Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Before TM

2008-02-01 Thread Peter

--- matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ---MMY was into Scientology before establishing TM,
 and had numerous 
 secret meetings with L. Ron Hubbard in various
 places such as Tibet, 
 Calcutta, and even China:

Right! And your source for this tidbit besides the
akashic records? And anyone who believes anything L
Ron Stupid says is, is, is, a scientologist!


  

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Before TM

2008-02-01 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
  
   --- matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote:
   
---MMY was into Scientology before establishing TM,
and had numerous 
secret meetings with L. Ron Hubbard in various
places such as Tibet, 
Calcutta, and even China:
   
   Right! And your source for this tidbit besides the
   akashic records? And anyone who believes anything L
   Ron Stupid says is, is, is, a scientologist!
  
  In Squaw Valley 1968, Maharishi said very
  explicitly that he had never met L. Ron
  Hubbard. What little he knew about him, and
  any positive impressions he might have had
  about Hubbard, came from a woman who was an 
  early student of Maharishi's who had been
  Hubbard's personal secretary for many years.
 
 
 Rubbish, they met personally on Hubbards yacht.
 
 The techniques of Ron Hubbard will have a greater effect on history 
 than psychoterapy. - Maharishi
 This is not a direct quote but is recorded several places.


Please show those places.






RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Before TM

2008-02-01 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Peter
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:22 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Before TM

 

--- matrixmonitor HYPERLINK
mailto:matrixmonitor%40yahoo.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ---MMY was into Scientology before establishing TM,
 and had numerous 
 secret meetings with L. Ron Hubbard in various
 places such as Tibet, 
 Calcutta, and even China:

Right! And your source for this tidbit besides the
akashic records? And anyone who believes anything L
Ron Stupid says is, is, is, a scientologist!

I don’t know about secret meetings, but I was there in Belgium when MMY said
that if L. Ron Hubbard had been running the TM movement, it’s goals would
have been accomplished long ago. He said this at the end of a TTC I was
teaching, during the meeting held at the end of every TTC where other
systems are discussed and dismissed as inferior to TM.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Before TM

2008-02-01 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
 
  --- matrixmonitor matrixmonitor@ wrote:
  
   ---MMY was into Scientology before establishing TM,
   and had numerous 
   secret meetings with L. Ron Hubbard in various
   places such as Tibet, 
   Calcutta, and even China:
  
  Right! And your source for this tidbit besides the
  akashic records? And anyone who believes anything L
  Ron Stupid says is, is, is, a scientologist!
 
 In Squaw Valley 1968, Maharishi said very
 explicitly that he had never met L. Ron
 Hubbard. What little he knew about him, and
 any positive impressions he might have had
 about Hubbard, came from a woman who was an 
 early student of Maharishi's who had been
 Hubbard's personal secretary for many years.


Rubbish, they met personally on Hubbards yacht.

The techniques of Ron Hubbard will have a greater effect on history 
than psychoterapy. - Maharishi
This is not a direct quote but is recorded several places.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Before TM

2008-02-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  ---MMY was into Scientology before establishing TM,
  and had numerous 
  secret meetings with L. Ron Hubbard in various
  places such as Tibet, 
  Calcutta, and even China:
 
 Right! And your source for this tidbit besides the
 akashic records? And anyone who believes anything L
 Ron Stupid says is, is, is, a scientologist!

In Squaw Valley 1968, Maharishi said very
explicitly that he had never met L. Ron
Hubbard. What little he knew about him, and
any positive impressions he might have had
about Hubbard, came from a woman who was an 
early student of Maharishi's who had been
Hubbard's personal secretary for many years.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Before TM

2008-02-01 Thread lurkernomore20002000

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip
. ... Old Mayo was also well versed in China's ancient wisdom that
had been handed down from generation to generation. Ron passed many
evenings in the company of such wise men, eagerly absorbing their  words
...

Matrix, you bring up a very  important point, and one that has been
overlooked by most historians.  It is the issue of Old Mayo,  and the
role Old Mayo  played in one of the most regressive times in Chinese
history.  From the time of Marco Polo China was known for it's fine
silks, and subtle and captivating art.  And then along came Old Mayo. 
Tell me, tell me earnestly, what culture would not be adversely affected
by Old Mayo.  It is a blight that cannot be ignored, or easily
overcome.  It is no wonder that only now is China finally recovering
from the hangover caused by Old Mayo

Lord, we thank you, that our brothers and sisters in the Orient no
longer must wear the yoke of oppression brought on by Old Mayo.  And
Lord please keep this affliction of  Old Mayo away from your other
children.  Thank you Lord.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Before TM

2008-02-01 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Feb 1, 2008, at 6:07 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:

Matrix, you bring up a very  important point, and one that has been  
overlooked by most historians.  It is the issue of Old Mayo,  and  
the role Old Mayo  played in one of the most regressive times in  
Chinese history.  From the time of Marco Polo China was known for  
it's fine silks, and subtle and captivating art.  And then along  
came Old Mayo.  Tell me, tell me earnestly, what culture would  
not be adversely affected by Old Mayo.


Ours sure has been.  Got a lot more calories than mustard, and it  
doesn't even taste good.


  It is a blight that cannot be ignored, or easily overcome.  It is  
no wonder that only now is China finally recovering from the  
hangover caused by Old Mayo


Sal




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Before TM

2008-02-01 Thread Angela Mailander
Yes you can still see the effects of that slaughter which removed intelligence 
from the gene pool.  We do our dumbing down differently over here. 


- Original Message 
From: lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2008 6:07:45 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Before TM

matrixmonitor@ ... wrote:
snip
. ... Old Mayo was also well versed in China's ancient wisdom that 
had been handed down from generation to generation. Ron passed many evenings in 
the company of such wise men, eagerly absorbing their  words ...
Matrix, you bring up a very  important point, and one that has been overlooked 
by most historians.  It is the issue of Old Mayo,  and the role Old Mayo  
played in one of the most regressive times in Chinese history.  From the time 
of Marco Polo China was known for it's fine silks, and subtle and captivating 
art.  And then along came Old Mayo.  Tell me, tell me earnestly, what culture 
would not be adversely affected by Old Mayo.  It is a blight that cannot be 
ignored, or easily overcome.  It is no wonder that only now is China finally 
recovering from the hangover caused by Old Mayo
Lord, we thank you, that our brothers and sisters in the Orient no longer must 
wear the yoke of oppression brought on by Old Mayo.  And Lord please keep 
this affliction of  Old Mayo away from your other children.  Thank you Lord.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Before TM

2008-02-01 Thread tertonzeno
--By the same token, from a Chinese POV, Tibet was in the grip of 
rulership by religious feudal lords who kept the populace in bondage 
to a midieval way of life.


- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes you can still see the effects of that slaughter which removed 
intelligence from the gene pool.  We do our dumbing down differently 
over here. 
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Friday, February 1, 2008 6:07:45 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Before TM
 
 matrixmonitor@ ... wrote:
 snip
 . ... Old Mayo was also well versed in China's ancient wisdom that 
 had been handed down from generation to generation. Ron passed many 
evenings in the company of such wise men, eagerly absorbing their  
words ...
 Matrix, you bring up a very  important point, and one that has been 
overlooked by most historians.  It is the issue of Old Mayo,  and 
the role Old Mayo  played in one of the most regressive times in 
Chinese history.  From the time of Marco Polo China was known for 
it's fine silks, and subtle and captivating art.  And then along 
came Old Mayo.  Tell me, tell me earnestly, what culture would not 
be adversely affected by Old Mayo.  It is a blight that cannot be 
ignored, or easily overcome.  It is no wonder that only now is China 
finally recovering from the hangover caused by Old Mayo
 Lord, we thank you, that our brothers and sisters in the Orient no 
longer must wear the yoke of oppression brought on by Old Mayo.  
And Lord please keep this affliction of  Old Mayo away from your 
other children.  Thank you Lord.
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Before TM

2008-01-31 Thread matrixmonitor
---MMY was into Scientology before establishing TM, and had numerous 
secret meetings with L. Ron Hubbard in various places such as Tibet, 
Calcutta, and even China:

Hubbard sometimes displayed attitudes that were at odds with the 
picture his followers try to present of him. For instance, during his 
visit to China at the age of seventeen, he made diary entries such 
as: As a Chinaman can not live up to a thing, he always drags it 
down.[11] and They smell of all the baths they didnt [sic] take. The 
trouble with China is, there are too many chinks here.[11][21] 
Similarly, Hubbard described the Tibetan Buddhist temples as miserably 
cold and very shabby . . . The people worshiping have voices like bull-
frogs and beat a drum and play a brass horn to accompany their singing 
(?)[11] and called them very odd and heathenish.[22] He also wrote 
about colored people in Scientology: Fundamentals of Thought : Unlike 
the yellow and brown people, the white does not usually believe he can 
get attention from matter or objects. The yellow and brown believe for 
the most part ... that rocks, trees, walls, etc., can give them 
attention[23] and ...so we see the African tribesman, with his 
complete contempt for the truth, and his emphasis on brutality and 
savagery...[24] In the 2007 edition of the book, primitive is 
substituted for African in the passage just mentioned.

While such attitudes might not be especially surprising for a white 
teenager born in 1911, they are vastly at odds with the stories he 
would later tell and his followers would repeat:

Among other wonders, Ron told of watching monks meditate for weeks on 
end, contemplating higher truths ... he took advantage of this unique 
opportunity to study Far Eastern culture. ... he befriended and 
learned ... a thoroughly insightful Beijing magician who represented 
the last of the line of Chinese magicians from the court of Kublai 
Khan. ... Old Mayo was also well versed in China's ancient wisdom that 
had been handed down from generation to generation. Ron passed many 
evenings in the company of such wise men, eagerly absorbing their 
words ... he closely examined the surrounding culture. In addition to 
the local Tartar tribes, he spent time with nomadic bandits originally 
from Mongolia ... [t]hese sojourns in Asia and the Pacific islands had 
a profound effect, giving Ron a subjective understanding of Eastern 
philosophy ... the world itself was his classroom, and he studied in it 
voraciously, recording what he saw and learned in his ever-present 
diaries, which he carefully preserved for future reference.[25][26] 


 Does anyone have a brief description and/or link of
 MMY's experience with yoga/meditation before
 establishing TM?  A bit more than having spent two
 years in seclusion or as a longtime secretary to a
 leading Hindu sage.  What other journeys and
 explorations did he have before establishing TM?
 
 
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