[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted - to Doc

[Carol]

PS: Great about your heart rate! Mine seems to stay high, in the 70s and 80s 
even at rest. I wonder if that is because of all the simulants I took 
recreationally and later for medicinal purposes. I just hope my ticker has lots 
of ticks left...at least until I can thruhike the Appalachian Trail. ;)

My hubby and son peck when they type.

If you don't mind me asking, what has been your career in writing?

*

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 I'd enjoy hearing that if you care to share it. I flashed through the link to 
 HeartMath, and there is some great stuff in there, will return for a larger 
 meal later - liked the change in perspective, from the traditional approach, 
 brain impulses influencing the heart, to the heart's influence, 
 comprehensively affecting even our immediate environment.
 
 Also liked the charts comparing different emotional states with micro changes 
 in heart voltage and regularity. I have a slow pulse - normal resting pulse 
 is about 50 bpm, and has gone down slowly over the years.
 
 Hope that you recover quickly and completely from your surgery, and they are 
 giving you lots of pain medication. I am always a baby when it comes to post 
 operative pain (especially dental), and make sure I get strong meds. 
 
 I don't have any carpal tunnel symptoms, possibly because I never learned to 
 touch type - Thank God computers were invented! I've hunted and pecked my way 
 through an entire career, focused on writing.  
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote:
 
  Here's one link to HeartMath.
  http://www.heartmath.org/research/science-of-the-heart/introduction.html
  
  There is a story, of course, as to how I 'chanced' upon HeartMath's work in 
  the early 2000s as I perused the (now obsolete, RIP) bookshelves at Borders 
  intuitively perusing for my next book to read.
  
  Take heart! ;)
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Thanks for the suggested materials - I haven't heard about the Institute 
   of HeartMath. It is an enjoyable study, to watch when the heart overflows 
   sometimes, and other times when the knife sharp intellect must organize 
   something. The book sounds cool too.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote:
   
Thanks Doc. 

What you state makes sense to me. 

Life is large. It's nice to keep it in perspective.

I may have asked before if you are familiar with the Institute of 
HeartMath? It gets into how our hearts think...not as metaphor, but how 
our hearts actually help us make decisions.

Which brings to mind a couple books I read some years back by Paul 
Pearsall. One of those books is The Heart's Code. Reading the 
accounts of organ transplant patients regarding cellular memory is 
fascinating.
**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:

 Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is 
 the nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that 
 exists.
 
 *Beautifully* put!!! Thanks!
 
 To get into technicalities, our thoughts serve the legitimate purpose 
 of bringing our desires into being. However, in order to do this 
 efficiently, we must attain a grace, or synchrony, with ourselves and 
 our surroundings, so that the mind; the heart, and the 
 discrimination, both, don't use up so much energy, just freely 
 spinning, or getting lost in fantasies.
 
 So, life, anchored in eternity, in silence, is actually a fuller life 
 than that imposed by the ego, dancing from thought to thought. 
 
 Thoughts are amazing and powerful impulses. When we are able to 
 witness their rising from a native bed of silence, they fulfill 
 life's purpose for each of us. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote:
 
  I hope there are thoughts in eternity. Seems it'd be very boring 
  otherwise. 
  
  But, I'm probably missing your point. Or maybe part of your point 
  is there is no point?
  
  (I vaguely recall that movie, The Point. )
  
  So, if I understand what you are saying... our thoughts protect us 
  from eternity (or rather work as a defense mechanism blocking 
  ourselves to be able to experience eternity).  Eternity abides at 
  all times in the silence within each of us; it is the nakedness of 
  who we are and is continually reconciling all that exists.
  
  Oddly enough, a scripture verse comes to mind, ...[God] hath 
  planted eternity in the hearts of [humankind]...
  http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/17371/eVerseID/17371/version/amp/opt/parallel
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted - to Doc

[doctordumbass]

Its just a genetic thing, I think, though my meditation and always being very 
active helped. Yeah, my dad also pecked (and managed to avoid computers 
altogether).:-) 

My career involved technical training, primarily focused on curriculum design 
and development, in tech, and industrial environments. Did mostly management, 
and consulting too. 

Enjoyed the people, and the complex technologies I learned (satellite ground 
stations and tuning, datacomm protocols, network security, virtual machines, 
gas distribution safety and maintenance, and industrial lasers), but *no* plans 
to return.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@... wrote:

 PS: Great about your heart rate! Mine seems to stay high, in the 70s and 80s 
 even at rest. I wonder if that is because of all the simulants I took 
 recreationally and later for medicinal purposes. I just hope my ticker has 
 lots of ticks left...at least until I can thruhike the Appalachian Trail. ;)
 
 My hubby and son peck when they type.
 
 If you don't mind me asking, what has been your career in writing?
 
 *
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  I'd enjoy hearing that if you care to share it. I flashed through the link 
  to HeartMath, and there is some great stuff in there, will return for a 
  larger meal later - liked the change in perspective, from the traditional 
  approach, brain impulses influencing the heart, to the heart's influence, 
  comprehensively affecting even our immediate environment.
  
  Also liked the charts comparing different emotional states with micro 
  changes in heart voltage and regularity. I have a slow pulse - normal 
  resting pulse is about 50 bpm, and has gone down slowly over the years.
  
  Hope that you recover quickly and completely from your surgery, and they 
  are giving you lots of pain medication. I am always a baby when it comes to 
  post operative pain (especially dental), and make sure I get strong meds. 
  
  I don't have any carpal tunnel symptoms, possibly because I never learned 
  to touch type - Thank God computers were invented! I've hunted and pecked 
  my way through an entire career, focused on writing.  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote:
  
   Here's one link to HeartMath.
   http://www.heartmath.org/research/science-of-the-heart/introduction.html
   
   There is a story, of course, as to how I 'chanced' upon HeartMath's work 
   in the early 2000s as I perused the (now obsolete, RIP) bookshelves at 
   Borders intuitively perusing for my next book to read.
   
   Take heart! ;)
   
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
   
Thanks for the suggested materials - I haven't heard about the 
Institute of HeartMath. It is an enjoyable study, to watch when the 
heart overflows sometimes, and other times when the knife sharp 
intellect must organize something. The book sounds cool too.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote:

 Thanks Doc. 
 
 What you state makes sense to me. 
 
 Life is large. It's nice to keep it in perspective.
 
 I may have asked before if you are familiar with the Institute of 
 HeartMath? It gets into how our hearts think...not as metaphor, but 
 how our hearts actually help us make decisions.
 
 Which brings to mind a couple books I read some years back by Paul 
 Pearsall. One of those books is The Heart's Code. Reading the 
 accounts of organ transplant patients regarding cellular memory is 
 fascinating.
 **
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it 
  is the nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all 
  that exists.
  
  *Beautifully* put!!! Thanks!
  
  To get into technicalities, our thoughts serve the legitimate 
  purpose of bringing our desires into being. However, in order to do 
  this efficiently, we must attain a grace, or synchrony, with 
  ourselves and our surroundings, so that the mind; the heart, and 
  the discrimination, both, don't use up so much energy, just freely 
  spinning, or getting lost in fantasies.
  
  So, life, anchored in eternity, in silence, is actually a fuller 
  life than that imposed by the ego, dancing from thought to thought. 
  
  Thoughts are amazing and powerful impulses. When we are able to 
  witness their rising from a native bed of silence, they fulfill 
  life's purpose for each of us. 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote:
  
   I hope there are thoughts in eternity. Seems it'd be very boring 
   otherwise. 
   
   But, I'm probably missing your point. Or maybe part of your point 
   is there is 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted - to Doc

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is the 
 nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that exists.
 
 *Beautifully* put!!! Thanks!
 
 To get into technicalities, our thoughts serve the legitimate purpose of 
 bringing our desires into being. However, in order to do this efficiently, we 
 must attain a grace, or synchrony, with ourselves and our surroundings, so 
 that the mind; the heart, and the discrimination, both, don't use up so much 
 energy, just freely spinning, or getting lost in fantasies.
 
 So, life, anchored in eternity, in silence, is actually a fuller life than 
 that imposed by the ego, dancing from thought to thought. 
 
 Thoughts are amazing and powerful impulses. When we are able to witness their 
 rising from a native bed of silence, they fulfill life's purpose for each of 
 us. 


Nicely said, Doc. Thanks Be,
-Buck
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote:
 
  I hope there are thoughts in eternity. Seems it'd be very boring otherwise. 
  
  But, I'm probably missing your point. Or maybe part of your point is there 
  is no point?
  
  (I vaguely recall that movie, The Point. )
  
  So, if I understand what you are saying... our thoughts protect us from 
  eternity (or rather work as a defense mechanism blocking ourselves to be 
  able to experience eternity).  Eternity abides at all times in the silence 
  within each of us; it is the nakedness of who we are and is continually 
  reconciling all that exists.
  
  Oddly enough, a scripture verse comes to mind, ...[God] hath planted 
  eternity in the hearts of [humankind]...
  http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/17371/eVerseID/17371/version/amp/opt/parallel
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
  
   I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is 
   naked and when all is somehow reconciled?
   
   Oddly, when there are no longer our thoughts protecting us from eternity, 
   the nakedness (to ourselves) continues, and the reconciliation of 
   everything continues also. 
   
   With silence, vs. thoughts, as a native mental state, eternity is 
   naturally present, because there are no marked boundaries in that state, 
   no limitations. How could there be?
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote:
   
Yah. (Carol smiles)

What an incredible voyage O\or, as the Grateful Dead put it...what a 
long, strange trip it's been...

Except it's not all been; it continues on as an is. 

I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all 
is naked and when all is somehow reconciled?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:

 The other thing that occurs to me about this process, is the self 
 preservation that issues themselves take on, within us, within our 
 awareness. Sort of the Alien scenario, without the exploding chest. 
 Seriously, they form themselves such that they are protected from our 
 examination.
 
 The physical model I came up with was that of issues taking the form 
 of small christmas ornament sized silver reflective balls, within our 
 awareness, so as to provide no apparent means of entry, beyond the 
 reflective illusion. They are enhanced in size by the reflection of 
 our anxiety and fear, in facing them. 
 
 Pretty weird Maya, until each is dealt with, and found to be far less 
 intimidating, than they first appear. 
 
 Perhaps closer to The Incredible Voyage, than Alien. :-)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  Thank you - Yeah, its not an either/or for me, regarding expression 
  of the past. However we express and *integrate* it. The interesting 
  thing I have found is that once the past issues have been faced, 
  they don't go away. 
  
  Instead, they simply become part of the integrated memory 
  landscape, nothing left to overtly revel in, cringe from, or 
  castigate. The previous issue is still seen in its entirety, but 
  without the sting and magnification. As a result, all the intense 
  focus falls away, and we move on to other speed bumps. All the hard 
  sledding eventually results in a much greater sense of presence, 
  individual freedom, evenness, and confidence.
  
  How do you digest the Universe? One bite at a time. Chew thoroughly.
  :-)
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote:
  
   Great post Doc.
   
   I've asked myself many times over How long does *this* take? Why 
   the eff does it keep coming up to haunt me? I've often wished 
   for a don't-give-a-damn switch, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted - to Doc

[Carol]

Thanks Doc. 

What you state makes sense to me. 

Life is large. It's nice to keep it in perspective.

I may have asked before if you are familiar with the Institute of HeartMath? It 
gets into how our hearts think...not as metaphor, but how our hearts actually 
help us make decisions.

Which brings to mind a couple books I read some years back by Paul Pearsall. 
One of those books is The Heart's Code. Reading the accounts of organ 
transplant patients regarding cellular memory is fascinating.
**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is the 
 nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that exists.
 
 *Beautifully* put!!! Thanks!
 
 To get into technicalities, our thoughts serve the legitimate purpose of 
 bringing our desires into being. However, in order to do this efficiently, we 
 must attain a grace, or synchrony, with ourselves and our surroundings, so 
 that the mind; the heart, and the discrimination, both, don't use up so much 
 energy, just freely spinning, or getting lost in fantasies.
 
 So, life, anchored in eternity, in silence, is actually a fuller life than 
 that imposed by the ego, dancing from thought to thought. 
 
 Thoughts are amazing and powerful impulses. When we are able to witness their 
 rising from a native bed of silence, they fulfill life's purpose for each of 
 us. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote:
 
  I hope there are thoughts in eternity. Seems it'd be very boring otherwise. 
  
  But, I'm probably missing your point. Or maybe part of your point is there 
  is no point?
  
  (I vaguely recall that movie, The Point. )
  
  So, if I understand what you are saying... our thoughts protect us from 
  eternity (or rather work as a defense mechanism blocking ourselves to be 
  able to experience eternity).  Eternity abides at all times in the silence 
  within each of us; it is the nakedness of who we are and is continually 
  reconciling all that exists.
  
  Oddly enough, a scripture verse comes to mind, ...[God] hath planted 
  eternity in the hearts of [humankind]...
  http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/17371/eVerseID/17371/version/amp/opt/parallel
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
  
   I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is 
   naked and when all is somehow reconciled?
   
   Oddly, when there are no longer our thoughts protecting us from eternity, 
   the nakedness (to ourselves) continues, and the reconciliation of 
   everything continues also. 
   
   With silence, vs. thoughts, as a native mental state, eternity is 
   naturally present, because there are no marked boundaries in that state, 
   no limitations. How could there be?
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote:
   
Yah. (Carol smiles)

What an incredible voyage O\or, as the Grateful Dead put it...what a 
long, strange trip it's been...

Except it's not all been; it continues on as an is. 

I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all 
is naked and when all is somehow reconciled?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:

 The other thing that occurs to me about this process, is the self 
 preservation that issues themselves take on, within us, within our 
 awareness. Sort of the Alien scenario, without the exploding chest. 
 Seriously, they form themselves such that they are protected from our 
 examination.
 
 The physical model I came up with was that of issues taking the form 
 of small christmas ornament sized silver reflective balls, within our 
 awareness, so as to provide no apparent means of entry, beyond the 
 reflective illusion. They are enhanced in size by the reflection of 
 our anxiety and fear, in facing them. 
 
 Pretty weird Maya, until each is dealt with, and found to be far less 
 intimidating, than they first appear. 
 
 Perhaps closer to The Incredible Voyage, than Alien. :-)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  Thank you - Yeah, its not an either/or for me, regarding expression 
  of the past. However we express and *integrate* it. The interesting 
  thing I have found is that once the past issues have been faced, 
  they don't go away. 
  
  Instead, they simply become part of the integrated memory 
  landscape, nothing left to overtly revel in, cringe from, or 
  castigate. The previous issue is still seen in its entirety, but 
  without the sting and magnification. As a result, all the intense 
  focus falls away, and we move on to other speed bumps. All the hard 
  sledding eventually results 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted - to Doc

[doctordumbass]

Thanks for the suggested materials - I haven't heard about the Institute of 
HeartMath. It is an enjoyable study, to watch when the heart overflows 
sometimes, and other times when the knife sharp intellect must organize 
something. The book sounds cool too.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@... wrote:

 Thanks Doc. 
 
 What you state makes sense to me. 
 
 Life is large. It's nice to keep it in perspective.
 
 I may have asked before if you are familiar with the Institute of HeartMath? 
 It gets into how our hearts think...not as metaphor, but how our hearts 
 actually help us make decisions.
 
 Which brings to mind a couple books I read some years back by Paul Pearsall. 
 One of those books is The Heart's Code. Reading the accounts of organ 
 transplant patients regarding cellular memory is fascinating.
 **
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is the 
  nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that exists.
  
  *Beautifully* put!!! Thanks!
  
  To get into technicalities, our thoughts serve the legitimate purpose of 
  bringing our desires into being. However, in order to do this efficiently, 
  we must attain a grace, or synchrony, with ourselves and our surroundings, 
  so that the mind; the heart, and the discrimination, both, don't use up so 
  much energy, just freely spinning, or getting lost in fantasies.
  
  So, life, anchored in eternity, in silence, is actually a fuller life than 
  that imposed by the ego, dancing from thought to thought. 
  
  Thoughts are amazing and powerful impulses. When we are able to witness 
  their rising from a native bed of silence, they fulfill life's purpose for 
  each of us. 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote:
  
   I hope there are thoughts in eternity. Seems it'd be very boring 
   otherwise. 
   
   But, I'm probably missing your point. Or maybe part of your point is 
   there is no point?
   
   (I vaguely recall that movie, The Point. )
   
   So, if I understand what you are saying... our thoughts protect us from 
   eternity (or rather work as a defense mechanism blocking ourselves to be 
   able to experience eternity).  Eternity abides at all times in the 
   silence within each of us; it is the nakedness of who we are and is 
   continually reconciling all that exists.
   
   Oddly enough, a scripture verse comes to mind, ...[God] hath planted 
   eternity in the hearts of [humankind]...
   http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/17371/eVerseID/17371/version/amp/opt/parallel
   
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
   
I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all 
is naked and when all is somehow reconciled?

Oddly, when there are no longer our thoughts protecting us from 
eternity, the nakedness (to ourselves) continues, and the 
reconciliation of everything continues also. 

With silence, vs. thoughts, as a native mental state, eternity is 
naturally present, because there are no marked boundaries in that 
state, no limitations. How could there be?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote:

 Yah. (Carol smiles)
 
 What an incredible voyage O\or, as the Grateful Dead put it...what a 
 long, strange trip it's been...
 
 Except it's not all been; it continues on as an is. 
 
 I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all 
 is naked and when all is somehow reconciled?
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  The other thing that occurs to me about this process, is the self 
  preservation that issues themselves take on, within us, within our 
  awareness. Sort of the Alien scenario, without the exploding chest. 
  Seriously, they form themselves such that they are protected from 
  our examination.
  
  The physical model I came up with was that of issues taking the 
  form of small christmas ornament sized silver reflective balls, 
  within our awareness, so as to provide no apparent means of entry, 
  beyond the reflective illusion. They are enhanced in size by the 
  reflection of our anxiety and fear, in facing them. 
  
  Pretty weird Maya, until each is dealt with, and found to be far 
  less intimidating, than they first appear. 
  
  Perhaps closer to The Incredible Voyage, than Alien. :-)
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   Thank you - Yeah, its not an either/or for me, regarding 
   expression of the past. However we express and *integrate* it. 
   The interesting thing I have found is that once the past issues 
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted - to Doc

[Carol]

Here's one link to HeartMath.
http://www.heartmath.org/research/science-of-the-heart/introduction.html

There is a story, of course, as to how I 'chanced' upon HeartMath's work in the 
early 2000s as I perused the (now obsolete, RIP) bookshelves at Borders 
intuitively perusing for my next book to read.

Take heart! ;)



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 Thanks for the suggested materials - I haven't heard about the Institute of 
 HeartMath. It is an enjoyable study, to watch when the heart overflows 
 sometimes, and other times when the knife sharp intellect must organize 
 something. The book sounds cool too.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote:
 
  Thanks Doc. 
  
  What you state makes sense to me. 
  
  Life is large. It's nice to keep it in perspective.
  
  I may have asked before if you are familiar with the Institute of 
  HeartMath? It gets into how our hearts think...not as metaphor, but how our 
  hearts actually help us make decisions.
  
  Which brings to mind a couple books I read some years back by Paul 
  Pearsall. One of those books is The Heart's Code. Reading the accounts of 
  organ transplant patients regarding cellular memory is fascinating.
  **
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is the 
   nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that exists.
   
   *Beautifully* put!!! Thanks!
   
   To get into technicalities, our thoughts serve the legitimate purpose of 
   bringing our desires into being. However, in order to do this 
   efficiently, we must attain a grace, or synchrony, with ourselves and our 
   surroundings, so that the mind; the heart, and the discrimination, both, 
   don't use up so much energy, just freely spinning, or getting lost in 
   fantasies.
   
   So, life, anchored in eternity, in silence, is actually a fuller life 
   than that imposed by the ego, dancing from thought to thought. 
   
   Thoughts are amazing and powerful impulses. When we are able to witness 
   their rising from a native bed of silence, they fulfill life's purpose 
   for each of us. 
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote:
   
I hope there are thoughts in eternity. Seems it'd be very boring 
otherwise. 

But, I'm probably missing your point. Or maybe part of your point is 
there is no point?

(I vaguely recall that movie, The Point. )

So, if I understand what you are saying... our thoughts protect us from 
eternity (or rather work as a defense mechanism blocking ourselves to 
be able to experience eternity).  Eternity abides at all times in the 
silence within each of us; it is the nakedness of who we are and is 
continually reconciling all that exists.

Oddly enough, a scripture verse comes to mind, ...[God] hath planted 
eternity in the hearts of [humankind]...
http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/17371/eVerseID/17371/version/amp/opt/parallel



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:

 I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when 
 all is naked and when all is somehow reconciled?
 
 Oddly, when there are no longer our thoughts protecting us from 
 eternity, the nakedness (to ourselves) continues, and the 
 reconciliation of everything continues also. 
 
 With silence, vs. thoughts, as a native mental state, eternity is 
 naturally present, because there are no marked boundaries in that 
 state, no limitations. How could there be?
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote:
 
  Yah. (Carol smiles)
  
  What an incredible voyage O\or, as the Grateful Dead put it...what 
  a long, strange trip it's been...
  
  Except it's not all been; it continues on as an is. 
  
  I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when 
  all is naked and when all is somehow reconciled?
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ 
  wrote:
  
   The other thing that occurs to me about this process, is the self 
   preservation that issues themselves take on, within us, within 
   our awareness. Sort of the Alien scenario, without the exploding 
   chest. Seriously, they form themselves such that they are 
   protected from our examination.
   
   The physical model I came up with was that of issues taking the 
   form of small christmas ornament sized silver reflective balls, 
   within our awareness, so as to provide no apparent means of 
   entry, beyond the reflective illusion. They are enhanced in size 
   by the reflection of our anxiety and fear, in 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted - to Doc

[doctordumbass]

I'd enjoy hearing that if you care to share it. I flashed through the link to 
HeartMath, and there is some great stuff in there, will return for a larger 
meal later - liked the change in perspective, from the traditional approach, 
brain impulses influencing the heart, to the heart's influence, comprehensively 
affecting even our immediate environment.

Also liked the charts comparing different emotional states with micro changes 
in heart voltage and regularity. I have a slow pulse - normal resting pulse is 
about 50 bpm, and has gone down slowly over the years.

Hope that you recover quickly and completely from your surgery, and they are 
giving you lots of pain medication. I am always a baby when it comes to post 
operative pain (especially dental), and make sure I get strong meds. 

I don't have any carpal tunnel symptoms, possibly because I never learned to 
touch type - Thank God computers were invented! I've hunted and pecked my way 
through an entire career, focused on writing.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@... wrote:

 Here's one link to HeartMath.
 http://www.heartmath.org/research/science-of-the-heart/introduction.html
 
 There is a story, of course, as to how I 'chanced' upon HeartMath's work in 
 the early 2000s as I perused the (now obsolete, RIP) bookshelves at Borders 
 intuitively perusing for my next book to read.
 
 Take heart! ;)
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Thanks for the suggested materials - I haven't heard about the Institute of 
  HeartMath. It is an enjoyable study, to watch when the heart overflows 
  sometimes, and other times when the knife sharp intellect must organize 
  something. The book sounds cool too.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote:
  
   Thanks Doc. 
   
   What you state makes sense to me. 
   
   Life is large. It's nice to keep it in perspective.
   
   I may have asked before if you are familiar with the Institute of 
   HeartMath? It gets into how our hearts think...not as metaphor, but how 
   our hearts actually help us make decisions.
   
   Which brings to mind a couple books I read some years back by Paul 
   Pearsall. One of those books is The Heart's Code. Reading the accounts 
   of organ transplant patients regarding cellular memory is fascinating.
   **
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
   
Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is 
the nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that 
exists.

*Beautifully* put!!! Thanks!

To get into technicalities, our thoughts serve the legitimate purpose 
of bringing our desires into being. However, in order to do this 
efficiently, we must attain a grace, or synchrony, with ourselves and 
our surroundings, so that the mind; the heart, and the discrimination, 
both, don't use up so much energy, just freely spinning, or getting 
lost in fantasies.

So, life, anchored in eternity, in silence, is actually a fuller life 
than that imposed by the ego, dancing from thought to thought. 

Thoughts are amazing and powerful impulses. When we are able to witness 
their rising from a native bed of silence, they fulfill life's purpose 
for each of us. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote:

 I hope there are thoughts in eternity. Seems it'd be very boring 
 otherwise. 
 
 But, I'm probably missing your point. Or maybe part of your point is 
 there is no point?
 
 (I vaguely recall that movie, The Point. )
 
 So, if I understand what you are saying... our thoughts protect us 
 from eternity (or rather work as a defense mechanism blocking 
 ourselves to be able to experience eternity).  Eternity abides at all 
 times in the silence within each of us; it is the nakedness of who we 
 are and is continually reconciling all that exists.
 
 Oddly enough, a scripture verse comes to mind, ...[God] hath planted 
 eternity in the hearts of [humankind]...
 http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/17371/eVerseID/17371/version/amp/opt/parallel
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when 
  all is naked and when all is somehow reconciled?
  
  Oddly, when there are no longer our thoughts protecting us from 
  eternity, the nakedness (to ourselves) continues, and the 
  reconciliation of everything continues also. 
  
  With silence, vs. thoughts, as a native mental state, eternity is 
  naturally present, because there are no marked boundaries in that 
  state, no limitations. How could there be?
  
  --- In 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted - to Doc

[doctordumbass]

Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is the 
nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that exists.

*Beautifully* put!!! Thanks!

To get into technicalities, our thoughts serve the legitimate purpose of 
bringing our desires into being. However, in order to do this efficiently, we 
must attain a grace, or synchrony, with ourselves and our surroundings, so that 
the mind; the heart, and the discrimination, both, don't use up so much energy, 
just freely spinning, or getting lost in fantasies.

So, life, anchored in eternity, in silence, is actually a fuller life than that 
imposed by the ego, dancing from thought to thought. 

Thoughts are amazing and powerful impulses. When we are able to witness their 
rising from a native bed of silence, they fulfill life's purpose for each of 
us. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@... wrote:

 I hope there are thoughts in eternity. Seems it'd be very boring otherwise. 
 
 But, I'm probably missing your point. Or maybe part of your point is there is 
 no point?
 
 (I vaguely recall that movie, The Point. )
 
 So, if I understand what you are saying... our thoughts protect us from 
 eternity (or rather work as a defense mechanism blocking ourselves to be able 
 to experience eternity).  Eternity abides at all times in the silence within 
 each of us; it is the nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling 
 all that exists.
 
 Oddly enough, a scripture verse comes to mind, ...[God] hath planted 
 eternity in the hearts of [humankind]...
 http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/17371/eVerseID/17371/version/amp/opt/parallel
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is 
  naked and when all is somehow reconciled?
  
  Oddly, when there are no longer our thoughts protecting us from eternity, 
  the nakedness (to ourselves) continues, and the reconciliation of 
  everything continues also. 
  
  With silence, vs. thoughts, as a native mental state, eternity is naturally 
  present, because there are no marked boundaries in that state, no 
  limitations. How could there be?
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote:
  
   Yah. (Carol smiles)
   
   What an incredible voyage O\or, as the Grateful Dead put it...what a 
   long, strange trip it's been...
   
   Except it's not all been; it continues on as an is. 
   
   I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is 
   naked and when all is somehow reconciled?
   
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
   
The other thing that occurs to me about this process, is the self 
preservation that issues themselves take on, within us, within our 
awareness. Sort of the Alien scenario, without the exploding chest. 
Seriously, they form themselves such that they are protected from our 
examination.

The physical model I came up with was that of issues taking the form of 
small christmas ornament sized silver reflective balls, within our 
awareness, so as to provide no apparent means of entry, beyond the 
reflective illusion. They are enhanced in size by the reflection of our 
anxiety and fear, in facing them. 

Pretty weird Maya, until each is dealt with, and found to be far less 
intimidating, than they first appear. 

Perhaps closer to The Incredible Voyage, than Alien. :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:

 Thank you - Yeah, its not an either/or for me, regarding expression 
 of the past. However we express and *integrate* it. The interesting 
 thing I have found is that once the past issues have been faced, they 
 don't go away. 
 
 Instead, they simply become part of the integrated memory landscape, 
 nothing left to overtly revel in, cringe from, or castigate. The 
 previous issue is still seen in its entirety, but without the sting 
 and magnification. As a result, all the intense focus falls away, and 
 we move on to other speed bumps. All the hard sledding eventually 
 results in a much greater sense of presence, individual freedom, 
 evenness, and confidence.
 
 How do you digest the Universe? One bite at a time. Chew thoroughly.
 :-)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote:
 
  Great post Doc.
  
  I've asked myself many times over How long does *this* take? Why 
  the eff does it keep coming up to haunt me? I've often wished for 
  a don't-give-a-damn switch, in the sense of be able to 'get over' 
  something.
  
  Like other folks who've lived some life, I have techniques in my 
  tool box (one of those being mindfulness / meditation) that help 
  along that path. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted - to Doc

[Carol]

Great post Doc.

I've asked myself many times over How long does *this* take? Why the eff does 
it keep coming up to haunt me? I've often wished for a don't-give-a-damn 
switch, in the sense of be able to 'get over' something.

Like other folks who've lived some life, I have techniques in my tool box (one 
of those being mindfulness / meditation) that help along that path. 

I'm not of the opinion that if someone chooses to write about or express in 
other ways (dance, visual arts, etc) their life experiences from their distant 
or recent past (as that is all we have until the next moment) as an indication 
that they have not moved on. I don't see expression as being stuck in 
something. It could mean that; but only that person or someone who is 
intimately close with that person can really know if that is the case.

I like the word integrate (like you stated) more than the phrases getting 
over or moving on. (Though you did later in your comment use the phrase 
move on.)

Cul-de-sac syndrome...I'll have to adopt that term and recognize when I'm 
there. It's a good mind pic. Thank you! 

**




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 Yeah, exactly the way I feel too - How long does it take to integrate 
 something you no longer do? Valid question, and something I grapple with a 
 fair amount these days, now that I finally have the time to do so. 
 
 My obvious take on it is that stuff comes up in life, for all of us, 
 sometimes challenge after challenge after challenge, to the point of near 
 exhaustion. Processing it through reflection, becoming aware of all we go 
 through, and how it changes us is a vital part of life, something critical to 
 staying ALIVE, and present.
 
 But, whatever the current issue is, cult experience in this case, it is not 
 our identity, or our singular cause. Nothing really is. Nothing defines us 
 once and forever. That is a stale model, of the old culture of labels. 
 
 So it is a wonderful thing to hear someone express even the most negative 
 insights, if growth is apparent. However, if it just the ego getting trapped 
 in a cul-de-sac, it is worth pointing out, and moving on.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
  
   On second thought, you are right Dr Dummy - I hereby announce that I 
   officially revoke everything I said about Marshy and TM and I am gonna 
   program my Ipod to play only that goddamn funny, funny Maharishi Vedic 
   Honey video over and over and over - I hope one day to wear the white 
   (meaning become a raja) Jai Guru Dr. Dumbass!!!
  
  Hey MJ. I will throw my small thought into the mix here. I have read and 
  appreciated much of what you have written of your experiences at MIU, 
  within the various phases of your different roles within the Movement as a 
  meditator, member of staff and all the other ways in which you 
  participated. I especially enjoyed reading what you had to say a few months 
  ago when you first started posting about your 
  disappointment/disillusionment/disgruntlement with MMY and with many others 
  in positions of power and authority within the TMM. Although I was a 
  meditator for almost 20 years and graduated from MIU I have no hard 
  feelings about my time there or the technique. However, this does not stop 
  me from considering all that you have to say about your own, very 
  different, experience. And it does not mean I don't respect and consider 
  all that you have to say as far as I can do that without having gone 
  through or seen what you did.
  
  I am not sure how much further you can go with your unearthing of the 
  slimier aspects of what has gone on within the movement and around MMY and 
  even with MMY himself. I, for one, have a pretty clear picture of what you 
  know and how you feel. Your audience has been reading what you have to say 
  for weeks now and I am pretty sure we could, individually, write an essay 
  on how MJ feels about MMY and the Movement and the practice of TM. What is 
  happening now is that some are getting tired of reading, of being exposed 
  to, what is starting to sound a little like a broken record. What you have 
  to say isn't going anywhere past where it has been for a while now. It is 
  evidently important to you to use this forum, and other places, as a 
  sounding board for how you feel. But it seems as if you are having to 
  defend your position a little harder now, that there is not the same 
  empathy or support for your position. It seems you are starting to look 
  like a man standing alone on a hilltop defending his patch of land to an 
  ever-increasing number of those unsympathetic to your 'cause'. 
  
  I am not saying that what you have to say is less valid than it was three 
  months ago it is just that if you test the wind direction and the barometer 
  it is telling you your audience here 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted - to Doc

[doctordumbass]

Thank you - Yeah, its not an either/or for me, regarding expression of the 
past. However we express and *integrate* it. The interesting thing I have found 
is that once the past issues have been faced, they don't go away. 

Instead, they simply become part of the integrated memory landscape, nothing 
left to overtly revel in, cringe from, or castigate. The previous issue is 
still seen in its entirety, but without the sting and magnification. As a 
result, all the intense focus falls away, and we move on to other speed bumps. 
All the hard sledding eventually results in a much greater sense of presence, 
individual freedom, evenness, and confidence.

How do you digest the Universe? One bite at a time. Chew thoroughly.
:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@... wrote:

 Great post Doc.
 
 I've asked myself many times over How long does *this* take? Why the eff 
 does it keep coming up to haunt me? I've often wished for a 
 don't-give-a-damn switch, in the sense of be able to 'get over' something.
 
 Like other folks who've lived some life, I have techniques in my tool box 
 (one of those being mindfulness / meditation) that help along that path. 
 
 I'm not of the opinion that if someone chooses to write about or express in 
 other ways (dance, visual arts, etc) their life experiences from their 
 distant or recent past (as that is all we have until the next moment) as an 
 indication that they have not moved on. I don't see expression as being 
 stuck in something. It could mean that; but only that person or someone who 
 is intimately close with that person can really know if that is the case.
 
 I like the word integrate (like you stated) more than the phrases getting 
 over or moving on. (Though you did later in your comment use the phrase 
 move on.)
 
 Cul-de-sac syndrome...I'll have to adopt that term and recognize when I'm 
 there. It's a good mind pic. Thank you! 
 
 **
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Yeah, exactly the way I feel too - How long does it take to integrate 
  something you no longer do? Valid question, and something I grapple with a 
  fair amount these days, now that I finally have the time to do so. 
  
  My obvious take on it is that stuff comes up in life, for all of us, 
  sometimes challenge after challenge after challenge, to the point of near 
  exhaustion. Processing it through reflection, becoming aware of all we go 
  through, and how it changes us is a vital part of life, something critical 
  to staying ALIVE, and present.
  
  But, whatever the current issue is, cult experience in this case, it is not 
  our identity, or our singular cause. Nothing really is. Nothing defines us 
  once and forever. That is a stale model, of the old culture of labels. 
  
  So it is a wonderful thing to hear someone express even the most negative 
  insights, if growth is apparent. However, if it just the ego getting 
  trapped in a cul-de-sac, it is worth pointing out, and moving on.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
   
On second thought, you are right Dr Dummy - I hereby announce that I 
officially revoke everything I said about Marshy and TM and I am gonna 
program my Ipod to play only that goddamn funny, funny Maharishi Vedic 
Honey video over and over and over - I hope one day to wear the white 
(meaning become a raja) Jai Guru Dr. Dumbass!!!
   
   Hey MJ. I will throw my small thought into the mix here. I have read and 
   appreciated much of what you have written of your experiences at MIU, 
   within the various phases of your different roles within the Movement as 
   a meditator, member of staff and all the other ways in which you 
   participated. I especially enjoyed reading what you had to say a few 
   months ago when you first started posting about your 
   disappointment/disillusionment/disgruntlement with MMY and with many 
   others in positions of power and authority within the TMM. Although I was 
   a meditator for almost 20 years and graduated from MIU I have no hard 
   feelings about my time there or the technique. However, this does not 
   stop me from considering all that you have to say about your own, very 
   different, experience. And it does not mean I don't respect and consider 
   all that you have to say as far as I can do that without having gone 
   through or seen what you did.
   
   I am not sure how much further you can go with your unearthing of the 
   slimier aspects of what has gone on within the movement and around MMY 
   and even with MMY himself. I, for one, have a pretty clear picture of 
   what you know and how you feel. Your audience has been reading what you 
   have to say for weeks now and I am pretty sure we could, individually, 
   write an essay on how MJ feels about MMY and the Movement and the 
   practice of 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted - to Doc

[doctordumbass]

The other thing that occurs to me about this process, is the self preservation 
that issues themselves take on, within us, within our awareness. Sort of the 
Alien scenario, without the exploding chest. Seriously, they form themselves 
such that they are protected from our examination.

The physical model I came up with was that of issues taking the form of small 
christmas ornament sized silver reflective balls, within our awareness, so as 
to provide no apparent means of entry, beyond the reflective illusion. They are 
enhanced in size by the reflection of our anxiety and fear, in facing them. 

Pretty weird Maya, until each is dealt with, and found to be far less 
intimidating, than they first appear. 

Perhaps closer to The Incredible Voyage, than Alien. :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 Thank you - Yeah, its not an either/or for me, regarding expression of the 
 past. However we express and *integrate* it. The interesting thing I have 
 found is that once the past issues have been faced, they don't go away. 
 
 Instead, they simply become part of the integrated memory landscape, nothing 
 left to overtly revel in, cringe from, or castigate. The previous issue is 
 still seen in its entirety, but without the sting and magnification. As a 
 result, all the intense focus falls away, and we move on to other speed 
 bumps. All the hard sledding eventually results in a much greater sense of 
 presence, individual freedom, evenness, and confidence.
 
 How do you digest the Universe? One bite at a time. Chew thoroughly.
 :-)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote:
 
  Great post Doc.
  
  I've asked myself many times over How long does *this* take? Why the eff 
  does it keep coming up to haunt me? I've often wished for a 
  don't-give-a-damn switch, in the sense of be able to 'get over' something.
  
  Like other folks who've lived some life, I have techniques in my tool box 
  (one of those being mindfulness / meditation) that help along that path. 
  
  I'm not of the opinion that if someone chooses to write about or express in 
  other ways (dance, visual arts, etc) their life experiences from their 
  distant or recent past (as that is all we have until the next moment) as an 
  indication that they have not moved on. I don't see expression as being 
  stuck in something. It could mean that; but only that person or someone who 
  is intimately close with that person can really know if that is the case.
  
  I like the word integrate (like you stated) more than the phrases 
  getting over or moving on. (Though you did later in your comment use 
  the phrase move on.)
  
  Cul-de-sac syndrome...I'll have to adopt that term and recognize when I'm 
  there. It's a good mind pic. Thank you! 
  
  **
  
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Yeah, exactly the way I feel too - How long does it take to integrate 
   something you no longer do? Valid question, and something I grapple with 
   a fair amount these days, now that I finally have the time to do so. 
   
   My obvious take on it is that stuff comes up in life, for all of us, 
   sometimes challenge after challenge after challenge, to the point of near 
   exhaustion. Processing it through reflection, becoming aware of all we go 
   through, and how it changes us is a vital part of life, something 
   critical to staying ALIVE, and present.
   
   But, whatever the current issue is, cult experience in this case, it is 
   not our identity, or our singular cause. Nothing really is. Nothing 
   defines us once and forever. That is a stale model, of the old culture of 
   labels. 
   
   So it is a wonderful thing to hear someone express even the most negative 
   insights, if growth is apparent. However, if it just the ego getting 
   trapped in a cul-de-sac, it is worth pointing out, and moving on.
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
   


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ 
wrote:

 On second thought, you are right Dr Dummy - I hereby announce that I 
 officially revoke everything I said about Marshy and TM and I am 
 gonna program my Ipod to play only that goddamn funny, funny 
 Maharishi Vedic Honey video over and over and over - I hope one day 
 to wear the white (meaning become a raja) Jai Guru Dr. Dumbass!!!

Hey MJ. I will throw my small thought into the mix here. I have read 
and appreciated much of what you have written of your experiences at 
MIU, within the various phases of your different roles within the 
Movement as a meditator, member of staff and all the other ways in 
which you participated. I especially enjoyed reading what you had to 
say a few months ago when you first started posting about your 
disappointment/disillusionment/disgruntlement with MMY and with many 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted - to Doc

[Carol]

Yah. (Carol smiles)

What an incredible voyage O\or, as the Grateful Dead put it...what a long, 
strange trip it's been...

Except it's not all been; it continues on as an is. 

I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is naked 
and when all is somehow reconciled?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 The other thing that occurs to me about this process, is the self 
 preservation that issues themselves take on, within us, within our awareness. 
 Sort of the Alien scenario, without the exploding chest. Seriously, they form 
 themselves such that they are protected from our examination.
 
 The physical model I came up with was that of issues taking the form of small 
 christmas ornament sized silver reflective balls, within our awareness, so as 
 to provide no apparent means of entry, beyond the reflective illusion. They 
 are enhanced in size by the reflection of our anxiety and fear, in facing 
 them. 
 
 Pretty weird Maya, until each is dealt with, and found to be far less 
 intimidating, than they first appear. 
 
 Perhaps closer to The Incredible Voyage, than Alien. :-)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Thank you - Yeah, its not an either/or for me, regarding expression of the 
  past. However we express and *integrate* it. The interesting thing I have 
  found is that once the past issues have been faced, they don't go away. 
  
  Instead, they simply become part of the integrated memory landscape, 
  nothing left to overtly revel in, cringe from, or castigate. The previous 
  issue is still seen in its entirety, but without the sting and 
  magnification. As a result, all the intense focus falls away, and we move 
  on to other speed bumps. All the hard sledding eventually results in a much 
  greater sense of presence, individual freedom, evenness, and confidence.
  
  How do you digest the Universe? One bite at a time. Chew thoroughly.
  :-)
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote:
  
   Great post Doc.
   
   I've asked myself many times over How long does *this* take? Why the eff 
   does it keep coming up to haunt me? I've often wished for a 
   don't-give-a-damn switch, in the sense of be able to 'get over' something.
   
   Like other folks who've lived some life, I have techniques in my tool box 
   (one of those being mindfulness / meditation) that help along that path. 
   
   I'm not of the opinion that if someone chooses to write about or express 
   in other ways (dance, visual arts, etc) their life experiences from their 
   distant or recent past (as that is all we have until the next moment) as 
   an indication that they have not moved on. I don't see expression as 
   being stuck in something. It could mean that; but only that person or 
   someone who is intimately close with that person can really know if that 
   is the case.
   
   I like the word integrate (like you stated) more than the phrases 
   getting over or moving on. (Though you did later in your comment use 
   the phrase move on.)
   
   Cul-de-sac syndrome...I'll have to adopt that term and recognize when I'm 
   there. It's a good mind pic. Thank you! 
   
   **
   
   
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
   
Yeah, exactly the way I feel too - How long does it take to integrate 
something you no longer do? Valid question, and something I grapple 
with a fair amount these days, now that I finally have the time to do 
so. 

My obvious take on it is that stuff comes up in life, for all of us, 
sometimes challenge after challenge after challenge, to the point of 
near exhaustion. Processing it through reflection, becoming aware of 
all we go through, and how it changes us is a vital part of life, 
something critical to staying ALIVE, and present.

But, whatever the current issue is, cult experience in this case, it is 
not our identity, or our singular cause. Nothing really is. Nothing 
defines us once and forever. That is a stale model, of the old culture 
of labels. 

So it is a wonderful thing to hear someone express even the most 
negative insights, if growth is apparent. However, if it just the ego 
getting trapped in a cul-de-sac, it is worth pointing out, and moving 
on.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ 
 wrote:
 
  On second thought, you are right Dr Dummy - I hereby announce that 
  I officially revoke everything I said about Marshy and TM and I am 
  gonna program my Ipod to play only that goddamn funny, funny 
  Maharishi Vedic Honey video over and over and over - I hope one day 
  to wear the white (meaning become a raja) Jai Guru Dr. Dumbass!!!
 
 Hey MJ. I will throw my 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted - to Doc

[doctordumbass]

I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is naked 
and when all is somehow reconciled?

Oddly, when there are no longer our thoughts protecting us from eternity, the 
nakedness (to ourselves) continues, and the reconciliation of everything 
continues also. 

With silence, vs. thoughts, as a native mental state, eternity is naturally 
present, because there are no marked boundaries in that state, no limitations. 
How could there be?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@... wrote:

 Yah. (Carol smiles)
 
 What an incredible voyage O\or, as the Grateful Dead put it...what a long, 
 strange trip it's been...
 
 Except it's not all been; it continues on as an is. 
 
 I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is 
 naked and when all is somehow reconciled?
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  The other thing that occurs to me about this process, is the self 
  preservation that issues themselves take on, within us, within our 
  awareness. Sort of the Alien scenario, without the exploding chest. 
  Seriously, they form themselves such that they are protected from our 
  examination.
  
  The physical model I came up with was that of issues taking the form of 
  small christmas ornament sized silver reflective balls, within our 
  awareness, so as to provide no apparent means of entry, beyond the 
  reflective illusion. They are enhanced in size by the reflection of our 
  anxiety and fear, in facing them. 
  
  Pretty weird Maya, until each is dealt with, and found to be far less 
  intimidating, than they first appear. 
  
  Perhaps closer to The Incredible Voyage, than Alien. :-)
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
  
   Thank you - Yeah, its not an either/or for me, regarding expression of 
   the past. However we express and *integrate* it. The interesting thing I 
   have found is that once the past issues have been faced, they don't go 
   away. 
   
   Instead, they simply become part of the integrated memory landscape, 
   nothing left to overtly revel in, cringe from, or castigate. The previous 
   issue is still seen in its entirety, but without the sting and 
   magnification. As a result, all the intense focus falls away, and we move 
   on to other speed bumps. All the hard sledding eventually results in a 
   much greater sense of presence, individual freedom, evenness, and 
   confidence.
   
   How do you digest the Universe? One bite at a time. Chew thoroughly.
   :-)
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote:
   
Great post Doc.

I've asked myself many times over How long does *this* take? Why the 
eff does it keep coming up to haunt me? I've often wished for a 
don't-give-a-damn switch, in the sense of be able to 'get over' 
something.

Like other folks who've lived some life, I have techniques in my tool 
box (one of those being mindfulness / meditation) that help along that 
path. 

I'm not of the opinion that if someone chooses to write about or 
express in other ways (dance, visual arts, etc) their life experiences 
from their distant or recent past (as that is all we have until the 
next moment) as an indication that they have not moved on. I don't 
see expression as being stuck in something. It could mean that; but 
only that person or someone who is intimately close with that person 
can really know if that is the case.

I like the word integrate (like you stated) more than the phrases 
getting over or moving on. (Though you did later in your comment 
use the phrase move on.)

Cul-de-sac syndrome...I'll have to adopt that term and recognize when 
I'm there. It's a good mind pic. Thank you! 

**




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:

 Yeah, exactly the way I feel too - How long does it take to integrate 
 something you no longer do? Valid question, and something I grapple 
 with a fair amount these days, now that I finally have the time to do 
 so. 
 
 My obvious take on it is that stuff comes up in life, for all of us, 
 sometimes challenge after challenge after challenge, to the point of 
 near exhaustion. Processing it through reflection, becoming aware of 
 all we go through, and how it changes us is a vital part of life, 
 something critical to staying ALIVE, and present.
 
 But, whatever the current issue is, cult experience in this case, it 
 is not our identity, or our singular cause. Nothing really is. 
 Nothing defines us once and forever. That is a stale model, of the 
 old culture of labels. 
 
 So it is a wonderful thing to hear someone express even the most 
 negative insights, if growth is apparent. However, if it just the ego 
 getting 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind leading the sighted - to Doc

[Carol]

I hope there are thoughts in eternity. Seems it'd be very boring otherwise. 

But, I'm probably missing your point. Or maybe part of your point is there is 
no point?

(I vaguely recall that movie, The Point. )

So, if I understand what you are saying... our thoughts protect us from 
eternity (or rather work as a defense mechanism blocking ourselves to be able 
to experience eternity).  Eternity abides at all times in the silence within 
each of us; it is the nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling 
all that exists.

Oddly enough, a scripture verse comes to mind, ...[God] hath planted eternity 
in the hearts of [humankind]...
http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/17371/eVerseID/17371/version/amp/opt/parallel



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is 
 naked and when all is somehow reconciled?
 
 Oddly, when there are no longer our thoughts protecting us from eternity, the 
 nakedness (to ourselves) continues, and the reconciliation of everything 
 continues also. 
 
 With silence, vs. thoughts, as a native mental state, eternity is naturally 
 present, because there are no marked boundaries in that state, no 
 limitations. How could there be?
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote:
 
  Yah. (Carol smiles)
  
  What an incredible voyage O\or, as the Grateful Dead put it...what a long, 
  strange trip it's been...
  
  Except it's not all been; it continues on as an is. 
  
  I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is 
  naked and when all is somehow reconciled?
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
  
   The other thing that occurs to me about this process, is the self 
   preservation that issues themselves take on, within us, within our 
   awareness. Sort of the Alien scenario, without the exploding chest. 
   Seriously, they form themselves such that they are protected from our 
   examination.
   
   The physical model I came up with was that of issues taking the form of 
   small christmas ornament sized silver reflective balls, within our 
   awareness, so as to provide no apparent means of entry, beyond the 
   reflective illusion. They are enhanced in size by the reflection of our 
   anxiety and fear, in facing them. 
   
   Pretty weird Maya, until each is dealt with, and found to be far less 
   intimidating, than they first appear. 
   
   Perhaps closer to The Incredible Voyage, than Alien. :-)
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
   
Thank you - Yeah, its not an either/or for me, regarding expression of 
the past. However we express and *integrate* it. The interesting thing 
I have found is that once the past issues have been faced, they don't 
go away. 

Instead, they simply become part of the integrated memory landscape, 
nothing left to overtly revel in, cringe from, or castigate. The 
previous issue is still seen in its entirety, but without the sting and 
magnification. As a result, all the intense focus falls away, and we 
move on to other speed bumps. All the hard sledding eventually results 
in a much greater sense of presence, individual freedom, evenness, and 
confidence.

How do you digest the Universe? One bite at a time. Chew thoroughly.
:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Carol jchwelch@ wrote:

 Great post Doc.
 
 I've asked myself many times over How long does *this* take? Why the 
 eff does it keep coming up to haunt me? I've often wished for a 
 don't-give-a-damn switch, in the sense of be able to 'get over' 
 something.
 
 Like other folks who've lived some life, I have techniques in my tool 
 box (one of those being mindfulness / meditation) that help along 
 that path. 
 
 I'm not of the opinion that if someone chooses to write about or 
 express in other ways (dance, visual arts, etc) their life 
 experiences from their distant or recent past (as that is all we have 
 until the next moment) as an indication that they have not moved 
 on. I don't see expression as being stuck in something. It could 
 mean that; but only that person or someone who is intimately close 
 with that person can really know if that is the case.
 
 I like the word integrate (like you stated) more than the phrases 
 getting over or moving on. (Though you did later in your comment 
 use the phrase move on.)
 
 Cul-de-sac syndrome...I'll have to adopt that term and recognize when 
 I'm there. It's a good mind pic. Thank you! 
 
 **
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  Yeah, exactly the way I feel too - How long does it take