[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Sorry. I don't get it. Perhaps if you define simly closely. Add a p; it's as simple as that for most people, but obviously not for you. Do you really want to be on Ophrah with this batgap nonsense ? Your foolishess knows no bounds. phrndlnss cmpssn hppnss, and all that?? ;)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis
yifuxero: You're confusing the issues... The author of this site, Timothy Conway, is obviously an Amma devotee. It is very unseemly to criticize and categorize the new self-help teachers without revealing your own affiliations - it's dishonest. http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/neo-advaita.html The accused are apparently Wayne Liquorman, Dennis Waite, Echole Tolle, Andrew Cohen, and other teachers of the non-dualist persuasion. But, I've seen no really cogent argument that these teachers are anything but non-dualists. Ramana had no authorized disciples - Acharya Gaudapada was the first 'Neo-Advatin'! You don't have to like your teacher - just do what he or she says. Otherwise, find another teacher to your liking. ...there is, as yet, no such large-scale support for a pure Advaita Vedanta sangha(s) inspired by (NOT in the lineage of) Ramana Maharshi or other well-respected sages like Nisargadatta Maharaj, Atmananda (Sri Krishna Menon), et al. Traps and Pitfalls in the Neo-Advaita or Pseudo-Advaita form of Advaita (Nondual) Spirituality: http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/neo-advaita.html Jivanmukti is not something to be attained after death, nor is it to be experienced or bestowed upon you in another world. It is a state of perfect awareness and equanimity, which can be experienced here and now in this world, while living in the body. - Amma
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Sorry. I don't get it. Perhaps if you define simly closely. Add a p; it's as simple as that for most people, but obviously not for you. Do you really want to be on Ophrah with this batgap nonsense ? Your foolishess knows no bounds. phrndlnss cmpssn hppnss, and all that?? ;) Haha :-) Well, I tried.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu Xero yifux...@... wrote: from http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/neo-advaita.html [The following is an analysis of what has come to be called âAdvaita Syndromeâ or âAdvaita Disease,â written by a philosophical counselor, Greg Goode (see his website: www.heartofnow.com). This piece has often circulated anonymously, but Greg is the author. He recently wrote to me: Dear Timothy... Writing about these satsang conceits was inspired by several years of close observation of the zoological type satsangus teacheritis. I used to visit and hang with two or three satsang teachers per month for several years as they came through NYC [New York City]. Boy could I tell you stories. I bet you have some too! I'm glad to see your page on the craziness of the neo-satsang movement. There's not much advaita to it so I don't call it neo-advaita.] As if being a real Advaitan was a good thing. How many Advaitans does it take to screw in a light bulb? Four: - One to screw it in. - One to not screw it in. - One to both screw it in and not screw it in. - One too neither screw it in nor not screw it in. :-) The thing that amuses me even more than the Neo-Advaitan I've had a realization experience so I'm realized act is the Edg Duveyoung I've never had a realization exper- ience in my life but I understand Ramana Maharshi perfectly act. The former at least can be referred to as delusion based on subjective experience; the latter only as delusion based on a complete misunderstanding of the intellect and its limitations, as well as an even more complete mis- perception of the shallowness of the intellect making the claim.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis
There's not much advaita to it so I don't call it neo-advaita... TurquoiseB As if being a real Advaitan was a good thing. Being a 'real' Advaitan like Ramana Maharishi means that you have given up the dualistic, materialistic point-of-view, and you accept that there is only one non-dual Absolute Truth, not many. How many Advaitans does it take to screw in a light bulb? Four: - One to screw it in. - One to not screw it in. - One to both screw it in and not screw it in. There is a redundant statement in this little limerick. Who can spot it? - One too neither screw it in nor not screw it in. There is only one Advaitan to screw - not four. The others are illusory. You have mis-stated the Advaita position, so this is a logical fallacy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis
I too have been disappointed in how others glom onto Advaita concepts in the manners listed below. It sucks. But it doesn't suck anymore than it sucks to be a Catholic and having to admit there are some evil priests. There's bad apples in every organization who are, yep, the ones that get interviewed by the press. The neo-Adviatans are of every ilk -- posers and phonies and true hearts too that, though well intended, simply have not yet gotten the Advaita tee shirt yet. But there they are on a stump. When one judges another religion or culture, it's a given that cherry picking any individual to prove one's case is disallowed out of hand. Therefore, putting down Advaita because of its followers is bankrupt from the start. And putting down, say, Capitalism or Communism for their followers -- same deal -- assholes grabbing camera time, bureaucratic positions, pulpits, et al. Only here or there does a star shine -- a saint Francis, a Socrates, an Aquinas, a Lincoln, a Ghandi, a Ramana Maharishi, a Guru Dev. There's where you can see what a religion or mindset is worth. Otherwise, why not just say, Look at this Barry guy -- might as well blow up the Earth. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Yifu Xero Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 9:45 PM To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis from http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/neo-advaita.html [The following is an analysis of what has come to be called âAdvaita Syndromeâ or âAdvaita Disease,â written by a philosophical counselor, Greg Goode (see his website: www.heartofnow.com). This piece has often circulated anonymously, but Greg is the author. He recently wrote to me: Dear Timothy... Writing about these satsang conceits was inspired by several years of close observation of the zoological type satsangus teacheritis. I used to visit and hang with two or three satsang teachers per month for several years as they came through NYC [New York City]. Boy could I tell you stories. I bet you have some too! I'm glad to see your page on the craziness of the neo-satsang movement. There's not much advaita to it so I don't call it neo-advaita.] LUCKNOW DISEASE - linguistic malady befalling seekers at Papaji's [HWL Poonja, 1913-97, of Lucknow, India]. Characterized by never using the word I to encourage one's self and also to show others that there is no one [no reified ego] at home here. Instead, they would say things like This form is going to the rest room. ADVAITA SHUFFLE - Conversational gambit. What [Papaji disciple] Andrew Cohen accused [another Papaji disciple] Gangaji of doing when she didn't want to talk about ethics and enlightenment. Jumping to the absolute level at odd times. Like when the receptionist asks why you were late for your doctor's appointment. There's no one here to go anywhere or be late for anything. LANDING - Losing one's enlightenment. What Gangaji accused Andrew Cohen of having done. Term used by those who think of enlightenment as a kind of thing that can be lost. Something like claiming enlightenment and then getting peevish and petty over who pays the tip at the dinner. NONDUAL POLICE - Those who badger others to use nondual terminology. Whenever they hear someone saying something like I'm going out for coffee, they barge in: WHO is going out for coffee?? Nondual police want everyone to always be in constant Ramana-self-inquiry-mode. THE EYE THING - Keeping eye contact with the other person as long as possible. Whoever drops their gaze first is not as established in the Beloved. Some blinking is OK, but not too much. The deeper into the Self you are, the longer you can hold it. Used by many satsang teachers. One of my friends can out-stare anyone. He kinds of drops into a Candidiasis-mind-fog, and hours can go by. Yifu Xero, this is good stuff. If you have the time and the inclination, I'd appreciate it if you'd listen to some of my recent interviews on htt://batgap.com - perhaps Ted Strauss, James Swartz, and James Braha - particularly the latter two - and see if you can offer me any advice in how do deal with this neo-Advaita issue. Actually, it looks like Tim Conway's page - http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/neo-advaita.html - to which you linked, covers it nicely, so maybe you don't need to bother. I'll read that, and I'll be interviewing Tim on July 7 and get into the issue with him. I'll have to contact Greg Goode too. Thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis
Writing about these satsang conceits was inspired by several years of close observation of the zoological type satsangus teacheritis Rick Archer: ...you can offer me any advice in how do deal with this neo-Advaita issue. Apparently Amma is a Neo-Advaitin, you could start there, Rick. Jivanmukti is not something to be attained after death, nor is it to be experienced or bestowed upon you in another world. It is a state of perfect awareness and equanimity, which can be experienced here and now in this world, while living in the body. - Amma
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis
Duveyoung: I too have been disappointed in how others glom onto Advaita concepts in the manners listed below. It sucks. So, Amma, Poonja, Nisargadatta, and Balsekar, suck. Read more: 'Back to the Truth: 5000 years of Advaita' by Dennis Waite O Books, 2007
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Yifu Xero, this is good stuff. If you have the time and the inclination, I'd appreciate it if you'd listen to some of my recent interviews on htt://batgap.com - perhaps Ted Strauss, James Swartz, and James Braha - particularly the latter two - and see if you can offer me any advice in how do deal with this neo-Advaita issue. Since BATGAP has a strong Waking Down presence, and you're interested in dealing with neo-advaita, you might consider interviewing Krishna Gauci, who was a teacher in the Papaji lineage before getting involved with Waking Down, having his Waking Down brand Second Birth Awakening, and ultimately becoming a Waking Down teacher.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 1:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote: Yifu Xero, this is good stuff. If you have the time and the inclination, I'd appreciate it if you'd listen to some of my recent interviews on htt://batgap.com - perhaps Ted Strauss, James Swartz, and James Braha - particularly the latter two - and see if you can offer me any advice in how do deal with this neo-Advaita issue. Since BATGAP has a strong Waking Down presence, and you're interested in dealing with neo-advaita, you might consider interviewing Krishna Gauci, who was a teacher in the Papaji lineage before getting involved with Waking Down, having his Waking Down brand Second Birth Awakening, and ultimately becoming a Waking Down teacher. Thanks, I added him to the list. You're still on that list, BTW, with a sort of back burner status. Let me know if you ever want to move to the front burner.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis
No. You're confusing the issues. Advaita is a state, if one wants to use the word state; at least, lt's a Realization. Neo-Advaita is a projection into the world, a teaching strategy, filled with fallacies, idiosynchronies, and urban Myths; based on various precedents such as Papaji, all designed to artificially elevate one's position as a grand Teacher while demeaning the student. Amma has none of the attributes listed in the website. Neo-Advaita is a collection of projections of teaching methods and statements, coupled with various demeanors. Typical example: ... Student: I was diagnosed with cancer and am going to die in one month. Neo-Advaitin teacher: So,.this is your oryyy. ... The word story has to be long and drawn out, as if one could fit a whole personal history in the space between s and y from birth to death. But the Neo-Advaitic teacher supposedly has no Story.(???) ... Karumamayi never demeans people in such a way. She's Self-Realized and therefore an Advaitin, but not a Neo or Pseudo Advaitin. ... AGain, check out the website. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: Writing about these satsang conceits was inspired by several years of close observation of the zoological type satsangus teacheritis Rick Archer: ...you can offer me any advice in how do deal with this neo-Advaita issue. Apparently Amma is a Neo-Advaitin, you could start there, Rick. Jivanmukti is not something to be attained after death, nor is it to be experienced or bestowed upon you in another world. It is a state of perfect awareness and equanimity, which can be experienced here and now in this world, while living in the body. - Amma
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis
To begin with, (just my take) in ignorance of the Self, people are concerned with projections onto the blank screen of Being without knowledge (Gnosis) of Being. In Neo-Advaita, they have a blank screen but the projections (story) are supposedly reduced to non-importance or worse yet, non-existence and denial. But (imo), this is only a transitional zone in which people may (if they don't fall into the last snare of Maya - which is that Nothingness is the only reality worth considering); that their blank HOLODECK (the blank arena in Star Trek where programs project an artificial reality into the room) can be repopulated with various images; thus: Ramakrishna - continues with his devotion to Kali Ramana Maharshi - continues with his devotion to Arunachala Shiva ... These types of devotional projections or stories would be disallowed in Neo-Advaita. ... But the mistaken notion that one cannot have a story is a Neo-Advaitic Urban Myth, probably started by HWL Poonja. ... As long as people are embodied, they have stories. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Yifu Xero, this is good stuff. If you have the time and the inclination, I'd appreciate it if you'd listen to some of my recent interviews on htt://batgap.com - perhaps Ted Strauss, James Swartz, and James Braha - particularly the latter two - and see if you can offer me any advice in how do deal with this neo-Advaita issue. Since BATGAP has a strong Waking Down presence, and you're interested in dealing with neo-advaita, you might consider interviewing Krishna Gauci, who was a teacher in the Papaji lineage before getting involved with Waking Down, having his Waking Down brand Second Birth Awakening, and ultimately becoming a Waking Down teacher.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Yifu Xero, this is good stuff. If you have the time and the inclination, I'd appreciate it if you'd listen to some of my recent interviews on htt://batgap.com - perhaps Ted Strauss, James Swartz, and James Braha - particularly the latter two - and see if you can offer me any advice in how do deal with this neo-Advaita issue. Since BATGAP has a strong Waking Down presence, and you're interested in dealing with neo-advaita, you might consider interviewing Krishna Gauci, who was a teacher in the Papaji lineage before getting involved with Waking Down, having his Waking Down brand Second Birth Awakening, and ultimately becoming a Waking Down teacher. In other words chaos. The contribution of Rick Archer to this modern age.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 2:37 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Yifu Xero, this is good stuff. If you have the time and the inclination, I'd appreciate it if you'd listen to some of my recent interviews on htt://batgap.com - perhaps Ted Strauss, James Swartz, and James Braha - particularly the latter two - and see if you can offer me any advice in how do deal with this neo-Advaita issue. Since BATGAP has a strong Waking Down presence, and you're interested in dealing with neo-advaita, you might consider interviewing Krishna Gauci, who was a teacher in the Papaji lineage before getting involved with Waking Down, having his Waking Down brand Second Birth Awakening, and ultimately becoming a Waking Down teacher. In other words chaos. The contribution of Rick Archer to this modern age. I'm not a Waking Down person, but I have a lot of respect for friends and acquaintances who are. Since you sound like you have a lot of familiarity with that group, Nabby, please tell us why you would characterize them as chaotic.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis
In other words chaos. Rick Archer: please tell us why you would characterize them as chaotic. Because they are Neo-Advaitans like Amma, Poonja, Nisargadatta, and Balsekar?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 2:37 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Yifu Xero, this is good stuff. If you have the time and the inclination, I'd appreciate it if you'd listen to some of my recent interviews on htt://batgap.com - perhaps Ted Strauss, James Swartz, and James Braha - particularly the latter two - and see if you can offer me any advice in how do deal with this neo-Advaita issue. Since BATGAP has a strong Waking Down presence, and you're interested in dealing with neo-advaita, you might consider interviewing Krishna Gauci, who was a teacher in the Papaji lineage before getting involved with Waking Down, having his Waking Down brand Second Birth Awakening, and ultimately becoming a Waking Down teacher. In other words chaos. The contribution of Rick Archer to this modern age. I'm not a Waking Down person, but I have a lot of respect for friends and acquaintances who are. Since you sound like you have a lot of familiarity with that group, Nabby, please tell us why you would characterize them as chaotic. Simly closely read the post above and you'll see why it is chaotic.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 3:13 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis Since BATGAP has a strong Waking Down presence, and you're interested in dealing with neo-advaita, you might consider interviewing Krishna Gauci, who was a teacher in the Papaji lineage before getting involved with Waking Down, having his Waking Down brand Second Birth Awakening, and ultimately becoming a Waking Down teacher. In other words chaos. The contribution of Rick Archer to this modern age. I'm not a Waking Down person, but I have a lot of respect for friends and acquaintances who are. Since you sound like you have a lot of familiarity with that group, Nabby, please tell us why you would characterize them as chaotic. Simly closely read the post above and you'll see why it is chaotic. Sorry. I don't get it. Perhaps if you define simly closely.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 3:13 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis Since BATGAP has a strong Waking Down presence, and you're interested in dealing with neo-advaita, you might consider interviewing Krishna Gauci, who was a teacher in the Papaji lineage before getting involved with Waking Down, having his Waking Down brand Second Birth Awakening, and ultimately becoming a Waking Down teacher. In other words chaos. The contribution of Rick Archer to this modern age. I'm not a Waking Down person, but I have a lot of respect for friends and acquaintances who are. Since you sound like you have a lot of familiarity with that group, Nabby, please tell us why you would characterize them as chaotic. Simly closely read the post above and you'll see why it is chaotic. Sorry. I don't get it. Perhaps if you define simly closely. Add a p, it's as simple a that for most people. Rick, do you really want to be on Ophrah with this batgap nonsense ? Ofcourse you do since you'r a fool.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Neo-Advaita disease - Satsangus teacheritis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: Sorry. I don't get it. Perhaps if you define simly closely. Add a p; it's as simple as that for most people, but obviously not for you. Do you really want to be on Ophrah with this batgap nonsense ? Your foolishess knows no bounds.
