[FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness
Yay! Yay! I was hoping you'd bring this up at some point. About 15 or 20 years ago a friend turned me on the mystique of St. Germaine. And of course, I love a good story, and St. Germaine had all the elements of one. It happened that one of the original students of the Ballards lived in St. Louis and ran a beautiful old temple under their auspices, The Saint Germain Foundation. It was right next to the Vedanta Society. (I could go to into my sojourne with Ramakrishna and Vivekenanda, but I'll save that for another day) I started attending meetings there. It was me and two other people. (my whole participation lasted about three months) I went along with the decrees and readings. The high point was going to Chicago for a regional get together. My whole participation was driven more by curiosity than actual belief. In fact, I noticed a discrepency in the introduction of the first book which caused them to do a whole new printing. And at some point, even though this was early internet, I became aware of all the diputes around the Ballards. Over time, I became aware of more. The point I am making this: There were many positive things I took away from that experience. Things that I think about each day. I can accept that the material for the books was lifted from other sources. I can accept that maybe the transmissions' were all a hoax. But inspite of all of it, I extracted, what for me, was something of value. And in no way would I feel the need to disparage the organization, or feel that I was cheated. I guess this may be a difference betweeen you and me. You come away from these experiences with what appears to be a chip on your shoulder. As far the rest of your sermon, er post, I think it's what we've all heard many times before. Seek the Kingdom of Heaven Within. That's from the Bible right? I'm sorry that you seem to have such a low opinion of most teachers of spiritual disciplines. Anyway, I rushing a little this morning. If you really want to hear a funny story, ask me about my two trips to Mount Shasta in Ca. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: So here is the deal  In addition to good thoughts and teachings, The Bible is filled with inaccuracies, baloney and outright lies. Yet when people who seek God read and study the Bible, they often can have powerful experiences of what one might call Holy Spirit.  One of the biggest (in my opinion) frauds in the New Age area are the set of books known as the Unveiled Mystery series (which they used to sell under the counter at the 21st Century book store). This is a series of books supposedly channeled by a fellow named Guy Ballard who claimed to have a close personal relationship with a bunch of the Ascended Masters. These books are fraudulent and Ballard never did any of the crap he claims, yet for those who believe, they can read the books and feel great energy that they attribute to the Ascended Masters. Maharishi took elements of Hindu practice and belief, Indian cultural and Vedic elements and cobbled together âhisâ own schtick and passed it off as ancient knowledge. And since it contains elements of truth, when one is exposed to it, one can feel great energy. This occurs due to the fact that we are made of energy, of God Light, Pure Awareness or Presence or whatever you want to call it. We in truth donât need any gurus or leaders or books to find this Self, this True Energy Self, cuz it is who we are. So when we are exposed to aperson, place, thing, animal, or book that REMINDS us of who we are, we suddenly have a âshiftâ of awareness that we then ATTRIBUTE to the book, guru, place or partner. It donât have shit to do with Maharishi or Maharishiâs âknowledgeâ or the Bible or a Master, embodied or disembodied â it has to do with the fact that for that moment of time we remembered who we are. Thatâs it. We don't need the gurus and they know it, but don't want us to know it cuz then the gravy train is over for them.
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I don't disparage the Ballards - I am saying outright that when people focus on their spiritual evolution they tend to get it even if they go to frauds they believe are ascended or enlightened - they fact that Guy was on the lam for a while for selling stock in a gold mine that didn't exist is a simple fact and just means that was one of his many frauds. I can give you specific reasons that his channeling was bogus but most on FFL seem uninterested in the subject so I didn't. As I said also in the Bible there is a lot of junk, but people gain a lot of solace and even genuine higher states of awareness from the study thereof. It is because we have all we need inside - the day of the guru is over, but all of them are hanging on cuz they don't know how else they will eat if people don't donate or buy their seminars etc. From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 9:08 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness Yay! Yay! I was hoping you'd bring this up at some point. About 15 or 20 years ago a friend turned me on the mystique of St. Germaine. And of course, I love a good story, and St. Germaine had all the elements of one. It happened that one of the original students of the Ballards lived in St. Louis and ran a beautiful old temple under their auspices, The Saint Germain Foundation. It was right next to the Vedanta Society. (I could go to into my sojourne with Ramakrishna and Vivekenanda, but I'll save that for another day) I started attending meetings there. It was me and two other people. (my whole participation lasted about three months) I went along with the decrees and readings. The high point was going to Chicago for a regional get together. My whole participation was driven more by curiosity than actual belief. In fact, I noticed a discrepency in the introduction of the first book which caused them to do a whole new printing. And at some point, even though this was early internet, I became aware of all the diputes around the Ballards. Over time, I became aware of more. The point I am making this: There were many positive things I took away from that experience. Things that I think about each day. I can accept that the material for the books was lifted from other sources. I can accept that maybe the transmissions' were all a hoax. But inspite of all of it, I extracted, what for me, was something of value. And in no way would I feel the need to disparage the organization, or feel that I was cheated. I guess this may be a difference betweeen you and me. You come away from these experiences with what appears to be a chip on your shoulder. As far the rest of your sermon, er post, I think it's what we've all heard many times before. Seek the Kingdom of Heaven Within. That's from the Bible right? I'm sorry that you seem to have such a low opinion of most teachers of spiritual disciplines. Anyway, I rushing a little this morning. If you really want to hear a funny story, ask me about my two trips to Mount Shasta in Ca. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: So here is the deal  In addition to good thoughts and teachings, The Bible is filled with inaccuracies, baloney and outright lies. Yet when people who seek God read and study the Bible, they often can have powerful experiences of what one might call Holy Spirit.  One of the biggest (in my opinion) frauds in the New Age area are the set of books known as the Unveiled Mystery series (which they used to sell under the counter at the 21st Century book store). This is a series of books supposedly channeled by a fellow named Guy Ballard who claimed to have a close personal relationship with a bunch of the Ascended Masters. These books are fraudulent and Ballard never did any of the crap he claims, yet for those who believe, they can read the books and feel great energy that they attribute to the Ascended Masters. Maharishi took elements of Hindu practice and belief, Indian cultural and Vedic elements and cobbled together “his� own schtick and passed it off as ancient knowledge. And since it contains elements of truth, when one is exposed to it, one can feel great energy. This occurs due to the fact that we are made of energy, of God Light, Pure Awareness or Presence or whatever you want to call it. We in truth don’t need any gurus or leaders or books to find this Self, this True Energy Self, cuz it is who we are. So when we are exposed to aperson, place, thing, animal, or book that REMINDS us of who we are, we suddenly have a “shift� of awareness that we then ATTRIBUTE to the book, guru, place or partner. It don’t have shit to do with Maharishi or Maharishi’s “knowledge� or the Bible or a Master, embodied or disembodied †it has to do with the fact that for that moment of time we remembered who
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: snip As I said also in the Bible there is a lot of junk, but people gain a lot of solace and even genuine higher states of awareness from the study thereof. It is because we have all we need inside - the day of the guru is over, but all of them are hanging on cuz they don't know how else they will eat if people don't donate or buy their seminars etc. Good to know. When did this happen? Should we throw out all our books? And if there is a central agency for Guru's, have you let them know this? Otherwise you may have to go around individually to each.
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so you would always have people tied to someone else for their spiritual evolution? From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 12:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: snip As I said also in the Bible there is a lot of junk, but people gain a lot of solace and even genuine higher states of awareness from the study thereof. It is because we have all we need inside - the day of the guru is over, but all of them are hanging on cuz they don't know how else they will eat if people don't donate or buy their seminars etc. Good to know. When did this happen? Should we throw out all our books? And if there is a central agency for Guru's, have you let them know this? Otherwise you may have to go around individually to each.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness
Not to get into the whole church vs. state mess, but, perhaps if someone well known in the Federal Government could come up with a slogan, like Nancy Reagan's hugely successful, Just say NO to drugs, zinger from the 1980's, which has clearly eradicated the scourge of use and abuse in this country, we could make a dent in this issue. Hmmm...Gurus are Goners, A person needs a guru, like a fish needs a bicycle, Gurus Repent!, Gurus are the opiate of the masses - like that. And, unlike many government spending boondoggles, this one pays for itself. Experts estimate this *backlash* market (for bumper stickers, screen savers, t-shirts, and books) could be worth as much as two hundred dollars, nationally. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: snip As I said also in the Bible there is a lot of junk, but people gain a lot of solace and even genuine higher states of awareness from the study thereof. It is because we have all we need inside - the day of the guru is over, but all of them are hanging on cuz they don't know how else they will eat if people don't donate or buy their seminars etc. Good to know. When did this happen? Should we throw out all our books? And if there is a central agency for Guru's, have you let them know this? Otherwise you may have to go around individually to each.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness
Okay. Tell me what you learn without a teacher. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: so you would always have people tied to someone else for their spiritual evolution? From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 12:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: snip As I said also in the Bible there is a lot of junk, but people gain a lot of solace and even genuine higher states of awareness from the study thereof. It is because we have all we need inside -  the day of the guru is over, but all of them are hanging on cuz they don't know how else they will eat if people don't donate or buy their seminars etc. Good to know.  When did this happen?  Should we throw out all our books?  And if there is a central agency for Guru's,  have you let them know this? Otherwise you may have to go around individually to each.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Not to get into the whole church vs. state mess, but, perhaps if someone well known in the Federal Government could come up with a slogan, like Nancy Reagan's hugely successful, Just say NO to drugs, zinger from the 1980's, which has clearly eradicated the scourge of use and abuse in this country, we could make a dent in this issue. Hmmm...Gurus are Goners, A person needs a guru, like a fish needs a bicycle, Gurus Repent!, Gurus are the opiate of the masses - like that. I like all those possibilities. And, unlike many government spending boondoggles, this one pays for itself. Experts estimate this *backlash* market (for bumper stickers, screen savers, t-shirts, and books) could be worth as much as two hundred dollars, nationally. MJ has announced a press coference: MJ: Thank you all for coming here. I know it is short notice, but I have a very important announcement to make. (cameras clicking as MJ adjusts the microphone, and clears his voice) MJ: Today at 12:01 GMT, the day of the Guru has ceased. I know this is going to come as a shock to the followers of Gurus, and of course, to the Gurus themselves. As a courtesy, the phase out will begin in stages, starting in North America, and working its way east. I have done this to give the largest concentration of gurus, in the great sub continent of India sufficient time to make other arrangements for their livelihood. And as a further gesture of kindness on my part, I have established various stations in India to collect any orange garments associated with gurus or sanyassis to be turned in for a set amount of rupees. We will also allow recompense for sanyassi walking sticks, or dandis. Begging bowls will be exempt. In the interim, should any feel bereft from the disassociation from their guru, I will be available to offer my services. This, of course, will be done on a pro-bono basis, requesting only funds necessary to provide the most basic of amenities. Thank you for coming. There will time for questions later.
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Myself From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 3:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness Okay. Tell me what you learn without a teacher. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: so you would always have people tied to someone else for their spiritual evolution? From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 12:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: snip As I said also in the Bible there is a lot of junk, but people gain a lot of solace and even genuine higher states of awareness from the study thereof. It is because we have all we need inside -  the day of the guru is over, but all of them are hanging on cuz they don't know how else they will eat if people don't donate or buy their seminars etc. Good to know.  When did this happen?  Should we throw out all our books?  And if there is a central agency for Guru's,  have you let them know this? Otherwise you may have to go around individually to each.
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Sounds pretty good for the world to me. From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 3:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Not to get into the whole church vs. state mess, but, perhaps if someone well known in the Federal Government could come up with a slogan, like Nancy Reagan's hugely successful, Just say NO to drugs, zinger from the 1980's, which has clearly eradicated the scourge of use and abuse in this country, we could make a dent in this issue. Hmmm...Gurus are Goners, A person needs a guru, like a fish needs a bicycle, Gurus Repent!, Gurus are the opiate of the masses - like that. I like all those possibilities. And, unlike many government spending boondoggles, this one pays for itself. Experts estimate this *backlash* market (for bumper stickers, screen savers, t-shirts, and books) could be worth as much as two hundred dollars, nationally. MJ has announced a press coference: MJ: Thank you all for coming here. I know it is short notice, but I have a very important announcement to make. (cameras clicking as MJ adjusts the microphone, and clears his voice) MJ: Today at 12:01 GMT, the day of the Guru has ceased. I know this is going to come as a shock to the followers of Gurus, and of course, to the Gurus themselves. As a courtesy, the phase out will begin in stages, starting in North America, and working its way east. I have done this to give the largest concentration of gurus, in the great sub continent of Indiasufficient time to make other arrangements for their livelihood. And as a further gesture of kindness on my part, I have established various stations in Indiato collect any orange garments associated with gurus or sanyassis to be turned in for a set amount of rupees. We will also allow recompense for sanyassi walking sticks, or dandis. Begging bowls will be exempt. In the interim, should any feel bereft from the disassociation from their guru, I will be available to offer my services. This, of course, will be done on a pro-bono basis, requesting only funds necessary to provide the most basic of amenities. Thank you for coming. There will time for questions later.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: MJ: Thank you all for coming here. I know it is short notice, but I have a very important announcement to make. (cameras clicking as MJ adjusts the microphone, and clears his voice) MJ: Today at 12:01 GMT, the day of the Guru has ceased. I know this is going to come as a shock to the followers of Gurus, and of course, to the Gurus themselves. As a courtesy, the phase out will begin in stages, starting in North America, and working its way east. I have done this to give the largest concentration of gurus, in the great sub continent of India sufficient time to make other arrangements for their livelihood. And as a further gesture of kindness on my part, I have established various stations in India to collect any orange garments associated with gurus or sanyassis to be turned in for a set amount of rupees. We will also allow recompense for sanyassi walking sticks, or dandis. Begging bowls will be exempt. In the interim, should any feel bereft from the disassociation from their guru, I will be available to offer my services. This, of course, will be done on a pro-bono basis, requesting only funds necessary to provide the most basic of amenities. Thank you for coming. There will time for questions later. http://cheezburger.com/7017001472
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness
Okay, so you learn about yourself without a teacher. Well, of course we all do from the time we are born. But, if you do not see the role of a teacher to guide us in most every endeavour from learning to talk then that's great. For me, most things I have learned have been from a teacher, and it was a teacher who gave my spiritual impulses shape and direction. It is true, that now, I do not follow a teacher, but I feel I have enough to process on my own. Perhaps at some point, the need for a teacher will again present itself. I certainly remain open to that possibility. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Myself From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 3:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness  Okay.  Tell me what you learn without a teacher. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: so you would always have people tied to someone else for their spiritual evolution? From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 12:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: snip As I said also in the Bible there is a lot of junk, but people gain a lot of solace and even genuine higher states of awareness from the study thereof. It is because we have all we need inside - àthe day of the guru is over, but all of them are hanging on cuz they don't know how else they will eat if people don't donate or buy their seminars etc. Good to know. àWhen did this happen? àShould we throw out all our books? àAnd if there is a central agency for Guru's, àhave you let them know this? Otherwise you may have to go around individually to each.
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I'll be waiting - make sure to bring your check book and the deed to your house (as is our tradition) From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 4:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness Okay, so you learn about yourself without a teacher. Well, of course we all do from the time we are born. But, if you do not see the role of a teacher to guide us in most every endeavour from learning to talk then that's great. For me, most things I have learned have been from a teacher, and it was a teacher who gave my spiritual impulses shape and direction. It is true, that now, I do not follow a teacher, but I feel I have enough to process on my own. Perhaps at some point, the need for a teacher will again present itself. I certainly remain open to that possibility. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Myself From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 3:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness  Okay.  Tell me what you learn without a teacher. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: so you would always have people tied to someone else for their spiritual evolution? From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 12:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: snip As I said also in the Bible there is a lot of junk, but people gain a lot of solace and even genuine higher states of awareness from the study thereof. It is because we have all we need inside -  the day of the guru is over, but all of them are hanging on cuz they don't know how else they will eat if people don't donate or buy their seminars etc. Good to know.  When did this happen?  Should we throw out all our books?  And if there is a central agency for Guru's,  have you let them know this? Otherwise you may have to go around individually to each.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness
Sounds good - Just curious, are we gonna announce the whole Rudraksha beads for Olive Garden giftcard swap option, now, or handle it on a case by case basis later? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Not to get into the whole church vs. state mess, but, perhaps if someone well known in the Federal Government could come up with a slogan, like Nancy Reagan's hugely successful, Just say NO to drugs, zinger from the 1980's, which has clearly eradicated the scourge of use and abuse in this country, we could make a dent in this issue. Hmmm...Gurus are Goners, A person needs a guru, like a fish needs a bicycle, Gurus Repent!, Gurus are the opiate of the masses - like that. I like all those possibilities. And, unlike many government spending boondoggles, this one pays for itself. Experts estimate this *backlash* market (for bumper stickers, screen savers, t-shirts, and books) could be worth as much as two hundred dollars, nationally. MJ has announced a press coference: MJ: Thank you all for coming here. I know it is short notice, but I have a very important announcement to make. (cameras clicking as MJ adjusts the microphone, and clears his voice) MJ: Today at 12:01 GMT, the day of the Guru has ceased. I know this is going to come as a shock to the followers of Gurus, and of course, to the Gurus themselves. As a courtesy, the phase out will begin in stages, starting in North America, and working its way east. I have done this to give the largest concentration of gurus, in the great sub continent of India sufficient time to make other arrangements for their livelihood. And as a further gesture of kindness on my part, I have established various stations in India to collect any orange garments associated with gurus or sanyassis to be turned in for a set amount of rupees. We will also allow recompense for sanyassi walking sticks, or dandis. Begging bowls will be exempt. In the interim, should any feel bereft from the disassociation from their guru, I will be available to offer my services. This, of course, will be done on a pro-bono basis, requesting only funds necessary to provide the most basic of amenities. Thank you for coming. There will time for questions later.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness
As a fellow forum member, and I hope, a friend, Steve, I think you may find what you are looking for, here, should you feel the need to seek another teacher - Jai Guru Dev: http://www.mcphee.com/shop/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: Okay, so you learn about yourself without a teacher. Well, of course we all do from the time we are born. But, if you do not see the role of a teacher to guide us in most every endeavour from learning to talk then that's great. For me, most things I have learned have been from a teacher, and it was a teacher who gave my spiritual impulses shape and direction. It is true, that now, I do not follow a teacher, but I feel I have enough to process on my own. Perhaps at some point, the need for a teacher will again present itself. I certainly remain open to that possibility. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Myself From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 3:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness  Okay.  Tell me what you learn without a teacher. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: so you would always have people tied to someone else for their spiritual evolution? From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 12:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: snip As I said also in the Bible there is a lot of junk, but people gain a lot of solace and even genuine higher states of awareness from the study thereof. It is because we have all we need inside - àthe day of the guru is over, but all of them are hanging on cuz they don't know how else they will eat if people don't donate or buy their seminars etc. Good to know. àWhen did this happen? àShould we throw out all our books? àAnd if there is a central agency for Guru's, àhave you let them know this? Otherwise you may have to go around individually to each.
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6mm and below will fetch a higher value, than 6mm and above. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Sounds good - Just curious, are we gonna announce the whole Rudraksha beads for Olive Garden giftcard swap option, now, or handle it on a case by case basis later? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Not to get into the whole church vs. state mess, but, perhaps if someone well known in the Federal Government could come up with a slogan, like Nancy Reagan's hugely successful, Just say NO to drugs, zinger from the 1980's, which has clearly eradicated the scourge of use and abuse in this country, we could make a dent in this issue. Hmmm...Gurus are Goners, A person needs a guru, like a fish needs a bicycle, Gurus Repent!, Gurus are the opiate of the masses - like that. I like all those possibilities. And, unlike many government spending boondoggles, this one pays for itself. Experts estimate this *backlash* market (for bumper stickers, screen savers, t-shirts, and books) could be worth as much as two hundred dollars, nationally. MJ has announced a press coference: MJ: Thank you all for coming here. I know it is short notice, but I have a very important announcement to make. (cameras clicking as MJ adjusts the microphone, and clears his voice) MJ: Today at 12:01 GMT, the day of the Guru has ceased. I know this is going to come as a shock to the followers of Gurus, and of course, to the Gurus themselves. As a courtesy, the phase out will begin in stages, starting in North America, and working its way east. I have done this to give the largest concentration of gurus, in the great sub continent of India sufficient time to make other arrangements for their livelihood. And as a further gesture of kindness on my part, I have established various stations in India to collect any orange garments associated with gurus or sanyassis to be turned in for a set amount of rupees. We will also allow recompense for sanyassi walking sticks, or dandis. Begging bowls will be exempt. In the interim, should any feel bereft from the disassociation from their guru, I will be available to offer my services. This, of course, will be done on a pro-bono basis, requesting only funds necessary to provide the most basic of amenities. Thank you for coming. There will time for questions later.
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Yes Jim ditto on all counts. I have always gotten immense benefit from this as well. http://www.thingsyouneverknew.com/?code=googlejsbWT.srch=1gclid=CLfV49LgmLUCFcWPPAodHDQAUg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: As a fellow forum member, and I hope, a friend, Steve, I think you may find what you are looking for, here, should you feel the need to seek another teacher - Jai Guru Dev: http://www.mcphee.com/shop/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: Okay, so you learn about yourself without a teacher. Well, of course we all do from the time we are born. But, if you do not see the role of a teacher to guide us in most every endeavour from learning to talk then that's great. For me, most things I have learned have been from a teacher, and it was a teacher who gave my spiritual impulses shape and direction. It is true, that now, I do not follow a teacher, but I feel I have enough to process on my own. Perhaps at some point, the need for a teacher will again present itself. I certainly remain open to that possibility. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Myself From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 3:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness  Okay.  Tell me what you learn without a teacher. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: so you would always have people tied to someone else for their spiritual evolution? From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 12:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: snip As I said also in the Bible there is a lot of junk, but people gain a lot of solace and even genuine higher states of awareness from the study thereof. It is because we have all we need inside - àthe day of the guru is over, but all of them are hanging on cuz they don't know how else they will eat if people don't donate or buy their seminars etc. Good to know. àWhen did this happen? àShould we throw out all our books? àAnd if there is a central agency for Guru's, àhave you let them know this? Otherwise you may have to go around individually to each.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness
Just to convince you this isn't BS - I've studied with Sri Archie-ji for a few years now, 2.6 to be precise. He materialized *the lunch lady* avatar for me. I was fortunate to find out about His Holiness from Sri Shimmy Sham Slim Slam out of Orlando, Florida, and HE is the real deal. Omm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: As a fellow forum member, and I hope, a friend, Steve, I think you may find what you are looking for, here, should you feel the need to seek another teacher - Jai Guru Dev: http://www.mcphee.com/shop/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: Okay, so you learn about yourself without a teacher. Well, of course we all do from the time we are born. But, if you do not see the role of a teacher to guide us in most every endeavour from learning to talk then that's great. For me, most things I have learned have been from a teacher, and it was a teacher who gave my spiritual impulses shape and direction. It is true, that now, I do not follow a teacher, but I feel I have enough to process on my own. Perhaps at some point, the need for a teacher will again present itself. I certainly remain open to that possibility. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Myself From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 3:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness  Okay.  Tell me what you learn without a teacher. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: so you would always have people tied to someone else for their spiritual evolution? From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 12:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: snip As I said also in the Bible there is a lot of junk, but people gain a lot of solace and even genuine higher states of awareness from the study thereof. It is because we have all we need inside - àthe day of the guru is over, but all of them are hanging on cuz they don't know how else they will eat if people don't donate or buy their seminars etc. Good to know. àWhen did this happen? àShould we throw out all our books? àAnd if there is a central agency for Guru's, àhave you let them know this? Otherwise you may have to go around individually to each.
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And I confess Jim, what I am always on the look out for, is a Schmiegel bobble head. But it has to be just the right one. I did within the last couple years pick up a couple spring loaded stilettos and switch blades, and they have brought me enormous satisfaction even thought they just sit in a drawer. But they were on my check list. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: As a fellow forum member, and I hope, a friend, Steve, I think you may find what you are looking for, here, should you feel the need to seek another teacher - Jai Guru Dev: http://www.mcphee.com/shop/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: Okay, so you learn about yourself without a teacher. Well, of course we all do from the time we are born. But, if you do not see the role of a teacher to guide us in most every endeavour from learning to talk then that's great. For me, most things I have learned have been from a teacher, and it was a teacher who gave my spiritual impulses shape and direction. It is true, that now, I do not follow a teacher, but I feel I have enough to process on my own. Perhaps at some point, the need for a teacher will again present itself. I certainly remain open to that possibility. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Myself From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 3:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness  Okay.  Tell me what you learn without a teacher. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: so you would always have people tied to someone else for their spiritual evolution? From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 12:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: snip As I said also in the Bible there is a lot of junk, but people gain a lot of solace and even genuine higher states of awareness from the study thereof. It is because we have all we need inside - àthe day of the guru is over, but all of them are hanging on cuz they don't know how else they will eat if people don't donate or buy their seminars etc. Good to know. àWhen did this happen? àShould we throw out all our books? àAnd if there is a central agency for Guru's, àhave you let them know this? Otherwise you may have to go around individually to each.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness
Your Celestial Perception blows me away! Awesome!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: Yes Jim ditto on all counts. I have always gotten immense benefit from this as well. http://www.thingsyouneverknew.com/?code=googlejsbWT.srch=1gclid=CLfV49LgmLUCFcWPPAodHDQAUg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: As a fellow forum member, and I hope, a friend, Steve, I think you may find what you are looking for, here, should you feel the need to seek another teacher - Jai Guru Dev: http://www.mcphee.com/shop/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: Okay, so you learn about yourself without a teacher. Well, of course we all do from the time we are born. But, if you do not see the role of a teacher to guide us in most every endeavour from learning to talk then that's great. For me, most things I have learned have been from a teacher, and it was a teacher who gave my spiritual impulses shape and direction. It is true, that now, I do not follow a teacher, but I feel I have enough to process on my own. Perhaps at some point, the need for a teacher will again present itself. I certainly remain open to that possibility. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Myself From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 3:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness  Okay.  Tell me what you learn without a teacher. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: so you would always have people tied to someone else for their spiritual evolution? From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 12:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: snip As I said also in the Bible there is a lot of junk, but people gain a lot of solace and even genuine higher states of awareness from the study thereof. It is because we have all we need inside - àthe day of the guru is over, but all of them are hanging on cuz they don't know how else they will eat if people don't donate or buy their seminars etc. Good to know. àWhen did this happen? àShould we throw out all our books? àAnd if there is a central agency for Guru's, àhave you let them know this? Otherwise you may have to go around individually to each.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness
I'll keep a lookout - those knives sound cool, too - Have you handled a balisong, or butterfly, knife before? I used to be quite fast with it as a kid. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: And I confess Jim, what I am always on the look out for, is a Schmiegel bobble head. But it has to be just the right one. I did within the last couple years pick up a couple spring loaded stilettos and switch blades, and they have brought me enormous satisfaction even thought they just sit in a drawer. But they were on my check list. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: As a fellow forum member, and I hope, a friend, Steve, I think you may find what you are looking for, here, should you feel the need to seek another teacher - Jai Guru Dev: http://www.mcphee.com/shop/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: Okay, so you learn about yourself without a teacher. Well, of course we all do from the time we are born. But, if you do not see the role of a teacher to guide us in most every endeavour from learning to talk then that's great. For me, most things I have learned have been from a teacher, and it was a teacher who gave my spiritual impulses shape and direction. It is true, that now, I do not follow a teacher, but I feel I have enough to process on my own. Perhaps at some point, the need for a teacher will again present itself. I certainly remain open to that possibility. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Myself From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 3:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness  Okay.  Tell me what you learn without a teacher. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: so you would always have people tied to someone else for their spiritual evolution? From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 12:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: snip As I said also in the Bible there is a lot of junk, but people gain a lot of solace and even genuine higher states of awareness from the study thereof. It is because we have all we need inside - àthe day of the guru is over, but all of them are hanging on cuz they don't know how else they will eat if people don't donate or buy their seminars etc. Good to know. àWhen did this happen? àShould we throw out all our books? àAnd if there is a central agency for Guru's, àhave you let them know this? Otherwise you may have to go around individually to each.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: I'll keep a lookout - those knives sound cool, too - Have you handled a balisong, or butterfly, knife before? I used to be quite fast with it as a kid. Pretty much just switch blades and stilletos. Of course, one of my big accomplishments as a dad was making a carbide pellet blow torch out of a baby food jar, and pen partsto show my sons. I just had to create that one from my childhood. And growing up it was pretty much standard procedure to take M80s and cherry bombs, and see what we could blow up in the creek. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: And I confess Jim, what I am always on the look out for, is a Schmiegel bobble head. But it has to be just the right one. I did within the last couple years pick up a couple spring loaded stilettos and switch blades, and they have brought me enormous satisfaction even thought they just sit in a drawer. But they were on my check list. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: As a fellow forum member, and I hope, a friend, Steve, I think you may find what you are looking for, here, should you feel the need to seek another teacher - Jai Guru Dev: http://www.mcphee.com/shop/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: Okay, so you learn about yourself without a teacher. Well, of course we all do from the time we are born. But, if you do not see the role of a teacher to guide us in most every endeavour from learning to talk then that's great. For me, most things I have learned have been from a teacher, and it was a teacher who gave my spiritual impulses shape and direction. It is true, that now, I do not follow a teacher, but I feel I have enough to process on my own. Perhaps at some point, the need for a teacher will again present itself. I certainly remain open to that possibility. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Myself From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 3:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness  Okay.  Tell me what you learn without a teacher. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: so you would always have people tied to someone else for their spiritual evolution? From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 12:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: snip As I said also in the Bible there is a lot of junk, but people gain a lot of solace and even genuine higher states of awareness from the study thereof. It is because we have all we need inside - àthe day of the guru is over, but all of them are hanging on cuz they don't know how else they will eat if people don't donate or buy their seminars etc. Good to know. àWhen did this happen? àShould we throw out all our books? àAnd if there is a central agency for Guru's, àhave you let them know this? Otherwise you may have to go around individually to each.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness
I didn't have easy access to M80s and cherry bombs, though mostly spent time battling the kids next door (like Faisal, the Egyptian Ambassador's kid), with dirt clods, rocks, spears, bow and arrow, and bb guns, over the years. No one ever got badly hurt - it was great fun. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: I'll keep a lookout - those knives sound cool, too - Have you handled a balisong, or butterfly, knife before? I used to be quite fast with it as a kid. Pretty much just switch blades and stilletos. Of course, one of my big accomplishments as a dad was making a carbide pellet blow torch out of a baby food jar, and pen partsto show my sons. I just had to create that one from my childhood. And growing up it was pretty much standard procedure to take M80s and cherry bombs, and see what we could blow up in the creek. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: And I confess Jim, what I am always on the look out for, is a Schmiegel bobble head. But it has to be just the right one. I did within the last couple years pick up a couple spring loaded stilettos and switch blades, and they have brought me enormous satisfaction even thought they just sit in a drawer. But they were on my check list. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: As a fellow forum member, and I hope, a friend, Steve, I think you may find what you are looking for, here, should you feel the need to seek another teacher - Jai Guru Dev: http://www.mcphee.com/shop/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 wrote: Okay, so you learn about yourself without a teacher. Well, of course we all do from the time we are born. But, if you do not see the role of a teacher to guide us in most every endeavour from learning to talk then that's great. For me, most things I have learned have been from a teacher, and it was a teacher who gave my spiritual impulses shape and direction. It is true, that now, I do not follow a teacher, but I feel I have enough to process on my own. Perhaps at some point, the need for a teacher will again present itself. I certainly remain open to that possibility. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Myself From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 3:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness  Okay.  Tell me what you learn without a teacher. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: so you would always have people tied to someone else for their spiritual evolution? From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 12:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awakened Awareness à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: snip As I said also in the Bible there is a lot of junk, but people gain a lot of solace and even genuine higher states of awareness from the study thereof. It is because we have all we need inside - àthe day of the guru is over, but all of them are hanging on cuz they don't know how else they will eat if people don't donate or buy their seminars etc. Good to know. àWhen did this happen? àShould we throw out all our books? àAnd if there is a central agency for Guru's, àhave you let them know this? Otherwise you may have to go around individually to each.
