[FairfieldLife] Re: Issue: Do all scientists who conduct research on the Transcendental Meditation program practice the technique?

2017-10-27 Thread emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
If you click on "show message history" at the bottom of the message you are 
replying to, then we can see which person you are replying to.   

 If you are replying to me, I ask you the following question:
 

 Why are you meditating?  Not, why do you do TM.  Rather, what inspires you to 
meditate? 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 you might want to try to read and understand what I have posted from David 
Orme Johnson, as you obviously don't really understand . Truth is not something 
subjective. Scientific truth isn't. I am sorry you want everyone to be right or 
all points of view to be equally valid. Reality doesn't work that way and you 
don't do anyone any service pretending otherwise.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Issue: Do all scientists who conduct research on the Transcendental Meditation program practice the technique?

2017-10-27 Thread emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
Re: "It would be interesting to get researchers of the different schools of 
meditation from their varying points of view (bias?) together in the same room 
talking together in considerate ways." 

 It's hard to believe this hasn't happened! "Interfaith dialogue" is the wave 
of the future.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 fair writing, emily.mae.. 
 It would be interesting to get researchers of the different schools of 
meditation from their varying points of view (bias?) together in the same room 
talking together in considerate ways.   TM’ers seemed to have tried to 
strategically co-opt the whole by framing around global alpha-wave coherence as 
some standard placing everything else as shit. Meditation scientists 
entrenching on all sides are seeming defended in their camps.   
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, nowhere do I see the four Ph.D's that you clipped from TM websites!  So, 
I guess one might say that those statements are not "independent" ones!  That's 
what I supposed.   

 I'm always in favor of digging deeper into a claim, so am happy to see you 
doing that.  
 

 Now, why are we having this discussion? 
 

 As I've said, I'm for any practice that works to give the person what they're 
looking for.  Be it freedom from stress, greater mental clarity, solace in 
believing one is helping to achieve world peace, etc.   
 

 You don't need to prove to me that TM is a viable meditation technique.  I 
believe you.
 

 I also believe Mindfulness is.  
 

 http://www.fammed.wisc.edu/mindfulness/research/ 
http://www.fammed.wisc.edu/mindfulness/research/

 

 Here's one research paper with sources listed.
 

 http://marc.ucla.edu/workfiles/pdfs/marc-mindfulness-research-summary.pdf 
http://marc.ucla.edu/workfiles/pdfs/marc-mindfulness-research-summary.pdf  
 

 And, about mindfulness in schools...
 

 http://www.mindfulschools.org/about-mindfulness/research/ 
http://www.mindfulschools.org/about-mindfulness/research/

 

 Sounds a whole lot like what TM is purporting to do.  In the end, while I 
understand that those in the TM village believe TM is the bestI play the 
devil's advocate.  TM is expensive.  "Awakening" and/or "enlightenment" can 
take decades to occur or never occur.  I am not sold on the TM program as a 
pathway to a mature "emotional intelligence." (In most, not all cases.)  I am 
not encouraged by the non-stop solicitation by the TMorg for money.  I am not a 
follower of MMY and am not clear that ultimately, "separation of church and 
state" would be smiled upon by the TM structure. 
 

 In the textbooks on comparative religion I have read, one thing that jumps out 
to me is that every culture, religion, philosophy and/or practice has a 
language and a way of perceiving and translating the world and the universe.  
While many wars are fought over these micro-differences paired with righteous 
indignation, the spiritual themes and values that are contemplated—in an 
attempt to understand the universe, the human condition and live out a 
worthwhile life in relative peace and happiness—are the same down through the 
ages by all cultures.  
 TM.org and many TM'ers seem to spend an inordinate amount of time focusing on 
what makes them so exceptionalexceptionalism.  Perhaps, TM is just another 
meditation technique.  Maybe TM has certain strengths others don't and certain 
weaknesses others don't.  Perhaps the reason the TM.org needs and fosters this 
characteristic of exceptionalism, is so that it will survive (on its own 
terms.)   I'm not knocking you or TM or the passion with which you practice or 
your belief system.  I'm just hoping you keep an open mind to the idea that 
while TM might be your own personal choice for meditation, your neighbor might 
find deep meditative fulfillment in fly-fishing.  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

[FairfieldLife] Re: Issue: Do all scientists who conduct research on the Transcendental Meditation program practice the technique?

2017-10-27 Thread srijau 
you might want to try to read and understand what I have posted from David Orme 
Johnson, as you obviously don't really understand . Truth is not something 
subjective. Scientific truth isn't. I am sorry you want everyone to be right or 
all points of view to be equally valid. Reality doesn't work that way and you 
don't do anyone any service pretending otherwise.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Issue: Do all scientists who conduct research on the Transcendental Meditation program practice the technique?

2017-10-27 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
fair writing, emily.mae.. 
 It would be interesting to get researchers of the different schools of 
meditation from their varying points of view (bias?) together in the same room 
talking together in considerate ways.   TM’ers seemed to have tried to 
strategically co-opt the whole by framing around global alpha-wave coherence as 
some standard placing everything else as shit. Meditation scientists 
entrenching on all sides are seeming defended in their camps.   
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, nowhere do I see the four Ph.D's that you clipped from TM websites!  So, 
I guess one might say that those statements are not "independent" ones!  That's 
what I supposed.   

 I'm always in favor of digging deeper into a claim, so am happy to see you 
doing that.  
 

 Now, why are we having this discussion? 
 

 As I've said, I'm for any practice that works to give the person what they're 
looking for.  Be it freedom from stress, greater mental clarity, solace in 
believing one is helping to achieve world peace, etc.   
 

 You don't need to prove to me that TM is a viable meditation technique.  I 
believe you.
 

 I also believe Mindfulness is.  
 

 http://www.fammed.wisc.edu/mindfulness/research/ 
http://www.fammed.wisc.edu/mindfulness/research/

 

 Here's one research paper with sources listed.
 

 http://marc.ucla.edu/workfiles/pdfs/marc-mindfulness-research-summary.pdf 
http://marc.ucla.edu/workfiles/pdfs/marc-mindfulness-research-summary.pdf  
 

 And, about mindfulness in schools...
 

 http://www.mindfulschools.org/about-mindfulness/research/ 
http://www.mindfulschools.org/about-mindfulness/research/

 

 Sounds a whole lot like what TM is purporting to do.  In the end, while I 
understand that those in the TM village believe TM is the bestI play the 
devil's advocate.  TM is expensive.  "Awakening" and/or "enlightenment" can 
take decades to occur or never occur.  I am not sold on the TM program as a 
pathway to a mature "emotional intelligence." (In most, not all cases.)  I am 
not encouraged by the non-stop solicitation by the TMorg for money.  I am not a 
follower of MMY and am not clear that ultimately, "separation of church and 
state" would be smiled upon by the TM structure. 
 

 In the textbooks on comparative religion I have read, one thing that jumps out 
to me is that every culture, religion, philosophy and/or practice has a 
language and a way of perceiving and translating the world and the universe.  
While many wars are fought over these micro-differences paired with righteous 
indignation, the spiritual themes and values that are contemplated—in an 
attempt to understand the universe, the human condition and live out a 
worthwhile life in relative peace and happiness—are the same down through the 
ages by all cultures.  
 TM.org and many TM'ers seem to spend an inordinate amount of time focusing on 
what makes them so exceptionalexceptionalism.  Perhaps, TM is just another 
meditation technique.  Maybe TM has certain strengths others don't and certain 
weaknesses others don't.  Perhaps the reason the TM.org needs and fosters this 
characteristic of exceptionalism, is so that it will survive (on its own 
terms.)   I'm not knocking you or TM or the passion with which you practice or 
your belief system.  I'm just hoping you keep an open mind to the idea that 
while TM might be your own personal choice for meditation, your neighbor might 
find deep meditative fulfillment in fly-fishing.  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

[FairfieldLife] Re: Issue: Do all scientists who conduct research on the Transcendental Meditation program practice the technique?

2017-10-25 Thread emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
Well, nowhere do I see the four Ph.D's that you clipped from TM websites!  So, 
I guess one might say that those statements are not "independent" ones!  That's 
what I supposed.   

 I'm always in favor of digging deeper into a claim, so am happy to see you 
doing that.  
 

 Now, why are we having this discussion? 
 

 As I've said, I'm for any practice that works to give the person what they're 
looking for.  Be it freedom from stress, greater mental clarity, solace in 
believing one is helping to achieve world peace, etc.   
 

 You don't need to prove to me that TM is a viable meditation technique.  I 
believe you.
 

 I also believe Mindfulness is.  
 

 http://www.fammed.wisc.edu/mindfulness/research/ 
http://www.fammed.wisc.edu/mindfulness/research/

 

 Here's one research paper with sources listed.
 

 http://marc.ucla.edu/workfiles/pdfs/marc-mindfulness-research-summary.pdf 
http://marc.ucla.edu/workfiles/pdfs/marc-mindfulness-research-summary.pdf  
 

 And, about mindfulness in schools...
 

 http://www.mindfulschools.org/about-mindfulness/research/ 
http://www.mindfulschools.org/about-mindfulness/research/

 

 Sounds a whole lot like what TM is purporting to do.  In the end, while I 
understand that those in the TM village believe TM is the bestI play the 
devil's advocate.  TM is expensive.  "Awakening" and/or "enlightenment" can 
take decades to occur or never occur.  I am not sold on the TM program as a 
pathway to a mature "emotional intelligence." (In most, not all cases.)  I am 
not encouraged by the non-stop solicitation by the TMorg for money.  I am not a 
follower of MMY and am not clear that ultimately, "separation of church and 
state" would be smiled upon by the TM structure. 
 

 In the textbooks on comparative religion I have read, one thing that jumps out 
to me is that every culture, religion, philosophy and/or practice has a 
language and a way of perceiving and translating the world and the universe.  
While many wars are fought over these micro-differences paired with righteous 
indignation, the spiritual themes and values that are contemplated—in an 
attempt to understand the universe, the human condition and live out a 
worthwhile life in relative peace and happiness—are the same down through the 
ages by all cultures.  
 TM.org and many TM'ers seem to spend an inordinate amount of time focusing on 
what makes them so exceptionalexceptionalism.  Perhaps, TM is just another 
meditation technique.  Maybe TM has certain strengths others don't and certain 
weaknesses others don't.  Perhaps the reason the TM.org needs and fosters this 
characteristic of exceptionalism, is so that it will survive (on its own 
terms.)   I'm not knocking you or TM or the passion with which you practice or 
your belief system.  I'm just hoping you keep an open mind to the idea that 
while TM might be your own personal choice for meditation, your neighbor might 
find deep meditative fulfillment in fly-fishing.  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :