[FairfieldLife] Re: BrahMahrishi's SatGuru Status
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: It is true he gave praise to Guru Dev early on, Anybody else have the impression that Maharishi stopped, or even reduced, his praise of Guru Dev at any point? In no way whatsoever. Maharishi dedicated everything he did to Guru Dev from day 1 untill the end. MJ has fallen for the Turqs: Maharishi good in the beginning bad in the end bait which is part of the Buddhist in Holland new strategy. No doubt more fools will take this sinkhooker not realizing it's another desperate attempt from the Turq to make Maharishi look smaller. The Turq HAS to try to step up his attacks now that everyone sees that the TMO is not the failure he has preached for years and years. Were pictures of Guru Dev replaced by pictures of Maharishi at any TM facility, does anyone know? It's nonsense, as much of what MJ writes.
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Wrong as usual Nappy - I think Maha was a crook for the get go regardless of what Barry says From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 5:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BrahMahrishi's SatGuru Status --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: It is true he gave praise to Guru Dev early on, Anybody else have the impression that Maharishi stopped, or even reduced, his praise of Guru Dev at any point? In no way whatsoever. Maharishi dedicated everything he did to Guru Dev from day 1 untill the end. MJ has fallen for the Turqs: Maharishi good in the beginning bad in the end bait which is part of the Buddhist in Holland new strategy. No doubt more fools will take this sinkhooker not realizing it's another desperate attempt from the Turq to make Maharishi look smaller. The Turq HAS to try to step up his attacks now that everyone sees that the TMO is not the failure he has preached for years and years. Were pictures of Guru Dev replaced by pictures of Maharishi at any TM facility, does anyone know? It's nonsense, as much of what MJ writes.
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correction - crook FROM the get go From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: BrahMahrishi's SatGuru Status Wrong as usual Nappy - I think Maha was a crook for the get go regardless of what Barry says From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 5:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BrahMahrishi's SatGuru Status --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: It is true he gave praise to Guru Dev early on, Anybody else have the impression that Maharishi stopped, or even reduced, his praise of Guru Dev at any point? In no way whatsoever. Maharishi dedicated everything he did to Guru Dev from day 1 untill the end. MJ has fallen for the Turqs: Maharishi good in the beginning bad in the end bait which is part of the Buddhist in Holland new strategy. No doubt more fools will take this sinkhooker not realizing it's another desperate attempt from the Turq to make Maharishi look smaller. The Turq HAS to try to step up his attacks now that everyone sees that the TMO is not the failure he has preached for years and years. Were pictures of Guru Dev replaced by pictures of Maharishi at any TM facility, does anyone know? It's nonsense, as much of what MJ writes.
[FairfieldLife] Re: BrahMahrishi's SatGuru Status
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: correction - crook FROM the get go Why not cook ? That would make as much sense as any of the other gibberish you post :-)
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He left cooking the books to underlings From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 11:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BrahMahrishi's SatGuru Status --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: correction - crook FROM the get go Why not cook ? That would make as much sense as any of the other gibberish you post :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: BrahMahrishi's SatGuru Status
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: (snip) So Vishwamitra clearly deserved to be a Rishi based upon his efforts, his struggles, his battles to overcome his samskaras whereas Maharishi was a fraud. Ravi dearest, just bear in mind that you aren't exactly getting an objective view of Maharishi from the folks who post here. He certainly wasn't perfect, but fraud and some of the other terms being thrown around may be a little too strong.
[FairfieldLife] Re: BrahMahrishi's SatGuru Status
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: It is true he gave praise to Guru Dev early on, but by the time he dropped his mortal coil, it was Maharishi's picture that adorned every corner and wall of the TMO - that was by his design in my opinion. Did you channel this or something? MJ, do you think you might be prone to projecting ideas arising from unresolved issues you have with the TMO onto most everything you observe in the TMO?
[FairfieldLife] Re: BrahMahrishi's SatGuru Status
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: It is true he gave praise to Guru Dev early on, but by the time he dropped his mortal coil, it was Maharishi's picture that adorned every corner and wall of the TMO - that was by his design in my opinion. Anybody else have the impression that Maharishi stopped, or even reduced, his praise of Guru Dev at any point? Were pictures of Guru Dev replaced by pictures of Maharishi at any TM facility, does anyone know?
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On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 5:58 PM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: (snip) So Vishwamitra clearly deserved to be a Rishi based upon his efforts, his struggles, his battles to overcome his samskaras whereas Maharishi was a fraud. Ravi dearest, just bear in mind that you aren't exactly getting an objective view of Maharishi from the folks who post here. He certainly wasn't perfect, but fraud and some of the other terms being thrown around may be a little too strong. Certainly a little too strong dear Judy, just going for the shock value of it. I'm sure MMY was innocent in his quest for transforming the world - certainly not when he ended. Heck - Amma was quite innocent as she ran in a mystically deceived state to pose as Krishna which subsequently started her enterprise. MJ does seem to obsessively focus on all TM ills but I would take him any day compared to Srijau, Buck, Feste. I pretty much read all MJ's posts but he doesn't across as vindictive or dishonest like Barry, Vaj and others so very hard to disregard him in spite of his relentless anti-TM posts - he comes across as pretty innocent, guileless in his criticisms.
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I rarely channel anymore. As to projecting, my conclusion seems like common sense to me - as it seems like common sense to others to continue to make excuses or come up with reasons that behavior that one would not accept from others is or was acceptable from the Big Marshy Cheese. From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 8:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BrahMahrishi's SatGuru Status --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: It is true he gave praise to Guru Dev early on, but by the time he dropped his mortal coil, it was Maharishi's picture that adorned every corner and wall of the TMO - that was by his design in my opinion. Did you channel this or something? MJ, do you think you might be prone to projecting ideas arising from unresolved issues you have with the TMO onto most everything you observe in the TMO?
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I didn't say he ever stopped praising Guru Dev - I said that he wanted to be the Big Cheese himself and he allowed or directed the praise to be heaped upon himself. I mean what more proof do you need than to look at any TM website - do you see any Guru Dev pics there? How many compared to the number of pics of Maha? Look at the pictures of various Movement facilities - the interior of the buildings have Maha pics all over the place - where are the GD pics? Plus how many more Maharishi this-es and thats do you need to see he wanted to be remembered? To be praised? Maharishi Ayurveda - Maharishi Jyotish - Maharishi Sthapatya Veda - Maharishi Vedic Centers - Maharishi Yagya - Maharishi Jyotish - Maharishi Yagya? It beats me how anyone, especially from India can revere a guy who was so arrogant as to say that he alone of all the sadhus, gurus and holy men of India, he alone had the enlightenment to be able to discern and bring forth the full value of natural law into things that have been taught for hundreds or thousands of years in India like jyotish and yagya!! He had to put his personal stamp on yagyas for God's sake? and you folks can't see that is blatant ego? From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 9:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BrahMahrishi's SatGuru Status --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: It is true he gave praise to Guru Dev early on, but by the time he dropped his mortal coil, it was Maharishi's picture that adorned every corner and wall of the TMO - that was by his design in my opinion. Anybody else have the impression that Maharishi stopped, or even reduced, his praise of Guru Dev at any point? Were pictures of Guru Dev replaced by pictures of Maharishi at any TM facility, does anyone know?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: BrahMahrishi's SatGuru Status
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 5:58 PM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: (snip) So Vishwamitra clearly deserved to be a Rishi based upon his efforts, his struggles, his battles to overcome his samskaras whereas Maharishi was a fraud. Ravi dearest, just bear in mind that you aren't exactly getting an objective view of Maharishi from the folks who post here. He certainly wasn't perfect, but fraud and some of the other terms being thrown around may be a little too strong. Certainly a little too strong dear Judy, just going for the shock value of it. I'm sure MMY was innocent in his quest for transforming the world - certainly not when he ended. Heck - Amma was quite innocent as she ran in a mystically deceived state to pose as Krishna which subsequently started her enterprise. MJ does seem to obsessively focus on all TM ills but I would take him any day compared to Srijau, Buck, Feste. I pretty much read all MJ's posts but he doesn't across as vindictive or dishonest like Barry, Vaj and others so very hard to disregard him in spite of his relentless anti-TM posts - he comes across as pretty innocent, guileless in his criticisms. Yet even though MJ doesn't come across as dishonest or vindictive like Barry or Vaj - he definitely doesn't capture all the complexities, subtleties - they don't have the strength of character of someone like Robin. But then Robin is Robin, one of a kind, genius and his posts on MMY are like the high water mark. MJ's posts do come across as trivial, frivolous, superficial - something akin to a child complaining about toys being taken away by their parents - you would empathize with a child rather than explain why the toys might have been taken away. So something childish, undeveloped, weak about his posts but he is lovable :-)
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Thanks Ravi - I can only speak about my experiences and from my belief - I don't know Robin and can only go by what others say - no one on FFL has been shy about making comments about him and of course he had more experiences with Maha than I or possibly than a lot of others here - I hope Robin will forgive me speaking of him without being asked - I guess when you go through an experience you have to make the best of it. I do realize as I have said in other posts that I believe Maharishi had great energy (meaning lots of it) one could say he was charismatic and that he like apparently Robin, Muktananda, Guru Mai, Fred Lentz, Chuck Anderson ( a course in miracles guy who started his own little kingdom called the Endeavor Academy in Wisconsin) and others had the ability to spark spiritual experiences in others - experiences that others then took the leap of faith with - the leap of faith where one believes the guru is enlightened. The worst thing you can do IMO because then you give the guy a free pass no matter what he does cuz he's enlightened and can do no wrong. It still amazes me that all one has to do these days is profess enlightenment or to be awakened to have a bunch of followers - I recently saw one such on BATGAP - someone I know from the past and had interactions with for a while - if they are awakened then I am a rabbit. I shall endeavor to make my posts here more erudite for your pleasure Ravi. From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: BrahMahrishi's SatGuru Status On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 5:58 PM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: (snip) So Vishwamitra clearly deserved to be a Rishi based upon his efforts, his struggles, his battles to overcome his samskaras whereas Maharishi was a fraud. Ravi dearest, just bear in mind that you aren't exactly getting an objective view of Maharishi from the folks who post here. He certainly wasn't perfect, but fraud and some of the other terms being thrown around may be a little too strong. Certainly a little too strong dear Judy, just going for the shock value of it. I'm sure MMY was innocent in his quest for transforming the world - certainly not when he ended. Heck - Amma was quite innocent as she ran in a mystically deceived state to pose as Krishna which subsequently started her enterprise. MJ does seem to obsessively focus on all TM ills but I would take him any day compared to Srijau, Buck, Feste. I pretty much read all MJ's posts but he doesn't across as vindictive or dishonest like Barry, Vaj and others so very hard to disregard him in spite of his relentless anti-TM posts - he comes across as pretty innocent, guileless in his criticisms. Yet even though MJ doesn't come across as dishonest or vindictive like Barry or Vaj - he definitely doesn't capture all the complexities, subtleties - they don't have the strength of character of someone like Robin. But then Robin is Robin, one of a kind, genius and his posts on MMY are like the high water mark. MJ's posts do come across as trivial, frivolous, superficial - something akin to a child complaining about toys being taken away by their parents - you would empathize with a child rather than explain why the toys might have been taken away. So something childish, undeveloped, weak about his posts but he is lovable :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: BrahMahrishi's SatGuru Status
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: I rarely channel anymore. As to projecting, my conclusion seems like common sense to me - as it seems like common sense to others to continue to make excuses or come up with reasons that behavior that one would not accept from others is or was acceptable from the Big Marshy Cheese. If you say so. Except that much of time you seem to ignore reality, choosing instead to believe what you wish were the case. This replacing pictures of Guru Dev with Maharishi being one example. Unless someone active in the TMO says otherwise, I would say this is a complete fabrication on your part skewed by you unceasing need to disparage the TMO. As is your need to cast anyone who disagrees with your conclusions as some kind of TB. But carry on my friend. This seems to nourish you.
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It's not a question of erudition MJ - it's about the the level of your emotional involvement, the strength of character. The reader doesn't get that from you - I would have wanted you to be more like a jilted lover but like I said you sound like a child who has his toys taken away. Where are the ups and downs, the good and the bad times - all the range of complex emotions, the journey, the hurts, the disappointments, the love, the attachment, the feelings of loss, despair - maturity, wisdom - you show nothing dude. It's too late now - 'cause you can't just make up shit now. So continue on your merry way MJ - like I said you may come across as childish and stunted but you are lovable and guileless. I love you baby. On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.comwrote: ** Thanks Ravi - I can only speak about my experiences and from my belief - I don't know Robin and can only go by what others say - no one on FFL has been shy about making comments about him and of course he had more experiences with Maha than I or possibly than a lot of others here - I hope Robin will forgive me speaking of him without being asked - I guess when you go through an experience you have to make the best of it. I do realize as I have said in other posts that I believe Maharishi had great energy (meaning lots of it) one could say he was charismatic and that he like apparently Robin, Muktananda, Guru Mai, Fred Lentz, Chuck Anderson ( a course in miracles guy who started his own little kingdom called the Endeavor Academy in Wisconsin) and others had the ability to spark spiritual experiences in others - experiences that others then took the leap of faith with - the leap of faith where one believes the guru is enlightened. The worst thing you can do IMO because then you give the guy a free pass no matter what he does cuz he's enlightened and can do no wrong. It still amazes me that all one has to do these days is profess enlightenment or to be awakened to have a bunch of followers - I recently saw one such on BATGAP - someone I know from the past and had interactions with for a while - if they are awakened then I am a rabbit. I shall endeavor to make my posts here more erudite for your pleasure Ravi. -- *From:* Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, February 1, 2013 9:45 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: BrahMahrishi's SatGuru Status On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.r...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 5:58 PM, authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: (snip) So Vishwamitra clearly deserved to be a Rishi based upon his efforts, his struggles, his battles to overcome his samskaras whereas Maharishi was a fraud. Ravi dearest, just bear in mind that you aren't exactly getting an objective view of Maharishi from the folks who post here. He certainly wasn't perfect, but fraud and some of the other terms being thrown around may be a little too strong. Certainly a little too strong dear Judy, just going for the shock value of it. I'm sure MMY was innocent in his quest for transforming the world - certainly not when he ended. Heck - Amma was quite innocent as she ran in a mystically deceived state to pose as Krishna which subsequently started her enterprise. MJ does seem to obsessively focus on all TM ills but I would take him any day compared to Srijau, Buck, Feste. I pretty much read all MJ's posts but he doesn't across as vindictive or dishonest like Barry, Vaj and others so very hard to disregard him in spite of his relentless anti-TM posts - he comes across as pretty innocent, guileless in his criticisms. Yet even though MJ doesn't come across as dishonest or vindictive like Barry or Vaj - he definitely doesn't capture all the complexities, subtleties - they don't have the strength of character of someone like Robin. But then Robin is Robin, one of a kind, genius and his posts on MMY are like the high water mark. MJ's posts do come across as trivial, frivolous, superficial - something akin to a child complaining about toys being taken away by their parents - you would empathize with a child rather than explain why the toys might have been taken away. So something childish, undeveloped, weak about his posts but he is lovable :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: BrahMahrishi's SatGuru Status
You know Mike, I think you could help yourself if you could stay on one line of reasoning. If you want to say that Maharishi had a big ego, fine. If you want to cite as evidence all programs to which he attached Maharishi, fine. I mean there may have been legal reasons to do so, but I am not going to argue the point. But, to me you come off as sort of stupid to suggest that there was some effort of M's part to diminish the role of Guru Dev. And to suggest that pictures of Guru Dev were replaced by pictures of M, I think is some myth you have created in your mind. In my case, I think the only picture I had of Guru Dev was my Puja picture. All the other pictures I had in my room were those of Maharishi. I don't think you understand the relationship between Maharishi and Guru Dev. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: I didn't say he ever stopped praising Guru Dev - I said that he wanted to be the Big Cheese himself and he allowed or directed the praise to be heaped upon himself. I mean what more proof do you need than to look at any TM website - do you see any Guru Dev pics there? How many compared to the number of pics of Maha? Look at the pictures of various Movement facilities - the interior of the buildings have Maha pics all over the place - where are the GD pics? Plus how many more Maharishi this-es and thats do you need to see he wanted to be remembered? To be praised? Maharishi Ayurveda - Maharishi Jyotish - Maharishi Sthapatya Veda - Maharishi Vedic Centers - Maharishi Yagya - Maharishi Jyotish - Maharishi Yagya? It beats me how anyone, especially from India can revere a guy who was so arrogant as to say that he alone of all the sadhus, gurus and holy men of India, he alone had the enlightenment to be able to discern and bring forth the full value of natural law into things that have been taught for hundreds or thousands of years in India like jyotish and yagya!! He had to put his personal stamp on yagyas for God's sake? and you folks can't see that is blatant ego? From: authfriend To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 9:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: BrahMahrishi's SatGuru Status  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: It is true he gave praise to Guru Dev early on, but by the time he dropped his mortal coil, it was Maharishi's picture that adorned every corner and wall of the TMO - that was by his design in my opinion. Anybody else have the impression that Maharishi stopped, or even reduced, his praise of Guru Dev at any point? Were pictures of Guru Dev replaced by pictures of Maharishi at any TM facility, does anyone know?
[FairfieldLife] Re: BrahMahrishi's SatGuru Status
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: snip It still amazes me that all one has to do these days is profess enlightenment or to be awakened to have a bunch of followers - I recently saw one such on BATGAP - someone I know from the past and had interactions with for a while - if they are awakened then I am a rabbit. You know Mike, the thought has crossed my mind, that you made a pass in this direction. One that fell flat, and that this may be a reason for your animosity towards all things TMO. It sounds like maybe you had a bit too much integrity to push it too far. But nonetheless, it pisses you off (to no end) to see someone get away with what (you feel, at least) is fake enlightenment, or at least who promotes a fake program of enlightenment. (or so you feel)
[FairfieldLife] Re: BrahMahrishi's SatGuru Status
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: I didn't say he ever stopped praising Guru Dev You said he praised Guru Dev early on, which implies that he stopped praising him at some point later on. - I said that he wanted to be the Big Cheese himself and he allowed or directed the praise to be heaped upon himself. Michael, Maharishi *was* the Big Cheese himself. Guru Dev was, you know, like, dead. What I want to know is whether there's any evidence that Maharishi deliberately shifted the balance of devotion from Guru Dev to himself from what it was to start with. I don't know, I'm asking. I mean what more proof do you need than to look at any TM website - do you see any Guru Dev pics there? How many compared to the number of pics of Maha? Look at the pictures of various Movement facilities - the interior of the buildings have Maha pics all over the place - where are the GD pics? I'm not gonna do a survey, but again, Michael, Maharishi founded the TMO and ran it until he died; all the teaching came from him. I don't see anything sinister in the fact that there are more pictures of him on TMO Websites and in TMO facilities than there are of Guru Dev. Plus how many more Maharishi this-es and thats do you need to see he wanted to be remembered? To be praised? Maharishi Ayurveda - Maharishi Jyotish - Maharishi Sthapatya Veda - Maharishi Vedic Centers - Maharishi Yagya - Maharishi Jyotish - Maharishi Yagya? His name and picture are a branding device, and a good one; it makes the products and services instantly recognizable in the marketplace. What would you have used instead? It beats me how anyone, especially from India can revere a guy who was so arrogant as to say that he alone of all the sadhus, gurus and holy men of India, he alone had the enlightenment to be able to discern and bring forth the full value of natural law into things that have been taught for hundreds or thousands of years in India like jyotish and yagya!! He had to put his personal stamp on yagyas for God's sake? Would you say the same about the TM technique? If you don't think TM is unique among currently available techniques, you could make a case. But all the other approaches, at least theoretically, are based on regular, effortless transcending via TM--either in the development or the execution, or both--so in that sense, if TM is unique, they're unique too. The fact that these approaches have been around for thousands of years is exactly why a distinctive branding device is necessary, to distinguish the purportedly unique TMO products from the earlier versions. and you folks can't see that is blatant ego? I don't think anyone would deny that Maharishi had a big ego. But you'd just about *have* to have a big ego to accomplish what he did, even if it wasn't ultimately successful. One could even make a case that Maharishi wanted there to be no doubt that Guru Dev wasn't responsible for any of it in order to protect Guru Dev's memory from any criticism that was going to be directed at what he, Maharishi, had done. Michael, I just think you're going overboard. It's one thing to cite the crappy stuff he did and criticize it as such; it's quite another to attribute it to the basest possible motivations. And it's something else again to portray just about everything he did as crappy without considering other reasonable explanations. We all know (or at least almost all of us do) that Maharishi was flawed as a human being; we're all disappointed that his promises haven't been fulfilled. But that doesn't automatically equate to his being a cynical con man. There's a lot of territory between that and an innocent but deluded would-be messiah, and I think it makes a lot more sense to see him as falling somewhere in between.
