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On 3/25/2014 7:48 PM, Share Long wrote: Richard, your family has FIVE generations alive! Got married to my first wife when I was twenty - two children, 1967-8. Go figure. Santa Rosa, CA: nice place to visit - let me know when it's finished! Wow! I can buy a home in Santa Rosa - median family homes are just $345,000. I could buy three nice houses in San Antonio for that much money. It's not complicated. [image: Inline image 1] 'Is this a good time to buy a home in Santa Rosa?' CNN Money: http://money.cnn.com/realestate/snapshots/http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/moneymag_realestate/2010/snapshots/384.html On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Richard, your family has FIVE generations alive! That's inspiring. Good luck to your Dad. Has he seen his great great grand children? On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:43 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/25/2014 11:08 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Just a waking state husband and wife, and 20 year old whose coming off the rails to some extent. You just wait, Steve, until you get some grand children to look after, then you'll be in a waking state! Mine are all grown up now, but it was a long time coming, it seemed like. Now it's just me and Rita sitting here in Santa Rosa looking after the great grand children - twins. We'll be out of here this weekend and back home again - I've got to drive Dad to the clinic so he can get a stint put in. It's complicated.
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Steve, acknowledging your investigative skills, I just realized how appropriate that Judy calls you Feebs, a nickname for the FBI. Go figure! On Monday, March 24, 2014 9:11 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey Judy, at this point, I think we have to give first place to Jim. After all, he did say that satellite data would be instrumental in finding the plane. Now evidently it was a little different than that technicalese that he offered up, but I'm giving that first place finish nonetheless. But, but, but, second place finish definitely goes to you, who stated there was some serious malfunction, lithium batteries I believe. I think your second place finish will hold no matter what. My wife's theory of plane landing in Pakistan or North Korea, way down the list. My theory of pilot suicide still has a chance, but not much. That's how I'm handicapping things at this point. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : You do know that the thinking among experts is now leaning strongly toward a serious technical malfunction aboard the plane that incapacitated both pilots, right? We have derive who the culprit is by elimination. It couldn't be the passengers or the attendant staff because they're locked out of the cockpit and more likely they can't fly the airplane. It couldn't be the pilot because he's an atheist, who IMO would rather live than die for a cause. That leaves the co-pilot, a supposedly devout Muslim, as the likely perpetrator of this crime. IMO he has the necessary sketch of someone who can kill himself and others for a certain reason or cause. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : We just can't understand how a plane could fly for seven hours with no communications. So, we are back to square one: why and how did the transponder get shut off? Go figure. Investigators are still trying to determine what happened to the plane after it took off around midnight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, headed for Beijing, China. It disappeared off the radar shortly after 1 a.m. but continued to fly, according to satellite data, for up to seven hours. Officials Say Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane 'Ended in the Southern Indian Ocean' http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: It's probably in some remote hangar being repainted, maybe with El Al logos. On Saturday, March 22, 2014 7:34 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: The moment the jet veered westwards was at the point of handover, according to the leaked document - when it could have been invisible to ground control, making the timing perfect for hijack. Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586330/Revealed-The-transcript-final-54-minutes-communication-flight-deck-aboard-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-MH370.html On 3/21/2014 8:43 PM, punditster@... wrote: My prediction is that this is going to be HUGE when we find out the mystery. Until then, what we have is a lost Boeing 777. That's already huge, and it may get a lot bigger in the next few days.Something has got to break with millions of people looking for any trace of the plane. It seems to be more than just a strong coincidence that the loss of contact with the aircraft happened at the point of handover. 'Missing Flight MH370 could have been hijacked in radar 'black hole' between Malaysia and Vietnam' http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3269867
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Oh, okay. I missed that guess. I guess they are saying that now, the flight path, and altitude changes indicate that the pilots were trying to get to safety. But as you say, where was the Mayday call, which would have only taken a moment. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/24/2014 9:11 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: But, but, but, second place finish definitely goes to you, who stated there was some serious malfunction, lithium batteries I believe. It might be a good time to point out, Steve, that it was probably the Punditster that was the first person on FFL to propose a serious malfunction on the plane, a rapid decompression, and the storage of the lithium batteries on board. 12 March My bet is that the plane experienced a sudden decompression, the pilot tried to turn around to get back to Kuala Lumpur, but the pilots both blacked out because they failed to put on face masks in time. The debris is far out in the South China Sea somewhere. It may take as long as a year for anything to wash up on shore. 13 March My bet is still on the aircraft's possible sudden, rapid depressurization theory. If the pilots failed to put on masks they could have blacked out from the lack of oxygen. So, this theory goes like this: the sudden decompression of the plane for unknown reasons, but it could have been from a crack in the fuselage; turning the plane to return to land with auto-pilot on; failure to don face masks; the flight continues for four hours; the plane runs out of fuel; and falls into the Indian Ocean. 21 March This scenario begins with the eruption of hazardous materials within the cargo hold – either improperly packaged or illegally shipped – or both. It is thought the missing plane climbed to 45,000ft - a move Mr Vincent believes may have resulted from the pilots not being able to see the controls properly.
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If the communications equipment was working. Plus which, the pilot's mantra is aviate, navigate, communicate--in that order. In a really desperate situation, the first two may take all the pilots' attention. Oh, okay. I missed that guess. I guess they are saying that now, the flight path, and altitude changes indicate that the pilots were trying to get to safety. But as you say, where was the Mayday call, which would have only taken a moment. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 3/24/2014 9:11 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote: But, but, but, second place finish definitely goes to you, who stated there was some serious malfunction, lithium batteries I believe. It might be a good time to point out, Steve, that it was probably the Punditster that was the first person on FFL to propose a serious malfunction on the plane, a rapid decompression, and the storage of the lithium batteries on board. 12 March My bet is that the plane experienced a sudden decompression, the pilot tried to turn around to get back to Kuala Lumpur, but the pilots both blacked out because they failed to put on face masks in time. The debris is far out in the South China Sea somewhere. It may take as long as a year for anything to wash up on shore. 13 March My bet is still on the aircraft's possible sudden, rapid depressurization theory. If the pilots failed to put on masks they could have blacked out from the lack of oxygen. So, this theory goes like this: the sudden decompression of the plane for unknown reasons, but it could have been from a crack in the fuselage; turning the plane to return to land with auto-pilot on; failure to don face masks; the flight continues for four hours; the plane runs out of fuel; and falls into the Indian Ocean. 21 March This scenario begins with the eruption of hazardous materials within the cargo hold – either improperly packaged or illegally shipped – or both. It is thought the missing plane climbed to 45,000ft - a move Mr Vincent believes may have resulted from the pilots not being able to see the controls properly.
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Are you sure your wife didn't kick you out of the house, for disagreeing with her? lol ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Hey Judy, at this point, I think we have to give first place to Jim. After all, he did say that satellite data would be instrumental in finding the plane. Now evidently it was a little different than that technicalese that he offered up, but I'm giving that first place finish nonetheless. But, but, but, second place finish definitely goes to you, who stated there was some serious malfunction, lithium batteries I believe. I think your second place finish will hold no matter what. My wife's theory of plane landing in Pakistan or North Korea, way down the list. My theory of pilot suicide still has a chance, but not much. That's how I'm handicapping things at this point. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : You do know that the thinking among experts is now leaning strongly toward a serious technical malfunction aboard the plane that incapacitated both pilots, right? We have derive who the culprit is by elimination. It couldn't be the passengers or the attendant staff because they're locked out of the cockpit and more likely they can't fly the airplane. It couldn't be the pilot because he's an atheist, who IMO would rather live than die for a cause. That leaves the co-pilot, a supposedly devout Muslim, as the likely perpetrator of this crime. IMO he has the necessary sketch of someone who can kill himself and others for a certain reason or cause. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : We just can't understand how a plane could fly for seven hours with no communications. So, we are back to square one: why and how did the transponder get shut off? Go figure. Investigators are still trying to determine what happened to the plane after it took off around midnight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, headed for Beijing, China. It disappeared off the radar shortly after 1 a.m. but continued to fly, according to satellite data, for up to seven hours. Officials Say Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane 'Ended in the Southern Indian Ocean' http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean-140638663--abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1 On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... wrote: It's probably in some remote hangar being repainted, maybe with El Al logos. On Saturday, March 22, 2014 7:34 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: The moment the jet veered westwards was at the point of handover, according to the leaked document - when it could have been invisible to ground control, making the timing perfect for hijack. Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586330/Revealed-The-transcript-final-54-minutes-communication-flight-deck-aboard-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-MH370.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586330/Revealed-The-transcript-final-54-minutes-communication-flight-deck-aboard-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-MH370.html On 3/21/2014 8:43 PM, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: My prediction is that this is going to be HUGE when we find out the mystery. Until then, what we have is a lost Boeing 777. That's already huge, and it may get a lot bigger in the next few days.Something has got to break with millions of people looking for any trace of the plane. It seems to be more than just a strong coincidence that the loss of contact with the aircraft happened at the point of handover. 'Missing Flight MH370 could have been hijacked in radar 'black hole' between Malaysia and Vietnam' http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3269867 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3269867
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You are so funny Jim. At least in a weird kind of way. No, pretty much business as usual here. Just a waking state husband and wife, and 20 year old whose coming off the rails to some extent. But marriage wise, it's all good. How about you? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Are you sure your wife didn't kick you out of the house, for disagreeing with her? lol ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Hey Judy, at this point, I think we have to give first place to Jim. After all, he did say that satellite data would be instrumental in finding the plane. Now evidently it was a little different than that technicalese that he offered up, but I'm giving that first place finish nonetheless. But, but, but, second place finish definitely goes to you, who stated there was some serious malfunction, lithium batteries I believe. I think your second place finish will hold no matter what. My wife's theory of plane landing in Pakistan or North Korea, way down the list. My theory of pilot suicide still has a chance, but not much. That's how I'm handicapping things at this point. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : You do know that the thinking among experts is now leaning strongly toward a serious technical malfunction aboard the plane that incapacitated both pilots, right? We have derive who the culprit is by elimination. It couldn't be the passengers or the attendant staff because they're locked out of the cockpit and more likely they can't fly the airplane. It couldn't be the pilot because he's an atheist, who IMO would rather live than die for a cause. That leaves the co-pilot, a supposedly devout Muslim, as the likely perpetrator of this crime. IMO he has the necessary sketch of someone who can kill himself and others for a certain reason or cause. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : We just can't understand how a plane could fly for seven hours with no communications. So, we are back to square one: why and how did the transponder get shut off? Go figure. Investigators are still trying to determine what happened to the plane after it took off around midnight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, headed for Beijing, China. It disappeared off the radar shortly after 1 a.m. but continued to fly, according to satellite data, for up to seven hours. Officials Say Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane 'Ended in the Southern Indian Ocean' http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean-140638663--abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1 On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... wrote: It's probably in some remote hangar being repainted, maybe with El Al logos. On Saturday, March 22, 2014 7:34 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: The moment the jet veered westwards was at the point of handover, according to the leaked document - when it could have been invisible to ground control, making the timing perfect for hijack. Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586330/Revealed-The-transcript-final-54-minutes-communication-flight-deck-aboard-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-MH370.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586330/Revealed-The-transcript-final-54-minutes-communication-flight-deck-aboard-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-MH370.html On 3/21/2014 8:43 PM, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: My prediction is that this is going to be HUGE when we find out the mystery. Until then, what we have is a lost Boeing 777. That's already huge, and it may get a lot bigger in the next few days.Something has got to break with millions of people looking for any trace of the plane. It seems to be more than just a strong coincidence that the loss of contact with the aircraft happened at the point of handover. 'Missing Flight MH370 could have been hijacked in radar 'black hole' between Malaysia and Vietnam' http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3269867 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3269867
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On 3/25/2014 6:45 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: I guess they are saying that now, the flight path, and altitude changes indicate that the pilots were trying to get to safety. But as you say, where was the Mayday call, which would have only taken a moment. According to what I've read, one of the pilots, or someone, may have turned off the transponder. I can't think of a logical reason a plane that flew for seven hours wouldn't have functioning electronics. It seems to me, that if the pilots were trying to get to safety, the last thing they'd do is disable the communications system or the transponder. Go figure.
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Excellent, detailed, partly speculative chronology of Flight 370, focusing on the possibility of a mechanical problem: http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/24/opinion/abend-explaining-flight-370 http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/24/opinion/abend-explaining-flight-370/
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On 3/25/2014 11:08 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Just a waking state husband and wife, and 20 year old whose coming off the rails to some extent. You just wait, Steve, until you get some grand children to look after, then you'll be in a waking state! Mine are all grown up now, but it was a long time coming, it seemed like. Now it's just me and Rita sitting here in Santa Rosa looking after the great grand children - twins. We'll be out of here this weekend and back home again - I've got to drive Dad to the clinic so he can get a stint put in. It's complicated.
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Richard, your family has FIVE generations alive! That's inspiring. Good luck to your Dad. Has he seen his great great grand children? On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 7:43 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/25/2014 11:08 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: Just a waking state husband and wife, and 20 year old whose coming off the rails to some extent. You just wait, Steve, until you get some grand children to look after, then you'll be in a waking state! Mine are all grown up now, but it was a long time coming, it seemed like. Now it's just me and Rita sitting here in Santa Rosa looking after the great grand children - twins. We'll be out of here this weekend and back home again - I've got to drive Dad to the clinic so he can get a stint put in. It's complicated.
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We just can't understand how a plane could fly for seven hours with no communications. So, we are back to square one: why and how did the transponder get shut off? Go figure. Investigators are still trying to determine what happened to the plane after it took off around midnight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, headed for Beijing, China. It disappeared off the radar shortly after 1 a.m. but continued to fly, according to satellite data, for up to seven hours. Officials Say Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane 'Ended in the Southern Indian Ocean' http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-oceanhttp://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean-140638663--abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1 On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote: It's probably in some remote hangar being repainted, maybe with El Al logos. On Saturday, March 22, 2014 7:34 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: The moment the jet veered westwards was at the point of handover, according to the leaked document - when it could have been invisible to ground control, making the timing perfect for hijack. Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586330/Revealed-The-transcript-final-54-minutes-communication-flight-deck-aboard-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-MH370.html On 3/21/2014 8:43 PM, pundits...@gmail.com wrote: My prediction is that this is going to be HUGE when we find out the mystery. Until then, what we have is a lost Boeing 777. That's already huge, and it may get a lot bigger in the next few days.Something has got to break with millions of people looking for any trace of the plane. It seems to be more than just a strong coincidence that the loss of contact with the aircraft happened at the point of handover. 'Missing Flight MH370 could have been hijacked in radar 'black hole' between Malaysia and Vietnam' http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3269867
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We have derive who the culprit is by elimination. It couldn't be the passengers or the attendant staff because they're locked out of the cockpit and more likely they can't fly the airplane. It couldn't be the pilot because he's an atheist, who IMO would rather live than die for a cause. That leaves the co-pilot, a supposedly devout Muslim, as the likely perpetrator of this crime. IMO he has the necessary sketch of someone who can kill himself and others for a certain reason or cause. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : We just can't understand how a plane could fly for seven hours with no communications. So, we are back to square one: why and how did the transponder get shut off? Go figure. Investigators are still trying to determine what happened to the plane after it took off around midnight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, headed for Beijing, China. It disappeared off the radar shortly after 1 a.m. but continued to fly, according to satellite data, for up to seven hours. Officials Say Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane 'Ended in the Southern Indian Ocean' http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean-140638663--abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1 On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... wrote: It's probably in some remote hangar being repainted, maybe with El Al logos. On Saturday, March 22, 2014 7:34 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: The moment the jet veered westwards was at the point of handover, according to the leaked document - when it could have been invisible to ground control, making the timing perfect for hijack. Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586330/Revealed-The-transcript-final-54-minutes-communication-flight-deck-aboard-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-MH370.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586330/Revealed-The-transcript-final-54-minutes-communication-flight-deck-aboard-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-MH370.html On 3/21/2014 8:43 PM, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: My prediction is that this is going to be HUGE when we find out the mystery. Until then, what we have is a lost Boeing 777. That's already huge, and it may get a lot bigger in the next few days.Something has got to break with millions of people looking for any trace of the plane. It seems to be more than just a strong coincidence that the loss of contact with the aircraft happened at the point of handover. 'Missing Flight MH370 could have been hijacked in radar 'black hole' between Malaysia and Vietnam' http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3269867 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3269867
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No no no! Islam is the religion of peace. They can't do that! Maybe it's the religion of piece, little bitty pieces, like blown to smithereens type pieces. On Monday, March 24, 2014 3:08 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: We have derive who the culprit is by elimination. It couldn't be the passengers or the attendant staff because they're locked out of the cockpit and more likely they can't fly the airplane. It couldn't be the pilot because he's an atheist, who IMO would rather live than die for a cause. That leaves the co-pilot, a supposedly devout Muslim, as the likely perpetrator of this crime. IMO he has the necessary sketch of someone who can kill himself and others for a certain reason or cause. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : We just can't understand how a plane could fly for seven hours with no communications. So, we are back to square one: why and how did the transponder get shut off? Go figure. Investigators are still trying to determine what happened to the plane after it took off around midnight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, headed for Beijing, China. It disappeared off the radar shortly after 1 a.m. but continued to fly, according to satellite data, for up to seven hours. Officials Say Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane 'Ended in the Southern Indian Ocean' http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean-140638663--abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1 On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... wrote: It's probably in some remote hangar being repainted, maybe with El Al logos. On Saturday, March 22, 2014 7:34 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: The moment the jet veered westwards was at the point of handover, according to the leaked document - when it could have been invisible to ground control, making the timing perfect for hijack. Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586330/Revealed-The-transcript-final-54-minutes-communication-flight-deck-aboard-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-MH370.html On 3/21/2014 8:43 PM, punditster@... wrote: My prediction is that this is going to be HUGE when we find out the mystery. Until then, what we have is a lost Boeing 777. That's already huge, and it may get a lot bigger in the next few days.Something has got to break with millions of people looking for any trace of the plane. It seems to be more than just a strong coincidence that the loss of contact with the aircraft happened at the point of handover. 'Missing Flight MH370 could have been hijacked in radar 'black hole' between Malaysia and Vietnam' http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3269867
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On 3/24/2014 5:08 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: We have derive who the culprit is by elimination. It couldn't be the passengers or the attendant staff because they're locked out of the cockpit and more likely they can't fly the airplane. It couldn't be the pilot because he's an atheist, who IMO would rather live than die for a cause. That leaves the co-pilot, a supposedly devout Muslim, as the likely perpetrator of this crime. IMO he has the necessary sketch of someone who can kill himself and others for a certain reason or cause. Usually, when someone wants to terrorize the planet, they leave a note or something. Or, if they are/were a terrorist, they want to put out a tweet claiming they were responsible. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : We just can't understand how a plane could fly for seven hours with no communications. So, we are back to square one: why and how did the transponder get shut off? Go figure. Investigators are still trying to determine what happened to the plane after it took off around midnight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, headed for Beijing, China. It disappeared off the radar shortly after 1 a.m. but continued to fly, according to satellite data, for up to seven hours. Officials Say Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane 'Ended in the Southern Indian Ocean' http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean-140638663--abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1
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You do know that the thinking among experts is now leaning strongly toward a serious technical malfunction aboard the plane that incapacitated both pilots, right? We have derive who the culprit is by elimination. It couldn't be the passengers or the attendant staff because they're locked out of the cockpit and more likely they can't fly the airplane. It couldn't be the pilot because he's an atheist, who IMO would rather live than die for a cause. That leaves the co-pilot, a supposedly devout Muslim, as the likely perpetrator of this crime. IMO he has the necessary sketch of someone who can kill himself and others for a certain reason or cause. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : We just can't understand how a plane could fly for seven hours with no communications. So, we are back to square one: why and how did the transponder get shut off? Go figure. Investigators are still trying to determine what happened to the plane after it took off around midnight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, headed for Beijing, China. It disappeared off the radar shortly after 1 a.m. but continued to fly, according to satellite data, for up to seven hours. Officials Say Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane 'Ended in the Southern Indian Ocean' http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean-140638663--abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1 On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... wrote: It's probably in some remote hangar being repainted, maybe with El Al logos. On Saturday, March 22, 2014 7:34 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: The moment the jet veered westwards was at the point of handover, according to the leaked document - when it could have been invisible to ground control, making the timing perfect for hijack. Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586330/Revealed-The-transcript-final-54-minutes-communication-flight-deck-aboard-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-MH370.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586330/Revealed-The-transcript-final-54-minutes-communication-flight-deck-aboard-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-MH370.html On 3/21/2014 8:43 PM, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: My prediction is that this is going to be HUGE when we find out the mystery. Until then, what we have is a lost Boeing 777. That's already huge, and it may get a lot bigger in the next few days.Something has got to break with millions of people looking for any trace of the plane. It seems to be more than just a strong coincidence that the loss of contact with the aircraft happened at the point of handover. 'Missing Flight MH370 could have been hijacked in radar 'black hole' between Malaysia and Vietnam' http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3269867 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3269867
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jet Vanishes
Hey Judy, at this point, I think we have to give first place to Jim. After all, he did say that satellite data would be instrumental in finding the plane. Now evidently it was a little different than that technicalese that he offered up, but I'm giving that first place finish nonetheless. But, but, but, second place finish definitely goes to you, who stated there was some serious malfunction, lithium batteries I believe. I think your second place finish will hold no matter what. My wife's theory of plane landing in Pakistan or North Korea, way down the list. My theory of pilot suicide still has a chance, but not much. That's how I'm handicapping things at this point. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : You do know that the thinking among experts is now leaning strongly toward a serious technical malfunction aboard the plane that incapacitated both pilots, right? We have derive who the culprit is by elimination. It couldn't be the passengers or the attendant staff because they're locked out of the cockpit and more likely they can't fly the airplane. It couldn't be the pilot because he's an atheist, who IMO would rather live than die for a cause. That leaves the co-pilot, a supposedly devout Muslim, as the likely perpetrator of this crime. IMO he has the necessary sketch of someone who can kill himself and others for a certain reason or cause. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : We just can't understand how a plane could fly for seven hours with no communications. So, we are back to square one: why and how did the transponder get shut off? Go figure. Investigators are still trying to determine what happened to the plane after it took off around midnight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, headed for Beijing, China. It disappeared off the radar shortly after 1 a.m. but continued to fly, according to satellite data, for up to seven hours. Officials Say Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane 'Ended in the Southern Indian Ocean' http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean-140638663--abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1 On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... wrote: It's probably in some remote hangar being repainted, maybe with El Al logos. On Saturday, March 22, 2014 7:34 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: The moment the jet veered westwards was at the point of handover, according to the leaked document - when it could have been invisible to ground control, making the timing perfect for hijack. Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586330/Revealed-The-transcript-final-54-minutes-communication-flight-deck-aboard-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-MH370.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586330/Revealed-The-transcript-final-54-minutes-communication-flight-deck-aboard-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-MH370.html On 3/21/2014 8:43 PM, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: My prediction is that this is going to be HUGE when we find out the mystery. Until then, what we have is a lost Boeing 777. That's already huge, and it may get a lot bigger in the next few days.Something has got to break with millions of people looking for any trace of the plane. It seems to be more than just a strong coincidence that the loss of contact with the aircraft happened at the point of handover. 'Missing Flight MH370 could have been hijacked in radar 'black hole' between Malaysia and Vietnam' http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3269867 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3269867
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jet Vanishes
Judy, I don't believe a technical malfunction is likely. How can a malfunction shut off the transponder, make the plane climb to 45,000 feet and set the controls to head towards the Indian Ocean? IMO, the co-pilot killed the captain of the airplane. He made the plane climb to a very high altitude to kill the passengers. The entire plane then experienced decompression and loss of oxygen. Before dying, he set the automatic controls to head toward the Indian Ocean. Everyone on board was already dead soon after this maneuver and the plane continued to fly for several hours until it ran out of fuel and crashed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : You do know that the thinking among experts is now leaning strongly toward a serious technical malfunction aboard the plane that incapacitated both pilots, right? We have derive who the culprit is by elimination. It couldn't be the passengers or the attendant staff because they're locked out of the cockpit and more likely they can't fly the airplane. It couldn't be the pilot because he's an atheist, who IMO would rather live than die for a cause. That leaves the co-pilot, a supposedly devout Muslim, as the likely perpetrator of this crime. IMO he has the necessary sketch of someone who can kill himself and others for a certain reason or cause. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : We just can't understand how a plane could fly for seven hours with no communications. So, we are back to square one: why and how did the transponder get shut off? Go figure. Investigators are still trying to determine what happened to the plane after it took off around midnight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, headed for Beijing, China. It disappeared off the radar shortly after 1 a.m. but continued to fly, according to satellite data, for up to seven hours. Officials Say Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane 'Ended in the Southern Indian Ocean' http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean-140638663--abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1 On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... wrote: It's probably in some remote hangar being repainted, maybe with El Al logos. On Saturday, March 22, 2014 7:34 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: The moment the jet veered westwards was at the point of handover, according to the leaked document - when it could have been invisible to ground control, making the timing perfect for hijack. Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586330/Revealed-The-transcript-final-54-minutes-communication-flight-deck-aboard-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-MH370.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586330/Revealed-The-transcript-final-54-minutes-communication-flight-deck-aboard-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-MH370.html On 3/21/2014 8:43 PM, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: My prediction is that this is going to be HUGE when we find out the mystery. Until then, what we have is a lost Boeing 777. That's already huge, and it may get a lot bigger in the next few days.Something has got to break with millions of people looking for any trace of the plane. It seems to be more than just a strong coincidence that the loss of contact with the aircraft happened at the point of handover. 'Missing Flight MH370 could have been hijacked in radar 'black hole' between Malaysia and Vietnam' http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3269867 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3269867
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jet Vanishes
The idea is that the pilots changed the flight plan to head for the nearest airport when the malfunction took place (which was presumably what took out the transponder). It's not clear that they did climb to 45,000 feet, BTW. It turns out that radar can't gauge altitude that well. In fact, the latest is that they descended to about 12,000 feet. In any case, the theory would be that whatever the malfunction was, it disabled the pilots (e.g., toxic fumes from a fire), so the plane just continued on automatic pilot right over the airport they were heading for and out into the ocean until it ran out of fuel. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Judy, I don't believe a technical malfunction is likely. How can a malfunction shut off the transponder, make the plane climb to 45,000 feet and set the controls to head towards the Indian Ocean? IMO, the co-pilot killed the captain of the airplane. He made the plane climb to a very high altitude to kill the passengers. The entire plane then experienced decompression and loss of oxygen. Before dying, he set the automatic controls to head toward the Indian Ocean. Everyone on board was already dead soon after this maneuver and the plane continued to fly for several hours until it ran out of fuel and crashed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : You do know that the thinking among experts is now leaning strongly toward a serious technical malfunction aboard the plane that incapacitated both pilots, right? We have derive who the culprit is by elimination. It couldn't be the passengers or the attendant staff because they're locked out of the cockpit and more likely they can't fly the airplane. It couldn't be the pilot because he's an atheist, who IMO would rather live than die for a cause. That leaves the co-pilot, a supposedly devout Muslim, as the likely perpetrator of this crime. IMO he has the necessary sketch of someone who can kill himself and others for a certain reason or cause. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : We just can't understand how a plane could fly for seven hours with no communications. So, we are back to square one: why and how did the transponder get shut off? Go figure. Investigators are still trying to determine what happened to the plane after it took off around midnight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, headed for Beijing, China. It disappeared off the radar shortly after 1 a.m. but continued to fly, according to satellite data, for up to seven hours. Officials Say Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane 'Ended in the Southern Indian Ocean' http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean-140638663--abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1 On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... wrote: It's probably in some remote hangar being repainted, maybe with El Al logos. On Saturday, March 22, 2014 7:34 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: The moment the jet veered westwards was at the point of handover, according to the leaked document - when it could have been invisible to ground control, making the timing perfect for hijack. Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586330/Revealed-The-transcript-final-54-minutes-communication-flight-deck-aboard-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-MH370.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586330/Revealed-The-transcript-final-54-minutes-communication-flight-deck-aboard-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-MH370.html On 3/21/2014 8:43 PM, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: My prediction is that this is going to be HUGE when we find out the mystery. Until then, what we have is a lost Boeing 777. That's already huge, and it may get a lot bigger in the next few days.Something has got to break with millions of people looking for any trace of the plane. It seems to be more than just a strong coincidence that the loss of contact with the aircraft happened at the point of handover. 'Missing Flight MH370 could have been hijacked in radar 'black hole' between Malaysia and Vietnam' http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3269867 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3269867
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jet Vanishes
Well, actually, Feebs, he thought satellites would be able to see the plane in the air. Satellite data, on the other hand, as in identifying pings from the plane, we knew about pretty much from the beginning. And, um, they haven't found the plane yet and may never find it. All the satellite data has told us is that the plane was in a general area where there was no place to land for hundreds of miles when it would have run out of fuel, ending any hope that it might not have crashed in the ocean. Plus which, I have to admit I was skeptical at first about the malfunction scenario. And that's still only speculative, in any case. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Hey Judy, at this point, I think we have to give first place to Jim. After all, he did say that satellite data would be instrumental in finding the plane. Now evidently it was a little different than that technicalese that he offered up, but I'm giving that first place finish nonetheless. But, but, but, second place finish definitely goes to you, who stated there was some serious malfunction, lithium batteries I believe. I think your second place finish will hold no matter what. My wife's theory of plane landing in Pakistan or North Korea, way down the list. My theory of pilot suicide still has a chance, but not much. That's how I'm handicapping things at this point. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : You do know that the thinking among experts is now leaning strongly toward a serious technical malfunction aboard the plane that incapacitated both pilots, right? We have derive who the culprit is by elimination. It couldn't be the passengers or the attendant staff because they're locked out of the cockpit and more likely they can't fly the airplane. It couldn't be the pilot because he's an atheist, who IMO would rather live than die for a cause. That leaves the co-pilot, a supposedly devout Muslim, as the likely perpetrator of this crime. IMO he has the necessary sketch of someone who can kill himself and others for a certain reason or cause. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : We just can't understand how a plane could fly for seven hours with no communications. So, we are back to square one: why and how did the transponder get shut off? Go figure. Investigators are still trying to determine what happened to the plane after it took off around midnight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, headed for Beijing, China. It disappeared off the radar shortly after 1 a.m. but continued to fly, according to satellite data, for up to seven hours. Officials Say Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane 'Ended in the Southern Indian Ocean' http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean-140638663--abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1 On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... wrote: It's probably in some remote hangar being repainted, maybe with El Al logos. On Saturday, March 22, 2014 7:34 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: The moment the jet veered westwards was at the point of handover, according to the leaked document - when it could have been invisible to ground control, making the timing perfect for hijack. Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586330/Revealed-The-transcript-final-54-minutes-communication-flight-deck-aboard-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-MH370.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586330/Revealed-The-transcript-final-54-minutes-communication-flight-deck-aboard-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-MH370.html On 3/21/2014 8:43 PM, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: My prediction is that this is going to be HUGE when we find out the mystery. Until then, what we have is a lost Boeing 777. That's already huge, and it may get a lot bigger in the next few days.Something has got to break with millions of people looking for any trace of the plane. It seems to be more than just a strong coincidence that the loss of contact with the aircraft happened at the point of handover. 'Missing Flight MH370 could have been hijacked in radar 'black hole' between Malaysia and Vietnam' http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3269867 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3269867
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jet Vanishes
Oh, okay, I guess you followed the satellite part better than I did. I thought he left it pretty open as to what role the satellites would play. But it would seem to me the satellites must have had some data as the plane was moving in order to determine where it landed, unless you mean they had an actual visual. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Well, actually, Feebs, he thought satellites would be able to see the plane in the air. Satellite data, on the other hand, as in identifying pings from the plane, we knew about pretty much from the beginning. And, um, they haven't found the plane yet and may never find it. All the satellite data has told us is that the plane was in a general area where there was no place to land for hundreds of miles when it would have run out of fuel, ending any hope that it might not have crashed in the ocean. Plus which, I have to admit I was skeptical at first about the malfunction scenario. And that's still only speculative, in any case. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Hey Judy, at this point, I think we have to give first place to Jim. After all, he did say that satellite data would be instrumental in finding the plane. Now evidently it was a little different than that technicalese that he offered up, but I'm giving that first place finish nonetheless. But, but, but, second place finish definitely goes to you, who stated there was some serious malfunction, lithium batteries I believe. I think your second place finish will hold no matter what. My wife's theory of plane landing in Pakistan or North Korea, way down the list. My theory of pilot suicide still has a chance, but not much. That's how I'm handicapping things at this point. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : You do know that the thinking among experts is now leaning strongly toward a serious technical malfunction aboard the plane that incapacitated both pilots, right? We have derive who the culprit is by elimination. It couldn't be the passengers or the attendant staff because they're locked out of the cockpit and more likely they can't fly the airplane. It couldn't be the pilot because he's an atheist, who IMO would rather live than die for a cause. That leaves the co-pilot, a supposedly devout Muslim, as the likely perpetrator of this crime. IMO he has the necessary sketch of someone who can kill himself and others for a certain reason or cause. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : We just can't understand how a plane could fly for seven hours with no communications. So, we are back to square one: why and how did the transponder get shut off? Go figure. Investigators are still trying to determine what happened to the plane after it took off around midnight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, headed for Beijing, China. It disappeared off the radar shortly after 1 a.m. but continued to fly, according to satellite data, for up to seven hours. Officials Say Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane 'Ended in the Southern Indian Ocean' http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean-140638663--abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1 On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... wrote: It's probably in some remote hangar being repainted, maybe with El Al logos. On Saturday, March 22, 2014 7:34 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: The moment the jet veered westwards was at the point of handover, according to the leaked document - when it could have been invisible to ground control, making the timing perfect for hijack. Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586330/Revealed-The-transcript-final-54-minutes-communication-flight-deck-aboard-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-MH370.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586330/Revealed-The-transcript-final-54-minutes-communication-flight-deck-aboard-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-MH370.html On 3/21/2014 8:43 PM, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote: My prediction is that this is going to be HUGE when we find out the mystery. Until then, what we have is a lost Boeing 777. That's already huge, and it may get a lot bigger in the next few days.Something has got to break with millions of people looking for any trace of the plane. It seems to be more than just a strong coincidence that the loss of contact with the aircraft happened at the point of handover. 'Missing Flight MH370 could have been hijacked in radar 'black hole' between Malaysia and Vietnam' http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3269867 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3269867
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jet Vanishes
On 3/24/2014 8:48 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *You do know that the thinking among experts is now leaning strongly toward a serious technical malfunction aboard the plane that incapacitated both pilots, right?* Not sure how an incapacitated pilot or co-pilot could turn off the transponder and why. It seems to me, that if the plane was functional enough to fly for another seven hours, it would still have a working communications system. Not sure how smoke would turn off the transponder. Although anything is possible I guess. Go figure. It takes only about a few seconds to yell Mayday! Mayday! into the microphone. We have derive who the culprit is by elimination. It couldn't be the passengers or the attendant staff because they're locked out of the cockpit and more likely they can't fly the airplane. It couldn't be the pilot because he's an atheist, who IMO would rather live than die for a cause. That leaves the co-pilot, a supposedly devout Muslim, as the likely perpetrator of this crime. IMO he has the necessary sketch of someone who can kill himself and others for a certain reason or cause. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : We just can't understand how a plane could fly for seven hours with no communications. So, we are back to square one: why and how did the transponder get shut off? Go figure. Investigators are still trying to determine what happened to the plane after it took off around midnight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, headed for Beijing, China. It disappeared off the radar shortly after 1 a.m. but continued to fly, according to satellite data, for up to seven hours. Officials Say Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane 'Ended in the Southern Indian Ocean' http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-ended-south-indian-ocean-140638663--abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jet Vanishes
On 3/24/2014 9:11 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com wrote: But, but, but, second place finish definitely goes to you, who stated there was some serious malfunction, lithium batteries I believe. It might be a good time to point out, Steve, that it was probably the Punditster that was the first person on FFL to propose a serious malfunction on the plane, a rapid decompression, and the storage of the lithium batteries on board. 12 March My bet is that the plane experienced a sudden decompression, the pilot tried to turn around to get back to Kuala Lumpur, but the pilots both blacked out because they failed to put on face masks in time. The debris is far out in the South China Sea somewhere. It may take as long as a year for anything to wash up on shore. 13 March My bet is still on the aircraft's possible sudden, rapid depressurization theory. If the pilots failed to put on masks they could have blacked out from the lack of oxygen. So, this theory goes like this: the sudden decompression of the plane for unknown reasons, but it could have been from a crack in the fuselage; turning the plane to return to land with auto-pilot on; failure to don face masks; the flight continues for four hours; the plane runs out of fuel; and falls into the Indian Ocean. 21 March This scenario begins with the eruption of hazardous materials within the cargo hold – either improperly packaged or illegally shipped – or both. It is thought the missing plane climbed to 45,000ft - a move Mr Vincent believes may have resulted from the pilots not being able to see the controls properly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jet Vanishes
On 3/24/2014 9:23 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't believe a technical malfunction is likely. How can a malfunction shut off the transponder, make the plane climb to 45,000 feet and set the controls to head towards the Indian Ocean? and heading back. It could be that smoke filled the pilot's cabin, causing the pilots, in their panic, to pull back on the stick, and then corrected their mistake by turning the plane around. If it was a rapid decompression at high altitude, everyone on board would probably be dead within minutes. IMO, the co-pilot killed the captain of the airplane. He made the plane climb to a very high altitude to kill the passengers. The entire plane then experienced decompression and loss of oxygen. Before dying, he set the automatic controls to head toward the Indian Ocean. Everyone on board was already dead soon after this maneuver and the plane continued to fly for several hours until it ran out of fuel and crashed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : *You do know that the thinking among experts is now leaning strongly toward a serious technical malfunction aboard the plane that incapacitated both pilots, right?*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jet Vanishes
The moment the jet veered westwards was at the point of handover, according to the leaked document - when it could have been invisible to ground control, making the timing perfect for hijack. Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/The-transcript-final-54-minutes/ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586330/Revealed-The-transcript-final-54-minutes-communication-flight-deck-aboard-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-MH370.html On 3/21/2014 8:43 PM, pundits...@gmail.com wrote: My prediction is that this is going to be HUGE when we find out the mystery. Until then, what we have is a lost Boeing 777. That's already huge, and it may get a lot bigger in the next few days.Something has got to break with millions of people looking for any trace of the plane. It seems to be more than just a strong coincidence that the loss of contact with the aircraft happened at the point of handover. 'Missing Flight MH370 could have been hijacked in radar 'black hole' between Malaysia and Vietnam' http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3269867
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It's probably in some remote hangar being repainted, maybe with El Al logos. On Saturday, March 22, 2014 7:34 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: The moment the jet veered westwards was at the point of handover, according to the leaked document - when it could have been invisible to ground control, making the timing perfect for hijack. Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586330/Revealed-The-transcript-final-54-minutes-communication-flight-deck-aboard-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-MH370.html On 3/21/2014 8:43 PM, pundits...@gmail.com wrote: My prediction is that this is going to be HUGE when we find out the mystery. Until then, what we have is a lost Boeing 777. That's already huge, and it may get a lot bigger in the next few days.Something has got to break with millions of people looking for any trace of the plane. It seems to be more than just a strong coincidence that the loss of contact with the aircraft happened at the point of handover. 'Missing Flight MH370 could have been hijacked in radar 'black hole' between Malaysia and Vietnam' http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3269867
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jet Vanishes
This scenario begins with the eruption of hazardous materials within the cargo hold – either improperly packaged or illegally shipped – or both. It is thought the missing plane climbed to 45,000ft - a move Mr Vincent believes may have resulted from the pilots not being able to see the controls properly. 'Missing jet WAS carrying highly flammable lithium batteries: CEO of Malaysian Airlines finally admits to dangerous cargo four days after DENYING it' Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586308/Missing-jet-WAS-carrying-highly-flammable-lithium-batteries-CEO-Malaysian-Airlines-finally-admits-dangerous-cargo.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : It appears that you're mistaken, John, at least according to the folks who are in a position to know how much fuel the plane had. Judy, It doesn't appear the plane has enough fuel to reach Kyrgyzstan or Iran for that matter, unless it landed and refueled in India or western China. Nonetheless, it appears likely that the plane was hijacked and diverted into a new destination by people on board, perhaps including a passenger and a crew member. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Latest from Malaysian officials is the assumption that the plane was deliberately diverted by people on board. And then there's this: Early this morning BBC reporter Jonah Fisher tweeted, 'Being briefed by Malaysia officials they believe most likely location for MH370 is on land somewhere near Chinese/Kyrgyz border.'...A violent Uyghur separatist movement is active in [the eastern portion of Kyrgyzstan].” http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/15/flight_370_disappearance_missing_airliner_apparently_flew_to_central_asia.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/15/flight_370_disappearance_missing_airliner_apparently_flew_to_central_asia.html
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This is my guess now too--a fire from the lithium batteries. This scenario begins with the eruption of hazardous materials within the cargo hold – either improperly packaged or illegally shipped – or both. It is thought the missing plane climbed to 45,000ft - a move Mr Vincent believes may have resulted from the pilots not being able to see the controls properly. 'Missing jet WAS carrying highly flammable lithium batteries: CEO of Malaysian Airlines finally admits to dangerous cargo four days after DENYING it' Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586308/Missing-jet-WAS-carrying-highly-flammable-lithium-batteries-CEO-Malaysian-Airlines-finally-admits-dangerous-cargo.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jet Vanishes
I casted a prashna chart a few days ago asking the question, did the Malaysian plane crash? It took me a while to interpret the chart until I found the likely scenario about this mysterious case. The chart revealed that the plane crashed indeed. The likely culprit is the co-pilot, who appears on the surface to be a devout Muslim. However, he had dark side to his psyche, which included the belief that he could die for his religion in order to attain heaven and bliss. And it didn't matter if he took others to the grave with him. He was also an ambitious man who wanted to rise in his chosen field. He wanted to be the main pilot for the company he was working for. It appeared that in the past he had history of disagreeing with the main pilot he was working with during the previous flights. The reason for this was that he thought he was just as qualified as they were to command the airplane on his own terms. The chart further reveals that his ambition may have been threatened by the company's refusal to give him the opportunity to reach his goal of being the captain of the airplane. As such, he probably thought that his career was over and that his life was meaningless. Thus, the dark side of his psyche took over. On this last flight, he already planned that he was going to commit suicide and take everyone else with him in vengeance against the company. So, after about 40 minutes from take-off, he killed the main pilot and took control of the airplane. He then reported to base saying that everything was all right. Good night. He changed course and made the plane climb to a very high altitude in order to kill the rest of the passengers. Then he set the automatic controls to take over and head for a meaningless direction towards the Indian Ocean until the plane ran out of fuel and crashed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : This scenario begins with the eruption of hazardous materials within the cargo hold – either improperly packaged or illegally shipped – or both. It is thought the missing plane climbed to 45,000ft - a move Mr Vincent believes may have resulted from the pilots not being able to see the controls properly. 'Missing jet WAS carrying highly flammable lithium batteries: CEO of Malaysian Airlines finally admits to dangerous cargo four days after DENYING it' Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586308/Missing-jet-WAS-carrying-highly-flammable-lithium-batteries-CEO-Malaysian-Airlines-finally-admits-dangerous-cargo.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : It appears that you're mistaken, John, at least according to the folks who are in a position to know how much fuel the plane had. Judy, It doesn't appear the plane has enough fuel to reach Kyrgyzstan or Iran for that matter, unless it landed and refueled in India or western China. Nonetheless, it appears likely that the plane was hijacked and diverted into a new destination by people on board, perhaps including a passenger and a crew member. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Latest from Malaysian officials is the assumption that the plane was deliberately diverted by people on board. And then there's this: Early this morning BBC reporter Jonah Fisher tweeted, 'Being briefed by Malaysia officials they believe most likely location for MH370 is on land somewhere near Chinese/Kyrgyz border.'...A violent Uyghur separatist movement is active in [the eastern portion of Kyrgyzstan].” http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/15/flight_370_disappearance_missing_airliner_apparently_flew_to_central_asia.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/15/flight_370_disappearance_missing_airliner_apparently_flew_to_central_asia.html
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Please forgive my ignorance but what is a prahsna chart? On Fri, 3/21/14, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jet Vanishes To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 21, 2014, 8:07 PM I casted a prashna chart a few days ago asking the question, did the Malaysian plane crash? It took me a while to interpret the chart until I found the likely scenario about this mysterious case. The chart revealed that the plane crashed indeed. The likely culprit is the co-pilot, who appears on the surface to be a devout Muslim. However, he had dark side to his psyche, which included the belief that he could die for his religion in order to attain heaven and bliss. And it didn't matter if he took others to the grave with him. He was also an ambitious man who wanted to rise in his chosen field. He wanted to be the main pilot for the company he was working for. It appeared that in the past he had history of disagreeing with the main pilot he was working with during the previous flights. The reason for this was that he thought he was just as qualified as they were to command the airplane on his own terms. The chart further reveals that his ambition may have been threatened by the company's refusal to give him the opportunity to reach his goal of being the captain of the airplane. As such, he probably thought that his career was over and that his life was meaningless. Thus, the dark side of his psyche took over. On this last flight, he already planned that he was going to commit suicide and take everyone else with him in vengeance against the company. So, after about 40 minutes from take-off, he killed the main pilot and took control of the airplane. He then reported to base saying that everything was all right. Good night. He changed course and made the plane climb to a very high altitude in order to kill the rest of the passengers. Then he set the automatic controls to take over and head for a meaningless direction towards the Indian Ocean until the plane ran out of fuel and crashed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : This scenario begins with the eruption of hazardous materials within the cargo hold – either improperly packaged or illegally shipped – or both. It is thought the missing plane climbed to 45,000ft - a move Mr Vincent believes may have resulted from the pilots not being able to see the controls properly. 'Missing jet WAS carrying highly flammable lithium batteries: CEO of Malaysian Airlines finally admits to dangerous cargo four days after DENYING it' Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : It appears that you're mistaken, John, at least according to the folks who are in a position to know how much fuel the plane had. Judy, It doesn't appear the plane has enough fuel to reach Kyrgyzstan or Iran for that matter, unless it landed and refueled in India or western China. Nonetheless, it appears likely that the plane was hijacked and diverted into a new destination by people on board, perhaps including a passenger and a crew member. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Latest from Malaysian officials is the assumption that the plane was deliberately diverted by people on board. And then there's this: Early this morning BBC reporter Jonah Fisher tweeted, 'Being briefed by Malaysia officials they believe most likely location for MH370 is on land somewhere near Chinese/Kyrgyz border.'...A violent Uyghur separatist movement is active in [the eastern portion of Kyrgyzstan].” http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/15/flight_370_disappearance_missing_airliner_apparently_flew_to_central_asia.html
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You mean the chart tells you all this? Or are some of the details gleaned from news reports about the co-pilot? On Fri, 3/21/14, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jet Vanishes To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 21, 2014, 8:07 PM I casted a prashna chart a few days ago asking the question, did the Malaysian plane crash? It took me a while to interpret the chart until I found the likely scenario about this mysterious case. The chart revealed that the plane crashed indeed. The likely culprit is the co-pilot, who appears on the surface to be a devout Muslim. However, he had dark side to his psyche, which included the belief that he could die for his religion in order to attain heaven and bliss. And it didn't matter if he took others to the grave with him. He was also an ambitious man who wanted to rise in his chosen field. He wanted to be the main pilot for the company he was working for. It appeared that in the past he had history of disagreeing with the main pilot he was working with during the previous flights. The reason for this was that he thought he was just as qualified as they were to command the airplane on his own terms. The chart further reveals that his ambition may have been threatened by the company's refusal to give him the opportunity to reach his goal of being the captain of the airplane. As such, he probably thought that his career was over and that his life was meaningless. Thus, the dark side of his psyche took over. On this last flight, he already planned that he was going to commit suicide and take everyone else with him in vengeance against the company. So, after about 40 minutes from take-off, he killed the main pilot and took control of the airplane. He then reported to base saying that everything was all right. Good night. He changed course and made the plane climb to a very high altitude in order to kill the rest of the passengers. Then he set the automatic controls to take over and head for a meaningless direction towards the Indian Ocean until the plane ran out of fuel and crashed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : This scenario begins with the eruption of hazardous materials within the cargo hold – either improperly packaged or illegally shipped – or both. It is thought the missing plane climbed to 45,000ft - a move Mr Vincent believes may have resulted from the pilots not being able to see the controls properly. 'Missing jet WAS carrying highly flammable lithium batteries: CEO of Malaysian Airlines finally admits to dangerous cargo four days after DENYING it' Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : It appears that you're mistaken, John, at least according to the folks who are in a position to know how much fuel the plane had. Judy, It doesn't appear the plane has enough fuel to reach Kyrgyzstan or Iran for that matter, unless it landed and refueled in India or western China. Nonetheless, it appears likely that the plane was hijacked and diverted into a new destination by people on board, perhaps including a passenger and a crew member. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Latest from Malaysian officials is the assumption that the plane was deliberately diverted by people on board. And then there's this: Early this morning BBC reporter Jonah Fisher tweeted, 'Being briefed by Malaysia officials they believe most likely location for MH370 is on land somewhere near Chinese/Kyrgyz border.'...A violent Uyghur separatist movement is active in [the eastern portion of Kyrgyzstan].” http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/15/flight_370_disappearance_missing_airliner_apparently_flew_to_central_asia.html
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Michael, The prashna chart shows me the circumstances of the flight. It also shows the motivations of the various players in the flight, including the pilot and the passengers. One has to analyze these factors to see how this horrendous event could happen. The details of the analysis were synthesized into the scenario from the information I gathered from the news. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You mean the chart tells you all this? Or are some of the details gleaned from news reports about the co-pilot? On Fri, 3/21/14, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jet Vanishes To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 21, 2014, 8:07 PM I casted a prashna chart a few days ago asking the question, did the Malaysian plane crash? It took me a while to interpret the chart until I found the likely scenario about this mysterious case. The chart revealed that the plane crashed indeed. The likely culprit is the co-pilot, who appears on the surface to be a devout Muslim. However, he had dark side to his psyche, which included the belief that he could die for his religion in order to attain heaven and bliss. And it didn't matter if he took others to the grave with him. He was also an ambitious man who wanted to rise in his chosen field. He wanted to be the main pilot for the company he was working for. It appeared that in the past he had history of disagreeing with the main pilot he was working with during the previous flights. The reason for this was that he thought he was just as qualified as they were to command the airplane on his own terms. The chart further reveals that his ambition may have been threatened by the company's refusal to give him the opportunity to reach his goal of being the captain of the airplane. As such, he probably thought that his career was over and that his life was meaningless. Thus, the dark side of his psyche took over. On this last flight, he already planned that he was going to commit suicide and take everyone else with him in vengeance against the company. So, after about 40 minutes from take-off, he killed the main pilot and took control of the airplane. He then reported to base saying that everything was all right. Good night. He changed course and made the plane climb to a very high altitude in order to kill the rest of the passengers. Then he set the automatic controls to take over and head for a meaningless direction towards the Indian Ocean until the plane ran out of fuel and crashed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : This scenario begins with the eruption of hazardous materials within the cargo hold – either improperly packaged or illegally shipped – or both. It is thought the missing plane climbed to 45,000ft - a move Mr Vincent believes may have resulted from the pilots not being able to see the controls properly. 'Missing jet WAS carrying highly flammable lithium batteries: CEO of Malaysian Airlines finally admits to dangerous cargo four days after DENYING it' Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : It appears that you're mistaken, John, at least according to the folks who are in a position to know how much fuel the plane had. Judy, It doesn't appear the plane has enough fuel to reach Kyrgyzstan or Iran for that matter, unless it landed and refueled in India or western China. Nonetheless, it appears likely that the plane was hijacked and diverted into a new destination by people on board, perhaps including a passenger and a crew member. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Latest from Malaysian officials is the assumption that the plane was deliberately diverted by people on board. And then there's this: Early this morning BBC reporter Jonah Fisher tweeted, 'Being briefed by Malaysia officials they believe most likely location for MH370 is on land somewhere near Chinese/Kyrgyz border.'...A violent Uyghur separatist movement is active in [the eastern portion of Kyrgyzstan].” http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/15/flight_370_disappearance_missing_airliner_apparently_flew_to_central_asia.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/15/flight_370_disappearance_missing_airliner_apparently_flew_to_central_asia.html
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Why would going to 45,000 feet kill the passengers? Wouldn’t the plane still be pressurized and have oxygen? And if insufficient Oxygen, wouldn’t the masks drop down? And if it did kill the passengers, wouldn’t it also kill the pilots?
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MJ, In jyotish, a prashna chart indicates the position of the planets at a particular instant. Thus, if you ask a question at a specific time, the chart can give you the answer to your question. The techniques for making this possible are detailed in books by a few jyotishis in India. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Please forgive my ignorance but what is a prahsna chart? On Fri, 3/21/14, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jet Vanishes To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 21, 2014, 8:07 PM I casted a prashna chart a few days ago asking the question, did the Malaysian plane crash? It took me a while to interpret the chart until I found the likely scenario about this mysterious case. The chart revealed that the plane crashed indeed. The likely culprit is the co-pilot, who appears on the surface to be a devout Muslim. However, he had dark side to his psyche, which included the belief that he could die for his religion in order to attain heaven and bliss. And it didn't matter if he took others to the grave with him. He was also an ambitious man who wanted to rise in his chosen field. He wanted to be the main pilot for the company he was working for. It appeared that in the past he had history of disagreeing with the main pilot he was working with during the previous flights. The reason for this was that he thought he was just as qualified as they were to command the airplane on his own terms. The chart further reveals that his ambition may have been threatened by the company's refusal to give him the opportunity to reach his goal of being the captain of the airplane. As such, he probably thought that his career was over and that his life was meaningless. Thus, the dark side of his psyche took over. On this last flight, he already planned that he was going to commit suicide and take everyone else with him in vengeance against the company. So, after about 40 minutes from take-off, he killed the main pilot and took control of the airplane. He then reported to base saying that everything was all right. Good night. He changed course and made the plane climb to a very high altitude in order to kill the rest of the passengers. Then he set the automatic controls to take over and head for a meaningless direction towards the Indian Ocean until the plane ran out of fuel and crashed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : This scenario begins with the eruption of hazardous materials within the cargo hold – either improperly packaged or illegally shipped – or both. It is thought the missing plane climbed to 45,000ft - a move Mr Vincent believes may have resulted from the pilots not being able to see the controls properly. 'Missing jet WAS carrying highly flammable lithium batteries: CEO of Malaysian Airlines finally admits to dangerous cargo four days after DENYING it' Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : It appears that you're mistaken, John, at least according to the folks who are in a position to know how much fuel the plane had. Judy, It doesn't appear the plane has enough fuel to reach Kyrgyzstan or Iran for that matter, unless it landed and refueled in India or western China. Nonetheless, it appears likely that the plane was hijacked and diverted into a new destination by people on board, perhaps including a passenger and a crew member. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Latest from Malaysian officials is the assumption that the plane was deliberately diverted by people on board. And then there's this: Early this morning BBC reporter Jonah Fisher tweeted, 'Being briefed by Malaysia officials they believe most likely location for MH370 is on land somewhere near Chinese/Kyrgyz border.'...A violent Uyghur separatist movement is active in [the eastern portion of Kyrgyzstan].” http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/15/flight_370_disappearance_missing_airliner_apparently_flew_to_central_asia.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/15/flight_370_disappearance_missing_airliner_apparently_flew_to_central_asia.html
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Is this generally done by itself or is it done in conjunction with one's birth chart and/or the progression chart for that year? On Fri, 3/21/14, jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jet Vanishes To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 21, 2014, 9:09 PM MJ, In jyotish, a prashna chart indicates the position of the planets at a particular instant. Thus, if you ask a question at a specific time, the chart can give you the answer to your question. The techniques for making this possible are detailed in books by a few jyotishis in India. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Please forgive my ignorance but what is a prahsna chart? On Fri, 3/21/14, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jet Vanishes To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 21, 2014, 8:07 PM I casted a prashna chart a few days ago asking the question, did the Malaysian plane crash? It took me a while to interpret the chart until I found the likely scenario about this mysterious case. The chart revealed that the plane crashed indeed. The likely culprit is the co-pilot, who appears on the surface to be a devout Muslim. However, he had dark side to his psyche, which included the belief that he could die for his religion in order to attain heaven and bliss. And it didn't matter if he took others to the grave with him. He was also an ambitious man who wanted to rise in his chosen field. He wanted to be the main pilot for the company he was working for. It appeared that in the past he had history of disagreeing with the main pilot he was working with during the previous flights. The reason for this was that he thought he was just as qualified as they were to command the airplane on his own terms. The chart further reveals that his ambition may have been threatened by the company's refusal to give him the opportunity to reach his goal of being the captain of the airplane. As such, he probably thought that his career was over and that his life was meaningless. Thus, the dark side of his psyche took over. On this last flight, he already planned that he was going to commit suicide and take everyone else with him in vengeance against the company. So, after about 40 minutes from take-off, he killed the main pilot and took control of the airplane. He then reported to base saying that everything was all right. Good night. He changed course and made the plane climb to a very high altitude in order to kill the rest of the passengers. Then he set the automatic controls to take over and head for a meaningless direction towards the Indian Ocean until the plane ran out of fuel and crashed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : This scenario begins with the eruption of hazardous materials within the cargo hold – either improperly packaged or illegally shipped – or both. It is thought the missing plane climbed to 45,000ft - a move Mr Vincent believes may have resulted from the pilots not being able to see the controls properly. 'Missing jet WAS carrying highly flammable lithium batteries: CEO of Malaysian Airlines finally admits to dangerous cargo four days after DENYING it' Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : It appears that you're mistaken, John, at least according to the folks who are in a position to know how much fuel the plane had. Judy, It doesn't appear the plane has enough fuel to reach Kyrgyzstan or Iran for that matter, unless it landed and refueled in India or western China. Nonetheless, it appears likely that the plane was hijacked and diverted into a new destination by people on board, perhaps including a passenger and a crew member. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Latest from Malaysian officials is the assumption that the plane was deliberately diverted by people on board. And then there's this: Early this morning BBC reporter Jonah Fisher tweeted, 'Being briefed by Malaysia officials they believe most likely location for MH370 is on land somewhere near Chinese/Kyrgyz border.'...A violent Uyghur separatist movement is active in [the eastern portion of Kyrgyzstan].” http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/15/flight_370_disappearance_missing_airliner_apparently_flew_to_central_asia.html
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Rick, A former pilot stated in the news that this maneuver can kill the passengers in a few minutes. Perhaps, its possible for the pilot to depressurize the passenger cabin and not the pilot cabin. And, it could also be possible to turn off the oxygen that are normally available coming from the masks. I am assuming this happened since the investigators don't have any evidence that any of the passengers attempted to call anyone through their cells phones, nor any struggle to take control over the plane by the passengers or the attendant crew.
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MJ, Prashna charts are done when a person wants to know the answer to a specific question that is applicable to his or her life at the present time. The jyotishi can use this chart along with the standard birth chart and the progression chart for that year to determine the answer. But the usual questions for the prashna are to find out where a lost item can be found. Typically, the question to be asked should be framed in a way so that the answer can be a yes or a no. In the example of the missing plane, I went into more details in making the interpretaion that is normally given in a prashna reading. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Is this generally done by itself or is it done in conjunction with one's birth chart and/or the progression chart for that year? On Fri, 3/21/14, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jet Vanishes To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 21, 2014, 9:09 PM MJ, In jyotish, a prashna chart indicates the position of the planets at a particular instant. Thus, if you ask a question at a specific time, the chart can give you the answer to your question. The techniques for making this possible are detailed in books by a few jyotishis in India. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Please forgive my ignorance but what is a prahsna chart? On Fri, 3/21/14, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jet Vanishes To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 21, 2014, 8:07 PM I casted a prashna chart a few days ago asking the question, did the Malaysian plane crash? It took me a while to interpret the chart until I found the likely scenario about this mysterious case. The chart revealed that the plane crashed indeed. The likely culprit is the co-pilot, who appears on the surface to be a devout Muslim. However, he had dark side to his psyche, which included the belief that he could die for his religion in order to attain heaven and bliss. And it didn't matter if he took others to the grave with him. He was also an ambitious man who wanted to rise in his chosen field. He wanted to be the main pilot for the company he was working for. It appeared that in the past he had history of disagreeing with the main pilot he was working with during the previous flights. The reason for this was that he thought he was just as qualified as they were to command the airplane on his own terms. The chart further reveals that his ambition may have been threatened by the company's refusal to give him the opportunity to reach his goal of being the captain of the airplane. As such, he probably thought that his career was over and that his life was meaningless. Thus, the dark side of his psyche took over. On this last flight, he already planned that he was going to commit suicide and take everyone else with him in vengeance against the company. So, after about 40 minutes from take-off, he killed the main pilot and took control of the airplane. He then reported to base saying that everything was all right. Good night. He changed course and made the plane climb to a very high altitude in order to kill the rest of the passengers. Then he set the automatic controls to take over and head for a meaningless direction towards the Indian Ocean until the plane ran out of fuel and crashed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : This scenario begins with the eruption of hazardous materials within the cargo hold – either improperly packaged or illegally shipped – or both. It is thought the missing plane climbed to 45,000ft - a move Mr Vincent believes may have resulted from the pilots not being able to see the controls properly. 'Missing jet WAS carrying highly flammable lithium batteries: CEO of Malaysian Airlines finally admits to dangerous cargo four days after DENYING it' Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : It appears that you're mistaken, John, at least according to the folks who are in a position to know how much fuel the plane had. Judy, It doesn't appear the plane has enough fuel to reach Kyrgyzstan
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My prediction is that this is going to be HUGE when we find out the mystery. Until then, what we have is a lost Boeing 777. That's already huge, and it may get a lot bigger in the next few days.Something has got to break with millions of people looking for any trace of the plane. It seems to be more than just a strong coincidence that the loss of contact with the aircraft happened at the point of handover. 'Missing Flight MH370 could have been hijacked in radar 'black hole' between Malaysia and Vietnam' http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3269867 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-3269867 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : This a mysterious case of an airplane disappearing with no warning. My first reaction was it was shot down by a missile. But by whom and why? My next suspicion was that it could be that the pilots have purposely crashed the plane. They may have been members of a terrorist group who were making a a deadly statement about their political or religious beliefs. http://news.yahoo.com/china-bound-malaysian-jet-vanishes-239-aboard-034021081.html http://news.yahoo.com/china-bound-malaysian-jet-vanishes-239-aboard-034021081.html
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Good to see Uri hasn't lost his talent for self promotion, as it's the only talent he ever had. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Psychic spoon-bender Uri Geller today revealed he has been asked to help find the missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft. http://tinyurl.com/o3tfd62 http://tinyurl.com/o3tfd62
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Given this turn of events, once he mastered bending spoons, he possibly then created a side business, finding missing silverware, for others -- Hmm...the dinner fork is beneath the sideboard...or the sofa...or upstairs, somewhere. That will be $20, far less than the cost of replacement... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Psychic spoon-bender Uri Geller today revealed he has been asked to help find the missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft. http://tinyurl.com/o3tfd62 http://tinyurl.com/o3tfd62
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Latest from Malaysian officials is the assumption that the plane was deliberately diverted by people on board. And then there's this: Early this morning BBC reporter Jonah Fisher tweeted, 'Being briefed by Malaysia officials they believe most likely location for MH370 is on land somewhere near Chinese/Kyrgyz border.'...A violent Uyghur separatist movement is active in [the eastern portion of Kyrgyzstan].” http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/15/flight_370_disappearance_missing_airliner_apparently_flew_to_central_asia.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/15/flight_370_disappearance_missing_airliner_apparently_flew_to_central_asia.html
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Not too far from the truth. Uri Gellar now makes a living finding oil, gas and other minerals for mining companies. He does this by waving a pendulum over a map. We only have his aggrandised version of events to gauge his success - if that's even what he does at all - but I'm guessing 50/50. He is a very good salesman and they always find suckers. One born every minute apparently ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Given this turn of events, once he mastered bending spoons, he possibly then created a side business, finding missing silverware, for others -- Hmm...the dinner fork is beneath the sideboard...or the sofa...or upstairs, somewhere. That will be $20, far less than the cost of replacement... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Psychic spoon-bender Uri Geller today revealed he has been asked to help find the missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft. http://tinyurl.com/o3tfd62 http://tinyurl.com/o3tfd62
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Some retired US general also speculated that there is a remote possibility that it could be on land in Iran. Could be loaded up with explosives or even a nuke and delivered to Israel in the future. Who knows? On Saturday, March 15, 2014 7:10 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Latest from Malaysian officials is the assumption that the plane was deliberately diverted by people on board. And then there's this: Early this morning BBC reporter Jonah Fisher tweeted, 'Being briefed by Malaysia officials they believe most likely location for MH370 is on land somewhere near Chinese/Kyrgyz border.'...A violent Uyghur separatist movement is active in [the eastern portion of Kyrgyzstan].” http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/15/flight_370_disappearance_missing_airliner_apparently_flew_to_central_asia.html
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The pilot's own YouTube pages has links to his favourites. He's a big fan of Richard Dawkins's The God Delusion and subscribed to Richard Dawkins Foundation for Science and Reason. And he approves of Atheist Michael Newdow Intellectually Demolishes Arrogant Moron on Fox News. He was tickled by a vicious rant about Pope Benedict XVI and took an interest in a video on atheism and gay rights. So he's definitely *not* a fundamentalist loony. He also liked a political piece attacking corruption. More ominously he likes the video: 5 Crazy Pranks To Play On Your Friends And Family! and vids showing how to make animals out of balloons - yikes! There are a fair few tutorials on jailbreaking iPods and other devices (lost on me). And he likes this track . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3ZcG3mHc3M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3ZcG3mHc3M The complete list is here: https://www.youtube.com/user/catalinapby1 https://www.youtube.com/user/catalinapby1
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Re this ability to access others' YouTube pages - history/favourites/likes/etc. - is it possible to put a block on one's own YouTube page? It's creepy thinking that anyone anywhere can follow your deviant desires, crackpot theories, political affiliations and vulgar tastes. I'm not asking for protection from the NSA or GCHQ - just from my work colleagues and next-door neighbours.
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Bends spoons, finds riches, I wonder if he could remove a small dent from my car, using a remote mallet? I'll check later - my intent should have reached him by now... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Not too far from the truth. Uri Gellar now makes a living finding oil, gas and other minerals for mining companies. He does this by waving a pendulum over a map. We only have his aggrandised version of events to gauge his success - if that's even what he does at all - but I'm guessing 50/50. He is a very good salesman and they always find suckers. One born every minute apparently ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Given this turn of events, once he mastered bending spoons, he possibly then created a side business, finding missing silverware, for others -- Hmm...the dinner fork is beneath the sideboard...or the sofa...or upstairs, somewhere. That will be $20, far less than the cost of replacement... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Psychic spoon-bender Uri Geller today revealed he has been asked to help find the missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft. http://tinyurl.com/o3tfd62 http://tinyurl.com/o3tfd62
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On 3/15/2014 9:31 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: Some retired US general also speculated that there is a remote possibility that it could be on land in Iran. Thanks, Mike. There are several other theories about the vanishing jet plane: The passengers could still be alive! Maybe Iranians skyjacked the plane and kidnapped the Texas engineers who were passengers and who worked for the Freescale Semiconductor company - the two Iranians with the stolen passports maybe forced the plane to land in the nearest Muslim friendly country - East Timor, where the plane now sits in a hanger. Also: There is probably an Edward Snowden connection, and there could be aliens to blame. The Illuminati is certainly involved, plus there's a new Bermuda Triangle in the South China Sea. Or: There could have been a tiny hydrogen bomb planted on the plane that, when detonated, caused the whole plane and all its passengers to be sucked into an invisible black hole. Go figure. http://www.boston.com/
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Judy, It doesn't appear the plane has enough fuel to reach Kyrgyzstan or Iran for that matter, unless it landed and refueled in India or western China. Nonetheless, it appears likely that the plane was hijacked and diverted into a new destination by people on board, perhaps including a passenger and a crew member. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Latest from Malaysian officials is the assumption that the plane was deliberately diverted by people on board. And then there's this: Early this morning BBC reporter Jonah Fisher tweeted, 'Being briefed by Malaysia officials they believe most likely location for MH370 is on land somewhere near Chinese/Kyrgyz border.'...A violent Uyghur separatist movement is active in [the eastern portion of Kyrgyzstan].” http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/15/flight_370_disappearance_missing_airliner_apparently_flew_to_central_asia.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/15/flight_370_disappearance_missing_airliner_apparently_flew_to_central_asia.html
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It appears that you're mistaken, John, at least according to the folks who are in a position to know how much fuel the plane had. Judy, It doesn't appear the plane has enough fuel to reach Kyrgyzstan or Iran for that matter, unless it landed and refueled in India or western China. Nonetheless, it appears likely that the plane was hijacked and diverted into a new destination by people on board, perhaps including a passenger and a crew member. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Latest from Malaysian officials is the assumption that the plane was deliberately diverted by people on board. And then there's this: Early this morning BBC reporter Jonah Fisher tweeted, 'Being briefed by Malaysia officials they believe most likely location for MH370 is on land somewhere near Chinese/Kyrgyz border.'...A violent Uyghur separatist movement is active in [the eastern portion of Kyrgyzstan].” http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/15/flight_370_disappearance_missing_airliner_apparently_flew_to_central_asia.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/15/flight_370_disappearance_missing_airliner_apparently_flew_to_central_asia.html
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A few days ago, a caller to a radio talk show mentioned that he was a frequent flyer. And he has two artificial hips. Every airport he'd flown from his hips have set off the alarm on the screening devices - that is every airport he's flown from *except* Kuala Lumpur - which he'd used twice. If security is that lax we can assume terrorists are aware of that fact. PS: re my YouTube query above, I've now re-set my privacy parameters but my Favourites are still available for the world to see. (Only a problem if you've set up your YouTube using your given name.) I wonder how many others are unaware that their history is public. Could lead to some embarrassing revelations.
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One new theory states that the plane actually landed somewhere. So, it was an act of piracy. But if the intent was to sell the plane to another company. Who would buy it? http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/one-u-s-theory-planes-disappearance-act-piracy-n52941 http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/one-u-s-theory-planes-disappearance-act-piracy-n52941
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You mean, So, if this theory is correct, it was an act of piracy, right? There's still a bunch of different theories. Don't jump the gun. One new theory states that the plane actually landed somewhere. So, it was an act of piracy. But if the intent was to sell the plane to another company. Who would buy it? http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/one-u-s-theory-planes-disappearance-act-piracy-n52941 http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/one-u-s-theory-planes-disappearance-act-piracy-n52941
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On 3/14/2014 3:06 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: You mean, So, if this theory is correct, it was an act of piracy, right? Reuters - Military radar data suggests a Malaysia Airlines jetliner missing for nearly a week was deliberately flown hundreds of miles off course, heightening suspicions of foul play among investigators, sources told Reuters on Friday. http://www.reuters.com/malaysia-airlines-radar-exclusive/ http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/14/us-malaysia-airlines-radar-exclusive-idUSBREA2D0DG20140314
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jet Vanishes
If the Boeing 777 simulator the pilot played with at home has a history record I'd want to check if he'd been sampling the Kamikaze Death Dive program in recent weeks. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : My wife is on record saying that the plane landed in Pakistan or North Korea. It was commandeered by terrorists, the passengers gassed, and this is the new terrorism threat. I am leaning towards pilot suicide, and that a break will come from examining phone records of passengers, where they will discover attempted calls (or e-mails) around the same time from some of those on the plane. When people suspect trouble, they do reactivate their electronic devices. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : I notice that the pilot Shah was described as an aviation geek. Shah had a Boeing 77 simulator at his home(!) in Kuala Lumpur. “We used to tease him. We would ask him, why are you bringing your work home,” said a friend. Shah also collected remote-controlled, miniature aircraft! That suggests to me the guy is a total loon. He lived for his passion - flying. Maybe he wanted to die engaged in his passion also?
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Psychic spoon-bender Uri Geller today revealed he has been asked to help find the missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft. http://tinyurl.com/o3tfd62 http://tinyurl.com/o3tfd62
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There is nothing. My bet is still on the aircraft's possible sudden, rapid depressurization theory. If the pilots failed to put on masks they could have blacked out from the lack of oxygen. So, this theory goes like this: the sudden decompression of the plane for unknown reasons, but it could have been from a crack in the fuselage; turning the plane to return to land with auto-pilot on; failure to don face masks; the flight continues for four hours; the plane runs out of fuel; and falls into the Indian Ocean. In this scenario, all the passengers and the pilots would be long dead before the actual crash, since no cell phone calls came from any of the passengers. This would also account for calls being made to some of the passengers by their relatives - the phones were still connected but no answer was heard. Go figure. 'There Is Nothing': Malaysian Authorities Do Not Find Missing Plane Where Chinese Satellite Images Showed Possible Debris CBS News DC: http://washington.cbslocal.com/there-is-nothing-malaysian/plane/possible-debris/http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/13/there-is-nothing-malaysian-authorities-do-not-find-missing-plane-where-chinese-satellite-images-showed-possible-debris/ On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: On 3/10/2014 8:34 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Something doesn't smell right with this incident. It's also possible a passenger had exploded a bomb up there and then the plane disintegrated. That's why fragments of the airplane could not be found. There would still be scattered debris and oil slicks not to mention body parts. Things don't blow up to smithereens or just dust particles. At cruising altitude, 35,000 feet, all that might be left are small bits sinking into the ocean. A senior source involved in preliminary investigations in Malaysia said the failure to find any debris indicated the plane may have broken up mid-flight, which could disperse wreckage over a very wide area. Ten countries scour sea for Malaysia jet lost in 'unprecedented mystery' http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report/unprecedented-mystery/http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report-ten-countries-scour-sea-for-malaysia-jet-lost-in-unprecedented-mystery-1968350
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Why did the transponder stop transmitting? My bet is still on the aircraft's possible sudden, rapid depressurization theory. If the pilots failed to put on masks they could have blacked out from the lack of oxygen. So, this theory goes like this: the sudden decompression of the plane for unknown reasons, but it could have been from a crack in the fuselage; turning the plane to return to land with auto-pilot on; failure to don face masks; the flight continues for four hours; the plane runs out of fuel; and falls into the Indian Ocean. In this scenario, all the passengers and the pilots would be long dead before the actual crash, since no cell phone calls came from any of the passengers. This would also account for calls being made to some of the passengers by their relatives - the phones were still connected but no answer was heard. Go figure. ‘There Is Nothing’: Malaysian Authorities Do Not Find Missing Plane Where Chinese Satellite Images Showed Possible Debris CBS News DC: http://washington.cbslocal.com/there-is-nothing-malaysian/plane/possible-debris/ http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/13/there-is-nothing-malaysian-authorities-do-not-find-missing-plane-where-chinese-satellite-images-showed-possible-debris/
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On 3/13/2014 8:52 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *Why did the transponder stop transmitting?* That's in my next theory: The transponder was deliberately turned off. My bet is still on the aircraft's possible sudden, rapid depressurization theory. If the pilots failed to put on masks they could have blacked out from the lack of oxygen. So, this theory goes like this: the sudden decompression of the plane for unknown reasons, but it could have been from a crack in the fuselage; turning the plane to return to land with auto-pilot on; failure to don face masks; the flight continues for four hours; the plane runs out of fuel; and falls into the Indian Ocean. In this scenario, all the passengers and the pilots would be long dead before the actual crash, since no cell phone calls came from any of the passengers. This would also account for calls being made to some of the passengers by their relatives - the phones were still connected but no answer was heard. Go figure. ‘There Is Nothing’: Malaysian Authorities Do Not Find Missing Plane Where Chinese Satellite Images Showed Possible Debris CBS News DC: http://washington.cbslocal.com/there-is-nothing-malaysian/plane/possible-debris/ http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/13/there-is-nothing-malaysian-authorities-do-not-find-missing-plane-where-chinese-satellite-images-showed-possible-debris/
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Richard, why would the transponder be turned off deliberately if the plane was in trouble?! On Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:59 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/13/2014 8:52 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Why did the transponder stop transmitting? That's in my next theory: The transponder was deliberately turned off. My bet is still on the aircraft's possible sudden, rapid depressurization theory. If the pilots failed to put on masks they could have blacked out from the lack of oxygen. So, this theory goes like this: the sudden decompression of the plane for unknown reasons, but it could have been from a crack in the fuselage; turning the plane to return to land with auto-pilot on; failure to don face masks; the flight continues for four hours; the plane runs out of fuel; and falls into the Indian Ocean. In this scenario, all the passengers and the pilots would be long dead before the actual crash, since no cell phone calls came from any of the passengers. This would also account for calls being made to some of the passengers by their relatives - the phones were still connected but no answer was heard. Go figure. ‘There Is Nothing’: Malaysian Authorities Do Not Find Missing Plane Where Chinese Satellite Images Showed Possible Debris CBS News DC: http://washington.cbslocal.com/there-is-nothing-malaysian/plane/possible-debris/
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I am geeky enough to look that up -- Looks like a power interruption to the transponder itself, would do it. Also, if Richard's theory holds, lack of oxygen can get people doing odd things, including manually turning off the transponder. In other words, no clue. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Why did the transponder stop transmitting? My bet is still on the aircraft's possible sudden, rapid depressurization theory. If the pilots failed to put on masks they could have blacked out from the lack of oxygen. So, this theory goes like this: the sudden decompression of the plane for unknown reasons, but it could have been from a crack in the fuselage; turning the plane to return to land with auto-pilot on; failure to don face masks; the flight continues for four hours; the plane runs out of fuel; and falls into the Indian Ocean. In this scenario, all the passengers and the pilots would be long dead before the actual crash, since no cell phone calls came from any of the passengers. This would also account for calls being made to some of the passengers by their relatives - the phones were still connected but no answer was heard. Go figure. ‘There Is Nothing’: Malaysian Authorities Do Not Find Missing Plane Where Chinese Satellite Images Showed Possible Debris CBS News DC: http://washington.cbslocal.com/there-is-nothing-malaysian/plane/possible-debris/ http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/13/there-is-nothing-malaysian-authorities-do-not-find-missing-plane-where-chinese-satellite-images-showed-possible-debris/
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The transponder may have been turned off by the pilot or the co-pilot. As far as why, you'll have to wait until after I talk to Dad tonight - he was a pilot in the USAF and is keeping with this via all his AF connections. There was a rumor yesterday saying the plane landed somewhere - that's why the victim cell phones were still connected when some of the relatives called some of the passengers an hour or two after they went missing. Go figure. US military now say they believe missing Malaysian plane HAS crashed hundreds of miles away in the INDIAN Ocean... Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/malasian_plane/http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2579955/No-wreckage-no-cracks-fuselage-no-secret-engine-data-Clueless-airline-officials-rule-EVERY-new-crash-theory-going-come-REAL-information.html On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote: Richard, why would the transponder be turned off deliberately if the plane was in trouble?! On Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:59 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/13/2014 8:52 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *Why did the transponder stop transmitting?* That's in my next theory: The transponder was deliberately turned off. My bet is still on the aircraft's possible sudden, rapid depressurization theory. If the pilots failed to put on masks they could have blacked out from the lack of oxygen. So, this theory goes like this: the sudden decompression of the plane for unknown reasons, but it could have been from a crack in the fuselage; turning the plane to return to land with auto-pilot on; failure to don face masks; the flight continues for four hours; the plane runs out of fuel; and falls into the Indian Ocean. In this scenario, all the passengers and the pilots would be long dead before the actual crash, since no cell phone calls came from any of the passengers. This would also account for calls being made to some of the passengers by their relatives - the phones were still connected but no answer was heard. Go figure. 'There Is Nothing': Malaysian Authorities Do Not Find Missing Plane Where Chinese Satellite Images Showed Possible Debris CBS News DC: http://washington.cbslocal.com/there-is-nothing-malaysian/plane/possible-debris/http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/13/there-is-nothing-malaysian-authorities-do-not-find-missing-plane-where-chinese-satellite-images-showed-possible-debris/
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Most experts now (from what I've been reading) seem to be pretty sure the transponder was turned off deliberately. By whom, of course, is the question. But there seems to be fairly solid evidence emerging that the plane was functioning normally for a good four hours after the transponder signal was lost--its engines are designed to report on their status every half-hour (I think) to a ground (I think) station. That doesn't give any information as to where the plane is or what direction it's headed, but supposedly if those signals are being sent, it means the plane is still flying. What that all adds up to is anybody's guess, but it would seem to rule out loss of power or explosive decompression. I am geeky enough to look that up -- Looks like a power interruption to the transponder itself, would do it. Also, if Richard's theory holds, lack of oxygen can get people doing odd things, including manually turning off the transponder. In other words, no clue. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Why did the transponder stop transmitting? My bet is still on the aircraft's possible sudden, rapid depressurization theory. If the pilots failed to put on masks they could have blacked out from the lack of oxygen. So, this theory goes like this: the sudden decompression of the plane for unknown reasons, but it could have been from a crack in the fuselage; turning the plane to return to land with auto-pilot on; failure to don face masks; the flight continues for four hours; the plane runs out of fuel; and falls into the Indian Ocean. In this scenario, all the passengers and the pilots would be long dead before the actual crash, since no cell phone calls came from any of the passengers. This would also account for calls being made to some of the passengers by their relatives - the phones were still connected but no answer was heard. Go figure. ‘There Is Nothing’: Malaysian Authorities Do Not Find Missing Plane Where Chinese Satellite Images Showed Possible Debris CBS News DC: http://washington.cbslocal.com/there-is-nothing-malaysian/plane/possible-debris/ http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/13/there-is-nothing-malaysian-authorities-do-not-find-missing-plane-where-chinese-satellite-images-showed-possible-debris/
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I also read an article, stating that Malaysian airlines had declined to participate in the voluntary engine info program, that you mention. I don't know if that means they just don't get a performance report, or something more. What a mystery. Reminds me of Payne Stewart's crash - loss of oxygen, dead pilots and passengers, flew 'til empty. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Most experts now (from what I've been reading) seem to be pretty sure the transponder was turned off deliberately. By whom, of course, is the question. But there seems to be fairly solid evidence emerging that the plane was functioning normally for a good four hours after the transponder signal was lost--its engines are designed to report on their status every half-hour (I think) to a ground (I think) station. That doesn't give any information as to where the plane is or what direction it's headed, but supposedly if those signals are being sent, it means the plane is still flying. What that all adds up to is anybody's guess, but it would seem to rule out loss of power or explosive decompression. I am geeky enough to look that up -- Looks like a power interruption to the transponder itself, would do it. Also, if Richard's theory holds, lack of oxygen can get people doing odd things, including manually turning off the transponder. In other words, no clue. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Why did the transponder stop transmitting? My bet is still on the aircraft's possible sudden, rapid depressurization theory. If the pilots failed to put on masks they could have blacked out from the lack of oxygen. So, this theory goes like this: the sudden decompression of the plane for unknown reasons, but it could have been from a crack in the fuselage; turning the plane to return to land with auto-pilot on; failure to don face masks; the flight continues for four hours; the plane runs out of fuel; and falls into the Indian Ocean. In this scenario, all the passengers and the pilots would be long dead before the actual crash, since no cell phone calls came from any of the passengers. This would also account for calls being made to some of the passengers by their relatives - the phones were still connected but no answer was heard. Go figure. ‘There Is Nothing’: Malaysian Authorities Do Not Find Missing Plane Where Chinese Satellite Images Showed Possible Debris CBS News DC: http://washington.cbslocal.com/there-is-nothing-malaysian/plane/possible-debris/ http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/13/there-is-nothing-malaysian-authorities-do-not-find-missing-plane-where-chinese-satellite-images-showed-possible-debris/
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On 3/13/2014 5:38 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: What a mystery. The pilot or co-pilot could have turned off the transponder and then turned the plane in a different direction and flew for another four-five hours and hundreds of miles at 500 MPH toward the Indian Ocean. My bet at this point would be on a hijacking, rather than pilot suicide (no suicide note yet found). U.S. Investigators Suspect Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane Flew On for Hours' Wall Street Journal: http://tinyurl.com/qaj3mby
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The Wall St. Journal reporter who broke the story on the engine communications has an explanation for the Malaysian officials' denial. You'll have to listen to the story--it's about 6 minutes--to hear exactly what he says, but basically it's that the denial was very narrow and doesn't exhaust the possibilities: http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2014/03/13/malaysia-plane-pasztor http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2014/03/13/malaysia-plane-pasztor All this stuff is so technical it's almost impossible for the layperson to get a handle on it. I also read an article, stating that Malaysian airlines had declined to participate in the voluntary engine info program, that you mention. I don't know if that means they just don't get a performance report, or something more. What a mystery. Reminds me of Payne Stewart's crash - loss of oxygen, dead pilots and passengers, flew 'til empty. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Most experts now (from what I've been reading) seem to be pretty sure the transponder was turned off deliberately. By whom, of course, is the question. But there seems to be fairly solid evidence emerging that the plane was functioning normally for a good four hours after the transponder signal was lost--its engines are designed to report on their status every half-hour (I think) to a ground (I think) station. That doesn't give any information as to where the plane is or what direction it's headed, but supposedly if those signals are being sent, it means the plane is still flying. What that all adds up to is anybody's guess, but it would seem to rule out loss of power or explosive decompression. I am geeky enough to look that up -- Looks like a power interruption to the transponder itself, would do it. Also, if Richard's theory holds, lack of oxygen can get people doing odd things, including manually turning off the transponder. In other words, no clue. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Why did the transponder stop transmitting? My bet is still on the aircraft's possible sudden, rapid depressurization theory. If the pilots failed to put on masks they could have blacked out from the lack of oxygen. So, this theory goes like this: the sudden decompression of the plane for unknown reasons, but it could have been from a crack in the fuselage; turning the plane to return to land with auto-pilot on; failure to don face masks; the flight continues for four hours; the plane runs out of fuel; and falls into the Indian Ocean. In this scenario, all the passengers and the pilots would be long dead before the actual crash, since no cell phone calls came from any of the passengers. This would also account for calls being made to some of the passengers by their relatives - the phones were still connected but no answer was heard. Go figure. ‘There Is Nothing’: Malaysian Authorities Do Not Find Missing Plane Where Chinese Satellite Images Showed Possible Debris CBS News DC: http://washington.cbslocal.com/there-is-nothing-malaysian/plane/possible-debris/ http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/13/there-is-nothing-malaysian-authorities-do-not-find-missing-plane-where-chinese-satellite-images-showed-possible-debris/
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I notice that the pilot Shah was described as an aviation geek. Shah had a Boeing 77 simulator at his home(!) in Kuala Lumpur. “We used to tease him. We would ask him, why are you bringing your work home,” said a friend. Shah also collected remote-controlled, miniature aircraft! That suggests to me the guy is a total loon. He lived for his passion - flying. Maybe he wanted to die engaged in his passion also?
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My wife is on record saying that the plane landed in Pakistan or North Korea. It was commandeered by terrorists, the passengers gassed, and this is the new terrorism threat. I am leaning towards pilot suicide, and that a break will come from examining phone records of passengers, where they will discover attempted calls (or e-mails) around the same time from some of those on the plane. When people suspect trouble, they do reactivate their electronic devices. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : I notice that the pilot Shah was described as an aviation geek. Shah had a Boeing 77 simulator at his home(!) in Kuala Lumpur. “We used to tease him. We would ask him, why are you bringing your work home,” said a friend. Shah also collected remote-controlled, miniature aircraft! That suggests to me the guy is a total loon. He lived for his passion - flying. Maybe he wanted to die engaged in his passion also?
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Something doesn't smell right with this incident. It's also possible a passenger had exploded a bomb up there and then the plane disintegrated. That's why fragments of the airplane could not be found. I find it unlikely the plane could break up to pieces just by itself during the flight. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : They're now saying there were four passengers who may have been using stolen passports. Security experts have said passengers using stolen passports aren't unusual, but it's very rare for there to be more than one such passenger per flight. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Two of the people listed on the passenger manifest were apparently not who their passports said they were. The names on the passports were those of two men who had reported their passports stolen, and neither man was on the plane. If the plane did go down where the oil slick was just found, it'll be in relatively shallow water, so the wreckage shoudn't be that hard to find. This a mysterious case of an airplane disappearing with no warning. My first reaction was it was shot down by a missile. But by whom and why? My next suspicion was that it could be that the pilots have purposely crashed the plane. They may have been members of a terrorist group who were making a a deadly statement about their political or religious beliefs. http://news.yahoo.com/china-bound-malaysian-jet-vanishes-239-aboard-034021081.html http://news.yahoo.com/china-bound-malaysian-jet-vanishes-239-aboard-034021081.html
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But if it had exploded, or even just broken apart, in mid air there would be debris all over the place. All they can see is an oil slick. It must have gone down fast. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Something doesn't smell right with this incident. It's also possible a passenger had exploded a bomb up there and then the plane disintegrated. That's why fragments of the airplane could not be found. I find it unlikely the plane could break up to pieces just by itself during the flight. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : They're now saying there were four passengers who may have been using stolen passports. Security experts have said passengers using stolen passports aren't unusual, but it's very rare for there to be more than one such passenger per flight. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Two of the people listed on the passenger manifest were apparently not who their passports said they were. The names on the passports were those of two men who had reported their passports stolen, and neither man was on the plane. If the plane did go down where the oil slick was just found, it'll be in relatively shallow water, so the wreckage shoudn't be that hard to find. This a mysterious case of an airplane disappearing with no warning. My first reaction was it was shot down by a missile. But by whom and why? My next suspicion was that it could be that the pilots have purposely crashed the plane. They may have been members of a terrorist group who were making a a deadly statement about their political or religious beliefs. http://news.yahoo.com/china-bound-malaysian-jet-vanishes-239-aboard-034021081.html http://news.yahoo.com/china-bound-malaysian-jet-vanishes-239-aboard-034021081.html
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Something doesn't smell right with this incident. It's also possible a passenger had exploded a bomb up there and then the plane disintegrated. That's why fragments of the airplane could not be found. There would still be scattered debris and oil slicks not to mention body parts. Things don't blow up to smithereens or just dust particles. I find it unlikely the plane could break up to pieces just by itself during the flight. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : They're now saying there were four passengers who may have been using stolen passports. Security experts have said passengers using stolen passports aren't unusual, but it's very rare for there to be more than one such passenger per flight. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Two of the people listed on the passenger manifest were apparently not who their passports said they were. The names on the passports were those of two men who had reported their passports stolen, and neither man was on the plane. If the plane did go down where the oil slick was just found, it'll be in relatively shallow water, so the wreckage shoudn't be that hard to find. This a mysterious case of an airplane disappearing with no warning. My first reaction was it was shot down by a missile. But by whom and why? My next suspicion was that it could be that the pilots have purposely crashed the plane. They may have been members of a terrorist group who were making a a deadly statement about their political or religious beliefs. http://news.yahoo.com/china-bound-malaysian-jet-vanishes-239-aboard-034021081.html http://news.yahoo.com/china-bound-malaysian-jet-vanishes-239-aboard-034021081.html
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It's just occurring to you now that something doesn't smell right with this incident?? Something doesn't smell right with this incident. It's also possible a passenger had exploded a bomb up there and then the plane disintegrated. That's why fragments of the airplane could not be found. I find it unlikely the plane could break up to pieces just by itself during the flight. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : They're now saying there were four passengers who may have been using stolen passports. Security experts have said passengers using stolen passports aren't unusual, but it's very rare for there to be more than one such passenger per flight. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Two of the people listed on the passenger manifest were apparently not who their passports said they were. The names on the passports were those of two men who had reported their passports stolen, and neither man was on the plane. If the plane did go down where the oil slick was just found, it'll be in relatively shallow water, so the wreckage shoudn't be that hard to find. This a mysterious case of an airplane disappearing with no warning. My first reaction was it was shot down by a missile. But by whom and why? My next suspicion was that it could be that the pilots have purposely crashed the plane. They may have been members of a terrorist group who were making a a deadly statement about their political or religious beliefs. http://news.yahoo.com/china-bound-malaysian-jet-vanishes-239-aboard-034021081.html http://news.yahoo.com/china-bound-malaysian-jet-vanishes-239-aboard-034021081.html
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No matter how fast it went down, it would have disintegrated when it hit the water, and there'd still be debris; it would just be concentrated in a much smaller area. There surely is a debris field, scattered or otherwise. They just haven't found it yet. But if it had exploded, or even just broken apart, in mid air there would be debris all over the place. All they can see is an oil slick. It must have gone down fast. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Something doesn't smell right with this incident. It's also possible a passenger had exploded a bomb up there and then the plane disintegrated. That's why fragments of the airplane could not be found. I find it unlikely the plane could break up to pieces just by itself during the flight. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : They're now saying there were four passengers who may have been using stolen passports. Security experts have said passengers using stolen passports aren't unusual, but it's very rare for there to be more than one such passenger per flight. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Two of the people listed on the passenger manifest were apparently not who their passports said they were. The names on the passports were those of two men who had reported their passports stolen, and neither man was on the plane. If the plane did go down where the oil slick was just found, it'll be in relatively shallow water, so the wreckage shoudn't be that hard to find. This a mysterious case of an airplane disappearing with no warning. My first reaction was it was shot down by a missile. But by whom and why? My next suspicion was that it could be that the pilots have purposely crashed the plane. They may have been members of a terrorist group who were making a a deadly statement about their political or religious beliefs. http://news.yahoo.com/china-bound-malaysian-jet-vanishes-239-aboard-034021081.html http://news.yahoo.com/china-bound-malaysian-jet-vanishes-239-aboard-034021081.html
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On 3/10/2014 8:53 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: *No matter how fast it went down, it would have disintegrated when it hit the water, and there'd still be debris; it would just be concentrated in a much smaller area. There surely /is/ a debris field, scattered or otherwise. They just haven't found it yet.* But if it had exploded, or even just broken apart, in mid air there would be debris all over the place. All they can see is an oil slick. It must have gone down fast. The plane debris may be dispersed all over the place if the plane disintegrated at cruising altitude. They are looking for the ping from the flight recorder. More than a billion air journeys were taken last year without the passengers’ details being checked against a stolen-passport database, Interpol said on Sunday in a stinging critique of aircraft security following the Malaysia Airlines disaster. The Independent: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/malaysia-airline/ http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-incident-exposes-alarming-flaw-in-airline-security-9180189.html
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On 3/10/2014 8:34 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Something doesn't smell right with this incident. It's also possible a passenger had exploded a bomb up there and then the plane disintegrated. That's why fragments of the airplane could not be found. There would still be scattered debris and oil slicks not to mention body parts. Things don't blow up to smithereens or just dust particles. At cruising altitude, 35,000 feet, all that might be left are small bits sinking into the ocean. A senior source involved in preliminary investigations in Malaysia said the failure to find any debris indicated the plane may have broken up mid-flight, which could disperse wreckage over a very wide area. Ten countries scour sea for Malaysia jet lost in 'unprecedented mystery' http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report/unprecedented-mystery/ http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report-ten-countries-scour-sea-for-malaysia-jet-lost-in-unprecedented-mystery-1968350
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As Ann said, there would still be scattered debris and body parts that would remain on or float up to the surface. With regard to a crashed plane, disintegrate doesn't mean into its constituent atoms. Something doesn't smell right with this incident. It's also possible a passenger had exploded a bomb up there and then the plane disintegrated. That's why fragments of the airplane could not be found. There would still be scattered debris and oil slicks not to mention body parts. Things don't blow up to smithereens or just dust particles. At cruising altitude, 35,000 feet, all that might be left are small bits sinking into the ocean. A senior source involved in preliminary investigations in Malaysia said the failure to find any debris indicated the plane may have broken up mid-flight, which could disperse wreckage over a very wide area. Ten countries scour sea for Malaysia jet lost in 'unprecedented mystery' http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report/unprecedented-mystery/ http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report-ten-countries-scour-sea-for-malaysia-jet-lost-in-unprecedented-mystery-1968350
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Maybe it disappeared into the Asian Triangle. On 03/10/2014 12:20 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Something doesn't smell right with this incident. It's also possible a passenger had exploded a bomb up there and then the plane disintegrated. That's why fragments of the airplane could not be found. I find it unlikely the plane could break up to pieces just by itself during the flight. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : They're now saying there were /four/ passengers who may have been using stolen passports. Security experts have said passengers using stolen passports aren't unusual, but it's /very/ rare for there to be more than one such passenger per flight. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : *Two of the people listed on the passenger manifest were apparently not who their passports said they were. The names on the passports were those of two men who had reported their passports stolen, and neither man was on the plane.* *If the plane did go down where the oil slick was just found, it'll be in relatively shallow water, so the wreckage shoudn't be that hard to find.* This a mysterious case of an airplane disappearing with no warning. My first reaction was it was shot down by a missile. But by whom and why? My next suspicion was that it could be that the pilots have purposely crashed the plane. They may have been members of a terrorist group who were making a a deadly statement about their political or religious beliefs. http://news.yahoo.com/china-bound-malaysian-jet-vanishes-239-aboard-034021081.html
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Or, if the investigation fails, blame a guy named Mario Bartoli, who happens to be black, Italian and a soccer player.
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What?? Or, if the investigation fails, blame a guy named Mario Bartoli, who happens to be black, Italian and a soccer player.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Jet Vanishes
Oh, my goodness. They tested the oil slick, and it turns out it isn't from jet fuel after all. So now they really have no idea where that plane might have gone down. No matter how fast it went down, it would have disintegrated when it hit the water, and there'd still be debris; it would just be concentrated in a much smaller area. There surely is a debris field, scattered or otherwise. They just haven't found it yet. But if it had exploded, or even just broken apart, in mid air there would be debris all over the place. All they can see is an oil slick. It must have gone down fast. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Something doesn't smell right with this incident. It's also possible a passenger had exploded a bomb up there and then the plane disintegrated. That's why fragments of the airplane could not be found. I find it unlikely the plane could break up to pieces just by itself during the flight. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : They're now saying there were four passengers who may have been using stolen passports. Security experts have said passengers using stolen passports aren't unusual, but it's very rare for there to be more than one such passenger per flight. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Two of the people listed on the passenger manifest were apparently not who their passports said they were. The names on the passports were those of two men who had reported their passports stolen, and neither man was on the plane. If the plane did go down where the oil slick was just found, it'll be in relatively shallow water, so the wreckage shoudn't be that hard to find. This a mysterious case of an airplane disappearing with no warning. My first reaction was it was shot down by a missile. But by whom and why? My next suspicion was that it could be that the pilots have purposely crashed the plane. They may have been members of a terrorist group who were making a a deadly statement about their political or religious beliefs. http://news.yahoo.com/china-bound-malaysian-jet-vanishes-239-aboard-034021081.html http://news.yahoo.com/china-bound-malaysian-jet-vanishes-239-aboard-034021081.html
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Judy, A report stated that a Malaysian official identified the name of the person who boarded the plane with a stolen passport. His name was Mario Bartoli, a black Italian soccer player. A bit of a twist there for the curious!
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Balotelli, not Bartoli. According to AP, the official mentioned Balotelli not as one of the passengers with the stolen passports, but rather as a way of conveying to a reporter that one of the guys with the stolen passports was black, like Balotelli. You said, If the investigation fails, blame a guy named Mario Bartoli, who happens to be black, Italian and a soccer player. What does if the investigation fails mean? And why would we blame Balotelli? Judy, A report stated that a Malaysian official identified the name of the person who boarded the plane with a stolen passport. His name was Mario Bartoli, a black Italian soccer player. A bit of a twist there for the curious!
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They're now saying there were four passengers who may have been using stolen passports. Security experts have said passengers using stolen passports aren't unusual, but it's very rare for there to be more than one such passenger per flight. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Two of the people listed on the passenger manifest were apparently not who their passports said they were. The names on the passports were those of two men who had reported their passports stolen, and neither man was on the plane. If the plane did go down where the oil slick was just found, it'll be in relatively shallow water, so the wreckage shoudn't be that hard to find. This a mysterious case of an airplane disappearing with no warning. My first reaction was it was shot down by a missile. But by whom and why? My next suspicion was that it could be that the pilots have purposely crashed the plane. They may have been members of a terrorist group who were making a a deadly statement about their political or religious beliefs. http://news.yahoo.com/china-bound-malaysian-jet-vanishes-239-aboard-034021081.html http://news.yahoo.com/china-bound-malaysian-jet-vanishes-239-aboard-034021081.html
[FairfieldLife] RE: Jet Vanishes
Two of the people listed on the passenger manifest were apparently not who their passports said they were. The names on the passports were those of two men who had reported their passports stolen, and neither man was on the plane. If the plane did go down where the oil slick was just found, it'll be in relatively shallow water, so the wreckage shoudn't be that hard to find. This a mysterious case of an airplane disappearing with no warning. My first reaction was it was shot down by a missile. But by whom and why? My next suspicion was that it could be that the pilots have purposely crashed the plane. They may have been members of a terrorist group who were making a a deadly statement about their political or religious beliefs. http://news.yahoo.com/china-bound-malaysian-jet-vanishes-239-aboard-034021081.html http://news.yahoo.com/china-bound-malaysian-jet-vanishes-239-aboard-034021081.html
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Judy, That's good research on your part to get some details on this ghastly incident. Stay tuned for the next revelations.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Jet Vanishes
No research needed. It's the lead story in the NYTimes today. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/09/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/09/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html?hp Judy, That's good research on your part to get some details on this ghastly incident. Stay tuned for the next revelations.
