Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting
So tell me how do you know that even you haven't spend many lifetimes pursuing enlightenment? Just sayin' that I've known a number of folks who have had good experiences even with TM and experienced CC some time ago. One of the problems on FFL is that people here seem to expect "saintly behavior" which any guru would chuckle about. When you attain "CC" you will have some samskaras in play which determine your personality. I've even heard Maharishi quoted on this. Recently I watched a documentary on Netflix about Steve Jobs. He believed he was enlightened and it is discussed in the documentary both from the perspective of Ram Dass's book "Be Here Now" where he also mentions what I've said above. And from the perspective of a Buddhist monk who Jobs visited to ask for help. The question was how could such a rash person be enlightened? So if you think that everyone that tried TM was a spiritual "noobie" I've got a slightly used bridge here in the SF Bay Area to sell you. :-D On 05/12/2016 05:01 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Well, if you think it's a hop, skip and a jump under other *paths* and masters,.. knock yourself out. I'm more inclined to believe that individuals *grow* into their paths, regardless of what they may be. That *growth* aspect involves time and maturity along the way. *From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, May 11, 2016 6:12 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting Read it and also Shiva Puranas, Srimad Bhagavatam, etc. etc. etc. With TM you'll hit a brick wall but other paths have more to offer. On 05/11/2016 03:10 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com <mailto:mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> [FairfieldLife] wrote: You might try reading the Gita again. *From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net <mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net> [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 11, 2016 11:19 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting It doesn't take many lifetimes, it takes a proper teacher who is qualified to teach it: an acharya. That said, some here may have been practicing sadhana for many lifetimes anyway. On 05/11/2016 09:04 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com <mailto:mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> [FairfieldLife] wrote: It may be *yoga lite*, but I doubt many westerners are really ready for the *yoga heavy*. Maharishi was offering something for the masses. It is as effective as you are willing to make it. One of the last instructions in the initial course, in order to gain CC is, *don't do anything you know is wrong*. Most people can't even *begin* to live up to that instruction. I was into the 5-8 year plan myself in the beginning but eventually realized that was just a hook in the jaw to reel you in, as are the rest of the *programs*. Real yoga requires many births with steady progress along the way. Best to learn to walk before you try running, patience Grasshopper! There is a story in one of the Upanishads in which a shishya asks his master how much longer to gain enlightenment.The master said "see the leaves of this great tree that we sit under? One life time for every leaf." The shishya, seeing tens of thousands of leaves, was elated that at last, the end to the endless cycle of birth and death was in view. Krishna said "only after many lives of this practice does one come to Me" Of course M had to weasel his way around that by saying it meant after many experiences of transcending, not births. He admitted that it was a verse that discouraged people from even trying.The duty of a master is to encourage the disciple. That has been M's goal all along. The carrot and the stick. Let them think enlightenment is just around the corner. And maybe it is for a person or two. *From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net <mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net> [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 11, 2016 10:25 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting And at the end of the day, TM is still just "yoga lite." Folks need to try the real stuff. ;-) On 05/11/2016 05:14 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com <mailto:mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> [FairfieldLife] wrote: I have to agree here. Nobody, at least on this for
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting
Well, if you think it's a hop, skip and a jump under other *paths* and
masters,.. knock yourself out.I'm more inclined to believe that individuals
*grow* into their paths, regardless of what they may be.That *growth* aspect
involves time and maturity along the way.
From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting
Read it and also Shiva Puranas, Srimad Bhagavatam, etc. etc. etc. With
TM you'll hit a brick wall but other paths have more to offer.
On 05/11/2016 03:10 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
You might try reading the Gita again.
From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting
It doesn't take many lifetimes, it takes a proper teacher who is
qualified to teach it: an acharya. That said, some here may have been
practicing sadhana for many lifetimes anyway.
On 05/11/2016 09:04 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
It may be *yoga lite*, but I doubt many westerners are really ready for
the *yoga heavy*. Maharishi was offering something for the masses. It is as
effective as you are willing to make it. One of the last instructions in the
initial course, in order to gain CC is, *don't do anything you know is wrong*.
Most people can't even *begin* to live up to that instruction.
I was into the 5-8 year plan myself in the beginning but eventually realized
that was just a hook in the jaw to reel you in, as are the rest of the
*programs*. Real yoga requires many births with steady progress along the way.
Best to learn to walk before you try running, patience Grasshopper! There is
a story in one of the Upanishads in which a shishya asks his master how much
longer to gain enlightenment.The master said "see the leaves of this great
tree that we sit under? One life time for every leaf." The shishya, seeing tens
of thousands of leaves, was elated that at last, the end to the endless cycle
of birth and death was in view.
Krishna said "only after many lives of this practice does one come to Me" Of
course M had to weasel his way around that by saying it meant after many
experiences of transcending, not births. He admitted that it was a verse that
discouraged people from even trying.The duty of a master is to encourage the
disciple. That has been M's goal all along. The carrot and the stick. Let them
think enlightenment is just around the corner. And maybe it is for a person or
two.
From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting
And at the end of the day, TM is still just "yoga lite." Folks need
to try the real stuff. ;-)
On 05/11/2016 05:14 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
I have to agree here. Nobody, at least on this forum, knows everything
Guru Dev taught. He was said to be a master of all yogas.I feel pretty
confident that even Maharishi would admit that he didn't know everything Guru
Dev knew. BTW, it's said that Maharishi gave entirely different mantras to
Indians based on their family deity, at least at one time.
From: "emptyb...@yahoo.com[FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 8:29 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting
You are merely speculating about a topic you don't know anything about
- without sufficient information at hand.
I received a mantra with omkara from SSRS in 1998. I asked a Sankhya-Yoga
scholar (a former TM teacher) about it and he pointed out that it was a
traditional polysyllabic maha-mantra and was perfectly acceptable in the view
of the Shankaracharya tradition (sampradaya).
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting
Read it and also Shiva Puranas, Srimad Bhagavatam, etc. etc. etc. With TM you'll hit a brick wall but other paths have more to offer. On 05/11/2016 03:10 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: You might try reading the Gita again. *From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, May 11, 2016 11:19 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting It doesn't take many lifetimes, it takes a proper teacher who is qualified to teach it: an acharya. That said, some here may have been practicing sadhana for many lifetimes anyway. On 05/11/2016 09:04 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com <mailto:mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> [FairfieldLife] wrote: It may be *yoga lite*, but I doubt many westerners are really ready for the *yoga heavy*. Maharishi was offering something for the masses. It is as effective as you are willing to make it. One of the last instructions in the initial course, in order to gain CC is, *don't do anything you know is wrong*. Most people can't even *begin* to live up to that instruction. I was into the 5-8 year plan myself in the beginning but eventually realized that was just a hook in the jaw to reel you in, as are the rest of the *programs*. Real yoga requires many births with steady progress along the way. Best to learn to walk before you try running, patience Grasshopper! There is a story in one of the Upanishads in which a shishya asks his master how much longer to gain enlightenment.The master said "see the leaves of this great tree that we sit under? One life time for every leaf." The shishya, seeing tens of thousands of leaves, was elated that at last, the end to the endless cycle of birth and death was in view. Krishna said "only after many lives of this practice does one come to Me" Of course M had to weasel his way around that by saying it meant after many experiences of transcending, not births. He admitted that it was a verse that discouraged people from even trying.The duty of a master is to encourage the disciple. That has been M's goal all along. The carrot and the stick. Let them think enlightenment is just around the corner. And maybe it is for a person or two. *From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net <mailto:noozg...@sbcglobal.net> [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 11, 2016 10:25 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting And at the end of the day, TM is still just "yoga lite." Folks need to try the real stuff. ;-) On 05/11/2016 05:14 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com <mailto:mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> [FairfieldLife] wrote: I have to agree here. Nobody, at least on this forum, knows everything Guru Dev taught. He was said to be a master of all yogas.I feel pretty confident that even Maharishi would admit that he didn't know everything Guru Dev knew. BTW, it's said that Maharishi gave entirely different mantras to Indians based on their family deity, at least at one time. *From:* "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <mailto:emptyb...@yahoo.com[FairfieldLife]> <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 10, 2016 8:29 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting You are merely speculating about a topic you don't know anything about - without sufficient information at hand. I received a mantra with omkara from SSRS in 1998. I asked a Sankhya-Yoga scholar (a former TM teacher) about it and he pointed out that it was a traditional polysyllabic maha-mantra and was perfectly acceptable in the view of the Shankaracharya tradition (sampradaya).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting
Reminds me here's a Indian group chanting . for Trump! http://bigstory.ap.org/article/73ce604e1e2d40859fefab04f1e02d81/hindu-group-india-asks-gods-help-trump-win-us-election On 05/11/2016 09:04 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: It may be *yoga lite*, but I doubt many westerners are really ready for the *yoga heavy*. Maharishi was offering something for the masses. It is as effective as you are willing to make it. One of the last instructions in the initial course, in order to gain CC is, *don't do anything you know is wrong*. Most people can't even *begin* to live up to that instruction. I was into the 5-8 year plan myself in the beginning but eventually realized that was just a hook in the jaw to reel you in, as are the rest of the *programs*. Real yoga requires many births with steady progress along the way. Best to learn to walk before you try running, patience Grasshopper! There is a story in one of the Upanishads in which a shishya asks his master how much longer to gain enlightenment.The master said "see the leaves of this great tree that we sit under? One life time for every leaf." The shishya, seeing tens of thousands of leaves, was elated that at last, the end to the endless cycle of birth and death was in view. Krishna said "only after many lives of this practice does one come to Me" Of course M had to weasel his way around that by saying it meant after many experiences of transcending, not births. He admitted that it was a verse that discouraged people from even trying.The duty of a master is to encourage the disciple. That has been M's goal all along. The carrot and the stick. Let them think enlightenment is just around the corner. And maybe it is for a person or two. *From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, May 11, 2016 10:25 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting And at the end of the day, TM is still just "yoga lite." Folks need to try the real stuff. ;-) On 05/11/2016 05:14 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com <mailto:mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> [FairfieldLife] wrote: I have to agree here. Nobody, at least on this forum, knows everything Guru Dev taught. He was said to be a master of all yogas.I feel pretty confident that even Maharishi would admit that he didn't know everything Guru Dev knew. BTW, it's said that Maharishi gave entirely different mantras to Indians based on their family deity, at least at one time. *From:* "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <mailto:emptyb...@yahoo.com[FairfieldLife]> <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 10, 2016 8:29 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting You are merely speculating about a topic you don't know anything about - without sufficient information at hand. I received a mantra with omkara from SSRS in 1998. I asked a Sankhya-Yoga scholar (a former TM teacher) about it and he pointed out that it was a traditional polysyllabic maha-mantra and was perfectly acceptable in the view of the Shankaracharya tradition (sampradaya).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting
You might try reading the Gita again.
From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting
It doesn't take many lifetimes, it takes a proper teacher who is qualified
to teach it: an acharya. That said, some here may have been practicing sadhana
for many lifetimes anyway.
On 05/11/2016 09:04 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
It may be *yoga lite*, but I doubt many westerners are really ready for
the *yoga heavy*. Maharishi was offering something for the masses. It is as
effective as you are willing to make it. One of the last instructions in the
initial course, in order to gain CC is, *don't do anything you know is wrong*.
Most people can't even *begin* to live up to that instruction.
I was into the 5-8 year plan myself in the beginning but eventually realized
that was just a hook in the jaw to reel you in, as are the rest of the
*programs*. Real yoga requires many births with steady progress along the way.
Best to learn to walk before you try running, patience Grasshopper! There is a
story in one of the Upanishads in which a shishya asks his master how much
longer to gain enlightenment.The master said "see the leaves of this great tree
that we sit under? One life time for every leaf." The shishya, seeing tens of
thousands of leaves, was elated that at last, the end to the endless cycle of
birth and death was in view.
Krishna said "only after many lives of this practice does one come to Me" Of
course M had to weasel his way around that by saying it meant after many
experiences of transcending, not births. He admitted that it was a verse that
discouraged people from even trying.The duty of a master is to encourage the
disciple. That has been M's goal all along. The carrot and the stick. Let them
think enlightenment is just around the corner. And maybe it is for a person or
two.
From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting
And at the end of the day, TM is still just "yoga lite." Folks need
to try the real stuff. ;-)
On 05/11/2016 05:14 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
I have to agree here. Nobody, at least on this forum, knows everything
Guru Dev taught. He was said to be a master of all yogas.I feel pretty
confident that even Maharishi would admit that he didn't know everything Guru
Dev knew. BTW, it's said that Maharishi gave entirely different mantras to
Indians based on their family deity, at least at one time.
From: "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 8:29 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting
You are merely speculating about a topic you don't know anything about
- without sufficient information at hand.
I received a mantra with omkara from SSRS in 1998. I asked a Sankhya-Yoga
scholar (a former TM teacher) about it and he pointed out that it was a
traditional polysyllabic maha-mantra and was perfectly acceptable in the view
of the Shankaracharya tradition (sampradaya).
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting
nope you are the one making pronouncements without knowing what he is talking about. I even know the method he uses to assign the mantras. You might be considered by that person to be someone who can get the OM mantra, but Sri Sri gives them out to anyone , woman , householder, do a little research before you write and you would know. Stop misleading people in matters of greatest importance. Brahmanada Saraswati's opposition to giving OM to such people was very open and well known. here are the words of Brahmananda Saraswati: "The Mantras of the Sanyasi have a destructive effect in the material field of life, whereas the Mantras suited to the householder envisage constructive values also. "Om" is the Mantra for the Sanyasi. The Sanyasi repeats "Om" "Om" "Om". It is given to him at the time of 'Sanyas - Diksha', at the time when he has completely renounced attachment to the world. Renunciation and detachment increase with the repetition of 'Om'. 'Om' is chanted aloud by a Sanyasi to put on end to his desires. Desires are destroyed by loudly chanting the mantra 'Om'. And if there is any desire deeply rooted in the mind of a Sanyasi, the chanting of 'Om' will result in the destruction of the object of such desire in order to make the Sanyasi, wholly desireless. The Sanyasi thus attains Peace through the renunciation and destruction of desires, whereas the peace comes to the householder when his needs are satisfied, when his desires are fulfilled. The mantras for the householders have the effect of fulfilling the desires. If unfortunately, the householder begins to repeat the pranava Mantra viz. 'Om', 'Om' 'Om' he experiences destructive effects in his material life. The effect starts with monetary loss and then goes on to destroy objects of affection, one by one. Such a man, when he finds loss of money and separation from the dear ones, he is reduced to utter peacelessness and frustration. Where is the chance of spiritual development or experience of Peace and happiness for such a dejected soul? The path of peacelessness and misery in the world, cannot lead to Eternal happiness. If the man is proceeding towards Eternal happiness every day he should feel the increase of peace and happiness, and this alone will assure him that he is proceeding towards abiding peace and eternal happiness. If you walk towards the light you should be able to feel the increase of light at every step. If you are spending some time in devotion to God, you should feel peace and happiness in life. If you are not feeling peace and happiness you should be wise enough to doubt the correctness of your devotion, you should be wise enough to think that your method of devotion is wrong, that the Mantras that you are repeating do not suit you. The mantras that suit the Sanyasis can never suit the householders. Hundreds of God-loving and God-fearing families, have been ruined due to the destructive effects of Sanyasa Mantra viz. "Om". "Om" destroys desires and also destroys the objects of desires and therefore it produces calmness of mind and renunciation and detachment from material life only to Sanyasis when they repeat Om; to them it brings the experience of peace of mind and from this experience they generally recommend the chanting of 'Om' to their followers. But when a householder repeats 'Om', he experiences that as long as he is repeating 'Om' he feels peace of mind, but when he comes out to indulge in business or household work, he finds he finds that the air is against his desire and schemes. The silencing effect on the mind and destructive effects in material life, both are lived side by side. Some people say that we should ignore material life in regard to the devotional practices and Mantras. But this is a fool's ideology. Can you possibly ignore the considerations of material life, when the Mantras do affect it? Select a path which will make you happier in your material life also. Do not live in a fool's paradise. Do not think that your sufferings and miseries of today will work as reservations in the galleries of heaven for tomorrow. Be peaceful and happy in the present and try to make this state permanent. This is the path of Deliverance in Life Jeevan-Mukti, the most exalted state in human existence, the state of abiding Peace and Eternal Bliss. And this you are entitled to have through correct and suitable Sadhana. And because the Mantras play an important role in the field of Sadhana, you must be very very careful in the selection of the Mantra. The theory of Mantras is the theory of sound. It is most scientific and natural. Ladies should never repeat any Mantra beginning with Om. The pronunciation of Om is like fire to the ladies. This is the practical experience of many devoted ladies who repeated 'Om Namah Shivaya' or 'Om Namonarayanaya' or 'Om Namo Bhagawate Vasudevaya' or any such mantra beginning with Om. It cannot be God's wish that you should suffer in
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting
It doesn't take many lifetimes, it takes a proper teacher who is qualified to teach it: an acharya. That said, some here may have been practicing sadhana for many lifetimes anyway. On 05/11/2016 09:04 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: It may be *yoga lite*, but I doubt many westerners are really ready for the *yoga heavy*. Maharishi was offering something for the masses. It is as effective as you are willing to make it. One of the last instructions in the initial course, in order to gain CC is, *don't do anything you know is wrong*. Most people can't even *begin* to live up to that instruction. I was into the 5-8 year plan myself in the beginning but eventually realized that was just a hook in the jaw to reel you in, as are the rest of the *programs*. Real yoga requires many births with steady progress along the way. Best to learn to walk before you try running, patience Grasshopper! There is a story in one of the Upanishads in which a shishya asks his master how much longer to gain enlightenment.The master said "see the leaves of this great tree that we sit under? One life time for every leaf." The shishya, seeing tens of thousands of leaves, was elated that at last, the end to the endless cycle of birth and death was in view. Krishna said "only after many lives of this practice does one come to Me" Of course M had to weasel his way around that by saying it meant after many experiences of transcending, not births. He admitted that it was a verse that discouraged people from even trying.The duty of a master is to encourage the disciple. That has been M's goal all along. The carrot and the stick. Let them think enlightenment is just around the corner. And maybe it is for a person or two. *From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, May 11, 2016 10:25 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting And at the end of the day, TM is still just "yoga lite." Folks need to try the real stuff. ;-) On 05/11/2016 05:14 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com <mailto:mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> [FairfieldLife] wrote: I have to agree here. Nobody, at least on this forum, knows everything Guru Dev taught. He was said to be a master of all yogas.I feel pretty confident that even Maharishi would admit that he didn't know everything Guru Dev knew. BTW, it's said that Maharishi gave entirely different mantras to Indians based on their family deity, at least at one time. *From:* "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <mailto:emptyb...@yahoo.com[FairfieldLife]> <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 10, 2016 8:29 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting You are merely speculating about a topic you don't know anything about - without sufficient information at hand. I received a mantra with omkara from SSRS in 1998. I asked a Sankhya-Yoga scholar (a former TM teacher) about it and he pointed out that it was a traditional polysyllabic maha-mantra and was perfectly acceptable in the view of the Shankaracharya tradition (sampradaya).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : It may be *yoga lite*, but I doubt many westerners are really ready for the *yoga heavy*. Maharishi was offering something for the masses. It is as effective as you are willing to make it. One of the last instructions in the initial course, in order to gain CC is, *don't do anything you know is wrong*. Most people can't even *begin* to live up to that instruction. I was into the 5-8 year plan myself in the beginning but eventually realized that was just a hook in the jaw to reel you in, as are the rest of the *programs*. Real yoga requires many births with steady progress along the way. Best to learn to walk before you try running, patience Grasshopper! There is a story in one of the Upanishads in which a shishya asks his master how much longer to gain enlightenment.The master said "see the leaves of this great tree that we sit under? One life time for every leaf." The shishya, seeing tens of thousands of leaves, was elated that at last, the end to the endless cycle of birth and death was in view. Krishna said "only after many lives of this practice does one come to Me" Of course M had to weasel his way around that by saying it meant after many experiences of transcending, not births. He admitted that it was a verse that discouraged people from even trying.The duty of a master is to encourage the disciple. That has been M's goal all along. The carrot and the stick. Let them think enlightenment is just around the corner. And maybe it is for a person or two. That's why you better enjoy the ride because it is a long time getting there. Funny about that saying you mention above about not doing anything you know, in your heart, to be wrong. That is one thing that has really stuck with me all these years and I do try and live by that and I have mentioned the wisdom of that to many who never heard of MMY. I didn't mention it was his saying/philosophy but the words themselves are profound and important - as simple or as obvious as they may sound. From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting And at the end of the day, TM is still just "yoga lite." Folks need to try the real stuff. ;-) On 05/11/2016 05:14 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I have to agree here. Nobody, at least on this forum, knows everything Guru Dev taught. He was said to be a master of all yogas.I feel pretty confident that even Maharishi would admit that he didn't know everything Guru Dev knew. BTW, it's said that Maharishi gave entirely different mantras to Indians based on their family deity, at least at one time. From: "emptybill@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:emptybill@...[FairfieldLife] <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 8:29 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting You are merely speculating about a topic you don't know anything about - without sufficient information at hand. I received a mantra with omkara from SSRS in 1998. I asked a Sankhya-Yoga scholar (a former TM teacher) about it and he pointed out that it was a traditional polysyllabic maha-mantra and was perfectly acceptable in the view of the Shankaracharya tradition (sampradaya).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting
It may be *yoga lite*, but I doubt many westerners are really ready for the
*yoga heavy*. Maharishi was offering something for the masses. It is as
effective as you are willing to make it. One of the last instructions in the
initial course, in order to gain CC is, *don't do anything you know is wrong*.
Most people can't even *begin* to live up to that instruction.
I was into the 5-8 year plan myself in the beginning but eventually realized
that was just a hook in the jaw to reel you in, as are the rest of the
*programs*. Real yoga requires many births with steady progress along the way.
Best to learn to walk before you try running, patience Grasshopper!There is a
story in one of the Upanishads in which a shishya asks his master how much
longer to gain enlightenment.The master said "see the leaves of this great tree
that we sit under? One life time for every leaf." The shishya, seeing tens of
thousands of leaves, was elated that at last, the end to the endless cycle of
birth and death was in view.
Krishna said "only after many lives of this practice does one come to Me" Of
course M had to weasel his way around that by saying it meant after many
experiences of transcending, not births. He admitted that it was a verse that
discouraged people from even trying.The duty of a master is to encourage the
disciple. That has been M's goal all along. The carrot and the stick. Let them
think enlightenment is just around the corner. And maybe it is for a person or
two.
From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting
And at the end of the day, TM is still just "yoga lite." Folks need to
try the real stuff. ;-)
On 05/11/2016 05:14 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
I have to agree here. Nobody, at least on this forum, knows everything
Guru Dev taught. He was said to be a master of all yogas.I feel pretty
confident that even Maharishi would admit that he didn't know everything Guru
Dev knew. BTW, it's said that Maharishi gave entirely different mantras to
Indians based on their family deity, at least at one time.
From: "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 8:29 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting
You are merely speculating about a topic you don't know anything about
- without sufficient information at hand.
I received a mantra with omkara from SSRS in 1998. I asked a Sankhya-Yoga
scholar (a former TM teacher) about it and he pointed out that it was a
traditional polysyllabic maha-mantra and was perfectly acceptable in the view
of the Shankaracharya tradition (sampradaya).
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting
And at the end of the day, TM is still just "yoga lite." Folks need to try the real stuff. ;-) On 05/11/2016 05:14 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I have to agree here. Nobody, at least on this forum, knows everything Guru Dev taught. He was said to be a master of all yogas.I feel pretty confident that even Maharishi would admit that he didn't know everything Guru Dev knew. BTW, it's said that Maharishi gave entirely different mantras to Indians based on their family deity, at least at one time. *From:* "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 10, 2016 8:29 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting You are merely speculating about a topic you don't know anything about - without sufficient information at hand. I received a mantra with omkara from SSRS in 1998. I asked a Sankhya-Yoga scholar (a former TM teacher) about it and he pointed out that it was a traditional polysyllabic maha-mantra and was perfectly acceptable in the view of the Shankaracharya tradition (sampradaya).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting
I have to agree here. Nobody, at least on this forum, knows everything Guru Dev
taught. He was said to be a master of all yogas.I feel pretty confident that
even Maharishi would admit that he didn't know everything Guru Dev knew. BTW,
it's said that Maharishi gave entirely different mantras to Indians based on
their family deity, at least at one time.
From: "emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 8:29 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting
You are merely speculating about a topic you don't know anything about -
without sufficient information at hand.
I received a mantra with omkara from SSRS in 1998. I asked a Sankhya-Yoga
scholar (a former TM teacher) about it and he pointed out that it was a
traditional polysyllabic maha-mantra and was perfectly acceptable in the view
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting
You are merely speculating about a topic you don't know anything about - without sufficient information at hand. I received a mantra with omkara from SSRS in 1998. I asked a Sankhya-Yoga scholar (a former TM teacher) about it and he pointed out that it was a traditional polysyllabic maha-mantra and was perfectly acceptable in the view of the Shankaracharya tradition (sampradaya).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Group chanting
Sri Sri likes to picture himself at the feet of Brahmananada Sarawati, but does not seem at all concerned about Brahmananda's prohibitions on the use of OM. I guess no surprise since he never actually met him.
