[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven things that don't make sense about gravity

[guyfawkes91]

>Nader is little more than a clever channeler who juggles jargon badly >and 
>never puts himself on the line to be quizzed about his >assertions.the 
>very difinition of a charliton --  not a scientist.

Correct, but at least he's a nicer person than the other people at the top. 

I don't think he's aware that he's channeling garbage, he actually believes the 
junk. It's a shame that other "scientists" in the TMO who should know better 
are too scared to subject his ideas to proper critical analysis.

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven things that don't make sense about gravity

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> GAWD, Raunch, you can even use Nader's bullshit to be your muse -- gotta
> love writers.
> 

Well Edg, I guess that goes to show ya, you can get a fresh new way of looking 
at the nature of consciousness if you're willing to scoop a nicely formed cow 
pie from the field of all possibilities, chase off a few flies, sugar coat it 
with chocolate syrup and serve neat baked by the sun. Actually I got into a 
place of wondering about emptybill's Biocentrism post and how similar it was to 
Hagelin's Unified Field. I felt my way into the poem in an attempt to 
synthesize their ideas. Nader's words are as good as any, when words fall short 
talking about abstract ideas. So I picked a few phrases out of his pile of 
mumbojumbo, lit my own firecracker and took an emperical whack at it, so what 
if it blows up? I had a good time.

http://tinyurl.com/nl64os
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/222647

Slightly revised:

Symmetry Breaking

The all at once of it all
Happening always
Now
A jubilant parade
Marching footfall
Of flaming colors
Blazing euphorically
Flashing confetti instants
Transmitting
Emitting
A noisy blizzard of static
On crackling radio crystals
Humming primordial sounds
Sending synaptic signals 
Freeze-framing recollections
Images flickering light
Furiously cartooning pages
Flipping kinescopically
Holding a child's delight
A shadow show
Entertaining
Earth travelers
Pair bonding 
Lovemaking
Seed begetting seed
Progenitors knowing
Time ends
Space bends
Curving back on itself
Symmetry breaking
Again and again
Repeating non-errant
Replicating Self-echoes
Structures apparent
Virtual distortions
Changing 
Quaking
Shattering 
Action of forces
Directing brain courses
Optic nerve naming
Soul thrilling 
Gob smacked Beauty
Eyewitness gaming
Particle or wave 
Viewed through peepholes
Amazingly elusive
Collapsing infinity
Puzzles in pieces
Fitting to know
That I am

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven things that don't make sense about gravity

[Duveyoung]

GAWD, Raunch, you can even use Nader's bullshit to be your muse -- gotta
love writers.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > From Nader's book Human Physiology, expression of the Veda, p. 15:
> >
> > The interaction of forces, even though within the unmanifest,

Give me a break.  The "unmanifest" -- what the fuck is that?  The only
definition by TMO standards is that it is the Absolute, and the Absolute
is without qualities, so there's no chance at all to be logical when
saying forces are interacting within the unmanifest.   It's
goobledeegook.  He should be talking about forces at the finest ritam
level where it can seem that the Absolute is "moving," and be talking
about the primal illusion that ritam's level of life is, as if, so
silent that it truly is the Absolute as far as relative beings are
concerned.  Like that.

creates a
> > dissymmetry, as if a distortion, in the flat and homogeneous -- yet
> > infinitely flexible -- absolute singularity of the Unified Field;

Why do I hear the creepy voicing of Bevan here?  This is such a mix of
two opposing realities that it  would naturally confuse anyone trying to
sort out the Absolute from Pure Being.  The Absolute is beyond being and
non-being and beyond "unified  field" and "non-unified field."   He
should be talking about the dissymmetry in terms of the gunas being
unbalanced, but instead he's confusing amness with the Absolute -- a
typical Maharishi mistake too.

the
> > absolute pure Being, pure existence, remains unmanifest.

Eh, no.  Absolute is absolute -- only amness can be described as having
unmanifested-as-of-yet potency or having the "ability to be unmanifest."

The virtual
> > pull and push, rise and fall, vibration and stillness, dymanism and
> > silence, leads to the formation of structure within the unmanifest.

Bullfuckingshit. The Absolute cannot have a structure or a
non-structure.

> > Structure is the result of the apparent breaking of infinite
symmetry.

Yeah, in the relative, the pure being of residing in amness is a buzz
that can suddenly produce any other sound if  modulated by an intent
that is surrendered to. ...samyama disturbs "the force." It's all
relativistic clockworks attempting to make a clatter that is a proper
symbol for silence -- as if.

> > With all possible interactions always taking place in accordance
with
> > the fundamental forces that uphold them, structure is the result of
the
> > virtual distortion generated by the action of forces.

"Virtual distortion."  Eeeeh, let's see, something that is imaginary is
distorted.  Well, ya lost me  already. What the  fuck does that mean? 
Maharishi writes in TSOBAOL that "something cannot come from nothing." 
What didn't Nader get about that truth?  There is no connection between
the Absolute and amness by definition.  All qualities come from, reside
in the potency of, amness.  That amness can be so pure a buzz that the
droning becomes a Rorschach unto which any meaning can be projected is
wonderful, but the Absolute is beyond any meaning.

Nader is little more than a clever channeler who juggles jargon badly
and never puts himself on the line to be quizzed about his
assertions.the very difinition of a charliton --  not a scientist.

Edg

> >
>
> Symmetry Breaking
>
> The all at once of it all
> Happening always
> Now
> Flashing foot-fall
> A jubilant parade
> Of blazing colors
> Flaming euphoric
> Confetti instants
> Transmitting
> A noisy blizzard of static
> On crackling radio crystals
> Humming primordial sounds
> Sending synaptic signals
> Freeze-framing recollections
> Images flickering light
> Furiously cartooning pages
> Flipping Kinescopically
> Holding a child's delight
> A shadow show
> Connecting
> Earth travelers
> Pair bonding
> Seed to seed
> Progenitors knowing
> Time ends
> Space bends
> Curving back on itself
> Symmetry breaking
> Again and again
> Repeating non-errant
> Replicating Self-echoes
> Structures apparent
> Virtual distortions
> Changing
> Quaking
> Shattering
> Action of forces
> Directing brain courses
> Optic nerve naming
> Beauty
> Eyewitness gaming
> Particle or wave
> Viewed through peepholes
> Amazingly elusive
> Collapsing infinity
> Puzzles in pieces
> Fitting to know
> That I am
>
> raunchydog
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven things that don't make sense about gravity

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  wrote:
> 
> From Nader's book Human Physiology, expression of the Veda, p. 15:
> 
> The interaction of forces, even though within the unmanifest, creates a
> dissymmetry, as if a distortion, in the flat and homogeneous -- yet
> infinitely flexible -- absolute singularity of the Unified Field; the
> absolute pure Being, pure existence, remains unmanifest. The virtual
> pull and push, rise and fall, vibration and stillness, dymanism and
> silence, leads to the formation of structure within the unmanifest.
> Structure is the result of the apparent breaking of infinite symmetry.
> With all possible interactions always taking place in accordance with
> the fundamental forces that uphold them, structure is the result of the
> virtual distortion generated by the action of forces.
>

Symmetry Breaking

The all at once of it all
Happening always
Now
Flashing foot-fall
A jubilant parade
Of blazing colors
Flaming euphoric 
Confetti instants
Transmitting 
A noisy blizzard of static
On crackling radio crystals
Humming primordial sounds
Sending synaptic signals 
Freeze-framing recollections
Images flickering light
Furiously cartooning pages
Flipping Kinescopically
Holding a child's delight
A shadow show
Connecting
Earth travelers
Pair bonding
Seed to seed
Progenitors knowing
Time ends
Space bends
Curving back on itself
Symmetry breaking
Again and again
Repeating non-errant
Replicating Self-echoes
Structures apparent
Virtual distortions
Changing 
Quaking
Shattering 
Action of forces
Directing brain courses
Optic nerve naming
Beauty
Eyewitness gaming
Particle or wave 
Viewed through peepholes
Amazingly elusive
Collapsing infinity
Puzzles in pieces
Fitting to know
That I am

raunchydog

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven things that don't make sense about gravity

[bob_brigante]

>
> Maharishi's Discovery of Veda Eternally Reverberating in Being
>
> In unfolding his Vedic ScienceSM, Maharishi has described in
extraordinary detail the profound mechanics by which Being begins to
reverberate within itself in the eternal impulses of the Veda. These
insights have come from Maharishi's direct experience of the
self-interacting dynamics of Being, through which Pure Being expresses
itself in the forms and phenomena of the universe throughout all
eternity of time and space.
>
> In his Veda LilaSM (play of the Veda), Maharishi has explained that
Being, the unbounded sea of Nature's intelligence, is the field of
unbounded awareness. It is pure wakefulness; it is fully awake within
itself. In its transcendental self-referral state, it knows only itself
and nothing else. Knowing itself only, it is the knower, it is the
process of knowing, and it is also the known—it is all three
itself—it is the togetherness of knower, knowing and known. In the
language of the Veda, the knower is called Rishi, the dynamics of
knowing is Devatā, the known is Chhandas, and the togetherness of
these three is called Samhitā. In this three-in-one reality of the
Samhitā of Rishi, Devatā and Chhandas is the eternal
self-referral structure of the field of Pure Being.
>
> Through the self-interactions of Rishi, Devatā and Chhandas
within the wholeness of Samhitā, the unbounded field of
consciousness begins to vibrate within itself. It hums within itself in
the Primarodial Sounds of Rk Veda. From the Primarodial Sounds of Rk
Veda and also from the gaps between these sounds, all the Vedic sounds
unfold sequentially within the sea of consciousness. From Veda to
Vedanga, Upanga, Upaveda, Brahmana and Pratishakyas, the Vedic sounds
unfold in precise sequence, each elaborating and commenting upon Rk Veda
and the preceding branches of the Vedic Literature. This unique insight
of Maharishi—that the Vedic Literature is its own commentary—is
called Maharishi's Apaurusheya Bhāshya—the Self-expressed
commentary of the Veda.


***

>From Nader's book Human Physiology, expression of the Veda, p. 15:

The interaction of forces, even though within the unmanifest, creates a
dissymmetry, as if a distortion, in the flat and homogeneous -- yet
infinitely flexible -- absolute singularity of the Unified Field; the
absolute pure Being, pure existence, remains unmanifest. The virtual
pull and push, rise and fall, vibration and stillness, dymanism and
silence, leads to the formation of structure within the unmanifest.
Structure is the result of the apparent breaking of infinite symmetry.
With all possible interactions always taking place in accordance with
the fundamental forces that uphold them, structure is the result of the
virtual distortion generated by the action of forces.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven things that don't make sense about gravity

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Recently emptybill Message #222119 linked to a fascinating
> > > article related to this topic, "BioCentrism: How life
> > > creates the universe" by Robert Lanza with Bob Berman,
> > > lays out the concept that life and consciousness make the
> > > cosmos what it is. 
> > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31393080/ns/technology_and_science-science//
> > 
> > Thanks for re-citing this. I'd meant to read it when
> > emptybill posted it but forgot. (Amazing that MSNBC 
> > would post such a long science article.)
> > 
> > Maybe the association of quantum mechanics with
> > consciousness isn't quite such a horrible example of
> > pseudoscience after all...
> > 
> 
> Hagelin was on to something. I always thought his Unified Field Chart took 
> Larry Domash's ideas a few steps further. Does anyone remember when John had 
> the MSAE students perform the Veda Lila for Maharishi at the Taste of Utopia 
> course? The kids were really cute and Maharishi loved it. They sang a song 
> with hand motions, "One Unbounded Ocean..."  
> 
> I found a tidy little summary of the Veda Lila on someone's blog. 
> http://tinyurl.com/lv66eo 
> http://tm-alex.blogspot.com/2008/02/page-xxvi-twenty-six-foreword-science.html
> 
> Maharishi's Discovery of Veda Eternally Reverberating in Being
> 
> In unfolding his Vedic ScienceSM, Maharishi has described in extraordinary 
> detail the profound mechanics by which Being begins to reverberate within 
> itself in the eternal impulses of the Veda. These insights have come from 
> Maharishi's direct experience of the self-interacting dynamics of Being, 
> through which Pure Being expresses itself in the forms and phenomena of the 
> universe throughout all eternity of time and space.
> 
> In his Veda LilaSM (play of the Veda), Maharishi has explained that Being, 
> the unbounded sea of Nature's intelligence, is the field of unbounded 
> awareness. It is pure wakefulness; it is fully awake within itself. In its 
> transcendental self-referral state, it knows only itself and nothing else. 
> Knowing itself only, it is the knower, it is the process of knowing, and it 
> is also the known—it is all three itself—it is the togetherness of knower, 
> knowing and known. In the language of the Veda, the knower is called Rishi, 
> the dynamics of knowing is Devatā, the known is Chhandas, and the 
> togetherness of these three is called Samhitā. In this three-in-one 
> reality of the Samhitā of Rishi, Devatā and Chhandas is the eternal 
> self-referral structure of the field of Pure Being.
> 
> Through the self-interactions of Rishi, Devatā and Chhandas within the 
> wholeness of Samhitā, the unbounded field of consciousness begins to 
> vibrate within itself. It hums within itself in the Primarodial Sounds of Rk 
> Veda. From the Primarodial Sounds of Rk Veda and also from the gaps between 
> these sounds, all the Vedic sounds unfold sequentially within the sea of 
> consciousness. From Veda to Vedanga, Upanga, Upaveda, Brahmana and 
> Pratishakyas, the Vedic sounds unfold in precise sequence, each elaborating 
> and commenting upon Rk Veda and the preceding branches of the Vedic 
> Literature. This unique insight of Maharishi—that the Vedic Literature is its 
> own commentary—is called Maharishi's Apaurusheya Bhāshya—the 
> Self-expressed commentary of the Veda.
> 
> > I wonder if Lanza would go along with one of my
> > favorite aphorisms:
> > 
> > "The universe is like a safe to which there is a
> > combination. But the combination is locked up in
> > the safe."--Peter De Vries
> > 
> > (The "combination," in my reading, being the nature
> > of consciousness.)
> > 
> > Lanza is a Big Deal scientist, not a woo-woo-science
> > writer. (TM-TBs beware--he's a leading stem-cell
> > researcher, although he seems to have figured out
> > how to avoid the main dangers thereof.)
> > 
> > Here's his Web site:
> > 
> > http://www.robertlanza.com/
> >
>
Very Good Article 
 A+
Now, if only we could find the three keys to open the minds of the 'TV-People', 
'The Newspaper-people', and the rest of the people, who are constantly either 
plugged into a cell phone, a video game, a computer or an I-Pod!...
Then we could speed up this big ship...
 The Titanic?
I hope that was not what you were thinking?..
Robert.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven things that don't make sense about gravity

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> >
> > Recently emptybill Message #222119 linked to a fascinating
> > article related to this topic, "BioCentrism: How life
> > creates the universe" by Robert Lanza with Bob Berman,
> > lays out the concept that life and consciousness make the
> > cosmos what it is. 
> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31393080/ns/technology_and_science-science//
> 
> Thanks for re-citing this. I'd meant to read it when
> emptybill posted it but forgot. (Amazing that MSNBC 
> would post such a long science article.)
> 
> Maybe the association of quantum mechanics with
> consciousness isn't quite such a horrible example of
> pseudoscience after all...
> 

Hagelin was on to something. I always thought his Unified Field Chart took 
Larry Domash's ideas a few steps further. Does anyone remember when John had 
the MSAE students perform the Veda Lila for Maharishi at the Taste of Utopia 
course? The kids were really cute and Maharishi loved it. They sang a song with 
hand motions, "One Unbounded Ocean..."  

I found a tidy little summary of the Veda Lila on someone's blog. 
http://tinyurl.com/lv66eo 
http://tm-alex.blogspot.com/2008/02/page-xxvi-twenty-six-foreword-science.html

Maharishi's Discovery of Veda Eternally Reverberating in Being

In unfolding his Vedic ScienceSM, Maharishi has described in extraordinary 
detail the profound mechanics by which Being begins to reverberate within 
itself in the eternal impulses of the Veda. These insights have come from 
Maharishi's direct experience of the self-interacting dynamics of Being, 
through which Pure Being expresses itself in the forms and phenomena of the 
universe throughout all eternity of time and space.

In his Veda LilaSM (play of the Veda), Maharishi has explained that Being, the 
unbounded sea of Nature's intelligence, is the field of unbounded awareness. It 
is pure wakefulness; it is fully awake within itself. In its transcendental 
self-referral state, it knows only itself and nothing else. Knowing itself 
only, it is the knower, it is the process of knowing, and it is also the 
known—it is all three itself—it is the togetherness of knower, knowing and 
known. In the language of the Veda, the knower is called Rishi, the dynamics of 
knowing is Devatā, the known is Chhandas, and the togetherness of these 
three is called Samhitā. In this three-in-one reality of the Samhitā 
of Rishi, Devatā and Chhandas is the eternal self-referral structure of 
the field of Pure Being.

Through the self-interactions of Rishi, Devatā and Chhandas within the 
wholeness of Samhitā, the unbounded field of consciousness begins to 
vibrate within itself. It hums within itself in the Primarodial Sounds of Rk 
Veda. From the Primarodial Sounds of Rk Veda and also from the gaps between 
these sounds, all the Vedic sounds unfold sequentially within the sea of 
consciousness. From Veda to Vedanga, Upanga, Upaveda, Brahmana and 
Pratishakyas, the Vedic sounds unfold in precise sequence, each elaborating and 
commenting upon Rk Veda and the preceding branches of the Vedic Literature. 
This unique insight of Maharishi—that the Vedic Literature is its own 
commentary—is called Maharishi's Apaurusheya Bhāshya—the Self-expressed 
commentary of the Veda.

> I wonder if Lanza would go along with one of my
> favorite aphorisms:
> 
> "The universe is like a safe to which there is a
> combination. But the combination is locked up in
> the safe."--Peter De Vries
> 
> (The "combination," in my reading, being the nature
> of consciousness.)
> 
> Lanza is a Big Deal scientist, not a woo-woo-science
> writer. (TM-TBs beware--he's a leading stem-cell
> researcher, although he seems to have figured out
> how to avoid the main dangers thereof.)
> 
> Here's his Web site:
> 
> http://www.robertlanza.com/
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven things that don't make sense about gravity

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> Recently emptybill Message #222119 linked to a fascinating
> article related to this topic, "BioCentrism: How life
> creates the universe" by Robert Lanza with Bob Berman,
> lays out the concept that life and consciousness make the
> cosmos what it is. 
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31393080/ns/technology_and_science-science//

Thanks for re-citing this. I'd meant to read it when
emptybill posted it but forgot. (Amazing that MSNBC 
would post such a long science article.)

Maybe the association of quantum mechanics with
consciousness isn't quite such a horrible example of
pseudoscience after all...

I wonder if Lanza would go along with one of my
favorite aphorisms:

"The universe is like a safe to which there is a
combination. But the combination is locked up in
the safe."--Peter De Vries 

(The "combination," in my reading, being the nature
of consciousness.)

Lanza is a Big Deal scientist, not a woo-woo-science
writer. (TM-TBs beware--he's a leading stem-cell
researcher, although he seems to have figured out
how to avoid the main dangers thereof.)

Here's his Web site:

http://www.robertlanza.com/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven things that don't make sense about gravity

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> Recently emptybill Message #222119 linked to a fascinating article related to 
> this topic, "BioCentrism: How life creates the universe" by Robert Lanza with 
> Bob Berman, lays out the concept
> that life and consciousness make the cosmos what it is. 
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31393080/ns/technology_and_science-science// 
> 



Western scientists are doing what they can to figure things out, but without 
the expanded awareness gained through TM, they'll continue to stumble in the 
dark on a futile mission. From the Yoga Vasistha:

"All things in this world are for ever unreal; but they are also real because 
of the consciousness that is the sole reality and their content. 
Whatever that consciousness decides "This is such and such", that it becomes, 
whether it is real or unreal. 
Such is the nature of consciousness.
This consciousness conceived of a body, and it becomes aware of the body. 
It is self-awareness that becomes aware of the body, not the other way round. 
At the beginning of creation, there was nothing else, and only consciousness 
was; and therefore, the world-appearance arose in that consciousness like a 
dream. 
In whatever manner consciousness conceived the world to be, that alone it 
became. 
What else is this world? 
Since the world is nothing other than consciousness or Brahman, it is declared 
to be so by the scriptures.
Yet, like a frog in the blind well, foolish and ignorant,
people base their understanding on the experience of the moment and, on account 
of their perverse understanding, they are deluded into thinking that the body 
alone is the source of experience or awareness."

http://snipurl.com/kp854  [www_venkatesaya_com] 

Lanza and Berman are right when they encourage physicists to abandon 
unsuccessful reliance on "objectivity" (a notion laid to rest by Bell's work -- 
cited in p.4 of the article -- which suggests superluminous transfer of 
negentropy without signals):
 
"Finally, one must consider the endless ongoing attempts at creating "grand 
unified theories." Currently such efforts in physics have typically stretched 
for decades without much success. Incorporating the living universe — and 
allowing the observer into the equation as the late John Wheeler insists is 
necessary — will at minimum produce a fascinating amalgam of the living and 
non-living in a way that should make everything work better." (p.6)




> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > http://snipurl.com/kowrg 
> > > [www_newscientist_com]
> > >
> > > Although the other forces act over different ranges, and between very
> > > different kinds of particles, they seem to have strengths that are
> > > roughly comparable with each other. Gravity is the misfit. Why should
> > > this be so?
> > >
> > > So far, our best explanation comes from string theory
> > >  , the leading
> > > candidate for a "theory of everything". String theory requires that
> > the
> > > universe  has more than
> > > the three spatial dimensions that we experience, and possibly as many
> > as
> > > 10. According to string theorists' best ideas, gravity is so weak
> > > because, unlike the other forces, it leaks in and out of these extra
> > > dimensions
> > >
> >  > \
> > > .html> . We only get to experience a dribble of the true strength of
> > > gravity.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > **
> > 
> >   Gravity mysteries: Why is gravity so weak?
> > 
> > * 10 June 2009
> > * Magazine issue 2712  . Subscribe
> >   and get 4 free issues.
> > 
> > More: Seven things that don't make sense about gravity
> >  > bout-gravity>
> > 
> > Take a moment to try a jump into the air. Have you ever thought about
> > how remarkable it is that so little effort is required to jump a few
> > inches off the ground. Your puny muscles, weighing just a few kilograms,
> > can overcome the gravitational force of the Earth, all 6 × 1024
> > kilograms off it. Gravity is a real weakling - 1040 times weaker than
> > the electromagnetic force that holds atoms together.
> > 
> > Although the other forces act over different ranges, and between very
> > different kinds of particles, they seem to have strengths that are
> > roughly comparable with each other. Gravity is the misfit. Why should
> > this be so?
> > 
> > So far, our best explanation comes from string theory
> >  , the leading
> > candidate for a "theory of everything". String theory requires that the
> > universe   has more than
> > the three spatial dimensions that we experience, and possibly as many as
> > 10. According to string theorists' best ideas, gravity is so weak
> > because, unlike the other forces, it leaks in and 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven things that don't make sense about gravity

[raunchydog]

Recently emptybill Message #222119 linked to a fascinating article related to 
this topic, "BioCentrism: How life creates the universe" by Robert Lanza with 
Bob Berman, lays out the concept
that life and consciousness make the cosmos what it is. 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31393080/ns/technology_and_science-science// 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  wrote:
> >
> >
> > http://snipurl.com/kowrg 
> > [www_newscientist_com]
> >
> > Although the other forces act over different ranges, and between very
> > different kinds of particles, they seem to have strengths that are
> > roughly comparable with each other. Gravity is the misfit. Why should
> > this be so?
> >
> > So far, our best explanation comes from string theory
> >  , the leading
> > candidate for a "theory of everything". String theory requires that
> the
> > universe  has more than
> > the three spatial dimensions that we experience, and possibly as many
> as
> > 10. According to string theorists' best ideas, gravity is so weak
> > because, unlike the other forces, it leaks in and out of these extra
> > dimensions
> >
>  \
> > .html> . We only get to experience a dribble of the true strength of
> > gravity.
> >
> 
> 
> **
> 
>   Gravity mysteries: Why is gravity so weak?
> 
> * 10 June 2009
> * Magazine issue 2712  . Subscribe
>   and get 4 free issues.
> 
> More: Seven things that don't make sense about gravity
>  bout-gravity>
> 
> Take a moment to try a jump into the air. Have you ever thought about
> how remarkable it is that so little effort is required to jump a few
> inches off the ground. Your puny muscles, weighing just a few kilograms,
> can overcome the gravitational force of the Earth, all 6 × 1024
> kilograms off it. Gravity is a real weakling - 1040 times weaker than
> the electromagnetic force that holds atoms together.
> 
> Although the other forces act over different ranges, and between very
> different kinds of particles, they seem to have strengths that are
> roughly comparable with each other. Gravity is the misfit. Why should
> this be so?
> 
> So far, our best explanation comes from string theory
>  , the leading
> candidate for a "theory of everything". String theory requires that the
> universe   has more than
> the three spatial dimensions that we experience, and possibly as many as
> 10. According to string theorists' best ideas, gravity is so weak
> because, unlike the other forces, it leaks in and out of these extra
> dimensions
>  .html> . We only get to experience a dribble of the true strength of
> gravity.
> 
> The proof of this might come through experiments that probe the
> gravitational attraction between objects that are very small distances
> apart. String theory suggests that the unseen dimensions are hidden from
> view because they are rolled up small, or lie "end-on" to our
> dimensions, making it hard to detect their presence. These compactified
> dimensions could alter the gravitational attraction between two bodies
> if they are very small distances apart. Experiments have got down to
> about 0.06 millimetres, but have failed to see anything so far.
> 
> One of the big hopes for the Large Hadron Collider at CERN near Geneva
>  , Switzerland,
> is that it will tell us why gravity is so weak. "The LHC
>  's purpose,
> more or less, is to understand this question," says Lisa Randall of
> Harvard University.
> 
> Though it is not likely to provide a complete answer, the case for
> gravity residing in extra, hidden dimensions would be strengthened if
> the LHC finds evidence for particles called Kaluza-Klein states.
> 
> These were mooted as far back as the 1930s by theorists attempting to
> unite electromagnetism and gravity. Kaluza-Klein states arise when
> familiar particles slip into an extra dimension. As they rattle around
> there, they create an "echo" that would manifest itself as a heavier
> particle.
> 
> More: Seven things that don't make sense about gravity
>  bout-gravity>
>

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> Although the other forces act over different ranges, and between very
> different kinds of particles, they seem to have strengths that are
> roughly comparable with each other. Gravity is the misfit. Why should
> this be so?
>
> So far, our best explanation comes from string theory
>  , the leading
> candidate for a "theory of everything". String theory requires that
the
> universe  has more than
> the three spatial dimensions that we experience, and possibly as many
as
> 10. According to string theorists' best ideas, gravity is so weak
> because, unlike the other forces, it leaks in and out of these extra
> dimensions
>
 .html> . We only get to experience a dribble of the true strength of
> gravity.
>


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  Gravity mysteries: Why is gravity so weak?

* 10 June 2009
* Magazine issue 2712  . Subscribe
  and get 4 free issues.

More: Seven things that don't make sense about gravity


Take a moment to try a jump into the air. Have you ever thought about
how remarkable it is that so little effort is required to jump a few
inches off the ground. Your puny muscles, weighing just a few kilograms,
can overcome the gravitational force of the Earth, all 6 × 1024
kilograms off it. Gravity is a real weakling - 1040 times weaker than
the electromagnetic force that holds atoms together.

Although the other forces act over different ranges, and between very
different kinds of particles, they seem to have strengths that are
roughly comparable with each other. Gravity is the misfit. Why should
this be so?

So far, our best explanation comes from string theory
 , the leading
candidate for a "theory of everything". String theory requires that the
universe   has more than
the three spatial dimensions that we experience, and possibly as many as
10. According to string theorists' best ideas, gravity is so weak
because, unlike the other forces, it leaks in and out of these extra
dimensions
 . We only get to experience a dribble of the true strength of
gravity.

The proof of this might come through experiments that probe the
gravitational attraction between objects that are very small distances
apart. String theory suggests that the unseen dimensions are hidden from
view because they are rolled up small, or lie "end-on" to our
dimensions, making it hard to detect their presence. These compactified
dimensions could alter the gravitational attraction between two bodies
if they are very small distances apart. Experiments have got down to
about 0.06 millimetres, but have failed to see anything so far.

One of the big hopes for the Large Hadron Collider at CERN near Geneva
 , Switzerland,
is that it will tell us why gravity is so weak. "The LHC
 's purpose,
more or less, is to understand this question," says Lisa Randall of
Harvard University.

Though it is not likely to provide a complete answer, the case for
gravity residing in extra, hidden dimensions would be strengthened if
the LHC finds evidence for particles called Kaluza-Klein states.

These were mooted as far back as the 1930s by theorists attempting to
unite electromagnetism and gravity. Kaluza-Klein states arise when
familiar particles slip into an extra dimension. As they rattle around
there, they create an "echo" that would manifest itself as a heavier
particle.

More: Seven things that don't make sense about gravity