talk, talk endlessly, never coming to any conclusion or recommending any action, and after weeks and occasionally months the problems would have been resolved on their own, through total inaction. In his frustrated moments, I remember Jerry opining that this may have the whole idea -- give people the illusion that they have some say in deciding things, but then set up a scenario in which they never really get to make any decisions. Color me not convinced that this approach reflects the world of reality. I'm SO not a God freak, or a believer in the notion that the world is run by some omnipotent being or Laws Of Nature, and so well that it really doesn't need our help in resolving problems, thank you. I think that some problems are best met head-on, and dealt with on the level of the problem. Then again, I believe in free will, and the possibility that my actions really *can* make a difference. I don't think Maharishi did, and that belief colored his approach to dealing with -- or in reality *not* dealing with -- problems. I think he believed that any problem was the result of people not being able to tell that everything was already perfect. Thus he clung to the perfection of his vision about the perfection of things like Vedaland and the Immortality Course and people levitating Any Minute Now, and ignored the things that others perceived as problems. Like Vedaland being laughed out of existence, graduates of the Immortality Course (including him) dying, and people still bouncing around on their butts all these years later like frogs on crystal meth. Like the world that he described as having entered an age of Sat Yuga still allowing one person a minute to starve to death. Call me crazy, but my allegiance these days is going to have to be with those deluded people dealing with the problem on the level of the problem and feeding these people instead of trying to sell them meditation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: OK, there is some wisdom in this Maharishi-ism. If you can see potential trouble brewing down the road and can do something about it before it hits the fan, there is value in doing that. What I'm finding myself thinking about in this cafe today, however, are the paucity of any teachings Maharishi might have given about what to do once the problem *has* hit the fan, and is right in your face. I'm sitting here searching my memory, and I can't really remember much of any advice on the handling of problems other than, essentially, Run away and avoid the problem even now that it *has* come. Instead, dive into meditation, and its powerful Woo Woo Rays will fix the problem without you getting your hands all muddy. I remember in particular a period just before I left the TMO. I was working at National, and Maharishi instituted a new policy in which major (read any) decisions had to be approved by a multi-country Board Of Governors and, as I hear, unanimously. Jerry Jarvis was the representative on this board from the US, and because we worked together I occasionally got to hear his frustration with this concept. From his point of view, due to the committee nature of it all, almost no problems ever got solved by the committee. They'd just talk, talk, talk endlessly, never coming to any conclusion or recommending any action, and after weeks and occasionally months the problems would have been resolved on their own, through total inaction. In his frustrated moments, I remember Jerry opining that this may have the whole idea -- give people the illusion that they have some say in deciding things, but then set up a scenario in which they never really get to make any decisions. Color me not convinced that this approach reflects the world of reality. I'm SO not a God freak, or a believer in the notion that the world is run by some omnipotent being or Laws Of Nature, and so well that it really doesn't need our help in resolving problems, thank you. I think that some problems are best met head-on, and dealt with on the level of the problem. Then again, I believe in free will, and the possibility that my actions really *can* make a difference. I don't think Maharishi did, and that belief colored his approach to dealing with -- or in reality *not* dealing with -- problems. I think he believed that any problem was the result of people not being able to tell that everything was already perfect. Thus he clung to the perfection of his vision about the perfection of things like Vedaland and the Immortality Course and people levitating Any Minute Now, and ignored the things that others perceived as problems. Like Vedaland being laughed out of existence, graduates of the Immortality Course (including him) dying, and people still bouncing around on their butts all these years later like frogs on crystal meth. Like the world that he described as having entered an age of Sat Yuga still allowing one person a minute to starve to death. Call me crazy, but my allegiance these days is going to have to be with those deluded people dealing with the problem on the level of the problem and feeding these people instead of trying to sell them meditation. Actually your point has merit; MMY never could recommend dealing with the problem per se because he neglected teaching the first two limbs of Patanjali's Yoga, Yama NiYama, the prescriptions and the proscriptions. Patanjali had envisioned (IMO) dealing with problems on multiple levels, hence you have the answer to your query/question. Their is Nothing wrong with using Astrology to avoid the problem BEFORE is arises.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes
Since dukha means a bad hole and the cause of it is correlation or conjunction (samyoga), I think the sage's advice it simple: Don't consort with bad holes. Ever met any bad holes, Card? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: OK, there is some wisdom in this Maharishi-ism. If you can see potential trouble brewing down the road and can do something about it before it hits the fan, there is value in doing that. I think at least in the YS, 'heyaM duHkham anaagatam' (the misery which is not yet come can and is to be avoided -- Taimni) refers primarily to 'duHkham eva sarvaM vivekinaH' (everything is only misery for a vivekin -- card). The next suutra states: draSTR-dRSyayoH saMyogo heya-hetuH. The cause of that which is to be avoided is the union of the Seer and the Seen. -- Taimni. And the remedy (II 25): tad-abhaavaat saMyogaabhaavo haanaM tad dRsheH kaivalyam. The dissociation of puruSa and prakRti brought about by the dispersion of avidyaa [mentioned in the previous suutra -- card] is the real remedy and that is the Liberation of the Seer. -- Taimni
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes
I'm amazed at your ability to state the same old BS in different words, I guess that's what talented writers are paid for. The fact that you looked to the Guru to make your decisions means you didn't absorb the essentials of spirituality - the need to separate the outer from inner. Spirituality doesn't means avoiding responsibility but in fact learning to respond rather than react. Sure yeah Gurus create drama like the one you describe below about committees, but that looks like a situation where the Guru wanted to teach surrender. Go to India where you see this kind of inaction because of the stupid bureaucracy, the one good effect of which is learning the values of patience through surrender. Sometimes lessons are needed at a outer level to learn the value of surrender. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: OK, there is some wisdom in this Maharishi-ism. If you can see potential trouble brewing down the road and can do something about it before it hits the fan, there is value in doing that. What I'm finding myself thinking about in this cafe today, however, are the paucity of any teachings Maharishi might have given about what to do once the problem *has* hit the fan, and is right in your face. I'm sitting here searching my memory, and I can't really remember much of any advice on the handling of problems other than, essentially, Run away and avoid the problem even now that it *has* come. Instead, dive into meditation, and its powerful Woo Woo Rays will fix the problem without you getting your hands all muddy. I remember in particular a period just before I left the TMO. I was working at National, and Maharishi instituted a new policy in which major (read any) decisions had to be approved by a multi-country Board Of Governors and, as I hear, unanimously. Jerry Jarvis was the representative on this board from the US, and because we worked together I occasionally got to hear his frustration with this concept. From his point of view, due to the committee nature of it all, almost no problems ever got solved by the committee. They'd just talk, talk, talk endlessly, never coming to any conclusion or recommending any action, and after weeks and occasionally months the problems would have been resolved on their own, through total inaction. In his frustrated moments, I remember Jerry opining that this may have the whole idea -- give people the illusion that they have some say in deciding things, but then set up a scenario in which they never really get to make any decisions. Color me not convinced that this approach reflects the world of reality. I'm SO not a God freak, or a believer in the notion that the world is run by some omnipotent being or Laws Of Nature, and so well that it really doesn't need our help in resolving problems, thank you. I think that some problems are best met head-on, and dealt with on the level of the problem. Then again, I believe in free will, and the possibility that my actions really *can* make a difference. I don't think Maharishi did, and that belief colored his approach to dealing with -- or in reality *not* dealing with -- problems. I think he believed that any problem was the result of people not being able to tell that everything was already perfect. Thus he clung to the perfection of his vision about the perfection of things like Vedaland and the Immortality Course and people levitating Any Minute Now, and ignored the things that others perceived as problems. Like Vedaland being laughed out of existence, graduates of the Immortality Course (including him) dying, and people still bouncing around on their butts all these years later like frogs on crystal meth. Like the world that he described as having entered an age of Sat Yuga still allowing one person a minute to starve to death. Call me crazy, but my allegiance these days is going to have to be with those deluded people dealing with the problem on the level of the problem and feeding these people instead of trying to sell them meditation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid....
seventhray1: Super 8. Corny, dumb, boring. Sort of astounding that Steven Spielberg produces or co-produces this quality movie. But then again, it seems to me he's lost his touch. It's got the quality, but the story may be too simple. But, it's not any more simple than 'Raiders'. Up in Austin, Harry thinks SUPER 8 is pretty damn super! Maybe you're too old to appreciate the kids. LoL! http://www.aintitcool.com/node/49854
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: seventhray1: Super 8. Corny, dumb, boring. Sort of astounding that Steven Spielberg produces or co-produces this quality movie. But then again, it seems to me he's lost his touch. It's got the quality, but the story may be too simple. But, it's not any more simple than 'Raiders'. Up in Austin, Harry thinks SUPER 8 is pretty damn super! Maybe you're too old to appreciate the kids. LoL! Maybe you're right. I guess you have to approach the movie with more of an artistic' outlook. To understand, as Harry puts it, how cool this era is. Ignore, ( what I feel) are the lame plot, the tired roles, the predictability, the CG overkill, and instead focus on the nuanes of this period. How the producers have created a brilliant film, if you don't mind being bored stiff, and can just appreciate their artistic brilliance. I just wish there was some way for me to get my $24.00 back. http://www.aintitcool.com/node/49854
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: seventhray1: Super 8. Corny, dumb, boring. Sort of astounding that Steven Spielberg produces or co-produces this quality movie. But then again, it seems to me he's lost his touch. It's got the quality, but the story may be too simple. But, it's not any more simple than 'Raiders'. Up in Austin, Harry thinks SUPER 8 is pretty damn super! Maybe you're too old to appreciate the kids. LoL! Maybe you're right. I guess you have to approach the movie with more of an artistic' outlook. To understand, as Harry puts it, how cool this era is. Ignore, ( what I feel) are the lame plot, the tired roles, the predictability, the CG overkill, and instead focus on the nuances of this period. How the producers have created a brilliant film, if you don't mind being bored stiff, and can just appreciate their artistic brilliance. I just wish there was some way for me to get my $24.00 back. Excellent review, one that synchronistically catches me watching it at home, for free. Pirate. :-) So far (I'm about halfway through), I agree with your (seventhray's) assessment. Especially the producers have created a brilliant film, if you don't mind being bored stiff. That nails it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid....
On 06/12/2011 08:40 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTexwillytex@ wrote: seventhray1: Super 8. Corny, dumb, boring. Sort of astounding that Steven Spielberg produces or co-produces this quality movie. But then again, it seems to me he's lost his touch. It's got the quality, but the story may be too simple. But, it's not any more simple than 'Raiders'. Up in Austin, Harry thinks SUPER 8 is pretty damn super! Maybe you're too old to appreciate the kids. LoL! Maybe you're right. I guess you have to approach the movie with more of an artistic' outlook. To understand, as Harry puts it, how cool this era is. Ignore, ( what I feel) are the lame plot, the tired roles, the predictability, the CG overkill, and instead focus on the nuances of this period. How the producers have created a brilliant film, if you don't mind being bored stiff, and can just appreciate their artistic brilliance. I just wish there was some way for me to get my $24.00 back. Excellent review, one that synchronistically catches me watching it at home, for free. Pirate. :-) So far (I'm about halfway through), I agree with your (seventhray's) assessment. Especially the producers have created a brilliant film, if you don't mind being bored stiff. That nails it. To clarify, Spielberg produced it and JJ Abrams directed. I was disappointed with Abrams Star Trek movie. When it comes to movies with big budgets you can be sure the accounts and execs at the studios stick the stupid noses into the productions and make for problems. This is why Hollywood is going downhill, accountants have no business making films. The Secret Lives of Others was a great film but I watched The Tourist on Friday written and directed by the same guy and it was terrible. I don't know what went wrong there but it may again be the director wanting to take the film one way and the studio another (like stupid homage to the big budget spy films of the 60s). Spain has been making some great films these days and I cleaned my palate afterwards by watching Diary of a Nymphomaniac which was very steamy, had lots of flesh and certainly not for amateur brahmacharis but a well written, directed and produced story. Of course it wasn't a popcorn movie either: http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Diary_of_a_Nymphomaniac/70136065 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt890/ For a great popcorn movie I would recommend The Troll Hunter as long as you don't mind subtitles and trolls. Since it's moved into theaters it's available for a reasonable price online and I watched it on Vudu. It's sort of a mix between Blair Witch and Cloverfield (also an Abrams film) but well done and very entertaining. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1740707/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@ wrote: seventhray1: Super 8. Corny, dumb, boring. Sort of astounding that Steven Spielberg produces or co-produces this quality movie. But then again, it seems to me he's lost his touch. It's got the quality, but the story may be too simple. But, it's not any more simple than 'Raiders'. Up in Austin, Harry thinks SUPER 8 is pretty damn super! Maybe you're too old to appreciate the kids. LoL! Maybe you're right. I guess you have to approach the movie with more of an artistic' outlook. To understand, as Harry puts it, how cool this era is. Ignore, ( what I feel) are the lame plot, the tired roles, the predictability, the CG overkill, and instead focus on the nuances of this period. How the producers have created a brilliant film, if you don't mind being bored stiff, and can just appreciate their artistic brilliance. I just wish there was some way for me to get my $24.00 back. Excellent review, one that synchronistically catches me watching it at home, for free. Pirate. :-) Makes sense. I'm embarrassed to say that it's the second burn in a row. A couple weeks ago, we saw Thor. I did no preliminary research, and went on the spur of the moment. Bad move IMO. My wife keeps recommending the Woody Allen movie, and as in most instances her recommendations are right. So maybe we'll check it out. So far (I'm about halfway through), I agree with your (seventhray's) assessment. Especially the producers have created a brilliant film, if you don't mind being bored stiff. That nails it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: To clarify, Spielberg produced it and JJ Abrams directed. I was disappointed with Abrams Star Trek movie. When it comes to movies with big budgets you can be sure the accounts and execs at the studios stick the stupid noses into the productions and make for problems. This is why Hollywood is going downhill, accountants have no business making films. When I see what gets high marks on sites like Dirty Rotten Tomatoes, and see what is bringing in the big box office, the term that comes to mind is sheeple
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: snip For a great popcorn movie I would recommend The Troll Hunter as long as you don't mind subtitles and trolls. Since it's moved into theaters it's available for a reasonable price online and I watched it on Vudu. It's sort of a mix between Blair Witch and Cloverfield (also an Abrams film) but well done and very entertaining. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1740707/ Andrew O'Hehir of Salon.com loved it: http://www.salon.com/entertainment/movies/our_picks/index.html?story=/ent/movies/andrew_ohehir/2011/06/10/trollhunter http://tinyurl.com/3f3476o
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid....
On 06/12/2011 09:43 AM, seventhray1 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: To clarify, Spielberg produced it and JJ Abrams directed. I was disappointed with Abrams Star Trek movie. When it comes to movies with big budgets you can be sure the accounts and execs at the studios stick the stupid noses into the productions and make for problems. This is why Hollywood is going downhill, accountants have no business making films. When I see what gets high marks on sites like Dirty Rotten Tomatoes, and see what is bringing in the big box office, the term that comes to mind is sheeple If I were to spend money at a theater nowadays I would probably go see Terence Mallick's Tree of Life which is playing at the local art house barn on two screens. If one of those is the dome it is worth attending. Domes were early stadium model theaters and it is one of the remaining ones in the states. I think people just go to a movie to be going to a movie and many may be saying boy that sucked afterward. In the 1950's and 60's many went to see some funky sci-fi and horror films just to laugh at them but back then a ticket averaged around 70 cents.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid....
On 06/12/2011 09:59 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: snip For a great popcorn movie I would recommend The Troll Hunter as long as you don't mind subtitles and trolls. Since it's moved into theaters it's available for a reasonable price online and I watched it on Vudu. It's sort of a mix between Blair Witch and Cloverfield (also an Abrams film) but well done and very entertaining. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1740707/ Andrew O'Hehir of Salon.com loved it: http://www.salon.com/entertainment/movies/our_picks/index.html?story=/ent/movies/andrew_ohehir/2011/06/10/trollhunter http://tinyurl.com/3f3476o Good article and reflects what I thought about a lot of the film. As he mentions it opened in New York this weekend and more locations in the two weeks (mostly all art house). However it has been playing for sometime in the pre-release sections of Comcast OnDemand and Vudu and not sure anywhere else. Mark Cuban, who owns Magnolia Films, licenses a lot of these indie and foreign films for distribution and having made money in tech, licenses them for streaming. Good idea because art houses are dwindling around the country. The price before it hits the theaters is usually $12 for HD and $8 after it hits theaters.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: I think people just go to a movie to be going to a movie and many may be saying boy that sucked afterward. In the 1950's and 60's many went to see some funky sci-fi and horror films just to laugh at them but back then a ticket averaged around 70 cents. One of the reasons I am a film freak is that during a formative period of my life (age 14 to 18) I lived on US Air Force bases. Each of those bases had a movie theater, and sometimes more than one. The program changed continuously, a different film every night. Tickets cost a quarter. This cost enabled me to grow up as somewhat of a film fanatic. If I saw a film at one of the theaters on the base and I found that I really liked it, my immediate response -- even then -- was to see it again, to try to figure out WHY I liked it. And I could. All I had to do was to go to another of the theaters on the base and most likely it would be playing there the next night (the films rotated nightly among the theaters). And it would cost me all of another quarter. On one of the bases I lived on in Morocco, one of the three theaters was of a type that I have never seen since. It was a walk-in drive-in. Really. There was no roof, just rows of concrete benches set up facing a full-sized theater screen, flanked by good theater- quality speakers. Behind the seats was a projection booth and the snack bar. You'd take a blanket and maybe some snacks or drinks of your own and watch a first-run American movie, above you the amazing blanket of stars that was the Moroccan sky. The movie-going experience has been going downhill for me ever since. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: If I were to spend money at a theater nowadays I would probably go see Terence Mallick's Tree of Life which is playing at the local art house barn on two screens. If one of those is the dome it is worth attending. Domes were early stadium model theaters and it is one of the remaining ones in the states. I think people just go to a movie to be going to a movie and many may be saying boy that sucked afterward. In the 1950's and 60's many went to see some funky sci-fi and horror films just to laugh at them but back then a ticket averaged around 70 cents. Cost has become a consideration for me. Two adults and one child (depending on age) will be close to $30.00. I like the theatre environment, (especially the one I often frequent with couches), but I am weighing the risk and reward a lot more carefully.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid....
On 06/12/2011 12:31 PM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: I think people just go to a movie to be going to a movie and many may be saying boy that sucked afterward. In the 1950's and 60's many went to see some funky sci-fi and horror films just to laugh at them but back then a ticket averaged around 70 cents. One of the reasons I am a film freak is that during a formative period of my life (age 14 to 18) I lived on US Air Force bases. Each of those bases had a movie theater, and sometimes more than one. The program changed continuously, a different film every night. Tickets cost a quarter. This cost enabled me to grow up as somewhat of a film fanatic. If I saw a film at one of the theaters on the base and I found that I really liked it, my immediate response -- even then -- was to see it again, to try to figure out WHY I liked it. And I could. All I had to do was to go to another of the theaters on the base and most likely it would be playing there the next night (the films rotated nightly among the theaters). And it would cost me all of another quarter. On one of the bases I lived on in Morocco, one of the three theaters was of a type that I have never seen since. It was a walk-in drive-in. Really. There was no roof, just rows of concrete benches set up facing a full-sized theater screen, flanked by good theater- quality speakers. Behind the seats was a projection booth and the snack bar. You'd take a blanket and maybe some snacks or drinks of your own and watch a first-run American movie, above you the amazing blanket of stars that was the Moroccan sky. The movie-going experience has been going downhill for me ever since. :-) I grew up near a town with a liberal arts college and in high school I saw Fellini and other foreign films at the local theater. When I went to the U of W there was the Ridgemont in Seattle which was mostly all foreign films at the time. Then in the 1970s more theaters such as the Harvard Exit and Seven Gables chain opened showing foreign and independent films. I rarely saw a Hollywood film in the 1970s. Returning to my hometown during the 1980s another entrepreneur opened a couple of multiplexes and had at least one art house film playing in an auditorium due to the local college crowd. I saw many of the foreign and indie films of that decade there. The Bay Area had one art house in nearby Lafayette and when Century Theaters built a new multiplex in Pleasant Hill on the other side of the freeway they made the old complex a Cinearts. It is is need of remodeling but there is a rift going on between the two owners of the mall there and the south end owner where the theaters are doesn't want to remodel though the north end owner remodeled. Of course I saw a lot more indie and foreign films Berkeley when gas was cheaper. My sister and brother-in-law liked to attend Sunday matinées with me at the Elmwood where a lot of foreign films played. Of course with a large screen HD set and surround system it is much easier to see these films at home now. Plus there is a pause button. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid The Problem Before It Comes(TM)
TurquoiseB wrote: We have crafted this new antinegativityware product with the TM Raja in mind... If it's software you wrote, I'd pass. We've already been thought this before, with you code cult guys writing software and trying to help out computer users. Your name is mud all over the World Wide Web. So, maybe it would be a good thing for you to keep your pie hole shut about computer software. Preaching enlightenment through computer science, Lenz's organization offers a series of classes in database management and computer systems, but then pushes neophyte programmers to misrepresent themselves in order to obtain lucrative computer consulting contracts - and turn most of the proceeds over to him... Read more: 'The Code Cult of the CPU Guru' By Zachary Margulis Wired, Issue 2.04 http://tinyurl.com/klj2g5
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid Enlightenment
--The idea that the desire for Enlightenment is the greatest obstacle to attaining it is a bunch of Neo-Advaitin nonsense. Total trash. One might as well say, The desire to acquire a million desires is the greatest obstacle to it. The statement would be true if all it took were for people to go around saying things like: (alone the lines of HWL Poonja)... 1. Awaken to the realization that you are already Enlightened. 2. Give up all techniques and just Be. One might argue that acquiring a million dollars is in the category of getting something, whereas Enlightenment is undoing. OK, fine - but getting something and undoing (especially the latter); in real life is not an instantaneous affair, and - if you question lots of people - you will find that even those advocating instantaneous Awakening have a long history of prior Sadhana before coming to that realization. Take HWL Poonja. As he narrates in the biography by David Godman, at one time he was an ordinary dude with no strong interest in spiritual matters, when his work as an engineer took him to Tamil Nadu and the region of Tiruvannamalai. (near Arunachala, the abode of Ramana Maharshi). He comes into Ramana's cave and after getting over the initial blast of Shakti, tells Ramana about his recurring visions of Krishna. Ramana says, are you having a vision of Krishna right now?. Poonja realizes or AWAKENS to the fact of the already prior, innate ground of being, and becomes Self-Realized on the spot with no Sadhana at all. But then if one reads further, Poonja says that he was an advanced Krishna Bhakta Yogi in his previous incarnation. Therefore, his Sadhana was already done/finished before walking into the Presence of Ramana to receive the last blast of Shaki coupled with simple statements. Then, years pass - from the 40's into the 70's and 80's. People flock to see Poonja and pay him to say give up all techniques and just Be. That's what Poonja did in the presence of Ramana, but AFTER undergoing lifetimes of Sadhana. The bottom line is, the usual Satsang messages of the many Neo- Advaitins don't work. Let's try it now: When we hear You are already Enlightened, give up all techniques right now and just Be! Did that work? Didn't think so. Though undoing is in a different category of effort than doing, if one fills a ditch with dirt and undoes the work, the undoing takes an equal amount of effort. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Arhata Osho arhatafreespe...@... wrote: It is good that the desire for enlightenment seems far away, because the desire for enlightenment is the greatest barrier in attaining it. It is one of the eternal questions for the seekers of truth. On the one hand the masters go on saying, Attain enlightenment, and on the other hand they go on saying, Don't desire it. And it has been a great puzzle for the poor disciple. The master is saying both things: desire it, and don't desire it. Desire it because it is the only thing desirable; don't desire it because desire becomes a barrier. Not to create that puzzle for you, my way of working has been different. Just being with you, talking or not talking, just giving my whole heart to you and creating a situation in which you can taste something of enlightenment. .. even that small taste of enlightenment will be enough for you to stop here and now in this moment. You will forget all desires, enlightenment included. If a situation can be created in which you are so blissful, so contented, that just for a moment there is no desire in your mind, you have learned a great lesson -- that if this state of no-desire can continue every moment, you need not bother about enlightenment: it will come to you. You have not to go to it. It is not an object sitting somewhere that you have to desire and find and work hard and go to it. It is simply your own state when there is no desire. This desirelessness is the most blissful state possible, and enlightenment is another name for it. Knowing it even for one moment is enough, because you are never given by life two moments together; it is always one moment. And if you know the secret, the alchemy of transforming this moment, you know the whole secret of transforming life, because the next moment will also be the same. You can do to it what you have done before; you can continue in desirelessness. ~~ from The Path of the Mystic, ch 2
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid Enlightenment
The 'above title' states my viewpoint, particularly, 'talk of enlightenment'. Talk of experienced love makes far more sense. Ask any woman! Arhata --The idea that the desire for Enlightenment is the greatest obstacle to attaining it is a bunch of Neo-Advaitin nonsense. Total trash. One might as well say, The desire to acquire a million desires is the greatest obstacle to it. The statement would be true if all it took were for people to go around saying things like: (alone the lines of HWL Poonja)... 1. Awaken to the realization that you are already Enlightened. 2. Give up all techniques and just Be. One might argue that acquiring a million dollars is in the category of getting something, whereas Enlightenment is undoing. OK, fine - but getting something and undoing (especially the latter); in real life is not an instantaneous affair, and - if you question lots of people - you will find that even those advocating instantaneous Awakening have a long history of prior Sadhana before coming to that realization. Take HWL Poonja. As he narrates in the biography by David Godman, at one time he was an ordinary dude with no strong interest in spiritual matters, when his work as an engineer took him to Tamil Nadu and the region of Tiruvannamalai. (near Arunachala, the abode of Ramana Maharshi). He comes into Ramana's cave and after getting over the initial blast of Shakti, tells Ramana about his recurring visions of Krishna. Ramana says, are you having a vision of Krishna right now?. Poonja realizes or AWAKENS to the fact of the already prior, innate ground of being, and becomes Self-Realized on the spot with no Sadhana at all. But then if one reads further, Poonja says that he was an advanced Krishna Bhakta Yogi in his previous incarnation. Therefore, his Sadhana was already done/finished before walking into the Presence of Ramana to receive the last blast of Shaki coupled with simple statements. Then, years pass - from the 40's into the 70's and 80's. People flock to see Poonja and pay him to say give up all techniques and just Be. That's what Poonja did in the presence of Ramana, but AFTER undergoing lifetimes of Sadhana. The bottom line is, the usual Satsang messages of the many Neo- Advaitins don't work. Let's try it now: When we hear You are already Enlightened, give up all techniques right now and just Be! Did that work? Didn't think so. Though undoing is in a different category of effort than doing, if one fills a ditch with dirt and undoes the work, the undoing takes an equal amount of effort. In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Arhata Osho arhatafreespeech@ ... wrote: It is good that the desire for enlightenment seems far away, because the desire for enlightenment is the greatest barrier in attaining it. It is one of the eternal questions for the seekers of truth. On the one hand the masters go on saying, Attain enlightenment, and on the other hand they go on saying, Don't desire it. And it has been a great puzzle for the poor disciple. The master is saying both things: desire it, and don't desire it. Desire it because it is the only thing desirable; don't desire it because desire becomes a barrier. Not to create that puzzle for you, my way of working has been different. Just being with you, talking or not talking, just giving my whole heart to you and creating a situation in which you can taste something of enlightenment. .. even that small taste of enlightenment will be enough for you to stop here and now in this moment. You will forget all desires, enlightenment included. If a situation can be created in which you are so blissful, so contented, that just for a moment there is no desire in your mind, you have learned a great lesson -- that if this state of no-desire can continue every moment, you need not bother about enlightenment: it will come to you. You have not to go to it. It is not an object sitting somewhere that you have to desire and find and work hard and go to it. It is simply your own state when there is no desire. This desirelessness is the most blissful state possible, and enlightenment is another name for it. Knowing it even for one moment is enough, because you are never given by life two moments together; it is always one moment. And if you know the secret, the alchemy of transforming this moment, you know the whole secret of transforming life, because the next moment will also be the same. You can do to it what you have done before; you can continue in desirelessness. ~~ from The Path of the Mystic, ch 2
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid Enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , yifuxero yifux...@... wrote: --The idea that the desire for Enlightenment is the greatest obstacle to attaining it is a bunch of Neo-Advaitin nonsense. Total trash. One might as well say, The desire to acquire a million desires is the greatest obstacle to it. The statement would be true if all it took were for people to go around saying things like: (alone the lines of HWL Poonja)... 1. Awaken to the realization that you are already Enlightened. 2. Give up all techniques and just Be. I could do both of these if only I could get up early in the morning, but no matter how hard I try, I cannot get up early in the morning. Therefore, my desire to get up in the morning is the obstacle to me getting enlightened. Therefore, I think I'll just lie in, and see what happens. OffWorld
