Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies
@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies What Doug fails to understand -- yet again -- is that you don't protect people from conspiracy theories by moderating (Buck's word for banning) those claims. You protect people by raising their awareness of how to think without falling into the traps that conspiracy theorists prey on, and by teaching them how to analyze ANY claim to see if it holds up when compared to science, logic, and Occam's Razor. To really do this, and protect people, this kind of education needs to start in elementary school and then be carried forward throughout the remainder of one's education. Students need to be taught how to analyze claims made by religion, by cults, by politicians, and by those with an agenda who want them to buy into their conspiracy theories/agenda. Why I'm bothering to write this is that in reality the person who has been most consistent in trying to sell conspiracy theories to people on FFL is *Doug himself*. *He* is the one claims that there is a conspiracy of evil-intentioned people to drive away the real spiritual people by creating an atmosphere in which claims can actually BE examined in the way I suggest above. *He* is the one trying to ban people like me and Sal and Michael, who are in fact trying to present to those who tend to fall for claims without analyzing them thoroughly ways in which they really could and should analyze such claims. Buck wants a world in which *He* gets to decide what's appropriate to be said and what isn't. None of the people he wants to ban from FFL want that. We want, in fact,the opposite. We would like to see a forum in which everyone is free to challenge and analyze ANY claim, whether it is made by TB TMers or people who don't like TM and the TMO very much. Sal and Michael and I have been advocating the very thing that Buck *claims* to support here, but that his actual behavior has clearly shown that he hates, and is trying to prevent. He'd like to moderate away the people who actually subject claims to analysis. We would like to see more such analysis. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Yep, conspiracy theorizing is sort of like nicotine to an addiction to harder things that become perniciously asocial like, “The most unbalanced members of a society, when exposed to these ideas, can be driven to commit terrible acts, including assault and mass murder”. Conspiracy theorizing should be moderated by everyone for everyone's protection. A strong protection against conspiracy theorists is in a vital and strong free public education for all citizens, at the least, that starts early and is sustained in to adulthood providing the critical skill-sets to have a more widely informed citizenry. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Re: Conspiracy theories as addiction, here's an article on the very subject. Interestingly enough, the article -- sane and surprisingly sanely written until you get to the last section -- appears on a class-A conspiracy site. Go figure. That said, doesn't this quote sound familiar? How many times have we heard the word sheeple used by conspiracy theory addicts here on FFL? The obsession with conspiracy theories has been compared to an addiction. Once one has delved deeply into this mindset, recovery—a return to balanced, sound thinking—is rare. What motivates a person to immerse himself in them in the first place? Conspiracy theories are a powerful source of pride and a wellspring of intellectual
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onto Buck. The question is, was Barry forced into working for the cult or did he volunteer? Apparently nobody forced him to give up all that money. Go figure. Most of the stuff Barry says about cults is misinformation and junk science that has been debunked years ago by social scientists. If cult brainwashing worked we could use it on our criminals in our prisons. If brainwashing works, then we can assume that Barry was himself brainwashed. Then the question becomes is Barry still under the spell of the, now dead, cult leader and still covertly working for the cult? Quoting steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com: mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com: Yes, we get to hear the same sermon which Barry has delivered 2000 times before. The self appointed anti cult czar. This is what constitutes content for Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : At least Doug is inspiring interesting replies, which partially accounts for FFL having at least 3 times the number of posts as The Peak since about May 17. The contrast of viewpoints is the driver of inspiration in some and displeasure in others. In scientific discussions, people argue and eventually some headway is made. In spiritual circles, people argue and little headway is ever made because the arguments are over imaginary things instead of real things. If spirituality ever really adopted evidence for its claims, progress could be made in settling many points of dispute. There is a certain lack of honesty that permeates spiritual discourse. A note (published in 1794) by Thomas Paine, one of the instigators of the American Revolution, regarding religious thinking (Paine was something of a Deist by the way, not an atheist): 'All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. I do not mean by this declaration to condemn those who believe otherwise; they have the same right to their belief as I have to mine. But it is necessary to the happiness of man, that he be mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe.' 'It is impossible to calculate the moral mischief, if I may so express it, that mental lying has produced in society. When a man has so far corrupted and prostituted the chastity of his mind, as to subscribe his professional belief to things he does not believe, he has prepared himself for the commission of every other crime. He takes up the trade of a priest for the sake of gain, and, in order to qualify himself for that trade, he begins with a perjury. Can we conceive anything more destructive to morality than this?' From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies What Doug fails to understand -- yet again -- is that you don't protect people from conspiracy theories by moderating (Buck's word for banning) those claims. You protect people by raising their awareness of how to think without falling into the traps that conspiracy theorists prey on, and by teaching them how to analyze ANY claim to see if it holds up when compared to science, logic, and Occam's Razor. To really do this, and protect people, this kind of education needs to start in elementary school and then be carried forward throughout the remainder of one's education. Students need to be taught how to analyze claims made by religion, by cults, by politicians, and by those with an agenda who want them to buy into their conspiracy theories/agenda. Why I'm bothering to write this is that in reality the person who has been most consistent in trying to sell conspiracy theories to people on FFL is *Doug himself*. *He* is the one claims that there is a conspiracy of evil
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for the cult or did he volunteer? Apparently nobody forced him to give up all that money. Go figure. Most of the stuff Barry says about cults is misinformation and junk science that has been debunked years ago by social scientists. If cult brainwashing worked we could use it on our criminals in our prisons. If brainwashing works, then we can assume that Barry was himself brainwashed. Then the question becomes is Barry still under the spell of the, now dead, cult leader and still covertly working for the cult? Quoting steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com: mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com: Yes, we get to hear the same sermon which Barry has delivered 2000 times before. The self appointed anti cult czar. This is what constitutes content for Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : At least Doug is inspiring interesting replies, which partially accounts for FFL having at least 3 times the number of posts as The Peak since about May 17. The contrast of viewpoints is the driver of inspiration in some and displeasure in others. In scientific discussions, people argue and eventually some headway is made. In spiritual circles, people argue and little headway is ever made because the arguments are over imaginary things instead of real things. If spirituality ever really adopted evidence for its claims, progress could be made in settling many points of dispute. There is a certain lack of honesty that permeates spiritual discourse. A note (published in 1794) by Thomas Paine, one of the instigators of the American Revolution, regarding religious thinking (Paine was something of a Deist by the way, not an atheist): 'All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. I do not mean by this declaration to condemn those who believe otherwise; they have the same right to their belief as I have to mine. But it is necessary to the happiness of man, that he be mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe.' 'It is impossible to calculate the moral mischief, if I may so express it, that mental lying has produced in society. When a man has so far corrupted and prostituted the chastity of his mind, as to subscribe his professional belief to things he does not believe, he has prepared himself for the commission of every other crime. He takes up the trade of a priest for the sake of gain, and, in order to qualify himself for that trade, he begins with a perjury. Can we conceive anything more destructive to morality than this?' From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies What Doug fails to understand -- yet again -- is that you don't protect people from conspiracy theories by moderating (Buck's word for banning) those claims. You protect people by raising their awareness of how to think without falling into the traps that conspiracy theorists prey on, and by teaching them how to analyze ANY claim to see if it holds up when compared to science, logic, and Occam's Razor. To really do this, and protect people, this kind of education needs to start in elementary school and then be carried forward throughout the remainder of one's education. Students need to be taught how to analyze claims made by religion, by cults, by politicians, and by those with an agenda who want them to buy into their conspiracy theories/agenda. Why I'm bothering to write this is that in reality the person who has been most consistent in trying to sell conspiracy theories to people on FFL is *Doug himself*. *He* is the one claims that there is a conspiracy of evil-intentioned people to drive away the real spiritual people by creating an atmosphere in which claims can actually BE examined in the way I suggest above. *He* is the one trying to ban people like me
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies
That's what I'm talking about! Obviously Barry got brainwashed by Frederick Lenz. How else would you explain that Barry actually believes that his cult leader was able to levitate? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Somebody thinks they are sane? Now there's a real form of narcissism. It looks like several of the Rama cult members got together and conspired to convince us that their cult leader was the Last Incarnation of Lord Vishnu. There may be as many as 200 of these conspirators posting to the internet. Their new leader seems to be Barry. And of course where there was a lot of money involved those same conspirators will spend a lot of money on psychological programs to make the public look on those who might be figuring things out or speculating a scenario too close to uncovering their crime as conspiracy theorists. Wow, some people get brainwashed by cults and realize it after awhile but some of them fail to realize when they've been duped by governments and corporations. It must have been a massive brainwashing effort lasting for over a decade to get someone like Barry_1 to actually believe in human levitation and post claims to a skeptical discussion group like alt.buddha.short.fat.guy and alt.sci.skeptic. Go figure. What a Divine Comedy. :-D Send in the clowns - tune in to listen to Alex Jones or Geert Wilders. LoL! On 05/21/2015 01:52 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Re: Conspiracy theories as addiction, here's an article on the very subject. Interestingly enough, the article -- sane and surprisingly sanely written until you get to the last section -- appears on a class-A conspiracy site. Go figure. That said, doesn't this quote sound familiar? How many times have we heard the word sheeple used by conspiracy theory addicts here on FFL? The obsession with conspiracy theories has been compared to an addiction. Once one has delved deeply into this mindset, recovery—a return to balanced, sound thinking—is rare. What motivates a person to immerse himself in them in the first place? Conspiracy theories are a powerful source of pride and a wellspring of intellectual vanity. The theorist comes to see himself as thinking on a higher plane than the ignorant masses around him. He walks the fringes of society, watching his surroundings with suspicion. No one realizes what’s going on, he thinks. If speaking his mind on conspiracies causes others to recoil, he simply dismisses them as “dumb sheep” who cannot see what he sees. Every episode like this further reaffirms how special this inside information makes him. Why Conspiracy Theories? http://realtruth.org/articles/110203-001-society.html; class=ygrps-yiv-238954404link-enhancr-card-urlWrapper ygrps-yiv-238954404link-enhancr-element Why Conspiracy Theories? A Magazine Restoring Plain Understanding View on realtruth.org Preview by Yahoo From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : One big one announced today. You and I do this we go to jail. The banksters get a light fine. Their CEOs should be in prison and banks broken up. There isn't anyone who doesn't believe there are conspiracies. If you were to tell me this was a plot by a secret shadow government to help their reptilian overlords gain more power in the world then I would say you were speculating beyond what is required for a satisfactory explanation. That would be a conspiracy theory. Though not a very good one as it involves things we don't know anything about and have no knowledge of, like reptilian aliens and a government competent enough to pull off complex projects. Exactly. Conspiracies that stand the test of Occam's Razor have a chance of having happened, because one does not have to invent irrational and unprovable things to believe in them. Conspiracy theories require the person who believes in them to invest in things that cannot meet the Occam's Razor test (because there are simpler and more likely explanations) and require the believer to invest in the existence of complex add-ons to reality that cannot be proven to exist. The worst part about conspiracy theories IMO is that they are addictive. There have been many studies showing that the moment someone suspends belief in the rational and invests in one conspiracy theories
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things instead of real things. If spirituality ever really adopted evidence for its claims, progress could be made in settling many points of dispute. There is a certain lack of honesty that permeates spiritual discourse. A note (published in 1794) by Thomas Paine, one of the instigators of the American Revolution, regarding religious thinking (Paine was something of a Deist by the way, not an atheist): 'All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. I do not mean by this declaration to condemn those who believe otherwise; they have the same right to their belief as I have to mine. But it is necessary to the happiness of man, that he be mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe.' 'It is impossible to calculate the moral mischief, if I may so express it, that mental lying has produced in society. When a man has so far corrupted and prostituted the chastity of his mind, as to subscribe his professional belief to things he does not believe, he has prepared himself for the commission of every other crime. He takes up the trade of a priest for the sake of gain, and, in order to qualify himself for that trade, he begins with a perjury. Can we conceive anything more destructive to morality than this?' From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies What Doug fails to understand -- yet again -- is that you don't protect people from conspiracy theories by moderating (Buck's word for banning) those claims. You protect people by raising their awareness of how to think without falling into the traps that conspiracy theorists prey on, and by teaching them how to analyze ANY claim to see if it holds up when compared to science, logic, and Occam's Razor. To really do this, and protect people, this kind of education needs to start in elementary school and then be carried forward throughout the remainder of one's education. Students need to be taught how to analyze claims made by religion, by cults, by politicians, and by those with an agenda who want them to buy into their conspiracy theories/agenda. Why I'm bothering to write this is that in reality the person who has been most consistent in trying to sell conspiracy theories to people on FFL is *Doug himself*. *He* is the one claims that there is a conspiracy of evil-intentioned people to drive away the real spiritual people by creating an atmosphere in which claims can actually BE examined in the way I suggest above. *He* is the one trying to ban people like me and Sal and Michael, who are in fact trying to present to those who tend to fall for claims without analyzing them thoroughly ways in which they really could and should analyze such claims. Buck wants a world in which *He* gets to decide what's appropriate to be said and what isn't. None of the people he wants to ban from FFL want that. We want, in fact,the opposite. We would like to see a forum in which everyone is free to challenge and analyze ANY claim, whether it is made by TB TMers or people who don't like TM and the TMO very much. Sal and Michael and I have been advocating the very thing that Buck *claims* to support here, but that his actual behavior has clearly shown that he hates, and is trying to prevent. He'd like to moderate away the people who actually subject claims to analysis. We would like to see more such analysis. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Yep, conspiracy theorizing is sort of like nicotine to an addiction to harder things that become perniciously asocial like, “The most unbalanced members of a society, when exposed to these ideas, can be driven to commit terrible acts, including assault and mass murder”. Conspiracy theorizing should be moderated by everyone for everyone's protection. A strong protection against conspiracy theorists is in a vital
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies
for the sake of gain, and, in order to qualify himself for that trade, he begins with a perjury. Can we conceive anything more destructive to morality than this?' From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies What Doug fails to understand -- yet again -- is that you don't protect people from conspiracy theories by moderating (Buck's word for banning) those claims. You protect people by raising their awareness of how to think without falling into the traps that conspiracy theorists prey on, and by teaching them how to analyze ANY claim to see if it holds up when compared to science, logic, and Occam's Razor. To really do this, and protect people, this kind of education needs to start in elementary school and then be carried forward throughout the remainder of one's education. Students need to be taught how to analyze claims made by religion, by cults, by politicians, and by those with an agenda who want them to buy into their conspiracy theories/agenda. Why I'm bothering to write this is that in reality the person who has been most consistent in trying to sell conspiracy theories to people on FFL is *Doug himself*. *He* is the one claims that there is a conspiracy of evil-intentioned people to drive away the real spiritual people by creating an atmosphere in which claims can actually BE examined in the way I suggest above. *He* is the one trying to ban people like me and Sal and Michael, who are in fact trying to present to those who tend to fall for claims without analyzing them thoroughly ways in which they really could and should analyze such claims. Buck wants a world in which *He* gets to decide what's appropriate to be said and what isn't. None of the people he wants to ban from FFL want that. We want, in fact,the opposite. We would like to see a forum in which everyone is free to challenge and analyze ANY claim, whether it is made by TB TMers or people who don't like TM and the TMO very much. Sal and Michael and I have been advocating the very thing that Buck *claims* to support here, but that his actual behavior has clearly shown that he hates, and is trying to prevent. He'd like to moderate away the people who actually subject claims to analysis. We would like to see more such analysis. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Yep, conspiracy theorizing is sort of like nicotine to an addiction to harder things that become perniciously asocial like, “The most unbalanced members of a society, when exposed to these ideas, can be driven to commit terrible acts, including assault and mass murder”. Conspiracy theorizing should be moderated by everyone for everyone's protection. A strong protection against conspiracy theorists is in a vital and strong free public education for all citizens, at the least, that starts early and is sustained in to adulthood providing the critical skill-sets to have a more widely informed citizenry. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Re: Conspiracy theories as addiction, here's an article on the very subject. Interestingly enough, the article -- sane and surprisingly sanely written until you get to the last section -- appears on a class-A conspiracy site. Go figure. That said, doesn't this quote sound familiar? How many times have we heard the word sheeple used by conspiracy theory addicts here on FFL? The obsession with conspiracy theories has been compared to an addiction. Once one has delved deeply into this mindset, recovery—a return to balanced, sound thinking—is rare. What motivates a person to immerse himself in them in the first place? Conspiracy theories are a powerful source of pride and a wellspring of intellectual vanity. The theorist comes to see himself as thinking on a higher plane than the ignorant masses around him. He walks the fringes of society, watching his surroundings with suspicion. No one realizes what’s going on, he thinks. If speaking his mind on conspiracies causes others to recoil, he simply dismisses them as “dumb sheep” who cannot see what he sees. Every episode like this further reaffirms how special this inside information makes him. Why Conspiracy Theories? http://realtruth.org/articles/110203-001-society.html http://realtruth.org/articles/110203-001-society.html http://realtruth.org
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From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : One big one announced today. You and I do this we go to jail. The banksters get a light fine. Their CEOs should be in prison and banks broken up. There isn't anyone who doesn't believe there are conspiracies. If you were to tell me this was a plot by a secret shadow government to help their reptilian overlords gain more power in the world then I would say you were speculating beyond what is required for a satisfactory explanation. That would be a conspiracy theory. Though not a very good one as it involves things we don't know anything about and have no knowledge of, like reptilian aliens and a government competent enough to pull off complex projects. Exactly. Conspiracies that stand the test of Occam's Razor have a chance of having happened, because one does not have to invent irrational and unprovable things to believe in them. Conspiracy theories require the person who believes in them to invest in things that cannot meet the Occam's Razor test (because there are simpler and more likely explanations) and require the believer to invest in the existence of complex add-ons to reality that cannot be proven to exist. The worst part about conspiracy theories IMO is that they are addictive. There have been many studies showing that the moment someone suspends belief in the rational and invests in one conspiracy theories, they are much more likely to believe the next conspiracy theory presented to them. Preferring irrational beliefs that cannot pass the Occam's Razor test becomes a habit, so what you wind up with is the people who flock to radio and TV shows that basically present nothing *but* conspiracy theories. And the audiences, having now put on the mindset of believing the unbelievable and turning off their discrimination, tune in every day to find out the next unlikely thing they're supposed to feel all elite and special for knowing. In other words, conspiracy theories are a drug, those who believe in them are junkies, and those who promote them are pushers.
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Re: Conspiracy theories as addiction, here's an article on the very subject.
Interestingly enough, the article -- sane and surprisingly sanely written until
you get to the last section -- appears on a class-A conspiracy site. Go figure.
That said, doesn't this quote sound familiar? How many times have we heard the
word sheeple used by conspiracy theory addicts here on FFL?
The obsession with conspiracy theories has been compared to an addiction. Once
one has delved deeply into this mindset, recovery—a return to balanced, sound
thinking—is rare. What motivates a person to immerse himself in them in the
first place?
Conspiracy theories are a powerful source of pride and a wellspring of
intellectual vanity. The theorist comes to see himself as thinking on a higher
plane than the ignorant masses around him. He walks the fringes of society,
watching his surroundings with suspicion. No one realizes what’s going on, he
thinks.
If speaking his mind on conspiracies causes others to recoil, he simply
dismisses them as “dumb sheep” who cannot see what he sees. Every episode like
this further reaffirms how special this inside information makes him.
Why Conspiracy Theories?
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From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
One big one announced today. You and I do this we go to jail. The
banksters get a light fine. Their CEOs should be in prison and banks
broken up.
There isn't anyone who doesn't believe there are conspiracies. If you were to
tell me this was a plot by a secret shadow government to help their reptilian
overlords gain more power in the world then I would say you were speculating
beyond what is required for a satisfactory explanation. That would be a
conspiracy theory. Though not a very good one as it involves things we don't
know anything about and have no knowledge of, like reptilian aliens and a
government competent enough to pull off complex projects.
Exactly. Conspiracies that stand the test of Occam's Razor have a chance of
having happened, because one does not have to invent irrational and unprovable
things to believe in them. Conspiracy theories require the person who believes
in them to invest in things that cannot meet the Occam's Razor test (because
there are simpler and more likely explanations) and require the believer to
invest in the existence of complex add-ons to reality that cannot be proven
to exist.
The worst part about conspiracy theories IMO is that they are addictive. There
have been many studies showing that the moment someone suspends belief in the
rational and invests in one conspiracy theories, they are much more likely to
believe the next conspiracy theory presented to them. Preferring irrational
beliefs that cannot pass the Occam's Razor test becomes a habit, so what you
wind up with is the people who flock to radio and TV shows that basically
present nothing *but* conspiracy theories. And the audiences, having now put on
the mindset of believing the unbelievable and turning off their
discrimination, tune in every day to find out the next unlikely thing they're
supposed to feel all elite and special for knowing.
In other words, conspiracy theories are a drug, those who believe in them are
junkies, and those who promote them are pushers.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies
Yep, conspiracy theorizing is sort of like nicotine to an addiction to harder things that become perniciously asocial like, “The most unbalanced members of a society, when exposed to these ideas, can be driven to commit terrible acts, including assault and mass murder”. Conspiracy theorizing should be moderated by everyone for everyone's protection. A strong protection against conspiracy theorists is in a vital and strong free public education for all citizens, at the least, that starts early and is sustained in to adulthood providing the critical skill-sets to have a more widely informed citizenry. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Re: Conspiracy theories as addiction, here's an article on the very subject. Interestingly enough, the article -- sane and surprisingly sanely written until you get to the last section -- appears on a class-A conspiracy site. Go figure. That said, doesn't this quote sound familiar? How many times have we heard the word sheeple used by conspiracy theory addicts here on FFL? The obsession with conspiracy theories has been compared to an addiction. Once one has delved deeply into this mindset, recovery—a return to balanced, sound thinking—is rare. What motivates a person to immerse himself in them in the first place? Conspiracy theories are a powerful source of pride and a wellspring of intellectual vanity. The theorist comes to see himself as thinking on a higher plane than the ignorant masses around him. He walks the fringes of society, watching his surroundings with suspicion. No one realizes what’s going on, he thinks. If speaking his mind on conspiracies causes others to recoil, he simply dismisses them as “dumb sheep” who cannot see what he sees. Every episode like this further reaffirms how special this inside information makes him. Why Conspiracy Theories? http://realtruth.org/articles/110203-001-society.html http://realtruth.org/articles/110203-001-society.html Why Conspiracy Theories? http://realtruth.org/articles/110203-001-society.html A Magazine Restoring Plain Understanding View on realtruth.org http://realtruth.org/articles/110203-001-society.html Preview by Yahoo From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : One big one announced today. You and I do this we go to jail. The banksters get a light fine. Their CEOs should be in prison and banks broken up. There isn't anyone who doesn't believe there are conspiracies. If you were to tell me this was a plot by a secret shadow government to help their reptilian overlords gain more power in the world then I would say you were speculating beyond what is required for a satisfactory explanation. That would be a conspiracy theory. Though not a very good one as it involves things we don't know anything about and have no knowledge of, like reptilian aliens and a government competent enough to pull off complex projects. Exactly. Conspiracies that stand the test of Occam's Razor have a chance of having happened, because one does not have to invent irrational and unprovable things to believe in them. Conspiracy theories require the person who believes in them to invest in things that cannot meet the Occam's Razor test (because there are simpler and more likely explanations) and require the believer to invest in the existence of complex add-ons to reality that cannot be proven to exist. The worst part about conspiracy theories IMO is that they are addictive. There have been many studies showing that the moment someone suspends belief in the rational and invests in one conspiracy theories, they are much more likely to believe the next conspiracy theory presented to them. Preferring irrational beliefs that cannot pass the Occam's Razor test becomes a habit, so what you wind up with is the people who flock to radio and TV shows that basically present nothing *but* conspiracy theories. And the audiences, having now put on the mindset of believing the unbelievable and turning off their discrimination, tune in every day to find out the next unlikely thing they're supposed to feel all elite and special for knowing. In other words, conspiracy theories are a drug, those who believe in them are junkies, and those who promote them are pushers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies
Maybe some of those snakey people chewed through that oil pipeline in
California that is leaking.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:34 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
One big one announced today. You and I do this we go to jail. The
banksters get a light fine. Their CEOs should be in prison and banks
broken up.
There isn't anyone who doesn't believe there are conspiracies. If you were to
tell me this was a plot by a secret shadow government to help their reptilian
overlords gain more power in the world then I would say you were speculating
beyond what is required for a satisfactory explanation. That would be a
conspiracy theory. Though not a very good one as it involves things we don't
know anything about and have no knowledge of, like reptilian aliens and a
government competent enough to pull off complex projects.
If this crime had been suspected because of unexpected fluctuations in exchange
rates and you had said a group of bankers were illegally manipulating the
currency markets, that would also be a conspiracy theory but because we'd have
an effect (mysterious money making) and a cause (greedy bankers) it wouldn't
raise too many eyebrows. And is also quite easy to unravel.
It's the willing invention of unnecessary elements that sets the two apart. I'm
sure we can all now go through recent and historical happenings and apply this
law of not multiplying entities. For instance, a bunch of Islamic fighters,
well armed, funded and organised had a plot to attack America. Lacking the sort
of weapons needed to cross the Atlantic they got creative and hijacked a few
planes... you know the rest, just don't add anything that isn't needed.
http://news.yahoo.com/banks-fined-2-5-billion-plead-guilty-market-140814112.html
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies
No Turqb, you are ranting assuming a lot of things here, again. Moderation can take many forms. Including self-restraint. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : What Doug fails to understand -- yet again -- is that you don't protect people from conspiracy theories by moderating (Buck's word for banning) those claims. You protect people by raising their awareness of how to think without falling into the traps that conspiracy theorists prey on, and by teaching them how to analyze ANY claim to see if it holds up when compared to science, logic, and Occam's Razor. To really do this, and protect people, this kind of education needs to start in elementary school and then be carried forward throughout the remainder of one's education. Students need to be taught how to analyze claims made by religion, by cults, by politicians, and by those with an agenda who want them to buy into their conspiracy theories/agenda. Why I'm bothering to write this is that in reality the person who has been most consistent in trying to sell conspiracy theories to people on FFL is *Doug himself*. *He* is the one claims that there is a conspiracy of evil-intentioned people to drive away the real spiritual people by creating an atmosphere in which claims can actually BE examined in the way I suggest above. *He* is the one trying to ban people like me and Sal and Michael, who are in fact trying to present to those who tend to fall for claims without analyzing them thoroughly ways in which they really could and should analyze such claims. Buck wants a world in which *He* gets to decide what's appropriate to be said and what isn't. None of the people he wants to ban from FFL want that. We want, in fact,the opposite. We would like to see a forum in which everyone is free to challenge and analyze ANY claim, whether it is made by TB TMers or people who don't like TM and the TMO very much. Sal and Michael and I have been advocating the very thing that Buck *claims* to support here, but that his actual behavior has clearly shown that he hates, and is trying to prevent. He'd like to moderate away the people who actually subject claims to analysis. We would like to see more such analysis. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Yep, conspiracy theorizing is sort of like nicotine to an addiction to harder things that become perniciously asocial like, “The most unbalanced members of a society, when exposed to these ideas, can be driven to commit terrible acts, including assault and mass murder”. Conspiracy theorizing should be moderated by everyone for everyone's protection. A strong protection against conspiracy theorists is in a vital and strong free public education for all citizens, at the least, that starts early and is sustained in to adulthood providing the critical skill-sets to have a more widely informed citizenry. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Re: Conspiracy theories as addiction, here's an article on the very subject. Interestingly enough, the article -- sane and surprisingly sanely written until you get to the last section -- appears on a class-A conspiracy site. Go figure. That said, doesn't this quote sound familiar? How many times have we heard the word sheeple used by conspiracy theory addicts here on FFL? The obsession with conspiracy theories has been compared to an addiction. Once one has delved deeply into this mindset, recovery—a return to balanced, sound thinking—is rare. What motivates a person to immerse himself in them in the first place? Conspiracy theories are a powerful source of pride and a wellspring of intellectual vanity. The theorist comes to see himself as thinking on a higher plane than the ignorant masses around him. He walks the fringes of society, watching his surroundings with suspicion. No one realizes what’s going on, he thinks. If speaking his mind on conspiracies causes others to recoil, he simply dismisses them as “dumb sheep” who cannot see what he sees. Every episode like this further reaffirms how special this inside information makes him. Why Conspiracy Theories? http://realtruth.org/articles/110203-001-society.html http://realtruth.org/articles/110203-001-society.html Why Conspiracy Theories? http://realtruth.org/articles/110203-001-society.html A Magazine Restoring Plain Understanding View on realtruth.org http://realtruth.org/articles/110203-001-society.html Preview by Yahoo From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : One big one
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies
What Doug fails to understand -- yet again -- is that you don't protect people from conspiracy theories by moderating (Buck's word for banning) those claims. You protect people by raising their awareness of how to think without falling into the traps that conspiracy theorists prey on, and by teaching them how to analyze ANY claim to see if it holds up when compared to science, logic, and Occam's Razor. To really do this, and protect people, this kind of education needs to start in elementary school and then be carried forward throughout the remainder of one's education. Students need to be taught how to analyze claims made by religion, by cults, by politicians, and by those with an agenda who want them to buy into their conspiracy theories/agenda. Why I'm bothering to write this is that in reality the person who has been most consistent in trying to sell conspiracy theories to people on FFL is *Doug himself*. *He* is the one claims that there is a conspiracy of evil-intentioned people to drive away the real spiritual people by creating an atmosphere in which claims can actually BE examined in the way I suggest above. *He* is the one trying to ban people like me and Sal and Michael, who are in fact trying to present to those who tend to fall for claims without analyzing them thoroughly ways in which they really could and should analyze such claims. Buck wants a world in which *He* gets to decide what's appropriate to be said and what isn't. None of the people he wants to ban from FFL want that. We want, in fact,the opposite. We would like to see a forum in which everyone is free to challenge and analyze ANY claim, whether it is made by TB TMers or people who don't like TM and the TMO very much. Sal and Michael and I have been advocating the very thing that Buck *claims* to support here, but that his actual behavior has clearly shown that he hates, and is trying to prevent. He'd like to moderate away the people who actually subject claims to analysis. We would like to see more such analysis. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Yep,conspiracy theorizing is sort of like nicotine to an addiction toharder things that become perniciously asocial like, “Themost unbalanced members of a society, when exposed to these ideas,can be driven to commit terrible acts, including assault and massmurder”. Conspiracy theorizing should be moderated by everyone for everyone'sprotection. A strong protection against conspiracy theorists is in avital and strong free public education for all citizens, at the least, that starts early and is sustained in to adulthood providing the critical skill-setsto have a more widely informed citizenry. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Re: Conspiracy theories as addiction, here's an article on the very subject. Interestingly enough, the article -- sane and surprisingly sanely written until you get to the last section -- appears on a class-A conspiracy site. Go figure. That said, doesn't this quote sound familiar? How many times have we heard the word sheeple used by conspiracy theory addicts here on FFL? The obsession with conspiracy theories has been compared to anaddiction. Once one has delved deeply into this mindset, recovery—areturn to balanced, sound thinking—is rare. What motivates a person toimmerse himself in them in the first place? Conspiracy theories are a powerful source of pride and a wellspringof intellectual vanity. The theorist comes to see himself as thinking ona higher plane than the ignorant masses around him. He walks thefringes of society, watching his surroundings with suspicion. No one realizes what’s going on, he thinks. If speaking his mind on conspiracies causes others to recoil, hesimply dismisses them as “dumb sheep” who cannot see what he sees. Everyepisode like this further reaffirms how special this inside informationmakes him. Why Conspiracy Theories? | | | | | | | | | | | Why Conspiracy Theories?A Magazine Restoring Plain Understanding | | | | View on realtruth.org | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : One big one announced today. You and I do this we go to jail. The banksters get a light fine. Their CEOs should be in prison and banks broken up. There isn't anyone who doesn't believe there are conspiracies. If you were to tell me this was a plot by a secret shadow government to help their reptilian overlords gain more power in the world then I would say you were speculating beyond what is required for a satisfactory explanation
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies
At least Doug is inspiring interesting replies, which partially accounts for FFL having at least 3 times the number of posts as The Peak since about May 17. The contrast of viewpoints is the driver of inspiration in some and displeasure in others. In scientific discussions, people argue and eventually some headway is made. In spiritual circles, people argue and little headway is ever made because the arguments are over imaginary things instead of real things. If spirituality ever really adopted evidence for its claims, progress could be made in settling many points of dispute. There is a certain lack of honesty that permeates spiritual discourse. A note (published in 1794) by Thomas Paine, one of the instigators of the American Revolution, regarding religious thinking (Paine was something of a Deist by the way, not an atheist): 'All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. I do not mean by this declaration to condemn those who believe otherwise; they have the same right to their belief as I have to mine. But it is necessary to the happiness of man, that he be mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe.' 'It is impossible to calculate the moral mischief, if I may so express it, that mental lying has produced in society. When a man has so far corrupted and prostituted the chastity of his mind, as to subscribe his professional belief to things he does not believe, he has prepared himself for the commission of every other crime. He takes up the trade of a priest for the sake of gain, and, in order to qualify himself for that trade, he begins with a perjury. Can we conceive anything more destructive to morality than this?' From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies What Doug fails to understand -- yet again -- is that you don't protect people from conspiracy theories by moderating (Buck's word for banning) those claims. You protect people by raising their awareness of how to think without falling into the traps that conspiracy theorists prey on, and by teaching them how to analyze ANY claim to see if it holds up when compared to science, logic, and Occam's Razor. To really do this, and protect people, this kind of education needs to start in elementary school and then be carried forward throughout the remainder of one's education. Students need to be taught how to analyze claims made by religion, by cults, by politicians, and by those with an agenda who want them to buy into their conspiracy theories/agenda. Why I'm bothering to write this is that in reality the person who has been most consistent in trying to sell conspiracy theories to people on FFL is *Doug himself*. *He* is the one claims that there is a conspiracy of evil-intentioned people to drive away the real spiritual people by creating an atmosphere in which claims can actually BE examined in the way I suggest above. *He* is the one trying to ban people like me and Sal and Michael, who are in fact trying to present to those who tend to fall for claims without analyzing them thoroughly ways in which they really could and should analyze such claims. Buck wants a world in which *He* gets to decide what's appropriate to be said and what isn't. None of the people he wants to ban from FFL want that. We want, in fact,the opposite. We would like to see a forum in which everyone is free to challenge and analyze ANY claim, whether it is made by TB TMers or people who don't like TM and the TMO very much. Sal and Michael and I have been advocating the very thing that Buck *claims* to support here, but that his actual behavior has clearly shown that he hates, and is trying to prevent. He'd like to moderate away the people who actually subject claims to analysis. We would like to see more such analysis. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Yep,conspiracy theorizing is sort of like nicotine to an addiction toharder things that become perniciously asocial like, “Themost unbalanced members of a society, when exposed to these ideas,can be driven to commit terrible acts, including assault and massmurder”. Conspiracy theorizing should be moderated by everyone for everyone'sprotection. A strong protection against conspiracy theorists is in avital and strong free public education for all citizens, at the least, that starts early and is sustained in to adulthood providing the critical skill-setsto have a more widely informed citizenry. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies
Yes, we get to hear the same sermon which Barry has delivered 2000 times before. The self appointed anti cult czar. This is what constitutes content for Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : At least Doug is inspiring interesting replies, which partially accounts for FFL having at least 3 times the number of posts as The Peak since about May 17. The contrast of viewpoints is the driver of inspiration in some and displeasure in others. In scientific discussions, people argue and eventually some headway is made. In spiritual circles, people argue and little headway is ever made because the arguments are over imaginary things instead of real things. If spirituality ever really adopted evidence for its claims, progress could be made in settling many points of dispute. There is a certain lack of honesty that permeates spiritual discourse. A note (published in 1794) by Thomas Paine, one of the instigators of the American Revolution, regarding religious thinking (Paine was something of a Deist by the way, not an atheist): 'All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. I do not mean by this declaration to condemn those who believe otherwise; they have the same right to their belief as I have to mine. But it is necessary to the happiness of man, that he be mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe.' 'It is impossible to calculate the moral mischief, if I may so express it, that mental lying has produced in society. When a man has so far corrupted and prostituted the chastity of his mind, as to subscribe his professional belief to things he does not believe, he has prepared himself for the commission of every other crime. He takes up the trade of a priest for the sake of gain, and, in order to qualify himself for that trade, he begins with a perjury. Can we conceive anything more destructive to morality than this?' From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies What Doug fails to understand -- yet again -- is that you don't protect people from conspiracy theories by moderating (Buck's word for banning) those claims. You protect people by raising their awareness of how to think without falling into the traps that conspiracy theorists prey on, and by teaching them how to analyze ANY claim to see if it holds up when compared to science, logic, and Occam's Razor. To really do this, and protect people, this kind of education needs to start in elementary school and then be carried forward throughout the remainder of one's education. Students need to be taught how to analyze claims made by religion, by cults, by politicians, and by those with an agenda who want them to buy into their conspiracy theories/agenda. Why I'm bothering to write this is that in reality the person who has been most consistent in trying to sell conspiracy theories to people on FFL is *Doug himself*. *He* is the one claims that there is a conspiracy of evil-intentioned people to drive away the real spiritual people by creating an atmosphere in which claims can actually BE examined in the way I suggest above. *He* is the one trying to ban people like me and Sal and Michael, who are in fact trying to present to those who tend to fall for claims without analyzing them thoroughly ways in which they really could and should analyze such claims. Buck wants a world in which *He* gets to decide what's appropriate to be said and what isn't. None of the people he wants to ban from FFL want that. We want, in fact,the opposite. We would like to see a forum in which everyone is free to challenge and analyze ANY claim, whether it is made by TB TMers or people who don't like TM and the TMO very much. Sal and Michael and I have been advocating the very thing that Buck *claims* to support here, but that his actual behavior has clearly shown that he hates, and is trying to prevent. He'd like to moderate away the people who actually subject claims to analysis. We would like to see more such analysis. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Yep, conspiracy theorizing is sort of like nicotine to an addiction to harder things that become perniciously asocial like, “The most unbalanced members of a society, when exposed to these ideas, can be driven to commit terrible acts, including assault and mass murder”. Conspiracy theorizing should be moderated by everyone for everyone's protection. A strong protection against conspiracy
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies
/It's a clear case of transference, Steve - everyone knows that Barry has been, and probably still is, in a cult of Rama and now he feels guilty about it and wants to transfer his cognitive dissonce onto Buck. The question is, was Barry forced into working for the cult or did he volunteer? Apparently nobody forced him to give up all that money. Go figure./ /Most of the stuff Barry says about cults is misinformation and junk science that has been debunked years ago by social scientists. If cult brainwashing worked we could use it on our criminals in our prisons. If brainwashing works, then we can assume that Barry was himself brainwashed. Then the question becomes is Barry still under the spell of the, now dead, cult leader and still covertly working for the cult? / Quoting steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com: Yes, we get to hear the same sermon which Barry has delivered 2000 times before. The self appointed anti cult czar. This is what constitutes content for Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : At least Doug is inspiring interesting replies, which partially accounts for FFL having at least 3 times the number of posts as The Peak since about May 17. The contrast of viewpoints is the driver of inspiration in some and displeasure in others. In scientific discussions, people argue and eventually some headway is made. In spiritual circles, people argue and little headway is ever made because the arguments are over imaginary things instead of real things. If spirituality ever really adopted evidence for its claims, progress could be made in settling many points of dispute. There is a certain lack of honesty that permeates spiritual discourse. A note (published in 1794) by Thomas Paine, one of the instigators of the American Revolution, regarding religious thinking (Paine was something of a Deist by the way, not an atheist): 'All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. I do not mean by this declaration to condemn those who believe otherwise; they have the same right to their belief as I have to mine. But it is necessary to the happiness of man, that he be mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe.' 'It is impossible to calculate the moral mischief, if I may so express it, that mental lying has produced in society. When a man has so far corrupted and prostituted the chastity of his mind, as to subscribe his professional belief to things he does not believe, he has prepared himself for the commission of every other crime. He takes up the trade of a priest for the sake of gain, and, in order to qualify himself for that trade, he begins with a perjury. Can we conceive anything more destructive to morality than this?' From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies What Doug fails to understand -- yet again -- is that you don't protect people from conspiracy theories by moderating (Buck's word for banning) those claims. You protect people by raising their awareness of how to think without falling into the traps that conspiracy theorists prey on, and by teaching them how to analyze ANY claim to see if it holds up when compared to science, logic, and Occam's Razor. To really do this, and protect people, this kind of education needs to start in elementary school and then be carried forward throughout the remainder of one's education. Students need to be taught how to analyze claims made by religion, by cults, by politicians, and by those with an agenda who want them to buy into their conspiracy theories/agenda. Why I'm bothering to write this is that in reality the person who has been most consistent in trying to sell conspiracy theories to people on FFL is *Doug himself*. *He* is the one claims that there is a conspiracy of evil-intentioned people to drive away the real spiritual people by creating an atmosphere in which claims can actually BE examined in the way I suggest above. *He* is the one trying to ban people like me and Sal and Michael, who are in fact trying to present to those who tend to fall for claims without analyzing them thoroughly ways in which they really could and should analyze such claims. Buck wants a world in which *He* gets to decide what's appropriate to be said and what isn't. None of the people he wants to ban from FFL want that. We want, in fact,the opposite. We would like to see a forum in which everyone is free to challenge and analyze ANY claim, whether it is made by TB TMers or people who don't
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I can't help reflect on it Richard. I would say that as far as Barry, Salyavin and Michael area concerned, it is, all about Buck. It's the FFL version of groundhog day. Buck posts the same comment every day, and these three, along with anataxius respond to it, as if it's the first time they've heard it. But, this is their version of, (genuflect), content Barry made his grand policy statement a few weeks ago about swearing off Doug, but, I think he discovered that, oops, he didn't have anything to talk about. He's probably posted all the atheist cartoons available, lampooning theists, so I guess he's circling back to his same old, same old. Ya gotta love him, though, in his own way. Always True To You In My Fashion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3WGkx1MYDQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3WGkx1MYDQ Always True To You In My Fashion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3WGkx1MYDQ Ann Miller and Tommy Rall singing Always True To You In My Fashion From Kiss Me Kate No copyright infringement intended View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3WGkx1MYDQ Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richard@... wrote : It's a clear case of transference, Steve - everyone knows that Barry has been, and probably still is, in a cult of Rama and now he feels guilty about it and wants to transfer his cognitive dissonce onto Buck. The question is, was Barry forced into working for the cult or did he volunteer? Apparently nobody forced him to give up all that money. Go figure. Most of the stuff Barry says about cults is misinformation and junk science that has been debunked years ago by social scientists. If cult brainwashing worked we could use it on our criminals in our prisons. If brainwashing works, then we can assume that Barry was himself brainwashed. Then the question becomes is Barry still under the spell of the, now dead, cult leader and still covertly working for the cult? Quoting steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com: Yes, we get to hear the same sermon which Barry has delivered 2000 times before. The self appointed anti cult czar. This is what constitutes content for Barry. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : At least Doug is inspiring interesting replies, which partially accounts for FFL having at least 3 times the number of posts as The Peak since about May 17. The contrast of viewpoints is the driver of inspiration in some and displeasure in others. In scientific discussions, people argue and eventually some headway is made. In spiritual circles, people argue and little headway is ever made because the arguments are over imaginary things instead of real things. If spirituality ever really adopted evidence for its claims, progress could be made in settling many points of dispute. There is a certain lack of honesty that permeates spiritual discourse. A note (published in 1794) by Thomas Paine, one of the instigators of the American Revolution, regarding religious thinking (Paine was something of a Deist by the way, not an atheist): 'All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. I do not mean by this declaration to condemn those who believe otherwise; they have the same right to their belief as I have to mine. But it is necessary to the happiness of man, that he be mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe.' 'It is impossible to calculate the moral mischief, if I may so express it, that mental lying has produced in society. When a man has so far corrupted and prostituted the chastity of his mind, as to subscribe his professional belief to things he does not believe, he has prepared himself for the commission of every other crime. He takes up the trade of a priest for the sake of gain, and, in order to qualify himself for that trade, he begins with a perjury. Can we conceive anything more destructive to morality than this?' From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies What Doug fails to understand -- yet again -- is that you don't protect people from conspiracy theories by moderating (Buck's word for banning) those claims. You protect people by raising their awareness of how to think without falling
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Yup, snakey is a pretty good description of the cheesy corporate heads responsible. On 05/21/2015 03:37 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Maybe some of those snakey people chewed through that oil pipeline in California that is leaking. *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:34 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : One big one announced today. You and I do this we go to jail. The banksters get a light fine. Their CEOs should be in prison and banks broken up. There isn't anyone who doesn't believe there are conspiracies. If you were to tell me this was a plot by a secret shadow government to help their reptilian overlords gain more power in the world then I would say you were speculating beyond what is required for a satisfactory explanation. That would be a conspiracytheory. Though not a very good one as it involves things we don't know anything about and have no knowledge of, like reptilian aliens and a government competent enough to pull off complex projects. If this crime had been suspected because of unexpected fluctuations in exchange rates and you had said a group of bankers were illegally manipulating the currency markets, that would also be a conspiracy theory but because we'd have an effect (mysterious money making) and a cause (greedy bankers) it wouldn't raise too many eyebrows. And is also quite easy to unravel. It's the willing invention of unnecessary elements that sets the two apart. I'm sure we can all now go through recent and historical happenings and apply this law of not multiplying entities. For instance, a bunch of Islamic fighters, well armed, funded and organised had a plot to attack America. Lacking the sort of weapons needed to cross the Atlantic they got creative and hijacked a few planes... you know the rest, just don't add anything that isn't needed. http://news.yahoo.com/banks-fined-2-5-billion-plead-guilty-market-140814112.html http://news.yahoo.com/banks-fined-2-5-billion-plead-guilty-market-140814112.html?soc_src=mailsoc_trk=ma
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You saying the emperor has clothes! :-D On 05/21/2015 04:29 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *Yep, conspiracy theorizing is sort of like nicotine to an addiction to harder things that become perniciously asocial like, “*The most unbalanced members of a society, when exposed to these ideas, can be driven to commit terrible acts, including assault and mass murder”.Conspiracy theorizing should be moderated by everyone for everyone's protection. A strong protection against conspiracy theorists is in a vital and strong free public education for all citizens, at the least, that starts early and is sustained in to adulthood providing the critical skill-sets to have a more widely informed citizenry. -JaiGuruYou! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */Re: Conspiracy theories as addiction, here's an article on the very subject. Interestingly enough, the article -- sane and surprisingly sanely written until you get to the last section -- appears on a class-A conspiracy site. Go figure. That said, doesn't this quote sound familiar? How many times have we heard the word sheeple used by conspiracy theory addicts here on FFL? /* *The obsession with conspiracy theories has been compared to an addiction. Once one has delved deeply into this mindset, recovery—a return to balanced, sound thinking—is rare. What motivates a person to immerse himself in them in the first place?* * * *Conspiracy theories are a powerful source of pride and a wellspring of intellectual vanity. The theorist comes to see himself as thinking on a higher plane than the ignorant masses around him. He walks the fringes of society, watching his surroundings with suspicion. /No one realizes what’s going on/, he thinks.* * * *If speaking his mind on conspiracies causes others to recoil, he simply dismisses them as “dumb sheep” who cannot see what he sees. Every episode like this further reaffirms how special this inside information makes him.* Why Conspiracy Theories? http://realtruth.org/articles/110203-001-society.html image http://realtruth.org/articles/110203-001-society.html Why Conspiracy Theories? http://realtruth.org/articles/110203-001-society.html A Magazine Restoring Plain Understanding View on realtruth.org http://realtruth.org/articles/110203-001-society.html Preview by Yahoo *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 9:48 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : One big one announced today. You and I do this we go to jail. The banksters get a light fine. Their CEOs should be in prison and banks broken up. There isn't anyone who doesn't believe there are conspiracies. If you were to tell me this was a plot by a secret shadow government to help their reptilian overlords gain more power in the world then I would say you were speculating beyond what is required for a satisfactory explanation. That would be a conspiracytheory. Though not a very good one as it involves things we don't know anything about and have no knowledge of, like reptilian aliens and a government competent enough to pull off complex projects. */ /* */Exactly. Conspiracies that stand the test of Occam's Razor have a chance of having happened, because one does not have to invent irrational and unprovable things to believe in them. Conspiracy theories require the person who believes in them to invest in things that cannot meet the Occam's Razor test (because there are simpler and more likely explanations) and require the believer to invest in the existence of complex add-ons to reality that cannot be proven to exist. /* */ /* */The worst part about conspiracy theories IMO is that they are addictive. There have been many studies showing that the moment someone suspends belief in the rational and invests in one conspiracy theories, they are much more likely to believe the next conspiracy theory presented to them. Preferring irrational beliefs that cannot pass the Occam's Razor test becomes a habit, so what you wind up with is the people who flock to radio and TV shows that basically present nothing *but* conspiracy theories. And the audiences, having now put on the mindset of believing the unbelievable and turning off their discrimination, tune in every day to find out the next unlikely thing they're supposed to feel all elite and special for knowing. /* */ /* */In other words, conspiracy theories are a drug, those who believe in them are junkies, and those who promote
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Somebody thinks they are sane? Now there's a real form of narcissism. And of course where there was a lot of money involved those same conspirators will spend a lot of money on psychological programs to make the public look on those who might be figuring things out or speculating a scenario too close to uncovering their crime as conspiracy theorists. Wow, some people get brainwashed by cults and realize it after awhile but some of them fail to realize when they've been duped by governments and corporations. What a Divine Comedy. :-D On 05/21/2015 01:52 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: */Re: Conspiracy theories as addiction, here's an article on the very subject. Interestingly enough, the article -- sane and surprisingly sanely written until you get to the last section -- appears on a class-A conspiracy site. Go figure. That said, doesn't this quote sound familiar? How many times have we heard the word sheeple used by conspiracy theory addicts here on FFL? /* *The obsession with conspiracy theories has been compared to an addiction. Once one has delved deeply into this mindset, recovery—a return to balanced, sound thinking—is rare. What motivates a person to immerse himself in them in the first place?* * * ** *Conspiracy theories are a powerful source of pride and a wellspring of intellectual vanity. The theorist comes to see himself as thinking on a higher plane than the ignorant masses around him. He walks the fringes of society, watching his surroundings with suspicion. /No one realizes what’s going on/, he thinks.* * * ** *If speaking his mind on conspiracies causes others to recoil, he simply dismisses them as “dumb sheep” who cannot see what he sees. Every episode like this further reaffirms how special this inside information makes him.* Why Conspiracy Theories? http://realtruth.org/articles/110203-001-society.html image http://realtruth.org/articles/110203-001-society.html Why Conspiracy Theories? http://realtruth.org/articles/110203-001-society.html A Magazine Restoring Plain Understanding View on realtruth.org http://realtruth.org/articles/110203-001-society.html Preview by Yahoo *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2015 9:48 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : One big one announced today. You and I do this we go to jail. The banksters get a light fine. Their CEOs should be in prison and banks broken up. There isn't anyone who doesn't believe there are conspiracies. If you were to tell me this was a plot by a secret shadow government to help their reptilian overlords gain more power in the world then I would say you were speculating beyond what is required for a satisfactory explanation. That would be a conspiracytheory. Though not a very good one as it involves things we don't know anything about and have no knowledge of, like reptilian aliens and a government competent enough to pull off complex projects. */ /* */Exactly. Conspiracies that stand the test of Occam's Razor have a chance of having happened, because one does not have to invent irrational and unprovable things to believe in them. Conspiracy theories require the person who believes in them to invest in things that cannot meet the Occam's Razor test (because there are simpler and more likely explanations) and require the believer to invest in the existence of complex add-ons to reality that cannot be proven to exist. /* */ /* */The worst part about conspiracy theories IMO is that they are addictive. There have been many studies showing that the moment someone suspends belief in the rational and invests in one conspiracy theories, they are much more likely to believe the next conspiracy theory presented to them. Preferring irrational beliefs that cannot pass the Occam's Razor test becomes a habit, so what you wind up with is the people who flock to radio and TV shows that basically present nothing *but* conspiracy theories. And the audiences, having now put on the mindset of believing the unbelievable and turning off their discrimination, tune in every day to find out the next unlikely thing they're supposed to feel all elite and special for knowing. /* */ /* */In other words, conspiracy theories are a drug, those who believe in them are junkies, and those who promote them are pushers. /*
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You should probably just quit using U.S. dollars and banks. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : One big one announced today. You and I do this we go to jail. The banksters get a light fine. Their CEOs should be in prison and banks broken up. http://news.yahoo.com/banks-fined-2-5-billion-plead-guilty-market-140814112.html http://news.yahoo.com/banks-fined-2-5-billion-plead-guilty-market-140814112.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : One big one announced today. You and I do this we go to jail. The banksters get a light fine. Their CEOs should be in prison and banks broken up. There isn't anyone who doesn't believe there are conspiracies. If you were to tell me this was a plot by a secret shadow government to help their reptilian overlords gain more power in the world then I would say you were speculating beyond what is required for a satisfactory explanation. That would be a conspiracy theory. Though not a very good one as it involves things we don't know anything about and have no knowledge of, like reptilian aliens and a government competent enough to pull off complex projects. If this crime had been suspected because of unexpected fluctuations in exchange rates and you had said a group of bankers were illegally manipulating the currency markets, that would also be a conspiracy theory but because we'd have an effect (mysterious money making) and a cause (greedy bankers) it wouldn't raise too many eyebrows. And is also quite easy to unravel. It's the willing invention of unnecessary elements that sets the two apart. I'm sure we can all now go through recent and historical happenings and apply this law of not multiplying entities. For instance, a bunch of Islamic fighters, well armed, funded and organised had a plot to attack America. Lacking the sort of weapons needed to cross the Atlantic they got creative and hijacked a few planes... you know the rest, just don't add anything that isn't needed. http://news.yahoo.com/banks-fined-2-5-billion-plead-guilty-market-140814112.html http://news.yahoo.com/banks-fined-2-5-billion-plead-guilty-market-140814112.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: For those who don't believe in conspiracies
PS I totally agree about the banks getting a ludicrously light punishment where we would be jailed for the rest of eternity. They will keep laughing at us as they know that no government will ever do anything to stop them. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : One big one announced today. You and I do this we go to jail. The banksters get a light fine. Their CEOs should be in prison and banks broken up. There isn't anyone who doesn't believe there are conspiracies. If you were to tell me this was a plot by a secret shadow government to help their reptilian overlords gain more power in the world then I would say you were speculating beyond what is required for a satisfactory explanation. That would be a conspiracy theory. Though not a very good one as it involves things we don't know anything about and have no knowledge of, like reptilian aliens and a government competent enough to pull off complex projects. If this crime had been suspected because of unexpected fluctuations in exchange rates and you had said a group of bankers were illegally manipulating the currency markets, that would also be a conspiracy theory but because we'd have an effect (mysterious money making) and a cause (greedy bankers) it wouldn't raise too many eyebrows. And is also quite easy to unravel. It's the willing invention of unnecessary elements that sets the two apart. I'm sure we can all now go through recent and historical happenings and apply this law of not multiplying entities. For instance, a bunch of Islamic fighters, well armed, funded and organised had a plot to attack America. Lacking the sort of weapons needed to cross the Atlantic they got creative and hijacked a few planes... you know the rest, just don't add anything that isn't needed. http://news.yahoo.com/banks-fined-2-5-billion-plead-guilty-market-140814112.html http://news.yahoo.com/banks-fined-2-5-billion-plead-guilty-market-140814112.html
