Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi in CC, GC or UC [was: This stuff never gets old...Maharishi vs. the movement]
On May 6, 2005, at 9:03 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: How is purity determined? A quick Google search says Patanjali lived somewhere between 200 BC and 200 AD. How does one determine whether one interpretation of an ancient religious scripture is more pure or correct than another? The idea of locking down something as free-flowing as spirituality into a box of rigid dogmatic purity strikes me as silly as trying to herd cats. Since these are instruction manuals, I don't know how realistic it is to call them dogmatic--it's kind like calling the users manual to your car dogmatic because it gives the instructions it knows will work. No, this isn't about my-guru-can-beat-up-your-guru esp. since my own teacher doesn't teach Patanjali. What my comments are/were about is when someone like the TMO claims to be restoring the purity of the tradition re: Patanjali, it might make sense to see what traditional samkhya-charyas (who hold lineal instructions on this user manual) have to say. Get some perspective and get a second opinion. Then decide on your own. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi in CC, GC or UC [was: This stuff never gets old...Maharishi vs. the movement]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 6, 2005, at 9:03 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: How is purity determined? A quick Google search says Patanjali lived somewhere between 200 BC and 200 AD. How does one determine whether one interpretation of an ancient religious scripture is more pure or correct than another? The idea of locking down something as free-flowing as spirituality into a box of rigid dogmatic purity strikes me as silly as trying to herd cats. Since these are instruction manuals, I don't know how realistic it is to call them dogmatic--it's kind like calling the users manual to your car dogmatic because it gives the instructions it knows will work. No, this isn't about my-guru-can-beat-up-your-guru esp. since my own teacher doesn't teach Patanjali. What my comments are/were about is when someone like the TMO claims to be restoring the purity of the tradition re: Patanjali, it might make sense to see what traditional samkhya-charyas (who hold lineal instructions on this user manual) have to say. ok, how do we know that you say is what traditional samkhya-charyas actually say , maybe you understand samkhya-charyas in a different way that they intended. (I'm more referring to their philosophy/system ) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi in CC, GC or UC [was: This stuff never gets old...Maharishi vs. the movement]
On May 9, 2005, at 1:21 PM, anonymousff wrote: ok, how do we know that you say is what traditional samkhya-charyas actually say , maybe you understand samkhya-charyas in a different way that they intended. (I'm more referring to their philosophy/system ) Make sure they are carrying a current samkhya-charya certification card from the Intergalactic Order of Enlightened Samkhya-charins. Look for the hyper-dimensional watermark to gauge authenticity. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi in CC, GC or UC [was: This stuff never gets old...Maharishi vs. the movement]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 9, 2005, at 1:21 PM, anonymousff wrote: ok, how do we know that you say is what traditional samkhya-charyas actually say , maybe you understand samkhya-charyas in a different way that they intended. (I'm more referring to their philosophy/system ) Make sure they are carrying a current samkhya-charya certification card from the Intergalactic Order of Enlightened Samkhya-charins. Look for the hyper-dimensional watermark to gauge authenticity. exactly my point. that being said, your prev posts are seen in the same light. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi in CC, GC or UC [was: This stuff never gets old...Maharishi vs. the movement]
On May 9, 2005, at 1:47 PM, anonymousff wrote: exactly my point. Well, that was for you. Anyone else could use common sense. Unless you were thick as a brick, you'd know right off something ain't right with what I was lead to believe--the contrast is pretty marked. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi in CC, GC or UC [was: This stuff never gets old...Maharishi vs. the movement]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 9, 2005, at 1:47 PM, anonymousff wrote: exactly my point. Well, that was for you. Anyone else could use common sense. Unless you were thick as a brick, you'd know right off something ain't right with what I was lead to believe--the contrast is pretty marked. and what exactly you think I was lead to believe? you might be fighting your own illusions here. just the same, you suggested that anyone who doesn't buy your schticks derived from your agenda is not using common sense. I suggest that you should check your attachments. You have been posting your schticks for a while now here, get a clue. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi in CC, GC or UC [was: This stuff never gets old...Maharishi vs. the movement]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 9, 2005, at 1:21 PM, anonymousff wrote: ok, how do we know that you say is what traditional samkhya-charyas actually say , maybe you understand samkhya-charyas in a different way that they intended. (I'm more referring to their philosophy/system ) Make sure they are carrying a current samkhya-charya certification card from the Intergalactic Order of Enlightened Samkhya-charins. Look for the hyper-dimensional watermark to gauge authenticity. exactly my point. that being said, your prev posts are seen in the same light. :) Hey, but this post was FUNNY, man. Funny has a light of its own. :-) Well done, Vaj... Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi in CC, GC or UC [was: This stuff never gets old...Maharishi vs. the movement]
On May 5, 2005, at 11:30 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: If by that, you mean did I ask someone from a different cult what he thinks of the TM cult's perspective? No, just going to another mass-market group would be silly (and probably counterproductive Alex). Instead find the purest example of the tradition and see what they have to say. Even just cracking the Patanjali sutras would tell that in order to get true CC or UC you need to get beyond the seeded. You need to fry those babies. Of course in a meditative state, in a group that has changed all the names from their original names and in a group where even enquiring is strictly verboten--we could believe anything. Any many have. Such is what happens when you try to package spirit. It was always free anyways. Veritas liberat I stopped doing the Sidhis program because I don't like how it feels to do them. I don't need to look outside myself to some book/guru authority figure to tell me whether a spiritual practice is right for me. Yeah, I'd ask the brother with the crown, he'' tell you. ;-). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi in CC, GC or UC [was: This stuff never gets old...Maharishi vs. the movement]
Thats just nitpicking. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice post George. As we've been told and as some have experienced, yes? Only correction, point value is not flat it is nothing. Out of this nothing arise the virtual structures of consciousness, the devatas. They are not objects of perception, but apperceptive flavors of consciousness. -Peter --- George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Vaj wrote: one of the reasons siddhis ruin samadhi... hmm...i think you have it backwards... samadhi is flat kaivalya (point) until you learn how to function from within it, by doing Samyama. this practise develops Siddhis (powers)...but not at the expense of samadhi. The whole process is nourished by samadhi... in the sequence of development of c'ness, from CC to GC, kaivalya is no longer seen as flat, as in Yoga literature...it now is lively (enlivened by sanyama) in the Karma Mimamsa branch of literature. but, after that comes Vedant (beyond Vedas) where the subtle Silence (CC) and the subtle Dynamism (GC) are finally United (UC) in the greater Wholeness that is Brahman (Totality) or, so we been told LOL! g. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi in CC, GC or UC [was: This stuff never gets old...Maharishi vs. the movement]
They are not objects of perception, but apperceptive flavors of consciousness. In my experience they ARE meeven if they don't like it, they're stuck mith me. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi in CC, GC or UC [was: This stuff never gets old...Maharishi vs. the movement]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 5, 2005, at 11:30 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: If by that, you mean did I ask someone from a different cult what he thinks of the TM cult's perspective? No, just going to another mass-market group would be silly (and probably counterproductive Alex). Instead find the purest example of the tradition and see what they have to say. I don't assume that just because a view is traditional, it is correct, especially with respect to ideas about spirituality and consciousness, which are, by their very nature, subjective. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi in CC, GC or UC [was: This stuff never gets old...Maharishi vs. the movement]
On May 6, 2005, at 7:45 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: I don't assume that just because a view is traditional, it is correct, especially with respect to ideas about spirituality and consciousness, which are, by their very nature, subjective. Didn't say traditional--I said pure. The problem is, IMO, that whenever you decide to sell something, you have to polish it up for the marketplace. Hide it's flaws and tout its benefits. That's great for product, but it also means you're hiding part of the truth. Hiding the truth in product is commonplace, but it has no place in spirituality where you are trying to uncover truth. Think on that and then think on what would happen if you figured out that the product that everyone wanted and was really attached to was enlightenment. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi in CC, GC or UC [was: This stuff never gets old...Maharishi vs. the movement]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 6, 2005, at 7:45 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: I don't assume that just because a view is traditional, it is correct, especially with respect to ideas about spirituality and consciousness, which are, by their very nature, subjective. Didn't say traditional--I said pure. How is purity determined? A quick Google search says Patanjali lived somewhere between 200 BC and 200 AD. How does one determine whether one interpretation of an ancient religious scripture is more pure or correct than another? The idea of locking down something as free-flowing as spirituality into a box of rigid dogmatic purity strikes me as silly as trying to herd cats. The problem is, IMO, that whenever you decide to sell something, you have to polish it up for the marketplace. Hide it's flaws and tout its benefits. That's great for product, but it also means you're hiding part of the truth. Hiding the truth in product is commonplace, but it has no place in spirituality where you are trying to uncover truth. On the other hand, the McMeditation Marketing Model made meditation widely available and visible to those who would have otherwise not even thought of seeking it out from an obscure tradition steeped in purity. The Lord works in strange and mysterious ways! Think on that and then think on what would happen if you figured out that the product that everyone wanted and was really attached to was enlightenment. I think it's likely that people will ultimately be drawn to a suitable spiritual tradition, no matter where they start. In my own case, I never understood or cared one whit about concepts of enlightenment. My brother came back from TTC and taught me TM when I was 13 years old. For me, TM was never anything more than a stress reduction technique. But, ultimately, my involvement with TM set the stage for my finding Waking Down, which is perfectly suited to who I am. With my own strong tendencies toward self-destructive behavior, I probably wouldn't even be alive today if not for TM. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi in CC, GC or UC [was: This stuff never gets old...Maharishi vs. the movement]
I was just doing the sidhis and noticed that there does seem to be a current of hope and fear that is created. I wonder if anyone else notices this? Hope that a sidhi is born and fear that it wont be. I therefore have to agree with Vaj on this one, the sidhi practice seems more samsaric than plain TM. - Original Message - From: Alex Stanley To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 8:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi in CC, GC or UC [was: This stuff never gets old...Maharishi vs. the movement] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: On May 6, 2005, at 7:45 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: I don't assume that just because a view is traditional, it is correct, especially with respect to ideas about spirituality and consciousness, which are, by their very nature, subjective. Didn't say traditional--I said "pure".How is purity determined? A quick Google search says Patanjali livedsomewhere between 200 BC and 200 AD. How does one determine whetherone interpretation of an ancient religious scripture is more pure orcorrect than another? The idea of locking down something asfree-flowing as spirituality into a box of rigid dogmatic puritystrikes me as silly as trying to herd cats. The problem is, IMO, that whenever you decide to "sell" something, you have to polish it up for the marketplace. Hide it's flaws and tout its benefits. That's great for "product", but it also means you're hiding part of the truth. Hiding the truth in "product" is commonplace, but it has no place in spirituality where you are trying to uncover truth.On the other hand, the McMeditation Marketing Model made meditationwidely available and visible to those who would have otherwise noteven thought of seeking it out from an obscure tradition steeped in"purity". The Lord works in strange and mysterious ways! "Think" on that and then "think" on what would happen if you figured out that the "product" that everyone wanted and was really attached to was "enlightenment".I think it's likely that people will ultimately be drawn to asuitable spiritual tradition, no matter where they start. In my owncase, I never understood or cared one whit about concepts ofenlightenment. My brother came back from TTC and taught me TM when Iwas 13 years old. For me, TM was never anything more than a stressreduction technique. But, ultimately, my involvement with TM set thestage for my finding Waking Down, which is perfectly suited to who Iam. With my own strong tendencies toward self-destructive behavior, Iprobably wouldn't even be alive today if not for TM.AlexTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi in CC, GC or UC [was: This stuff never gets old...Maharishi vs. the movement]
Its just clearing of the channel appropriate to the sutra. That feeling you express of 'hope and fear' is just attachment to the result of the sutra. Just be innocent with the practice, and you'll have better results. What Vaj seems to be saying is that Vaj is having good experiences with his own techniques. However, when he questions the intimate purity of the teaching of Maharishi; i.e. the mantras and sutras, he is plainly incorrect. Not incorrect in the knowledge that there are more mantras and sutras available, but that somehow Guru Dev has gotten it wrong in the interpretation and/or marketing of the techniques (remember who is present during TM puja/initiation). Thanks, Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just doing the sidhis and noticed that there does seem to be a current of hope and fear that is created. I wonder if anyone else notices this? Hope that a sidhi is born and fear that it wont be. I therefore have to agree with Vaj on this one, the sidhi practice seems more samsaric than plain TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi in CC, GC or UC [was: This stuff never gets old...Maharishi vs. the movement]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just doing the sidhis and noticed that there does seem to be a current of hope and fear that is created. I wonder if anyone else notices this? Hope that a sidhi is born and fear that it wont be. I therefore have to agree with Vaj on this one, the sidhi practice seems more samsaric than plain TM. I have no problem with folks who don't like the TM-Sidhis program and/or have better experiences with different techniques/paths/etc. Hell, *I* don't like the TM-Sidhis program. However, I do take issue with the arrogance and spiritual immaturity of dismissing as delusional the personal experiences of others who do like the Sidhis and do have good experiences with them, simply because one's gone off to be indoctrinated by a different org with a different opinion. Vaj is no different from a Christian fundie saying all the Boodist and Hindoo heathens need Jayzuss!!! Same schtick, different dogma. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi in CC, GC or UC [was: This stuff never gets old...Maharishi vs. the movement]
Vajis no different from a Christian fundie saying all the Boodist andHindoo heathens need Jayzuss!!! Same schtick, different dogma. Alex---Actually he is. His intentions are different. And his experiences are different. To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi in CC, GC or UC [was: This stuff never gets old...Maharishi vs. the movement]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no problem with folks who don't like the TM-Sidhis program Through the practice of samyama the Sidha (practitioner of the TM- Sidhis program) develops refined perception, powers of levitation and healing, etc. The purpose of this practice of samyama is to weave the fabric of Yoga (Unity Consciousness) through repeatedly experiencing the manifestation of a sutra, or impulse of awareness, from the level of Silence. There is nothing more powerful in the whole universe. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi in CC, GC or UC [was: This stuff never gets old...Maharishi vs. the movement]
However, I do take issue with the arrogance and spiritual immaturity of dismissing as delusional the personal experiences of others who do like the Sidhis and do have good experiences with them, simply because one's gone off to be indoctrinated by a different org with a different opinion. Vaj is no different from a Christian fundie saying all the Boodist and Hindoo heathens need Jayzuss!!! Same schtick, different dogma. Alex This is exactly the feeling I got from Vaj. Spot on. Why do you suppose people get this feeling with you Mr. Humble Buddhist Vaj? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi in CC, GC or UC [was: This stuff never gets old...Maharishi vs. the movement]
This is exactly the feeling I got from Vaj. Spot on.Why do you suppose people get this feeling with you Mr. Humble Buddhist Vaj?Probably they are the same people with most ignorance to fear. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi in CC, GC or UC [was: This stuff never gets old...Maharishi vs. the movement]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Vaj wrote: one of the reasons siddhis ruin samadhi... hmm...i think you have it backwards... samadhi is flat kaivalya (point) until you learn how to function from within it, by doing Samyama. this practise develops Siddhis (powers)...but not at the expense of samadhi. The whole process is nourished by samadhi... in the sequence of development of c'ness, from CC to GC, kaivalya is no longer seen as flat, as in Yoga literature...it now is lively (enlivened by sanyama) in the Karma Mimamsa branch of literature. but, after that comes Vedant (beyond Vedas) where the subtle Silence (CC) and the subtle Dynamism (GC) are finally United (UC) in the greater Wholeness that is Brahman (Totality) or, so we been told LOL! But, George, you're forgetting that his guru can beat up your guru. Therefore, his indoctrination and experiences are true and genuine while yours are blind belief and delusion. Aren't you glad I cleared that up? Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi in CC, GC or UC [was: This stuff never gets old...Maharishi vs. the movement]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Vaj wrote: one of the reasons siddhis ruin samadhi... hmm...i think you have it backwards... Watch out George. He's a Buddhist. They've got it all backwards..you knoAnatman and all that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi in CC, GC or UC [was: This stuff never gets old...Maharishi vs. the movement]
On May 5, 2005, at 7:08 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: while yours are blind belief and delusion. Hey dude, that's a question everyone has to ask for themselves--me, you, anyone. Ever check up on these things outside the movement? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Samadhi in CC, GC or UC [was: This stuff never gets old...Maharishi vs. the movement]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 5, 2005, at 7:08 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: while yours are blind belief and delusion. Hey dude, that's a question everyone has to ask for themselves--me, you, anyone. Ever check up on these things outside the movement? If by that, you mean did I ask someone from a different cult what he thinks of the TM cult's perspective? No, I haven't. What's the point? It'd be like a Catholic asking a Protestant what he thinks of Catholicism or a Protestant asking a Catholic about Protestantism. I stopped doing the Sidhis program because I don't like how it feels to do them. I don't need to look outside myself to some book/guru authority figure to tell me whether a spiritual practice is right for me. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
