[FairfieldLife] Re: Desire for samaadhi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 2, 2006, at 6:05 PM, sparaig wrote: Unless there's some strong grammarical reason to assume that desire refers to desire for samadhi, even the desire translation makes sense to me. Desires hold you back according to some traditions, so the closer you are to samadhi, the stronger your desires become in order TO HOLD YOU BACK. The implied idea here is there are 9 levels of intensity/momentum and nines styles of approach -- all of increasing intensity. Samvega has a lot to do with vairagya (renounced from desire) and ichchha - pure will power. That might be. However, how do you know you aren't fooling yourself? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Desire for samaadhi?
On Jan 3, 2006, at 10:06 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 2, 2006, at 6:05 PM, sparaig wrote: Unless there's some strong grammarical reason to assume that "desire" refers to desire for samadhi, even the "desire" translation makes sense to me. Desires hold you back according to some traditions, so the closer you are to samadhi, the stronger your desires become in order TO HOLD YOU BACK. The implied idea here is there are 9 levels of intensity/momentum and nines styles of approach -- all of increasing intensity. Samvega has a lot to do with vairagya (renounced from desire) and ichchha - pure will power. That might be. However, how do you know you aren't fooling yourself? "I" new "nothing". It worked. But it did not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desire for samaadhi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 3, 2006, at 10:06 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 2, 2006, at 6:05 PM, sparaig wrote: Unless there's some strong grammarical reason to assume that desire refers to desire for samadhi, even the desire translation makes sense to me. Desires hold you back according to some traditions, so the closer you are to samadhi, the stronger your desires become in order TO HOLD YOU BACK. The implied idea here is there are 9 levels of intensity/momentum and nines styles of approach -- all of increasing intensity. Samvega has a lot to do with vairagya (renounced from desire) and ichchha - pure will power. That might be. However, how do you know you aren't fooling yourself? I new nothing. It worked. But it did not. Bah, whatever. [waves hand] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desire for samaadhi?
--- cardemaister wrote: Taimni's translation: It (samaadhi) is nearest to those whose desire (for samaadhi) is intensely strong. sparaig wrote: When samadhi is close, unstressing is strong. Sparaig's translation makes more sense to me. Going back to my empirical view of things, I've noticed a lot more people agitated because of samaadhi than liberated because of their desire for liberation. I know some people make the case that nature is set up to respond to our desires, but I've had so many powerful, long-held desires go unfulfilled that I have trouble embracing that worldview. There's too much disproving data. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desire for samaadhi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- cardemaister wrote: Taimni's translation: It (samaadhi) is nearest to those whose desire (for samaadhi) is intensely strong. sparaig wrote: When samadhi is close, unstressing is strong. Sparaig's translation makes more sense to me. Going back to my empirical view of things, I've noticed a lot more people agitated because of samaadhi than liberated because of their desire for liberation. I believe most translations of YS are based on some authoritative commentaries, e.g. those of Krishna Dvaipaayana aka Vyaasa (=Baadaraayana?), and Bhojadeva. At first I thought Sparaig's translation doesn't make that much sense, but then I realized there might be something worthwhile in it, especially when the primary meaning of 'vega' (sam-VEGAanaam) is 'jerk', etc. I know some people make the case that nature is set up to respond to our desires, but I've had so many powerful, long-held desires go unfulfilled that I have trouble embracing that worldview. There's too much disproving data. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desire for samaadhi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- cardemaister wrote: Taimni's translation: It (samaadhi) is nearest to those whose desire (for samaadhi) is intensely strong. sparaig wrote: When samadhi is close, unstressing is strong. Sparaig's translation makes more sense to me. Going back to my empirical view of things, I've noticed a lot more people agitated because of samaadhi than liberated because of their desire for liberation. I know some people make the case that nature is set up to respond to our desires, but I've had so many powerful, long-held desires go unfulfilled that I have trouble embracing that worldview. There's too much disproving data. Otherwise we're left with the claimthat a strong desire for no desire leads to a state of no desire... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desire for samaadhi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- cardemaister wrote: Taimni's translation: It (samaadhi) is nearest to those whose desire (for samaadhi) is intensely strong. sparaig wrote: When samadhi is close, unstressing is strong. Sparaig's translation makes more sense to me. Going back to my empirical view of things, I've noticed a lot more people agitated because of samaadhi than liberated because of their desire for liberation. I believe most translations of YS are based on some authoritative commentaries, e.g. those of Krishna Dvaipaayana aka Vyaasa (=Baadaraayana?), and Bhojadeva. At first I thought Sparaig's translation doesn't make that much sense, but then I realized there might be something worthwhile in it, especially when the primary meaning of 'vega' (sam-VEGAanaam) is 'jerk', etc. Unless there's some strong grammarical reason to assume that desire refers to desire for samadhi, even the desire translation makes sense to me. Desires hold you back according to some traditions, so the closer you are to samadhi, the stronger your desires become in order TO HOLD YOU BACK. I know some people make the case that nature is set up to respond to our desires, but I've had so many powerful, long-held desires go unfulfilled that I have trouble embracing that worldview. There's too much disproving data. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Desire for samaadhi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Paatañjala-yoga-suutra I 21:
tiivra-saMvegaanaam aasannaH
Taimni's translation:
It (samaadhi) is nearest to those whose
desire (for samaadhi) is intensely strong.
1 tIvra mf(%{A})n. (fr. %{tiv-ra} , %{tu}) strong , severe ,
violent , intense , hot , pervading , excessive , ardent , sharp ,
acute , pungent , horrible RV. c. ; m. sharpness , pungency Pa1n2.
2-
2 , 8 Va1rtt. 3. Pat. ; for %{-vara} (?) g. %{rAjanyA7di} ; S3iva ;
n. pungency W. ; a shore (for 2. %{tIra} ?) Un2. k. ; tin (cf. 1. %
{tIra}) ib. ; steel L. ; iron L. ; (%{am}) ind. violently ,
impetuously , sharply , excessively W. ;
1 saMvega m. violent agitation , excitement , flurry MBh.
Katha1s. ;
vehemence , intensity , high degree Uttarar. Ra1jat. ; desire of
emancipation HParis3. ;
2 Asanna mfn. seated down , set down AV. S3a1n3khS3r. Ka1tyS3r.
AitBr. ; near , proximate MBh. R. Ragh. Megh. Katha1s. c. ;
reached , obtained , occupied BhP. ; (%{am}) n. nearness ,
vicinity ,
proximity R. Katha1s. c. ; end , death L.
When samadhi is close, unstressing is strong.
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