[FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor - From the heart to you
TurquoiseB wrote: Others looked at their own experiences and WALKED AWAY from this cesspool of hypocrisy. I identify more with them. But you were a leader in the TMO for over fifteen years, and after that, the leader of another cult for another ten. So, it took you, what, twenty-five years to walk away, yet you're still here. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor - From the heart to you
TurquoiseB wrote: They're puny little pissants who haven't had a mind of their own in decades, and resent anyone who has one. Nab wrote: Still after Turq left the Movement more than 30 years ago he comes up with all this strong emotions. He will not admit it of course now that he is a Buddhist and all, but Maharishi must have created an everlasting impression on his soul. Apparently, the Truq was pretty high up in the TMO. Turq has been talking about TM on news forums since 1995. Can you believe that? He must have gone online with his views when he walked away from the last cult he was in. What I can't understand, Nab, is if they lied about the TMO for all those years, why would anyone believe a thing they have to say now? I mean, if something so profound happens to a person, that thirty years later they're still incessantly talking about it, on a daily basis, then it must have been a VERY profound experience. What happened to them to make them stop doing TM? And why would they care what you or anyone else says after all these years? Maybe they are the real trolls? I'm still on the program.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor
Black Hand (Serbian: Црна рука / Crna Ruka), officially Unification or Death (Serbian: Уједињење или смрт / Ujedinjenje ili smrt), was a secret society founded in Serbia in May 1911, this society's possible connections to the June 28, 1914 assassination in Sarajevo of Franz Ferdinand, Archduke of Austria is considered to have been the main catalyst to the start of World War I. Ohhh you got me! Yes, Franz Ferdinand was a king killed by the Serbs. Do you see conection? Due to my bad reputation I am going around killing kings. My father was Croatian Serb, my mother is Croatian, I am living in Croatia. Is that relevant for someone? Maybe for such people who were creating war during 90' in ex-yugoslavia. During war on Kosovo I picked up 30 people in small bus and with help of others we were runing Dubrovnik Peace Project for 2 years. That is something what one political Serb would never did - to fight for peace on Kosovo. I concerne myself as someone without feeling of patriotism of any kind.
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor - From the heart to you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unidentified and we understand why Recert: In the meantime, I've been following the thread on John Konhaus' email responses to the Serb's emails, and the truth of this interchange is very important to me because it speaks volumes concerning whether or not I can continue being an active part of any organization under such leaders. While I commiserate, and applaud, doncha think that on another level it's a tad LATE to start noticing the qualities of the TMO's leaders, not to mention how far under them you are, and have been for a long time? As we are seeing in these days following Maharishi's death, there are a lot of people who *put off* think- ing about such things out of respect and devotion to him *until* he died. These outrages are not new; the draconian pronouncements imposed on other TMers and TM teachers are not new. They have been going on for *decades*. Is it only now that you are able to be concerned about them? As I see it, the truth of this whole Konhaus/Serb interchange would be revealed if the Serb could post the complete, unaltered email messages between himself and supposedly Konhaus. According to my understanding, emails that are forwarded cannot be altered therefore all of us will have the chance to see the original emails. In following the thread, no one has suggested this as yet. With all due respect, most of us here who are not only familiar with Zoran from his posts here on FFL but with the type of abuse from TM leaders that he's talking about really don't *need* to see the forwarded emails. We've seen Konhaus and others go off the deep end before, and this story seems not only plausible but highly likely. Look around on this forum. There are other true-blue TM supporters here, none of whom (to their credit) rushed in to *discredit* Zoran and call him a liar the way Nablus did. That's just the way that Nablus thinks -- when he encounters some statement about Maharishi, TM, or the TMO that he doesn't like, he hops in his leaky boat and heads up denial (a pun on the Nile for Zoran) without a paddle. Nabby feels that Zoran's story is *not believable*. On the other hand, being a devotee of Benny Hill... uh, sorry...Benjamin Creme, Nabby has *no trouble* believing in Space Brothers from the stars and a mysterious world savior named Maitreya who will appear at any moment and speak to all the peoples of the earth in their own language, and will pull our collective bacon out of the fire. :-) In short, Nabby's a fanatic. I've been allowing him to rave without commentary, because HE is the best commentary that anyone could possibly make about the fanaticism of the true-blue TMer. He will do *anything* to avoid dealing with reality, will call *anyone* a liar or a paid CIA propagandist rather than accepting the simple truth -- that his alleg- iances lie with an organization, and with leaders of that organization, who left their humanity behind them decades ago, and are hardly fit to walk on planet Earth, much less rule it. In contrast, examine how Zoran reacts to this hit against him and these slurs against not only his gene pool but his integrity. He does what the vast majority of TMers should have done decades ago, and LAUGHS at these fanatics in denial. Dear unanimous, I made an effort and expose myself to danger contacting wild, criminal, killing-king Serb. Zoran, please note that few here besides Nabby hold you personally responsible for starting World War I. :-) He told me that is irrelevant what was in the letters between him/Serb and Konhaus. He said that this was not a curt case so that evidences should be presented. Open letter was an act of resignation from the movement on the basis of his PERSONAL impression on Konhaus attitude. Are people making resignation from movement on the basis of fantasies? A good question, and one that I'm sure Nabby will answer Yes to. That's how they hold onto their own fragile and shaky hopes and beliefs, by think- ing that anyone who rejects them is crazy, and acting out of unstressing or fantasy. What do you think? What are your experiences? This is really the bottom line. For some, their experiences with the authoritarian control freaks whom Maharishi has placed in positions of power don't really sink their boat of hope. They prefer to carry on and ignore these outrages the way they were told to. Me, I think that they're being fool- ish, but it's their decision, not mine. Others looked at their own experiences and WALKED AWAY from this cesspool of hypocrisy. I identify more with them. How many people left the movement? Do they need to present their evidences here? Hopefully a few of them will. Wild, criminal, killing-king Serb said IT WAS A PERSONAL ACT! But wild, criminal, king-killing Serb is Off The Program and unstressing, don't you see? Nothing he says can be taken seriously. THAT
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor - From the heart to you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't. They're puny little pissants who haven't had a mind of their own in decades, and resent anyone who has one. Oh well. Still after Turq left the Movement more than 30 years ago he comes up with all this strong emotions. He will not admit it ofcourse now that he is a Buddhist and all, but Maharishi must have created an everlasting impression on his soul. That the Turq does not see it reasonable for Zoran to come up with the e-mails that would reveal if Konhaus said anything unappropiate, and thus clear Zoran of the doubt of being a liar is not surprising. This place is created for just that: Throw out any rumour, any claim however wild. If it's aim is to try to cast a shadow on the Movement it is all right. Nobody will ask you for any shred of evidence, and if they do, simply do as Zoran; sit still, pretend you did not read it and hope it goes away. It will, because FFL is for the most, populated with souls of the same caliber.
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rick, I am sharing this with you because I feel that I can trust you to protect my identity. I have enjoyed lurking on the FairfieldLife group and have hesitated in joining primarily because I feel that my identity must be protected as a recertified governor. Jai Guru Dev Hi Mr. Jai Guru Dev: No worries, Shempgurkin has at least 5 identities, and I have only one identity for 3 halflings. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 11, 2008, at 7:47 PM, Rick Archer wrote: On Mar 11, 2008, at 5:40 PM, Rick Archer wrote: n the meantime, I've been following the thread on John Konhaus' email responses to the Serb's emails, and the truth of this interchange is very important to me because it speaks volumes concerning whether or not I can continue being an active part of any organization under such leaders. As I see it, the truth of this whole Konhaus/Serb interchange would be revealed if the Serb could post the complete, unaltered email messages between himself and supposedly Konhaus. The Serb--LOL. Geez, Rick, I don't blame this guy for wanting to keep his identity secret. Is he for real? Yes. He emailed me with his real name, but wants to remain anonymous, for obvious reasons. Well, that really wasn't what I was asking--it was a rhetorical question pertaining to the somewhat unusual way he kept referring to Zoran. (Slang, IOW. I'm a little surprised that didn't come across.) I don't have a problem with someone choosing to remain anonymous, obviously. Is that last sentence a rhetorical question Sal? I can't tell, so how am I supposed to answer it? OffWorld Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor - From the heart to you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the meantime, I've been following the thread on John Konhaus' email responses to the Serb's emails, and the truth of this interchange is very important to me because it speaks volumes concerning whether or not I can continue being an active part of any organization under such leaders. John Konhaus is probably just another one of Shemp's many identities. OffWorld As I see it, the truth of this whole Konhaus/Serb interchange would be revealed if the Serb could post the complete, unaltered email messages between himself and supposedly Konhaus. According to my understanding, emails that are forwarded cannot be altered therefore all of us will have the chance to see the original emails. In following the thread, no one has suggested this as yet. Dear unanimous, I made an effort and expose myself to danger contacting wild, criminal, killing-king Serb. He told me that is irrelevant what was in the letters between him/Serb and Konhaus. He said that this was not a curt case so that evidences should be presented. Open letter was an act of resignation from the movement on the basis of his PERSONAL impression on Konhaus attitude. Are people making resignation from movement on the basis of fantasies? What do you think? What are your experiences? How many people left the movement? Do they need to present their evidences here? Wild, criminal, killing-king Serb said IT WAS A PERSONAL ACT! It is not the matter of Konhous, it is the matter of him/Serb who wanted to stop his PERSONALY agony with that organization. Is that enough? You are expecting that he/Serb show his correspondence but you don't want show up your name and face. If you want to see his/Serbs correspondence you can personally contact him he has an e-mail address thanks God! But be careful take some weapon to protect yourself in case... :-) Zoran
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rick, I am sharing this with you because I feel that I can trust you to protect my identity. I have enjoyed lurking on the FairfieldLife group and have hesitated in joining primarily because I feel that my identity must be protected as a recertified governor. Is there a way of joining where my identity cannot be determined by any means, i.e. google search, yahoo profile search, etc.? I would appreciate your insights into this as well as suggest your posting a thread periodically giving the steps for joining and how to protect one's identity . . . maybe the title could be How to Join FairfieldLife and Protect Your Identity . . . just a thought and it might draw more lurkers to join and contribute if they know that they cannot be identified. How to join FairfieldLife and Protect Your Identity! Jesus I had no idea the TMO had got THAT scary. Think about it though, what is so great about being in a group you have to hide your identity from? I think the answer to that is your first step back to reality.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor
It's not us (i.e. this group) he needs to hide his identity from, it's the TMO, that would boot him if they knew he belonged to this group. So the real question is why would he want to be a member of an organization in which his private life is not private and he doesn't feel he has freedom of speech. If he's recertified that means he's just shelled out money that might have been a real sacrifice for him. So then the question becomes, just what does the TMO give him that he would consider a good return on his investment. --- hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rick, I am sharing this with you because I feel that I can trust you to protect my identity. I have enjoyed lurking on the FairfieldLife group and have hesitated in joining primarily because I feel that my identity must be protected as a recertified governor. Is there a way of joining where my identity cannot be determined by any means, i.e. google search, yahoo profile search, etc.? I would appreciate your insights into this as well as suggest your posting a thread periodically giving the steps for joining and how to protect one's identity . . . maybe the title could be How to Join FairfieldLife and Protect Your Identity . . . just a thought and it might draw more lurkers to join and contribute if they know that they cannot be identified. How to join FairfieldLife and Protect Your Identity! Jesus I had no idea the TMO had got THAT scary. Think about it though, what is so great about being in a group you have to hide your identity from? I think the answer to that is your first step back to reality. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor
Zoran, Here's the good news: you can continue to teach TM any way you want. You tell me, but it seems from over here that there's not enough money in your country for the Rajas to be concerned that the likes of you are running things there. Maybe they'll write a couple legal sounding letters to you, but simply ignore them. I'd say, don't ever send any money from initiations to them, charge your own price that's fair for your population's general ability to pay, worship Guru Dev in exactly the way you wish, tell your marvelous ideas about him, run your own rounding courses, train your own teachers, use any TM materials you have at hand until you run out and then print up your own as you see fit, and THEN become a world teacher like Guru Dev was. Let's see if any of the Rajas get off their asses to do the necessary paperwork in your country to put you out of business. I predict that you're just too small for Girish's Thugs to come after you when they would have to put out a lot of money to do so. They're all going to be afighting each other soon enough, and you won't matter to them, and meanwhile, why not start RIGHT NOW being the kind of teacher you want to be, because they will scatter to the winds. Or, by the time any Raja decides to come at you with lawyers, you'll be the leader of your local TM community and they'll believe in your cause if you present the choice to them of being a lover of Guru Dev as opposed to paying tribute money to a gangster in India. Go! Go! Go! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Black Hand (Serbian: ЦÑна ÑÑка / Crna Ruka), officially Unification or Death (Serbian: УÑедиÑеÑе или ÑмÑÑ / Ujedinjenje ili smrt), was a secret society founded in Serbia in May 1911, this society's possible connections to the June 28, 1914 assassination in Sarajevo of Franz Ferdinand, Archduke of Austria is considered to have been the main catalyst to the start of World War I. Ohhh you got me! Yes, Franz Ferdinand was a king killed by the Serbs. Do you see conection? Due to my bad reputation I am going around killing kings. My father was Croatian Serb, my mother is Croatian, I am living in Croatia. Is that relevant for someone? Maybe for such people who were creating war during 90' in ex-yugoslavia. During war on Kosovo I picked up 30 people in small bus and with help of others we were runing Dubrovnik Peace Project for 2 years. That is something what one political Serb would never did - to fight for peace on Kosovo. I concerne myself as someone without feeling of patriotism of any kind.
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not us (i.e. this group) he needs to hide his identity from, it's the TMO, that would boot him if they knew he belonged to this group. So the real question is why would he want to be a member of an organization in which his private life is not private and he doesn't feel he has freedom of speech. That is what I meant with my post Angela, but I can see how it could be taken both ways. If he's recertified that means he's just shelled out money that might have been a real sacrifice for him. So then the question becomes, just what does the TMO give him that he would consider a good return on his investment. If he has to hide from them not a lot, but then he's obviously a long way in to be a re-cert. And the further up the garden path you've been led the further you have to walk back, and on your own. Which is why FFL is so good as it's chock full of ex-TMers who are doing just fine, myself included. The fact is anyone reading this site is out of favour with the TMO as far as they are concerned --- hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Hi Rick, I am sharing this with you because I feel that I can trust you to protect my identity. I have enjoyed lurking on the FairfieldLife group and have hesitated in joining primarily because I feel that my identity must be protected as a recertified governor. Is there a way of joining where my identity cannot be determined by any means, i.e. google search, yahoo profile search, etc.? I would appreciate your insights into this as well as suggest your posting a thread periodically giving the steps for joining and how to protect one's identity . . . maybe the title could be How to Join FairfieldLife and Protect Your Identity . . . just a thought and it might draw more lurkers to join and contribute if they know that they cannot be identified. How to join FairfieldLife and Protect Your Identity! Jesus I had no idea the TMO had got THAT scary. Think about it though, what is so great about being in a group you have to hide your identity from? I think the answer to that is your first step back to reality. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoran, Here's the good news: you can continue to teach TM any way you want. Ofcourse. All he has to do is stop slandering and telling lies about others in the movement.
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor
Zoran could single-handedly turn kaliyugoslavia into satyugoslavia! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoran, Here's the good news: you can continue to teach TM any way you want. You tell me, but it seems from over here that there's not enough money in your country for the Rajas to be concerned that the likes of you are running things there. Maybe they'll write a couple legal sounding letters to you, but simply ignore them. I'd say, don't ever send any money from initiations to them, charge your own price that's fair for your population's general ability to pay, worship Guru Dev in exactly the way you wish, tell your marvelous ideas about him, run your own rounding courses, train your own teachers, use any TM materials you have at hand until you run out and then print up your own as you see fit, and THEN become a world teacher like Guru Dev was. Let's see if any of the Rajas get off their asses to do the necessary paperwork in your country to put you out of business. I predict that you're just too small for Girish's Thugs to come after you when they would have to put out a lot of money to do so. They're all going to be afighting each other soon enough, and you won't matter to them, and meanwhile, why not start RIGHT NOW being the kind of teacher you want to be, because they will scatter to the winds. Or, by the time any Raja decides to come at you with lawyers, you'll be the leader of your local TM community and they'll believe in your cause if you present the choice to them of being a lover of Guru Dev as opposed to paying tribute money to a gangster in India. Go! Go! Go! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta krneta.zoran@ wrote: Black Hand (Serbian: ЦÑна ÑÑка / Crna Ruka), officially Unification or Death (Serbian: УÑедиÑеÑе или ÑмÑÑ / Ujedinjenje ili smrt), was a secret society founded in Serbia in May 1911, this society's possible connections to the June 28, 1914 assassination in Sarajevo of Franz Ferdinand, Archduke of Austria is considered to have been the main catalyst to the start of World War I. Ohhh you got me! Yes, Franz Ferdinand was a king killed by the Serbs. Do you see conection? Due to my bad reputation I am going around killing kings. My father was Croatian Serb, my mother is Croatian, I am living in Croatia. Is that relevant for someone? Maybe for such people who were creating war during 90' in ex-yugoslavia. During war on Kosovo I picked up 30 people in small bus and with help of others we were runing Dubrovnik Peace Project for 2 years. That is something what one political Serb would never did - to fight for peace on Kosovo. I concerne myself as someone without feeling of patriotism of any kind.
[FairfieldLife] Re: From a recertified Governor
--Be careful in dealing with this Serb. He could be a member of the Black Hand. From Wiki: Black Hand (Serbian: Öðíà ðóêà / Crna Ruka), officially Unification or Death (Serbian: Ó¼åäèåå èëè ñìðò / Ujedinjenje ili smrt), was a secret society founded in Serbia in May 1911[1][2], as part of the Pan-Slavism nationalist movement, with the intention of uniting all of the territories containing South Slav populations (Serbs, Croats, Macedonians, Slovenes, etc) annexed by Austria-Hungary[3]. This society's possible connections to the June 28, 1914 assassination in Sarajevo of Franz Ferdinand, Archduke of Austria is considered to have been the main catalyst to the start of World War I. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 7:12 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] From a recertified Governor On Mar 11, 2008, at 5:40 PM, Rick Archer wrote: n the meantime, I've been following the thread on John Konhaus' email responses to the Serb's emails, and the truth of this interchange is very important to me because it speaks volumes concerning whether or not I can continue being an active part of any organization under such leaders. As I see it, the truth of this whole Konhaus/Serb interchange would be revealed if the Serb could post the complete, unaltered email messages between himself and supposedly Konhaus. The Serb--LOL. Geez, Rick, I don't blame this guy for wanting to keep his identity secret. Is he for real? Yes. He emailed me with his real name, but wants to remain anonymous, for obvious reasons. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1325 - Release Date: 3/11/2008 1:41 PM
