[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Fw: Muslim Jokes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote: Well, I'm of a different opinion. I'd probably be quite (over)sensative to any Scandinavian jokes if the rest of the world was ripping our wealth from us harrasing us infiltrating our governments hunting us fighting us invading us humiliating us forcing us to our knees. They are desperate. I can see it is very comforting looking at them as being different from and inferior to us. Sooner or later a whiplash is bound to occur though, that's common sense. Better make it softer by not creating any more terrible karma. Arrogance can only last so long. It's lasted for almost 800 years, since the Crusades. And with reason. Muslims have been treated like the niggers of the world since then, starting with a systematic campaign on the part of Europeans to put them down and regard them as less than human after those same Europeans got their butts kicked in the Crusades themselves. That said, what we're talking about is, in Buddhist terminology, *attachment*. The people who are overreacting to these cartoons are angry because they are *attached* to their beliefs. They cannot tell the difference between someone poking fun at those beliefs and someone attacking them physically. They honestly believe that they *are* their beliefs. The *same* thing happened in Europe and America with regard to Christianity. A bunch of attached people grew so fearful of anyone laughing at the things they held sacred or treating them lightly that they killed hundreds of thousands of people for doing it. Remember the Inquisition? The solution is not, in my opinion, to cave, to submit to these dogma-bullies, but to *continue* to express oneself -- whether that _expression_ happens as humor, or academic criticism, or in whatever fashion it manifests itself. If a bunch of people hadn't stood up for their right to think for themselves, we'd still have the Inquisition. Oh...wait...we still *do* have the Inquisition. It was officially disbanded in the 1950s, but the current Pope brought it back. Never mind. :-) Anyway, as you can tell, I'm a fan of humor and laughter with regard to spirituality and spiritual beliefs. I don't have the exact quote with me, but here's the gist of what one teacher said on the subject: "Any spiritual organization that has lost the ability to laugh at the things it considers holy for fear of losing their way has already lost their way." Good article in the NY Times International edition today about what I was blasted about here yesterday. Goofed up the link try this one: Furor Over Cartoons Pits Muslim Against Muslim JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Fw: Muslim Jokes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Goofed up the link try this one: Furor Over Cartoons Pits Muslim Against Muslim http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/22/international/middleeast/22cartoons.h\ tml?hpex=1140584400en=e85120f56c914a0aei=5094partner=homepage JohnY That's a great article. Friedman's commentary today is spot on, too: http://select.nytimes.com/2006/02/22/opinion/22friedman.html?hp Empty Pockets, Angry Minds I have no doubt that the Danish cartoons mocking the Prophet Muhammad have caused real offense to many Muslims. I'm glad my newspaper didn't publish them. But there is something in the worldwide Muslim reaction to these cartoons that is excessive, and suggests that something else is at work in this story. It's time we talked about it. To understand this Danish affair, you can't just read Samuel Huntington's classic, The Clash of Civilizations. You also need to read Karl Marx, because this explosion of Muslim rage is not just about some Western insult. It's also about an Eastern failure. It is about the failure of many Muslim countries to build economies that prepare young people for modernity and all the insult, humiliation and frustration that has produced. Today's world has become so wired together, so flattened, that you can't avoid seeing just where you stand on the planet just where the caravan is and just how far ahead or behind you are. In this flat world you get your humiliation fiber-optically, at 56K or via broadband, whether you're in the Muslim suburbs of Paris or Kabul. Today, Muslim youth are enraged by cartoons in Denmark. Earlier, it was a Newsweek story about a desecrated Koran. Why? When you're already feeling left behind, even the tiniest insult from afar goes to the very core of your being because your skin is so thin. India is the second-largest Muslim country in the world, but the cartoon protests here, unlike those in Pakistan, have been largely peaceful. One reason for the difference is surely that Indian Muslims are empowered and live in a flourishing democracy. India's richest man is a Muslim software entrepreneur. But so many young Arabs and Muslims live in nations that have deprived them of any chance to realize their full potential. The Middle East Media Research Institute, called Memri, just published an analysis of the latest employment figures issued by the U.N.'s International Labor Office. The I.L.O. study, Memri reported, found that the Middle East and North Africa stand out as the region with the highest rate of unemployment in the world: 13.2 percent. That is worse than in sub-Saharan Africa. While G.D.P. in the Middle East-North Africa region registered an annual increase of 5.5 percent from 1993 to 2003, productivity, the measure of how efficiently these resources were used, increased by only about 0.1 percent annually better than only one region, sub-Saharan Africa. The Arab world is the only area in the world where productivity did not increase with G.D.P. growth. That's because so much of the G.D.P. growth in this region was driven by oil revenues, not by educating workers to do new things with new technologies. Nearly 60 percent of the Arab world is under the age of 25. With limited job growth to absorb them, the I.L.O. estimates, the region is spinning out about 500,000 more unemployed people each year. At a time when India and China are focused on getting their children to be more scientific, innovative thinkers, educational standards in much of the Muslim world particularly when it comes to science and critical inquiry are not keeping pace. Pervez Hoodbhoy, a professor of nuclear physics at Quaid-i-Azam University in Islamabad, Pakistan, bluntly wrote the following in Global Agenda 2006, the journal of the recent Davos World Economic Forum: Pakistan's public (and all but a handful of private) universities are intellectual rubble, their degrees of little consequence. ... According to the Pakistan Council for Science and Technology, Pakistanis have succeeded in registering only eight patents internationally in 57 years. ... [Today] you seldom encounter a Muslim name in scientific journals. Muslim contributions to pure and applied science measured in terms of discoveries, publications, patents and processes are marginal. ... The harsh truth is that science and Islam parted ways many centuries ago. In a nutshell, the Muslim experience consists of a golden age of science from the ninth to the 14th centuries, subsequent collapse, modest rebirth in the 19th century, and a profound reversal from science and modernity, beginning in the last decades of the 20th century. This reversal appears, if anything, to be gaining speed. No wonder so many young people in this part of the world are unprepared, and therefore easily enraged, as they encounter modernity. And no wonder backward religious leaders and dictators in places like Syria and Iran who have miserably failed their youth
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Fw: Muslim Jokes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote: Well, I'm of a different opinion. I'd probably be quite (over)sensative to any Scandinavian jokes if the rest of the world was ripping our wealth from us harrasing us infiltrating our governments hunting us fighting us invading us humiliating us forcing us to our knees. They are desperate. I can see it is very comforting looking at them as being different from and inferior to us. Sooner or later a whiplash is bound to occur though, that's common sense. Better make it softer by not creating any more terrible karma. Arrogance can only last so long. It's lasted for almost 800 years, since the Crusades. And with reason. Muslims have been treated like the niggers of the world since then, Actually, Barry, black Africans and those of black African descent have been treated like the niggers of the world since then, NOT Muslims. It is the opposite of what you say above: Muslims and Arabs in general actively and vigorously persued a policy of slave-trading in said black Africans...indeed, even to this day. starting with a systematic campaign on the part of Europeans to put them down and regard them as less than human after those same Europeans got their butts kicked in the Crusades themselves. That said, what we're talking about is, in Buddhist terminology, *attachment*. The people who are overreacting to these cartoons are angry because they are *attached* to their beliefs. They cannot tell the difference between someone poking fun at those beliefs and someone attacking them physically. They honestly believe that they *are* their beliefs. The *same* thing happened in Europe and America with regard to Christianity. A bunch of attached people grew so fearful of anyone laughing at the things they held sacred or treating them lightly that they killed hundreds of thousands of people for doing it. Remember the Inquisition? The solution is not, in my opinion, to cave, to submit to these dogma-bullies, but to *continue* to express oneself -- whether that expression happens as humor, or academic criticism, or in whatever fashion it manifests itself. If a bunch of people hadn't stood up for their right to think for themselves, we'd still have the Inquisition. Oh...wait...we still *do* have the Inquisition. It was officially disbanded in the 1950s, but the current Pope brought it back. Never mind. :-) Anyway, as you can tell, I'm a fan of humor and laughter with regard to spirituality and spiritual beliefs. I don't have the exact quote with me, but here's the gist of what one teacher said on the subject: Any spiritual organization that has lost the ability to laugh at the things it considers holy for fear of losing their way has already lost their way. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Fw: Muslim Jokes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Jim Boyer To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:27 AM Subject: Muslim Jokes Why you never hear 'Muslim jokes' Jackie Mason Muslim fundamentalists have decided that even if you never saw or heard of the cartoons, you deserve to be hit with rocks, have your car wrecked and your embassies destroyed. Ironically, the cartoonists were not insulting Islam; they were satirising fanaticism. Now the fanatics have decided that there are no laws, limits or boundaries that apply to their behaviour. They not only have the right to take your life; they now have the right to rob you of your freedom of _expression. Could you picture a Jew killing anybody for such meaningless reasons? If a Jew gets mad he might sneak into your house and steal your Lipitor or he would make a deal with your doctor to lie about your cholesterol number, or just when you have fasted a whole day on Yom Kippur he would sneak into your house and steal all the pastrami sandwiches. I never saw a Jew going into meaningless fights. That is why you seldom see Jewish football players. A Jew is not going to take a chance in spraining his neck or tearing a ligament in his knee just because he was fighting with somebody about catching a ball. He would rather go to a store and buy another ball and avoid the whole problem. That is why there are also no Jewish hockey players. Hockey players spend all their time hitting each other in the mouth with sticks. When Jews saw how Gentiles played hockey, that is how Jews found out that instead of becoming hockey players they would become dentists, and that way they decided to let other people play the game while they found a way to make a profit from it. Jews are never known to get into unnecessary physical battles. That is why people are never afraid of being attacked by a Jew. Did you ever hear anybody say, 'Don't go into that neighbourhood, it is very dangerous, there are a lot of Jews there'? Jews have so long been accustomed to being threatened and persecuted all over the world that they could never dream of creating needless violence anywhere, because they would be grateful to find a place where they are allowed to live in peace. Meanwhile, the world is reacting with an amazing cowardice. Instead of a collective fury, we are pleading forgiveness and promising not to offend them with any more cartoons. Could anything be more perverted? Bill, Jackie said it much, much better than I tried to say to say it. Thank you for posting it. (And it was funny too.) JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Fw: Muslim Jokes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I'm of a different opinion. I'd probably be quite (over)sensative to any Scandinavian jokes if the rest of the world was ripping our wealth from us harrasing us infiltrating our governments hunting us fighting us invading us humiliating us forcing us to our knees. They are desperate. I can see it is very comforting looking at them as being different from and inferior to us. Sooner or later a whiplash is bound to occur though, that's common sense. Better make it softer by not creating any more terrible karma. Arrogance can only last so long. It's lasted for almost 800 years, since the Crusades. And with reason. Muslims have been treated like the niggers of the world since then, starting with a systematic campaign on the part of Europeans to put them down and regard them as less than human after those same Europeans got their butts kicked in the Crusades themselves. That said, what we're talking about is, in Buddhist terminology, *attachment*. The people who are overreacting to these cartoons are angry because they are *attached* to their beliefs. They cannot tell the difference between someone poking fun at those beliefs and someone attacking them physically. They honestly believe that they *are* their beliefs. The *same* thing happened in Europe and America with regard to Christianity. A bunch of attached people grew so fearful of anyone laughing at the things they held sacred or treating them lightly that they killed hundreds of thousands of people for doing it. Remember the Inquisition? The solution is not, in my opinion, to cave, to submit to these dogma-bullies, but to *continue* to express oneself -- whether that expression happens as humor, or academic criticism, or in whatever fashion it manifests itself. If a bunch of people hadn't stood up for their right to think for themselves, we'd still have the Inquisition. Oh...wait...we still *do* have the Inquisition. It was officially disbanded in the 1950s, but the current Pope brought it back. Never mind. :-) Anyway, as you can tell, I'm a fan of humor and laughter with regard to spirituality and spiritual beliefs. I don't have the exact quote with me, but here's the gist of what one teacher said on the subject: Any spiritual organization that has lost the ability to laugh at the things it considers holy for fear of losing their way has already lost their way. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Fw: Muslim Jokes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote: Well, I'm of a different opinion. I'd probably be quite (over)sensative to any Scandinavian jokes if the rest of the world was ripping our wealth from us harrasing us infiltrating our governments hunting us fighting us invading us humiliating us forcing us to our knees. They are desperate. I can see it is very comforting looking at them as being different from and inferior to us. Sooner or later a whiplash is bound to occur though, that's common sense. Better make it softer by not creating any more terrible karma. Arrogance can only last so long. It's lasted for almost 800 years, since the Crusades. And with reason. Muslims have been treated like the niggers of the world since then, starting with a systematic campaign on the part of Europeans to put them down and regard them as less than human after those same Europeans got their butts kicked in the Crusades themselves. That said, what we're talking about is, in Buddhist terminology, *attachment*. The people who are overreacting to these cartoons are angry because they are *attached* to their beliefs. They cannot tell the difference between someone poking fun at those beliefs and someone attacking them physically. They honestly believe that they *are* their beliefs. The *same* thing happened in Europe and America with regard to Christianity. A bunch of attached people grew so fearful of anyone laughing at the things they held sacred or treating them lightly that they killed hundreds of thousands of people for doing it. Remember the Inquisition? The solution is not, in my opinion, to cave, to submit to these dogma-bullies, but to *continue* to express oneself -- whether that _expression_ happens as humor, or academic criticism, or in whatever fashion it manifests itself. If a bunch of people hadn't stood up for their right to think for themselves, we'd still have the Inquisition. Oh...wait...we still *do* have the Inquisition. It was officially disbanded in the 1950s, but the current Pope brought it back. Never mind. :-) Anyway, as you can tell, I'm a fan of humor and laughter with regard to spirituality and spiritual beliefs. I don't have the exact quote with me, but here's the gist of what one teacher said on the subject: "Any spiritual organization that has lost the ability to laugh at the things it considers holy for fear of losing their way has already lost their way." Good article in the NY Times International edition today about what I was blasted about here yesterday. Furor Over Cartoons JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
