[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid - ME, large numbers, $$$
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:20 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 8, 2006, at 8:29 PM, sparaig wrote: The ME theory is a large numbers theory. The crime rate of Fairfield could be skewed by having a single pickpocket living among the sidhas. For that matter, the traffic accident rate during the Taste of Utopia course could go up because the town's adult population more than doubled (tripled) during that time. To accurately measure the predicted claims of the ME, you would need a much larger statistical sample population for them to effect than Fairfield, IA, like Washington, DC. Just another TB rationalization to avoid accepting the obvious. Not real familiar with statistical principles, are you? Trained in advanced statistics...does that count? The variables he mentioned could be accounted for--and the TMO is certainly adept at number crunching and ambiguation. The fact that Crystal Meth is on the increase in the areas all around FF might be harder to hide. Maybe attracting factory Hog Farms is actually what CCP's do? Like mosquitoes to a light bulb? While the ME is an interesting hypothesis, that's all it really is at this point. Since repetition of these studies seems rather unlikely, it most likely will just remain fringe- or pseudo-science. But for some people it will be hard to let go of these dreams of glory daze and rising sunshine. The purported math behind the ME has been clearly expressed 10,000 times - the square root of 1% of any given population. That's not a large number theory - it means it's easier to achieve the effect for large populations that you would think because a square root is involved. When group program was established here it was always stated that it would have the greatest effect here locally - it was never stated that it would only have an effect nationally, and not any effect locally, due to some large number theory. So anyway, when did hagelin or anyone say DC was a big enough sample but not fairfield (or apparently any of the original 1% cities)? What exactly is the stated minimize size? It's all irrelevant anyhoo ... the tmo moved away from standard ME theory and into the miracle of pundits a long time ago, and is now moving away from the miracle on pundits and into rebuilding the world with east facing rectangles as the solution to all problems. Just listen to the jan 12 broadcasts and you'll see. Whatever you think of ME as a theory, it's on the way out in the tmo because the tmo raised a gadzillion dollars over the past 20 yrs and still didn't spend a fraction of it to establish a ME group that could have solved all the problems in the world according to ME theory. That's just raised too much doubt in people's minds for it to continue being a bona fide fund-raising approach anymore. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid - ME, large numbers, $$$
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:20 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 8, 2006, at 8:29 PM, sparaig wrote: The ME theory is a large numbers theory. The crime rate of Fairfield could be skewed by having a single pickpocket living among the sidhas. For that matter, the traffic accident rate during the Taste of Utopia course could go up because the town's adult population more than doubled (tripled) during that time. To accurately measure the predicted claims of the ME, you would need a much larger statistical sample population for them to effect than Fairfield, IA, like Washington, DC. Just another TB rationalization to avoid accepting the obvious. Not real familiar with statistical principles, are you? Trained in advanced statistics...does that count? The variables he mentioned could be accounted for--and the TMO is certainly adept at number crunching and ambiguation. The fact that Crystal Meth is on the increase in the areas all around FF might be harder to hide. Maybe attracting factory Hog Farms is actually what CCP's do? Like mosquitoes to a light bulb? While the ME is an interesting hypothesis, that's all it really is at this point. Since repetition of these studies seems rather unlikely, it most likely will just remain fringe- or pseudo-science. But for some people it will be hard to let go of these dreams of glory daze and rising sunshine. The purported math behind the ME has been clearly expressed 10,000 times - the square root of 1% of any given population. That's not a large number theory - it means it's easier to achieve the effect for large populations that you would think because a square root is involved. When group program was established here it was always stated that it would have the greatest effect here locally - it was never stated that it would only have an effect nationally, and not any effect locally, due to some large number theory. So anyway, when did hagelin or anyone say DC was a big enough sample but not fairfield (or apparently any of the original 1% cities)? What exactly is the stated minimize size? You're missing the point. While the ME might have the greatest effect locally, the effect might also be most easily swamped by local variations that overwhelm the slight effects that you might see from the ME. Let's consider the case of 1 person doing Yogic FLying. OBviously, Yogic Flying will have the greatest effect on that person, rather than on the people arround him. For the ME to work as you suggest, that 1 person should overwhelm the negativity of 10,000 people since 1% of 10,000 is 100, and 1% of 100 is 1. Of course, the TMO has NEVER claimed that one person alone doing Yogic Flying is going to have a measureable effect on 10,000 people, so your intuition is wrong. It's all irrelevant anyhoo ... the tmo moved away from standard ME theory and into the miracle of pundits a long time ago, and is now moving away from the miracle on pundits and into rebuilding the world with east facing rectangles as the solution to all problems. Just listen to the jan 12 broadcasts and you'll see. That might all be. That doesn't change any aspect of what was claimed for the ME and, as far as I know, is still being claimed for the ME. Whatever you think of ME as a theory, it's on the way out in the tmo because the tmo raised a gadzillion dollars over the past 20 yrs and still didn't spend a fraction of it to establish a ME group that could have solved all the problems in the world according to ME theory. That's just raised too much doubt in people's minds for it to continue being a bona fide fund-raising approach anymore. That might be also. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid - ME, large numbers, $$$
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] rather than on the people arround him. For the ME to work as you suggest, that 1 person should overwhelm the negativity of 10,000 people since 1% of 10,000 is 100, and 1% of 100 is 1. the SQUAREROOT of 10,000 is 100,and 1% of 100 is 1... Sigh... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid - ME, large numbers, $$$
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] rather than on the people arround him. For the ME to work as you suggest, that 1 person should overwhelm the negativity of 10,000 people since 1% of 10,000 is 100, and 1% of 100 is 1. the SQUAREROOT of 10,000 is 100,and 1% of 100 is 1... Sigh... Double-sigh, 1% of 10,000 is 100, and the squareroot of 100 is 10... Analysis still holds: 10 yogic flyers in a group having a measureable effect on the 10,000 has never been claimed by the TMO. LIkewise, the single yogic flyer having a measureable effect on 100 people around him has never been claimed either. [1% of 100 is 1. The squareroot of 1 is 1] It's a big-number theory as I have said. I believe they were talking in terms of 100 yogic fliers having a noticable effect on the surrounding population, which translates back into a minimum population of 1 million people as the smallest population size that one might expect to find a reliably measureable ME for. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid - ME, large numbers, $$$
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a big-number theory as I have said. I believe they were talking in terms of 100 yogic fliers having a noticable effect on the surrounding population, which translates back into a minimum population of 1 million people as the smallest population size that one might expect to find a reliably measureable ME for. Fairfield had over 10% of its population - over 1,000 sidhas - doing group program for many many years. According to the ME theory, that's enough to influence 100 million, but even the immediate town of 10,000 and state of a few million were not influenced significantly. Actually the economy of the town turned south after companies like telegroup and globallink moved into new s-ved buildings and soon collapsed. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting Hagelin factoid - ME, large numbers, $$$
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a big-number theory as I have said. I believe they were talking in terms of 100 yogic fliers having a noticable effect on the surrounding population, which translates back into a minimum population of 1 million people as the smallest population size that one might expect to find a reliably measureable ME for. Fairfield had over 10% of its population - over 1,000 sidhas - doing group program for many many years. According to the ME theory, that's enough to influence 100 million, but even the immediate town of 10,000 and state of a few million were not influenced significantly. Actually the economy of the town turned south after companies like telegroup and globallink moved into new s-ved buildings and soon collapsed. Bad timing for expansion (new facilities). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
