[FairfieldLife] Re: The Tragedy Of Knowledge: Equating Wealth With Evolution - redux
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posted this last week, and noticed that none of the self-appointed arbiters of what is truth and what is lies on FFL replied to it. Following the guideline asserted so often by one of these arbiters that says that non-response to one of her posts indicates agreement with it, Um, actually that is *not* an assertion I often make (Barry's lying again); and I don't believe, on those few occasions when I have made it, that I've made it in some absolute sense, as opposed to referring to a specific occasion. I'm assuming that's the case with this post, and thus wanted to thank her for her support and approval. But if *Barry* wants to adopt the assertion as an absolute, I can dig up hundreds, if not thousands, of things I've said in posts that, on this basis, we must conclude Barry agrees with, since he never responded to them. In other words, Barry's claim is what's known as a double-edged sword. (Do they sell Band-Aids in Sitges? He might want to stock up.) Whaddya think, Barry, shall I do that? They'd include, for example, almost all the times I've pointed out that you were lying. I'm very encouraged by this development; it now appears, as I hopefully suggested in a previous post this morning, that Barry really has made a breakthrough concerning his chronic dishonesty, hypocrisy, and general phoniness. We may be on the verge of seeing the *real* Barry Wright. As I said, it looks as though the Maharishi Effect is indeed working. Jai Guru Dev! (Of course, this conclusion all depends on whether Barry responds to this post by denying that he has decided to 'fess up about his dishonesty, etc., and plans to continue to be a liar, hypocrite, and phony. If he does, all bets are off.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Tragedy Of Knowledge: Equating Wealth With Evolution - redux
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What it *did* inspire in me was a series of ruminations about What Went Wrong With The TM Movement. There's nothing wrong with some rumination, but real ruminants actually finish ruminating on the same batch of material, dump a load of manure, and move on to greener pasture. Jeez, Barry, you've been ruminating on the same TM material for what, 12 years now? Is there no end to it? Or are you just going to keep doing the same shit, different day routine ad infinitum?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Tragedy Of Knowledge: Equating Wealth With Evolution - redux
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: What it *did* inspire in me was a series of ruminations about What Went Wrong With The TM Movement. There's nothing wrong with some rumination, but real ruminants actually finish ruminating on the same batch of material, dump a load of manure, and move on to greener pasture. Jeez, Barry, you've been ruminating on the same TM material for what, 12 years now? Is there no end to it? Or are you just going to keep doing the same shit, different day routine ad infinitum? Actually, this was different shit. I hadn't posted before about Maharishi's obsession with money being the *specific* root cause of pretty much everything that's wrong with the TM organization. I think it is. I was just surprised that no one -- even the TBs -- seemed to disagree with the premise. I mean, even Her You're-A-Liarness is avoiding dealing with the subject. What's UP with that? I'm beginning to think she's afraid that she'll have to agree with me. Just to present some balance, it's the thing that fucked up the Rama trip, too. And so many other spir- itual movements. I'm beginning to believe that there was a good reason that some religions made it impossible for their priests or rabbis to even *touch* money, or be associated with it in any way. The minute they do, things seem to start going to hell in a handbasket. Let's phrase it a different way. Is there ANYONE here who believes that how much money you have is a valid indicator of your spiritual evolution? Anyone? If not, why did you put up with a movement that was structured around that idea for so many years?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Tragedy Of Knowledge: Equating Wealth With Evolution - redux
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: What it *did* inspire in me was a series of ruminations about What Went Wrong With The TM Movement. There's nothing wrong with some rumination, but real ruminants actually finish ruminating on the same batch of material, dump a load of manure, and move on to greener pasture. Jeez, Barry, you've been ruminating on the same TM material for what, 12 years now? Is there no end to it? Or are you just going to keep doing the same shit, different day routine ad infinitum? Actually, this was different shit. I hadn't posted before about Maharishi's obsession with money being the *specific* root cause of pretty much everything that's wrong with the TM organization. I think it is. I was just surprised that no one -- even the TBs -- seemed to disagree with the premise. Yawn. Gee, Barry, maybe because there are probably 5,000 posts in the archive of this forum that already dealt with the subject and it really isn't worth anyone's time to respond to the same observation from a Johnny-come-lately? I mean, even Her You're-A-Liarness is avoiding dealing with the subject. What's UP with that? I'm beginning to think she's afraid that she'll have to agree with me. Just to present some balance, it's the thing that fucked up the Rama trip, too. Hey, since you're so into honesty, Mr. Cool, why not call the Rama trip what it was: your involvement in a cult. If TM is/was a cult, then your involvement of many years with this Rama character was triple or quadruple cult. Indeed, it was such a powerful cult influence on you that TO THIS DAY you actually believe that you witnessed levitation by the guy. Do you not understand, Barry, that you did NOT -- I repeat did NOT -- see actual levitation despite your continual insistance that you had? You are the #1 victim on this forum of a cult and yet you'd like us to believe that you're above this sort of thing when, in reality, you still haven't overcome the Rama cult's influence on you DESPITE YOUR BEING AWAY FROM IT FOR DECADES! You need to contact a deprogrammer. If you like I can contact one on the internet on your behalf. Tell me, Barry, what do you think the deprogrammer would say when I inform him that I have a correspondent who actually believes in levitation and claims to have witnessed his cult guru having done it on dozens of occasions? I suspect that he will email me back telling me that he will take you on as a client sight unseen because you are obviously still suffering from the throes of cult brainwashing if you still believe such nonsense decades after being in contact with the cult guru. And, of course, if I inform him that the cult guru committed suicide well that will get you put onto the priority list for treatment. All of the things you smugly sneer at from your on-highness perch, as you do on a daily basis on this forum, Barry, are actually things that you are the most guilty of yourself. You, more than anyone, is an example of the effects of being in a cult. Although Nabby claims to have seen levitation, his observations at least are of the hopping 10 feet variety, not the hovering delusion that you insist you saw. Nabby can be dismissed as a bliss ninny schmuck, the type we've all seen one too many times. But you, hey, you need to be deprogrammed, and fast. Shall I contact a deprogrammer for you? I can certainly do that and, with your permission, share the email correspondence with this forum... And so many other spir- itual movements. I'm beginning to believe that there was a good reason that some religions made it impossible for their priests or rabbis to even *touch* money, or be associated with it in any way. The minute they do, things seem to start going to hell in a handbasket. Let's phrase it a different way. Is there ANYONE here who believes that how much money you have is a valid indicator of your spiritual evolution? Anyone? If not, why did you put up with a movement that was structured around that idea for so many years?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Tragedy Of Knowledge: Equating Wealth With Evolution - redux
Barry, As we found last week, you have the tendency to make assumptions without any evidence. For all of your accusations, you need to point out what evidence do you have? You should show the names, time, location and amount of money. Also, you should indicate your sources. Further, you need to present the criteria of all your accusations, such as laws or principles that are being violated. If you cannot present any of these necessary evidence and criteria, your accusations are baseless and amount to irrelevant rants indicating rash judgements and biases. JR --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posted this last week, and noticed that none of the self-appointed arbiters of what is truth and what is lies on FFL replied to it. Following the guideline asserted so often by one of these arbiters that says that non-response to one of her posts indicates agreement with it, I'm assuming that's the case with this post, and thus wanted to thank her for her support and approval. Onwards and upwards. I shall endeavor to make more posts about TM, Maharishi and the TMO in the future that even the TBs agree with. ** John's recent post attempting to equate the story of this Brazilian millionaire with meditation being a good thing that creates 'cosmic efficiency' failed to inspire me. What it *did* inspire in me was a series of ruminations about What Went Wrong With The TM Movement. What *happened* to turn it from a meditation movement with promise into the world- wide laughingstock and parody of spirituality it is today? I think that a large part of the answer lies in Maharishi's fascination with and worship of money, and creating an environment in which his students were taught to worship money as well. Look at the baseline myth underlying TM -- it's supposedly a set of teachings descended from a guy so holy that he lived a life of poverty in the forests of India and had to be dragged kicking and screaming *out* of the forests and into the position of Shankaracharya. Now look at Maharishi and what he did with those teachings. He created an environment in which: * Those with the most money have the most power and influence. * Those with the most money got the most attention from him and got special privileges, including get- ting to dress up in silly costumes and pretend to be the 'Rajas' of an imagainary country. * Those with a little less money can be on Purusha or Mother Divine and have their own personal ser- vants to wait on them hand and foot, while being regarded as significantly better than the rank and file (those who...ugh...work for a living). * The achievements of the TM movement tend to be measured in terms of how many gaudy, ostentatious palaces and phalluses it can build. * The teachings *themselves* became progressively more expensive and out of the reach of ordinary people who make an ordinary living. The pinnacle of this was probably the enlightenment course, which promised enlightenment for a million dollars and didn't deliver. * Who gets held up as role models for what it is to be a good student of enlightenment in the TMO? The people who are richest and who give the most money to Maharishi, that's who. (Or those who are the most famous and whom he could use for publicity purposes to raise more money.) * Who gets the prime seats at any function and got to actually sit in the same room with Maharishi towards the end? Only the rich. I'm sorry, but there is a CLEAR teaching going on here, and it's such a *pervasive* teaching that people like John don't even realize that they've bought into it and accepted it as if it were true and valuable. That teaching is: Being wealthy equates to being spiritually evolved. Giving lots of that wealth to Maharishi equates to being even more spiritually evolved. And an extraordinary number of people seem to have bought this teaching hook, line, and sinker. They don't even *question* it. FORGET Maharishi's early talk on the tragedy of knowledge in which the essence of the pathway to enlightenment is lost over generations when no more enlightened teachers are left in the tradition to embody it. That's not the real tragedy. The real tragedy of knowledge is a teacher so stupid as to have missed the whole *point* of his own teacher's lifestyle and values and example, so stupid as to have come to believe that the only thing that matters in the quest for enlightenment is money -- the more money the better. THAT is a real tragedy. For the teacher himself, and for all of his students.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Tragedy Of Knowledge: Equating Wealth With Evolution - redux
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Let's phrase it a different way. Is there ANYONE here who believes that how much money you have is a valid indicator of your spiritual evolution? Anyone? If not, why did you put up with a movement that was structured around that idea for so many years? How long did you say you were with the movement, Barry?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Tragedy Of Knowledge: Equating Wealth With Evolution - redux
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry, As we found last week... The only people entitled to refer to themselves as 'we' are kings, editors, and people with tapeworms. -- Mark Twain ...you have the tendency to make assumptions without any evidence. For all of your accusations, you need to point out what evidence do you have? You should show the names, time, location and amount of money. Also, you should indicate your sources. With all due lack of respect, I don't need to do shit. I merely stated things that would be obvious to anyone who had spent any time in the TM movement and paid attention. Sorry that you haven't. If you don't like my opinions, present one of your own. I have no need to defend mine.
