"Eternity abides at all times in the silence within each of us; it is the nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling all that exists."
*Beautifully* put!!! Thanks! To get into technicalities, our thoughts serve the legitimate purpose of bringing our desires into being. However, in order to do this efficiently, we must attain a grace, or synchrony, with ourselves and our surroundings, so that the mind; the heart, and the discrimination, both, don't use up so much energy, just freely spinning, or getting lost in fantasies. So, life, anchored in eternity, in silence, is actually a fuller life than that imposed by the ego, dancing from thought to thought. Thoughts are amazing and powerful impulses. When we are able to witness their rising from a native bed of silence, they fulfill life's purpose for each of us. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <jchwelch@...> wrote: > > I hope there are thoughts in eternity. Seems it'd be very boring otherwise. > > But, I'm probably missing your point. Or maybe part of your point is there is > no point? > > (I vaguely recall that movie, The Point. ) > > So, if I understand what you are saying... our thoughts protect us from > eternity (or rather work as a defense mechanism blocking ourselves to be able > to experience eternity). Eternity abides at all times in the silence within > each of us; it is the nakedness of who we are and is continually reconciling > all that exists. > > Oddly enough, a scripture verse comes to mind, "...[God] hath planted > eternity in the hearts of [humankind]..." > http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/17371/eVerseID/17371/version/amp/opt/parallel > > ************ > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > "I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is > > naked and when all is somehow reconciled?" > > > > Oddly, when there are no longer our thoughts protecting us from eternity, > > the nakedness (to ourselves) continues, and the reconciliation of > > everything continues also. > > > > With silence, vs. thoughts, as a native mental state, eternity is naturally > > present, because there are no marked boundaries in that state, no > > limitations. How could there be? > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <jchwelch@> wrote: > > > > > > Yah. (Carol smiles) > > > > > > What an incredible voyage O\or, as the Grateful Dead put it..."what a > > > long, strange trip it's been..." > > > > > > Except it's not all "been;" it continues on as an "is." > > > > > > I wonder if there is an eternity and if there will be a time when all is > > > naked and when all is somehow reconciled? > > > > > > **** > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The other thing that occurs to me about this process, is the self > > > > preservation that issues themselves take on, within us, within our > > > > awareness. Sort of the Alien scenario, without the exploding chest. > > > > Seriously, they form themselves such that they are protected from our > > > > examination. > > > > > > > > The physical model I came up with was that of issues taking the form of > > > > small christmas ornament sized silver reflective balls, within our > > > > awareness, so as to provide no apparent means of entry, beyond the > > > > reflective illusion. They are enhanced in size by the reflection of our > > > > anxiety and fear, in facing them. > > > > > > > > Pretty weird Maya, until each is dealt with, and found to be far less > > > > intimidating, than they first appear. > > > > > > > > Perhaps closer to The Incredible Voyage, than Alien. :-) > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thank you - Yeah, its not an either/or for me, regarding expression > > > > > of the past. However we express and *integrate* it. The interesting > > > > > thing I have found is that once the past issues have been faced, they > > > > > don't go away. > > > > > > > > > > Instead, they simply become part of the integrated memory landscape, > > > > > nothing left to overtly revel in, cringe from, or castigate. The > > > > > previous issue is still seen in its entirety, but without the sting > > > > > and magnification. As a result, all the intense focus falls away, and > > > > > we move on to other speed bumps. All the hard sledding eventually > > > > > results in a much greater sense of presence, individual freedom, > > > > > evenness, and confidence. > > > > > > > > > > How do you digest the Universe? One bite at a time. Chew thoroughly. > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <jchwelch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Great post Doc. > > > > > > > > > > > > I've asked myself many times over "How long does *this* take? Why > > > > > > the eff does it keep coming up to haunt me?" I've often wished for > > > > > > a don't-give-a-damn switch, in the sense of be able to 'get over' > > > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > > > Like other folks who've lived some life, I have techniques in my > > > > > > tool box (one of those being mindfulness / meditation) that help > > > > > > along that path. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not of the opinion that if someone chooses to write about or > > > > > > express in other ways (dance, visual arts, etc) their life > > > > > > experiences from their distant or recent past (as that is all we > > > > > > have until the next moment) as an indication that they have not > > > > > > "moved on." I don't see expression as being stuck in something. It > > > > > > could mean that; but only that person or someone who is intimately > > > > > > close with that person can really know if that is the case. > > > > > > > > > > > > I like the word "integrate" (like you stated) more than the phrases > > > > > > "getting over" or "moving on." (Though you did later in your > > > > > > comment use the phrase "move on.") > > > > > > > > > > > > Cul-de-sac syndrome...I'll have to adopt that term and recognize > > > > > > when I'm there. It's a good mind pic. Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > > > ********** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, exactly the way I feel too - How long does it take to > > > > > > > integrate something you no longer do? Valid question, and > > > > > > > something I grapple with a fair amount these days, now that I > > > > > > > finally have the time to do so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My obvious take on it is that stuff comes up in life, for all of > > > > > > > us, sometimes challenge after challenge after challenge, to the > > > > > > > point of near exhaustion. Processing it through reflection, > > > > > > > becoming aware of all we go through, and how it changes us is a > > > > > > > vital part of life, something critical to staying ALIVE, and > > > > > > > present. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, whatever the current issue is, cult experience in this case, > > > > > > > it is not our identity, or our singular cause. Nothing really is. > > > > > > > Nothing defines us once and forever. That is a stale model, of > > > > > > > the old culture of labels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is a wonderful thing to hear someone express even the most > > > > > > > negative insights, if growth is apparent. However, if it just the > > > > > > > ego getting trapped in a cul-de-sac, it is worth pointing out, > > > > > > > and moving on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <awoelflebater@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson > > > > > > > > <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On second thought, you are right Dr Dummy - I hereby announce > > > > > > > > > that I officially revoke everything I said about Marshy and > > > > > > > > > TM and I am gonna program my Ipod to play only that goddamn > > > > > > > > > funny, funny Maharishi Vedic Honey video over and over and > > > > > > > > > over - I hope one day to wear the white (meaning become a > > > > > > > > > raja) Jai Guru Dr. Dumbass!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey MJ. I will throw my small thought into the mix here. I have > > > > > > > > read and appreciated much of what you have written of your > > > > > > > > experiences at MIU, within the various phases of your different > > > > > > > > roles within the Movement as a meditator, member of staff and > > > > > > > > all the other ways in which you participated. I especially > > > > > > > > enjoyed reading what you had to say a few months ago when you > > > > > > > > first started posting about your > > > > > > > > disappointment/disillusionment/disgruntlement with MMY and with > > > > > > > > many others in positions of power and authority within the TMM. > > > > > > > > Although I was a meditator for almost 20 years and graduated > > > > > > > > from MIU I have no hard feelings about my time there or the > > > > > > > > technique. However, this does not stop me from considering all > > > > > > > > that you have to say about your own, very different, > > > > > > > > experience. And it does not mean I don't respect and consider > > > > > > > > all that you have to say as far as I can do that without having > > > > > > > > gone through or seen what you did. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure how much further you can go with your unearthing > > > > > > > > of the slimier aspects of what has gone on within the movement > > > > > > > > and around MMY and even with MMY himself. I, for one, have a > > > > > > > > pretty clear picture of what you know and how you feel. Your > > > > > > > > audience has been reading what you have to say for weeks now > > > > > > > > and I am pretty sure we could, individually, write an essay on > > > > > > > > how MJ feels about MMY and the Movement and the practice of TM. > > > > > > > > What is happening now is that some are getting tired of > > > > > > > > reading, of being exposed to, what is starting to sound a > > > > > > > > little like a broken record. What you have to say isn't going > > > > > > > > anywhere past where it has been for a while now. It is > > > > > > > > evidently important to you to use this forum, and other places, > > > > > > > > as a sounding board for how you feel. But it seems as if you > > > > > > > > are having to defend your position a little harder now, that > > > > > > > > there is not the same empathy or support for your position. It > > > > > > > > seems you are starting to look like a man standing alone on a > > > > > > > > hilltop defending his patch of land to an ever-increasing > > > > > > > > number of those unsympathetic to your 'cause'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not saying that what you have to say is less valid than it > > > > > > > > was three months ago it is just that if you test the wind > > > > > > > > direction and the barometer it is telling you your audience > > > > > > > > here is not quite as receptive to your message as it once was. > > > > > > > > This is, of course, only my opinion. I respect your need to > > > > > > > > voice how you feel and admire your courage to do just that but > > > > > > > > I think I have gotten the message now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > From: "doctordumbass@" <doctordumbass@> > > > > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 8:35 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] TM Critics on FFL - the blind > > > > > > > > > "leading" the sighted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > Just such a strange thing, that the fiercest critics of TM on > > > > > > > > > here, are those with no recent experience of the technique. > > > > > > > > > Sure, they had their heyday - a few decades ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, looking back hazily on those times, they stand up as > > > > > > > > > those to be believed, the DEFINITIVE VOICES regarding the > > > > > > > > > technique, its founder, and any other pearls that spew forth. > > > > > > > > > Its just so much tripe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Being ordinarily skeptical, doubting stuff I am told, is > > > > > > > > > second nature to me - an excellent survival tool, imo. So I > > > > > > > > > can appreciate airing doubts about...anything. However, how > > > > > > > > > long does it take to integrate something THAT YOU NO LONGER > > > > > > > > > PRACTICE into your life? Why the public fixation on something > > > > > > > > > that no longer has value to you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you warning us? (how condescending) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you saving us? (how laughable) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you opening our eyes? (see above) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are you *devoting* your time and thought, to something > > > > > > > > > you no longer do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Color me Puzzled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
