[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya...Origins?
Comments interspersed Are you suggesting that one should believe that worship of Sri Vidya didn't start until this point in time and that it started as a Buddhist practice? Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not a belief, it's history - the Sri Vidya cult arose at about the same time as the Bengali Shajiyas and the eighty-four mahasiddhas. The Nath cult is the Western Transmission of the Tantric Buddhists - first to Kashmere, then to Tibet, and later to South India. So you are saying that the practice of this knowledge of Sri Vidya didn't exist prior? Lord Hayagriva at the command of Lalita Devi gave this knowledge of Sri Vidya to Rishi Agastya and was made responsible for revealing TRUE WORSHIP of Mother through it. Rishi Agastya taught the Sri Vidya to Guadapada, who passed it on to Govinda, who taught it to Shankara who installed the Sri Chakra and then composed the Saundaryalari for our understanding. There is no higher knowledge that Sri Vidya, the Auspicious Wisdom. No higher knowledge, indeed. Sri Mata Rajarajeshwari rules it. http://www.dattapeetham.com/india/tours/2003/vijayawada_devi_temple/feb6/feb6.html According to Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji of Mysore, India Liberation from the cycle of birth and death does not result through Tantra practices. All the Shankaracharyas practice tantric techniques. We do not know exactly why or when the Shankarites adopted Shaktism, we only know that at some point in time, they did so. There is someone who knows. The tantras are for everyone they are the only means of liberation in this age. Strong statement. Believe what you will. The only means of liberation is the Grace of Guru. Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji of Mysore, India is revered throughout India and by Shankaracharyas as well as the foremost exponent of Sri Vidya and Worship of Mother. From His mouth these ears heard the following words,Practice of tantra keeps one tied to the earth, Swamiji's way is Vedic way not tantric. http://www.dattapeetham.com/india/festivals/navaratri2003/navaratri2003.html He has put the entire knowledge of Sri Chakra into the cd entitled Tripura for everyone to benefit. It is beautiful. People nowadays can't read or write Sanskrit and thus they can't access the scriptures; This is not true. real gurus are hard to find; This is true. REAL gurus find their devotees at the proper time. and hardly anyone gets a shaktipat anymore; all we have now are the tantric techniques. Again believe what you will. So, from the above observations, it is probable that Guru Dev meditated on bija-mantras contained within the Sri Yantra, a diagram or mnemonic device for transcending. Does anyone here really believe that Sri Brahmananda Saraswati Jagadguru of Jyotir Math as the living example of Veda had to meditate on anything? Everyone meditates on something - that's why they call it meditation. Point is what is to meditate upon when Fullness is the reality? Then again, what do I know. But we have an eyewitness account, Swami Rama of the Himalayas, who met Brahmanand Saraswati in the Vindhya mountains one time. In his book, Living With the Himalayan Masters, Swami Rama recounts how Brahmananda showed him a Sri Yantra and explained the Sri Vidya to him. So, we have an eyewitness account by Swami Rama; we have the fact that Brahmanand's guru was Swami Krishanand Saraswati of Sringeri; we have the fact that the Sringeri matha, founded by Shankara, is the seat of the Sri Chakra; and we have the Saundaryalahari composed by Shankaracharya, which describes the worship of Tripurasundari and enumerates the Sri Vidya bija-mantras. So, yes I do believe, based on the available evidence, that Swami Brahmanand Saraswati probably meditated on the Sri Chakra, just like all of the other Dasanamai Saraswati Sannyasins do. This I do not doubt. Does it mean that an ordinary Joe gains liberation from performing this puja? It is doubtful that anyone but these swamis can properly perform such, and if a Joe attempted would likely bring about more disasterous results than positive. Here is a verse from Shankara's Guru Ashtakam with commentary from Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji Shadangaadhi Vedo Mukhe Shastra Vidhyaa Kavitva aadhi Gadhyam Supadhyam Karoti Guro Ranghri Padme Manasche Na Lagnam Tatah kim Tatah kim Tatah kim Tatah kim Shadangas, Vedas, Shastras, many studies are on the tip of one's tongue. He can lecture on them eloquently. He can instantaneously say poetry. He gets many praises and titles. His mind doesn't set at the feet of Guru. Then what is the use? All these are a waste. Hari Om Tat Sat Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya...Origins?
So you are saying that the practice of this knowledge of Sri Vidya didn't exist prior? Sri Vidya, the Audicious Wisdom, has existed since the dawn of human conciousness, however as a tantric cult it dates from the eight century in India durng the time of the Sahajyas and mahasiddhas. The only means of liberation is the Grace of Guru. That's tantra - but it's very difficult to find a true guru in this age, that's why the tantras were prepared and desciminated. From His mouth these ears heard the following words,Practice of tantra keeps one tied to the earth, Swamiji's way is Vedic way not tantric. So, Swamiji doesn't agree with the Shankaracharya of Sringeri? People nowadays can't read or write Sanskrit and thus they can't access the scriptures; This is not true. So you're a Sanskrit reader and you can read the tantras. Why then would you need a guru if you're already literate? real gurus are hard to find; This is true. REAL gurus find their devotees at the proper time. and hardly anyone gets a shaktipat anymore; all we have now are the tantric techniques. Again believe what you will. Everyone meditates on something - that's why they call it meditation. Point is what is to meditate upon when Fullness is the reality? According to Shankaracharya of Sringeri, sadhaks should meditate on the Sri Vidya bija-mantras. Then again, what do I know. So, yes I do believe, based on the available evidence, that Swami Brahmanand Saraswati probably meditated on the Sri Chakra, just like all of the other Dasanamai Saraswati Sannyasins do. This I do not doubt. Does it mean that an ordinary Joe gains liberation from performing this puja? Meditation and puja or any other technique does not bring liberation - they only provide the opportunity for transcending. It is doubtful that anyone but these swamis can properly perform such, and if a Joe attempted would likely bring about more disasterous results than positive. Anyone who can think can meditate using the tantric bija-mantras. His mind doesn't set at the feet of Guru. Then what is the use? All these are a waste. Most of us don't live in India, therefore we can't sit at the feet of your Swamiji and get the shaktipat. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya...Origins?
The only means of liberation is the Grace of Guru. Believe what you will. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya...Origins?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you are saying that the practice of this knowledge of Sri Vidya didn't exist prior? Sri Vidya, the Audicious Wisdom, has existed since the dawn of human conciousness, however as a tantric cult it dates from the eight century in India durng the time of the Sahajyas and mahasiddhas. The only means of liberation is the Grace of Guru. That's tantra - but it's very difficult to find a true guru in this age, that's why the tantras were prepared and desciminated. There is a TRUE guru walking the planet. The Adiguru Lord Dattatreya's Avatara Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji. Greater scholars than those perported in this forum have attempted to prove otherwise. Wanna make and attempt? Dattatreya must be familiar to you? From His mouth these ears heard the following words,Practice of tantra keeps one tied to the earth, Swamiji's way is Vedic way not tantric. So, Swamiji doesn't agree with the Shankaracharya of Sringeri? You can read for yourself what the Shankaracharya of Sringeri said when the Shankaracharya visited Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji in Mysore. Note who visited who. http://www.dattapeetham.com/india/latest/2002/april/sringeri/report.htm People nowadays can't read or write Sanskrit and thus they can't access the scriptures; This is not true. So you're a Sanskrit reader and you can read the tantras. Why then would you need a guru if you're already literate? The answer I gave does not make the claim that I could read Sanskrit. I do see written above your claim that people can't read it. According to Shankara one needs initiation from Guru in order to gain liberation. real gurus are hard to find; This is true. REAL gurus find their devotees at the proper time. and hardly anyone gets a shaktipat anymore; all we have now are the tantric techniques. Again believe what you will. Everyone meditates on something - that's why they call it meditation. Point is what is to meditate upon when Fullness is the reality? According to Shankaracharya of Sringeri, sadhaks should meditate on the Sri Vidya bija-mantras. I thought we were talking about Sri Brahamananda Saraswati's meditations. No denial about the sadhakas. Then again, what do I know. So, yes I do believe, based on the available evidence, that Swami Brahmanand Saraswati probably meditated on the Sri Chakra, just like all of the other Dasanamai Saraswati Sannyasins do. This I do not doubt. Does it mean that an ordinary Joe gains liberation from performing this puja? Meditation and puja or any other technique does not bring liberation - they only provide the opportunity for transcending. It is doubtful that anyone but these swamis can properly perform such, and if a Joe attempted would likely bring about more disasterous results than positive. Anyone who can think can meditate using the tantric bija-mantras. Again, the point was about proper (improper) performance of puja and not meditating. His mind doesn't set at the feet of Guru. Then what is the use? All these are a waste. Most of us don't live in India, therefore we can't sit at the feet of your Swamiji and get the shaktipat. Your statement is a very revealing one. Guru cannot be limited to the physical form. The sloka says: His mind doesn't set at the feet of Guru. Sri Swamiji has been around the world over 65 times. It wasn't in India where He became available to this sadhaka. He is available through His music and thousands of songs containing these bijas to which you refer. His music is most beautiful, His voice divine, so many songs to Devi. Tantra...Veda... the line is definitely very very thin. Dattatreya's ways are very tricky and not for everyone. Jaya Guru Datta Hari Om Tat Sat Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya...Origins?
As wonderful as that quote used to sound, my gut response now is, And would it possibly have been a Guru who wrote that? Then, Was he asking for donations in the next breath? Sorry - the universe is too vast for there to be an only means. And the Divine is too compassionate for there to be just one way. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tazarmfune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only means of liberation is the Grace of Guru. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya...Origins?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As wonderful as that quote used to sound, my gut response now is, And would it possibly have been a Guru who wrote that? Then, Was he asking for donations in the next breath? Sorry - the universe is too vast for there to be an only means. And the Divine is too compassionate for there to be just one way. Well said. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tazarmfune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only means of liberation is the Grace of Guru. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya...Origins?
Are you suggesting that one should believe that worship of Sri Vidya didn't start until this point in time and that it started as a Buddhist practice? It's not a belief, it's history - the Sri Vidya cult arose at about the same time as the Bengali Shajiyas and the eighty-four mahasiddhas. The Nath cult is the Western Transmission of the Tantric Buddhists - first to Kashmere, then to Tibet, and later to South India. Lord Hayagriva at the command of Lalita Devi gave this knowledge of Sri Vidya to Rishi Agastya and was made responsible for revealing TRUE WORSHIP of Mother through it. Rishi Agastya taught the Sri Vidya to Guadapada, who passed it on to Govinda, who taught it to Shankara who installed the Sri Chakra and then composed the Saundaryalari for our understanding. There is no higher knowledge that Sri Vidya, the Auspicious Wisdom. According to Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji of Mysore, India Liberation from the cycle of birth and death does not result through Tantra practices. All the Shankaracharyas practice tantric techniques. We do not know exactly why or when the Shankarites adopted Shaktism, we only know that at some point in time, they did so. The tantras are for everyone - they are the only means of liberation in this age. People nowadays can't read or write Sanskrit and thus they can't access the scriptures; real gurus are hard to find; and hardly anyone gets a shaktipat anymore; all we have now are the tantric techniques. So, from the above observations, it is probable that Guru Dev meditated on bija-mantras contained within the Sri Yantra, a diagram or mnemonic device for transcending. Does anyone here really believe that Sri Brahmananda Saraswati Jagadguru of Jyotir Math as the living example of Veda had to meditate on anything? Everyone meditates on something - that's why they call it meditation. But we have an eyewitness account, Swami Rama of the Himalayas, who met Brahmanand Saraswati in the Vindhya mountains one time. In his book, Living With the Himalayan Masters, Swami Rama recounts how Brahmananda showed him a Sri Yantra and explained the Sri Vidya to him. So, we have an eyewitness account by Swami Rama; we have the fact that Brahmanand's guru was Swami Krishanand Saraswati of Sringeri; we have the fact that the Sringeri matha, founded by Shankara, is the seat of the Sri Chakra; and we have the Saundaryalahari composed by Shankaracharya, which describes the worship of Tripurasundari and enumerates the Sri Vidya bija-mantras. So, yes I do believe, based on the available evidence, that Swami Brahmanand Saraswati probably meditated on the Sri Chakra, just like all of the other Dasanamai Saraswati Sannyasins do. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
