[FairfieldLife] Re: [sorry] iPhone-killer??

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote:


 http://wmpoweruser.com/nokia-lumia-800-also-a-bestseller-on-3-uk/


OMG , LOL!
http://www.wpcentral.com/nokia-lumia-800-top-selling-phone-expansys
http://www.wpcentral.com/nokia-lumia-800-top-selling-phone-expansys 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apple iPhone Sucks-Venting

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

  Peter wrote:
  Well, I finally got iTunes to load on my Windows XP platform. 
Got  
  some cool apps and some music. Went to download it to my 
iPhone.  
  It asked me if I wanted to upgrade to iPhone software 2.2 (was  
  running 2.00). Sure, why not? Huge mistake. The download 
crashed  
  the phone. Had to recover it and of course all media was 
erased.  
  Now its constantly crashing when I try to call and the on 
screen  
  slider controls don't work. This is crazy. I've spent hours 
every  
  night trying to get this thing to work. Its a fucking phone, 
not a  
  God damned rocket ship!
 
  If it wasn't a gift, I'd return the idiotic thing. I forgot 
what a  
  crappy company Apple was. I knew there was a good reason why I  
  switched to a PC platform so many years back. Fuck Apple, fuck  
  Steve Jobs that fucking genius prick, fuck everybody and  
  everything...Happy New Year!
 
 
 Unfortunately for your rant, the problem doesn't lie with Mr. 
Jobs,  
 but Mr. Gates and Mr. Balmer. On the Mac operating system, 
installs  
 and upgrades work flawlessly, as does the phone. Your problem 
lies  
 with your Windows Ex Pee, not the creator of your phone. :-)

exactly right-- just as your many problems lie with Buddhism and not 
TM. glad you almost figured that out.

so now you are both a fundamentalist buddhist, and apple zealot. 

anyone who has anything to do with software integration for the last 
twenty years, except you apparently, knows that if you market a 
product to work with windows products, it should work, end of story. 

a good friend of mine cannot download pictures from her camera onto 
her mac, so it is not that apple is flawless, they just don't do a 
great job of integrating with other formats sometimes.

same problem as you thinking buddhism all good (despite the dalai 
lama encouraging the destruction of Tibet), and TM all bad- problems 
with an effortless technique, perhaps? anyway, nothing in the 
relative is perfect my little buddha boy, even you.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apple iPhone Sucks-Venting

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote:

 
 
 --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
 From: Vaj vajradh...@...
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Apple iPhone Sucks-Venting
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 7:36 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Peter wrote: Well, I finally got iTunes to load on my Windows XP
platform. Got some cool apps and some music. Went to download it to my
iPhone. It asked me if I wanted to upgrade to iPhone software 2.2 (was
running 2.00). Sure, why not? Huge mistake. The download crashed the
phone. Had to recover it and of course all media was erased. Now its
constantly crashing when I try to call and the on screen slider
controls don't work. This is crazy. I've spent hours every night
trying to get this thing to work. Its a fucking phone, not a God
damned rocket ship! 
  If it wasn't a gift, I'd return the idiotic thing. I forgot what a
crappy company Apple was. I knew there was a good reason why I
switched to a PC platform so many years back. Fuck Apple, fuck Steve
Jobs that fucking genius prick, fuck everybody and everything...Happy
New Year! 
  
 Unfortunately for your rant, the problem doesn't lie with Mr. Jobs,
but Mr. Gates and Mr. Balmer. On the Mac operating system, installs
and upgrades work flawlessly, as does the phone. Your problem lies
with your Windows Ex Pee, not the creator of your phone. :-)
 
 Damn! I want to blame someone other than me and my friend, Ex Pee!

  I guess I might be one of the everybodys  here and, am curious about
the above rant.
  Although it would have been common in one of the books by R.
Marcenko, it seems that for a man of letters and great literary
potential, something a bit more polished might have turned up.
  -- a useless individual of uncertain lineage.
  -- Please observe the mistletoe at the rear of my belt.
  -- etc,
 I am not a man of letters but, rather of lumps from the school of
hard knocks just trying to be helpful.  N.

[FairfieldLife] Re: New iPhone sucks?

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Based on some comments I've read got the impression
 that the new iPhone is more unreliable than the previous
 model, especially as to 3g connections.


Compare iPhone with, say, this:

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i8510_innov8-review-269p4.php

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[Bhairitu]

sparaig wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Oh well, fuck it. I'm all hooked up with more minutes then I'll ever use, my 
 wife has the whole  bloody internet on her phone. Best thing about it is 
 this proggy i got called, 'the ringtone maker' which allows you to make all 
 your own ringtones. it rocks and i have some weird ringtones boie, best 
 thing is doing my ordering while i'm cooking. i used to have to sit at a 
 desk, or more like, stand at a bar ;)
 

 As far as I know, the iPhone has the best implementation of the internet of 
 any cell phone. 
 The big complaint right now is about how good flash player support is...


   
So you have one already?  IOW, you don't know very far.  :)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[Bhairitu]

off_world_beings wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Jobs also announced they are taking the word computer out of 
 
 their 
   
 names so instead of Apple Computer it will be Apple Inc.   Wonder 
 
 how long before they take computers out their product line?


 Not long I hope !
 I have to teach graphic design on that sh!t. They keep freezing and 
 glitching. PC's work great. (And I used nothing but Macs for over a 
 decade)

 OffWorld

   
Most artsy types I know especially musicians that have Macs are computer 
phobic.   But their are artsy types that look at their bottom line a 
little more closely and decide not to pay the extra for the fancy Apple 
logo and get just as much done.  :)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[Bhairitu]

Alex Stanley wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Steve Job's announced earlier today.

 The iPhone

 This is a day I've been looking forward to for two and a half  
 years, said Jobs. Every once in a while a revolutionary product  
 comes along that changes everything.
 
 [snip]

 I don't doubt that the iPhone may be a truly great smartphone-class
 handset, but with the vast majority of the people I see using small
 clamshell phones, I just don't see people switching in droves to an
 expensive humongo clunker like that. 


   
It's the same mistake that Sony made with the PSP.  It is too clunky and 
too fragile.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[Bhairitu]

sparaig wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
 Steve Job's announced earlier today.



 The iPhone
   
 Is it based on MacOS X like the Apple TV is, I wonder? THAT would be a 
 scaleable product. 
 
 It's 
   
 basically a tablet PC/phone combo sans handwriting recognition, as far as I 
 can tell.

 

 And yes it is. Apple's apparently now got a scalable MacOS X that works from 
 iPhones to 
 servers.
More likely a form of Linux.  They probably already have built a version 
of Linux that looks like the MacOS.  They probably would have gone with 
Linux over Unix if SCO hadn't been scaring everyone.   And they would 
have a lot more companies developing apps for the Mac too.

Many consumer electronics devices like this start out with a small 
implementation of Linux running a prototype.  They may even ship this 
way and eventually everything is put into a chipset instead.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 off_world_beings wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:

  Jobs also announced they are taking the word computer out of 
  
  their 

  names so instead of Apple Computer it will be Apple Inc.   Wonder 
  
  how long before they take computers out their product line?
 
 
  Not long I hope !
  I have to teach graphic design on that sh!t. They keep freezing and 
  glitching. PC's work great. (And I used nothing but Macs for over a 
  decade)
 
  OffWorld
 

 Most artsy types I know especially musicians that have Macs are computer 
 phobic.   But their are artsy types that look at their bottom line a 
 little more closely and decide not to pay the extra for the fancy Apple 
 logo and get just as much done.  :)


Of course there are. What off-the-shelf computer costs less than a Mac PRo, 
assuming you 
need all the bells and whistles?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 sparaig wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:

  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
  
  Steve Job's announced earlier today.
 
 
 
  The iPhone

  Is it based on MacOS X like the Apple TV is, I wonder? THAT would be a 
  scaleable 
product. 
  
  It's 

  basically a tablet PC/phone combo sans handwriting recognition, as far as 
  I can tell.
 
  
 
  And yes it is. Apple's apparently now got a scalable MacOS X that works 
  from iPhones 
to 
  servers.
 More likely a form of Linux.  They probably already have built a version 
 of Linux that looks like the MacOS.  They probably would have gone with 
 Linux over Unix if SCO hadn't been scaring everyone.   And they would 
 have a lot more companies developing apps for the Mac too.
 

How's that GPL for value-added stuff linked to the libraries?

 Many consumer electronics devices like this start out with a small 
 implementation of Linux running a prototype.  They may even ship this 
 way and eventually everything is put into a chipset instead.


So you think it's really Linux even though Jobs explicitly claimed it was MacOS 
X?

[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
 
  sparaig wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
   
   Steve Job's announced earlier today.
  
  
  
   The iPhone
 
   Is it based on MacOS X like the Apple TV is, I wonder? THAT 
would be a scaleable 
 product. 
   
   It's 
 
   basically a tablet PC/phone combo sans handwriting 
recognition, as far as I can tell.
  
   
  
   And yes it is. Apple's apparently now got a scalable MacOS X 
that works from iPhones 
 to 
   servers.
  More likely a form of Linux.  They probably already have built a 
version 
  of Linux that looks like the MacOS.  They probably would have 
gone with 
  Linux over Unix if SCO hadn't been scaring everyone.   And they 
would 
  have a lot more companies developing apps for the Mac too.
  
 
 How's that GPL for value-added stuff linked to the libraries?
 
  Many consumer electronics devices like this start out with a 
small 
  implementation of Linux running a prototype.  They may even ship 
this 
  way and eventually everything is put into a chipset instead.
 
 


 So you think it's really Linux even though Jobs explicitly claimed 
it was MacOS X?



**

The NYTimes tech columnist doesn't have any problem stating 
unequivocally that the Iphone software is Mac OS X-based:

http://www.nytimes.com/circuitsemail?8ciremc=cir

1. State of the Art: Apple Waves Its Wand at the Phone
==

Remember the fairy godmother in Cinderella? She'd wave her 
wand and turn some homely and utilitarian object, like a 
pumpkin or a mouse, into something glamorous and amazing, 
like a carriage or fully accessorized coachman.

Evidently, she lives in some back room at Apple.

Every time Steve Jobs spies some hopelessly ugly, complex 
machine that cries out for the Apple touch - computers, say, 
or music players - he lets her out.

At the annual Macworld Expo in San Francisco, Mr. Jobs 
demonstrated the latest result of godmother wand-waving. He 
granted the wishes of millions of Apple followers and 
rumormongers by turning the ordinary cellphone into ... the 
iPhone.

At the moment, the iPhone is in an advanced prototype stage, 
which I was allowed to play with for only an hour; the 
finished product won't be available in the United States 
until June, or in Europe until the fourth quarter. So this 
column is a preview, not a review. 

Already, though, one thing is clear: the name iPhone may be 
doing Apple a disservice. This machine is so packed with 
possibilities that the cellphone may actually be the least 
interesting part. 

As Mr. Jobs pointed out in his keynote presentation, the 
iPhone is at least three products merged into one: a phone, a 
wide-screen iPod and a wireless, touch-screen Internet 
communicator. That helps to explain its price: $499 or $599 
(with four or eight gigabytes of storage).

As you'd expect of Apple, the iPhone is gorgeous. Its face is 
shiny black, rimmed by mirror-finish stainless steel. The 
back is textured aluminum, interrupted only by the lens of a 
two-megapixel camera and a mirrored Apple logo. The phone is 
slightly taller and wider than a Palm Treo, but much thinner 
(4.5 by 2.4 by 0.46 inches).

You won't complain about too many buttons on this phone; it 
comes very close to having none at all. The front is 
dominated by a touch screen (320 by 480 pixels) operated by 
finger alone. The only physical buttons, in fact, are volume 
up/down, ringer on/off (hurrah!), sleep/wake and, beneath the 
screen, a Home button. 

The iPhone's beauty alone would be enough to prompt certain 
members of the iPod cult to dig for their credit cards. But 
its Mac OS X-based software makes it not so much a smartphone 
as something out of Minority Report.

Take the iPod features, for example. As on any iPod, 
scrolling through lists of songs and albums is a blast - but 
there's no scroll wheel. Instead, you flick your finger on 
the glass to send the list scrolling freely, according to the 
speed of your flick. The scrolling spins slowly to a stop, as 
though by its own inertia. The effect is both spectacular and 
practical, because as the scrolling slows, you can see where 
you are before flicking again if necessary. 

The same flicking lets you flip through photos or album 
covers as though they're on a 3-D rack. All of this - photos, 
music collection, address book, podcasts, videos and so on - 
are synched to the iPhone from Apple's iTunes software 
running on a Mac or Windows PC, courtesy of the 
charging/synching dock that is included. 

Movies are especially satisfying on this iPod. That's partly 
because of the wide-screen orientation, and partly because 
the screen is so much bigger (3.5 inches) and sharper (160 
pixels per inch) than those on 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
 
  sparaig wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
   
   Steve Job's announced earlier today.
  
  
  
   The iPhone
 
   Is it based on MacOS X like the Apple TV is, I wonder? THAT would be a 
   scaleable 
 product. 
   
   It's 
 
   basically a tablet PC/phone combo sans handwriting recognition, as far 
   as I can 
tell.
  
   
  
   And yes it is. Apple's apparently now got a scalable MacOS X that works 
   from 
iPhones 
 to 
   servers.
  More likely a form of Linux.  They probably already have built a version 
  of Linux that looks like the MacOS.  They probably would have gone with 
  Linux over Unix if SCO hadn't been scaring everyone.   And they would 
  have a lot more companies developing apps for the Mac too.
  
 
 How's that GPL for value-added stuff linked to the libraries?
 
  Many consumer electronics devices like this start out with a small 
  implementation of Linux running a prototype.  They may even ship this 
  way and eventually everything is put into a chipset instead.
 
 
 So you think it's really Linux even though Jobs explicitly claimed it was 
 MacOS X?


Actually, the iPhone may be running on an ARM processor, so it COULD be Linux 
under the 
hood, but would imply that Apple has ported a substantial portion of the MacOS 
X stuff to 
a non-FreeBSD kernel.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
  
   sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
 wrote:
  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:

Steve Job's announced earlier today.
   
   
   
The iPhone
  
Is it based on MacOS X like the Apple TV is, I wonder? THAT 
 would be a scaleable 
  product. 

It's 
  
basically a tablet PC/phone combo sans handwriting 
 recognition, as far as I can tell.
   

   
And yes it is. Apple's apparently now got a scalable MacOS X 
 that works from iPhones 
  to 
servers.
   More likely a form of Linux.  They probably already have built a 
 version 
   of Linux that looks like the MacOS.  They probably would have 
 gone with 
   Linux over Unix if SCO hadn't been scaring everyone.   And they 
 would 
   have a lot more companies developing apps for the Mac too.
   
  
  How's that GPL for value-added stuff linked to the libraries?
  
   Many consumer electronics devices like this start out with a 
 small 
   implementation of Linux running a prototype.  They may even ship 
 this 
   way and eventually everything is put into a chipset instead.
  
  
 
 
  So you think it's really Linux even though Jobs explicitly claimed 
 it was MacOS X?
 
 
 
 **
 
 The NYTimes tech columnist doesn't have any problem stating 
 unequivocally that the Iphone software is Mac OS X-based:
 
 http://www.nytimes.com/circuitsemail?8ciremc=cir
 

It's MacOS X, but is it FreeBSD UNIX? The helpd-wanted page for iPhone 
engieneers at 
apple is looking for someone with experience in MacOS X programming AND ARM 
(embedded processor) programming. As far as I know, there isn't a version of 
FreeBSD 
UNIX running on ARM processors, but I might be wrong.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
 It's MacOS X, but is it FreeBSD UNIX? The helpd-wanted page for iPhone 
 engieneers at 
 apple is looking for someone with experience in MacOS X programming AND ARM 
 (embedded processor) programming. As far as I know, there isn't a version of 
 FreeBSD 
 UNIX running on ARM processors, but I might be wrong.


Turns out there is. One assumes they would still use FreeBSD instead of Linux 
if it was 
available for that processor family

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[Vaj]

On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:11 PM, sparaig wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]


Yeah I was just telling a friend--it's really primarily for streaming
video the way we now stream audio to our stereos. Since Apple now has
Paramount movies online for 10 bucks--you can download a movie and
then stream it to your home theatre, on demand.



Anything that can be put into your iTunes library should be  
playable on iPhone or Apple TV.

That includes output from iMovie...


Which is essentially like a vPod (albeit with much less storage  
space) which you can actually use like a portable TiVo.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[Vaj]

On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:09 PM, sparaig wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Vaj wrote:


On Jan 9, 2007, at 7:24 PM, sparaig wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:


Steve Job's announced earlier today.



The iPhone


Is it based on MacOS X like the Apple TV is, I wonder? THAT  
would be

a scaleable product. It's
basically a tablet PC/phone combo sans handwriting recognition, as
far as I can tell.



Well, I think the appletv is going to be a flop. 40 gigs?  
Givemeabreak.
Especially if it did HD.  UPS dropped off one of these at my door  
today

so I've been playing with it.
http://www.silicondust.com/trac/wiki/products/hdhomerun

It took a bit of work but I finally got it working and recording  
on both

Windows and Linux.  Pretty cool!



It took a bit of work says it all.


I doubt this unit would allow you to stream DRM content, but maybe it  
can stream Microsoft DRM video files? It actually sounds more like a  
DVR to me.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[Bhairitu]

Vaj wrote:

 On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:09 PM, sparaig wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Vaj wrote:

 On Jan 9, 2007, at 7:24 PM, sparaig wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:

 Steve Job's announced earlier today.



 The iPhone

 Is it based on MacOS X like the Apple TV is, I wonder? THAT would be
 a scaleable product. It's
 basically a tablet PC/phone combo sans handwriting recognition, as
 far as I can tell.


 Well, I think the appletv is going to be a flop. 40 gigs? 
 Givemeabreak.
 Especially if it did HD.  UPS dropped off one of these at my door today
 so I've been playing with it.
 http://www.silicondust.com/trac/wiki/products/hdhomerun

 It took a bit of work but I finally got it working and recording on 
 both
 Windows and Linux.  Pretty cool!


 It took a bit of work says it all.

 I doubt this unit would allow you to stream DRM content, but maybe it 
 can stream Microsoft DRM video files? It actually sounds more like a 
 DVR to me.


It is a two-tuner box that lets you view or record ATSC signals which 
are the over-the-air (OTA) HDTV or QAM signals which is how cable 
distributes HDTV signals.  No you can't record encrypted signals like 
HBO, Showtime, etc.   I have a D-VHS deck for that content.   Of course 
cards and even external USB tuners have been available for some time for 
PCs and Macs.  What is different about this box is it streams over 
Ethernet, either your network or a crossover cable.  This means it works 
with Linux too as there are no QAM tuner cards that work with Linux.  It 
is also a small box which I can take with my laptop to record programs.

It's mainly a cool toy aimed at the geek market and home theater crowd.  
The Windows interface worked out of the box but it was the Linux one 
that took a little work.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Jan 9, 2007, at 9:11 PM, sparaig wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
  [...]
 
  Yeah I was just telling a friend--it's really primarily for streaming
  video the way we now stream audio to our stereos. Since Apple now has
  Paramount movies online for 10 bucks--you can download a movie and
  then stream it to your home theatre, on demand.
 
 
  Anything that can be put into your iTunes library should be  
  playable on iPhone or Apple TV.
  That includes output from iMovie...
 
 Which is essentially like a vPod (albeit with much less storage  
 space) which you can actually use like a portable TiVo.



vPod doesn't have wifi access, cell phone access, Edge access, and your 
standard iPod isn't 
running MacOS X (UNIX)...

[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[off_world_beings]

I'm not buying a phone until they invent one that can be implanted 
into the side of my head, and activated by thought alone.

OffWorld


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 someday i'll find someone i want to talk to on the phone
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 2:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The iPhone
 
 
  Vaj wrote:
  Steve Job's announced earlier today.
 
 
 
  The iPhone
 
  This is a day I've been looking forward to for two and a half 
years,
  said Jobs. Every once in a while a revolutionary product comes 
along
  that changes everything.
 
  In 1984, said Jobs, Apple introduced the Macintosh, and changed 
the
  computer industry. In 2001, Apple introduced the iPod, and 
changed the
  entire music industry.
 
  Well, today, we're introducing three revolutionary products of 
this
  class, said Jobs. The first one is a widescreen iPod with 
touch
  controls. The second is a revolutionary mobile phone. The third 
is a
  breakthrough Internet communications device.
 
  These are not three separate devices, said Jobs. This is one
  device. And we are calling it iPhone. Today Apple is going to 
reinvent
  the phone.
 
  Jobs explained that smartphones provide phone and e-mail and 
what he
  called the baby Internet. They're not so smart and not so easy 
to use.
 
  We don't want to do these, he said. We want to do a leapfrog
  product that's way smarter than these phones and much easier to 
use.
  So we're going to reinvent the phone.
 
  The iPhone does not use a keyboard, nor does it use a stylus, 
as many
  smartphones do today. The device uses new technology 
called Multitouch.
 
  We're going to use the best pointing device in our world, 
said Jobs.
  We're born with 10 of them, our fingers.
 
  Multitouch is far more accurate than any touch display, 
according to
  Jobs. It ignores unintended touches, supports multi-fingers 
gesture.
  And boy, have we patented it, he added.
 
  The iPhone runs Mac OS X, said Jobs. We start with a solid
  foundation, he explained.
 
  Why would we run such a sophisticated operating system on a 
mobile
  device? It's got everything we need, he said. It's got 
multitasking,
  networking, power management, awesome security and the right 
apps.
  It's got all the stuff we want. And it's built right in to 
iPhone. And
  has let us create desktop-class applications and networking.
 
  iPhone also synchronizes through iTunes. It syncs media, contact
  information, calendars, photos, notes, bookmarks, e-mail 
accounts.
  All that stuff can be moved over the iPhone completely
  automatically, said Jobs.
 
  The iPhone features a 3.5-inch, 160 dot-per-inch color screen. 
There's
  a small Home button it. It's also remarkably thin -- 11.6
  millimeters, thinner than any smartphone out there, according 
to Jobs.
 
  On one side, the iPhone sports a ring/silent switch, volume up 
and
  down controls. On its silver back side is a 2 megapixel digital
  camera. The bottom features a speaker, microphone and iPod dock
  connector.
 
  The iPhone also incorporates a proximity sensor that 
automatically
  deactivates the screen and turns off the touch sensor when you 
raise
  the device to your face. An ambient light sensor will sense 
lighting
  conditions and adjust brightness levels accordingly. And an
  accelerometer can tell when you switch from portrait to 
landscape mode.
 
  Jobs' demonstration of the iPhone began with iPod-related 
features. An
  iPod icon along the bottom of the screen brings up a list of 
music,
  and Jobs flicked his finger to scroll up and down. He flipped 
the
  iPhone on its side and it reoriented to landscape mode, 
displaying
  album art in iTunes' Cover Flow mode. Jobs also showed video 
on the
  device.
 
  We want to reinvent the phone, he reiterated. What's the 
killer
  app? The killer app is making calls! It's amazing how hard it 
is to
  make calls on phones. We want you to use contacts like never 
before.
 
  The iPhone can synchronize contacts from a PC or Mac, and 
features
  Visual Voicemail. He described it as random access 
voicemail that
  lets you navigate directly to the voice messages you're 
interested in.
 
  iPhone is a quad-band phone that operated on GSM and EDGE 
networks.
  That's the most popular international standard, said Jobs, 
though
  Apple plans to make 3G phones in the future. It also integrates 
Wi-Fi
  and Bluetooth 2.0 connectivity, and will automatically switch 
from a
  cell phone data network to Wi-Fi when it gets in range.
 
  Demonstrating the phone's ability to make calls, he touched the
  screen's phone icon and scrolled through his contact list, 
pulling up
  Jonathan Ive, senior vice president of industrial design. Phil
  Schiller then called Jobs -- visible through call waiting. Jobs
  pressed a merge calls button and then created a three way 
conference

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[llundrub]

Besides filling in the details about your personality what other benefit was 
there in that comment?


- Original Message - 
From: off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 3:16 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone


 I'm not buying a phone until they invent one that can be implanted
 into the side of my head, and activated by thought alone.

 OffWorld


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 someday i'll find someone i want to talk to on the phone


 - Original Message - 
 From: Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 2:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The iPhone


  Vaj wrote:
  Steve Job's announced earlier today.
 
 
 
  The iPhone
 
  This is a day I've been looking forward to for two and a half
 years,
  said Jobs. Every once in a while a revolutionary product comes
 along
  that changes everything.
 
  In 1984, said Jobs, Apple introduced the Macintosh, and changed
 the
  computer industry. In 2001, Apple introduced the iPod, and
 changed the
  entire music industry.
 
  Well, today, we're introducing three revolutionary products of
 this
  class, said Jobs. The first one is a widescreen iPod with
 touch
  controls. The second is a revolutionary mobile phone. The third
 is a
  breakthrough Internet communications device.
 
  These are not three separate devices, said Jobs. This is one
  device. And we are calling it iPhone. Today Apple is going to
 reinvent
  the phone.
 
  Jobs explained that smartphones provide phone and e-mail and
 what he
  called the baby Internet. They're not so smart and not so easy
 to use.
 
  We don't want to do these, he said. We want to do a leapfrog
  product that's way smarter than these phones and much easier to
 use.
  So we're going to reinvent the phone.
 
  The iPhone does not use a keyboard, nor does it use a stylus,
 as many
  smartphones do today. The device uses new technology
 called Multitouch.
 
  We're going to use the best pointing device in our world,
 said Jobs.
  We're born with 10 of them, our fingers.
 
  Multitouch is far more accurate than any touch display,
 according to
  Jobs. It ignores unintended touches, supports multi-fingers
 gesture.
  And boy, have we patented it, he added.
 
  The iPhone runs Mac OS X, said Jobs. We start with a solid
  foundation, he explained.
 
  Why would we run such a sophisticated operating system on a
 mobile
  device? It's got everything we need, he said. It's got
 multitasking,
  networking, power management, awesome security and the right
 apps.
  It's got all the stuff we want. And it's built right in to
 iPhone. And
  has let us create desktop-class applications and networking.
 
  iPhone also synchronizes through iTunes. It syncs media, contact
  information, calendars, photos, notes, bookmarks, e-mail
 accounts.
  All that stuff can be moved over the iPhone completely
  automatically, said Jobs.
 
  The iPhone features a 3.5-inch, 160 dot-per-inch color screen.
 There's
  a small Home button it. It's also remarkably thin -- 11.6
  millimeters, thinner than any smartphone out there, according
 to Jobs.
 
  On one side, the iPhone sports a ring/silent switch, volume up
 and
  down controls. On its silver back side is a 2 megapixel digital
  camera. The bottom features a speaker, microphone and iPod dock
  connector.
 
  The iPhone also incorporates a proximity sensor that
 automatically
  deactivates the screen and turns off the touch sensor when you
 raise
  the device to your face. An ambient light sensor will sense
 lighting
  conditions and adjust brightness levels accordingly. And an
  accelerometer can tell when you switch from portrait to
 landscape mode.
 
  Jobs' demonstration of the iPhone began with iPod-related
 features. An
  iPod icon along the bottom of the screen brings up a list of
 music,
  and Jobs flicked his finger to scroll up and down. He flipped
 the
  iPhone on its side and it reoriented to landscape mode,
 displaying
  album art in iTunes' Cover Flow mode. Jobs also showed video
 on the
  device.
 
  We want to reinvent the phone, he reiterated. What's the
 killer
  app? The killer app is making calls! It's amazing how hard it
 is to
  make calls on phones. We want you to use contacts like never
 before.
 
  The iPhone can synchronize contacts from a PC or Mac, and
 features
  Visual Voicemail. He described it as random access
 voicemail that
  lets you navigate directly to the voice messages you're
 interested in.
 
  iPhone is a quad-band phone that operated on GSM and EDGE
 networks.
  That's the most popular international standard, said Jobs,
 though
  Apple plans to make 3G phones in the future. It also integrates
 Wi-Fi
  and Bluetooth 2.0 connectivity, and will automatically switch
 from a
  cell phone data network to Wi-Fi when it gets in range.
 
  Demonstrating the phone's ability to make calls, he

[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Steve Job's announced earlier today.
 
 The iPhone
 
 This is a day I've been looking forward to for two and a half  
 years, said Jobs. Every once in a while a revolutionary product  
 comes along that changes everything.
[snip]

I don't doubt that the iPhone may be a truly great smartphone-class
handset, but with the vast majority of the people I see using small
clamshell phones, I just don't see people switching in droves to an
expensive humongo clunker like that. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[Bhairitu]

Gawd no!  We don't need embedded chips.  They'll be reading your mind 
and worse yet making you things you don't want to do and probably block 
any attempt to meditate.

off_world_beings wrote:
 I'm not buying a phone until they invent one that can be implanted 
 into the side of my head, and activated by thought alone.

 OffWorld


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   
 someday i'll find someone i want to talk to on the phone


 - Original Message - 
 From: Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 2:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The iPhone


 
 Vaj wrote:
   
 Steve Job's announced earlier today.



 The iPhone

 This is a day I've been looking forward to for two and a half 
 
 years,
   
 said Jobs. Every once in a while a revolutionary product comes 
 
 along
   
 that changes everything.

 In 1984, said Jobs, Apple introduced the Macintosh, and changed 
 
 the
   
 computer industry. In 2001, Apple introduced the iPod, and 
 
 changed the
   
 entire music industry.

 Well, today, we're introducing three revolutionary products of 
 
 this
   
 class, said Jobs. The first one is a widescreen iPod with 
 
 touch
   
 controls. The second is a revolutionary mobile phone. The third 
 
 is a
   
 breakthrough Internet communications device.

 These are not three separate devices, said Jobs. This is one
 device. And we are calling it iPhone. Today Apple is going to 
 
 reinvent
   
 the phone.

 Jobs explained that smartphones provide phone and e-mail and 
 
 what he
   
 called the baby Internet. They're not so smart and not so easy 
 
 to use.
   
 We don't want to do these, he said. We want to do a leapfrog
 product that's way smarter than these phones and much easier to 
 
 use.
   
 So we're going to reinvent the phone.

 The iPhone does not use a keyboard, nor does it use a stylus, 
 
 as many
   
 smartphones do today. The device uses new technology 
 
 called Multitouch.
   
 We're going to use the best pointing device in our world, 
 
 said Jobs.
   
 We're born with 10 of them, our fingers.

 Multitouch is far more accurate than any touch display, 
 
 according to
   
 Jobs. It ignores unintended touches, supports multi-fingers 
 
 gesture.
   
 And boy, have we patented it, he added.

 The iPhone runs Mac OS X, said Jobs. We start with a solid
 foundation, he explained.

 Why would we run such a sophisticated operating system on a 
 
 mobile
   
 device? It's got everything we need, he said. It's got 
 
 multitasking,
   
 networking, power management, awesome security and the right 
 
 apps.
   
 It's got all the stuff we want. And it's built right in to 
 
 iPhone. And
   
 has let us create desktop-class applications and networking.

 iPhone also synchronizes through iTunes. It syncs media, contact
 information, calendars, photos, notes, bookmarks, e-mail 
 
 accounts.
   
 All that stuff can be moved over the iPhone completely
 automatically, said Jobs.

 The iPhone features a 3.5-inch, 160 dot-per-inch color screen. 
 
 There's
   
 a small Home button it. It's also remarkably thin -- 11.6
 millimeters, thinner than any smartphone out there, according 
 
 to Jobs.
   
 On one side, the iPhone sports a ring/silent switch, volume up 
 
 and
   
 down controls. On its silver back side is a 2 megapixel digital
 camera. The bottom features a speaker, microphone and iPod dock
 connector.

 The iPhone also incorporates a proximity sensor that 
 
 automatically
   
 deactivates the screen and turns off the touch sensor when you 
 
 raise
   
 the device to your face. An ambient light sensor will sense 
 
 lighting
   
 conditions and adjust brightness levels accordingly. And an
 accelerometer can tell when you switch from portrait to 
 
 landscape mode.
   
 Jobs' demonstration of the iPhone began with iPod-related 
 
 features. An
   
 iPod icon along the bottom of the screen brings up a list of 
 
 music,
   
 and Jobs flicked his finger to scroll up and down. He flipped 
 
 the
   
 iPhone on its side and it reoriented to landscape mode, 
 
 displaying
   
 album art in iTunes' Cover Flow mode. Jobs also showed video 
 
 on the
   
 device.

 We want to reinvent the phone, he reiterated. What's the 
 
 killer
   
 app? The killer app is making calls! It's amazing how hard it 
 
 is to
   
 make calls on phones. We want you to use contacts like never 
 
 before.
   
 The iPhone can synchronize contacts from a PC or Mac, and 
 
 features
   
 Visual Voicemail. He described it as random access 
 
 voicemail that
   
 lets you navigate directly to the voice messages you're

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[Vaj]

On Jan 9, 2007, at 4:58 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Steve Job's announced earlier today.

The iPhone

This is a day I've been looking forward to for two and a half
years, said Jobs. Every once in a while a revolutionary product
comes along that changes everything.

[snip]

I don't doubt that the iPhone may be a truly great smartphone-class
handset, but with the vast majority of the people I see using small
clamshell phones, I just don't see people switching in droves to an
expensive humongo clunker like that.



We'll see. It looks rather svelt to me for what is essentially an  
iPod-PDA-phone. It will appeal to people who are into the iPod/vPod  
and use a cell phone it would seem.


I'm more impressed with the incredible new technologies in it. I  
still loathe being interrupted by the ring of any phone while driving  
or in public. It may be all the rage, but one I can live without.  
What I'd really like is the same thing, sans phone, with at last  
10-20 gigs of storage space! IOW all I want an iPod I can surf on,  
take pictures with, process them and email them on. It's interesting  
to me that technology is already catching up to Star Trek The Next  
Generation level technology. This is the best implementation of touch  
screen tech I've yet in the market. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[Vaj]

Exclusive country clubs in your area already chip their clients so  
they can have easy access without membership cards, etc.


Chips will likely first be implemented (in a widespread sense) in  
prisoners.


On Jan 9, 2007, at 5:01 PM, Bhairitu wrote:


Gawd no!  We don't need embedded chips.  They'll be reading your mind
and worse yet making you things you don't want to do and probably  
block

any attempt to meditate.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Steve Job's announced earlier today.
 
 
 
 The iPhone

Is it based on MacOS X like the Apple TV is, I wonder? THAT would be a 
scaleable product. It's 
basically a tablet PC/phone combo sans handwriting recognition, as far as I can 
tell.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Their Apple TV box is nothing new either as I've been doing that in 
 hi-def for 2 years.


That's basically a MacMini without a keyboard and with a bunch of extra I/O 
ports. The 
current graphics only supports standard iTune MPEG-4 (h264) but could easily be 
extended to support MPEG-4 Visual (the uber multi-media stuff we argued about 
previously).

iMovie already exports to the iTune format (h264) via QuickTime and I'm sure an 
export 
to iTunes menu will be available in the next upgrade. There's no reason 
editing of the 
higher-end stuff MPEG-4 media couldn't be added to iMovie at a later date. The 
OS of the 
Apple TV should be upgradable via your iTunes interface though I haven't seen 
the details.

MPEG-4 Visual aside, iTunes + Apple TV + iPhone are already all well-integrated 
and the 
new interface on the iPhone is quite nice. I would expect a future update to 
further 
integrate iPhone and Apple TV, supporting the use of the iPhone as the 
controller for 
Apple TV (iPhone has a two-input touch screen and includes a virtual  
touch-screen 
keyboard already). It's not possible with the first release (that I have 
heard), but using the 
iPhone as a microphone, and video-wifi integration via Apple TV and your TV 
set, should 
allow mutli-person video conference calls over the internet by next year if not 
sooner. 
Standard cell-phone audio-conference calls are already well-supported in iPhone 
of 
course and iChat software on the Mac supports video-conference chat via H264 
video 
right now.

Did you note that Apple *Computer* just changed its name? The desktop Mac is 
only one 
relatively small part of Apple's current business, and they are planning a slew 
of products 
centered around the Apple TV/iPhone integration thing. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jobs also announced they are taking the word computer out of 
their 
 names so instead of Apple Computer it will be Apple Inc.   Wonder 
how long before they take computers out their product line?


Not long I hope !
I have to teach graphic design on that sh!t. They keep freezing and 
glitching. PC's work great. (And I used nothing but Macs for over a 
decade)

OffWorld


 Vaj wrote:
  Steve Job's announced earlier today.
 
 
 
  The iPhone
 
  This is a day I've been looking forward to for two and a half 
years, 
  said Jobs. Every once in a while a revolutionary product comes 
along 
  that changes everything.
 
  In 1984, said Jobs, Apple introduced the Macintosh, and changed 
the 
  computer industry. In 2001, Apple introduced the iPod, and 
changed the 
  entire music industry.
 
  Well, today, we're introducing three revolutionary products of 
this 
  class, said Jobs. The first one is a widescreen iPod with 
touch 
  controls. The second is a revolutionary mobile phone. The third 
is a 
  breakthrough Internet communications device.
 
  These are not three separate devices, said Jobs. This is one 
  device. And we are calling it iPhone. Today Apple is going to 
reinvent 
  the phone.
 
  Jobs explained that smartphones provide phone and e-mail and 
what he 
  called the baby Internet. They're not so smart and not so easy 
to use.
 
  We don't want to do these, he said. We want to do a leapfrog 
  product that's way smarter than these phones and much easier to 
use. 
  So we're going to reinvent the phone.
 
  The iPhone does not use a keyboard, nor does it use a stylus, as 
many 
  smartphones do today. The device uses new technology 
called Multitouch.
 
  We're going to use the best pointing device in our world, said 
Jobs. 
  We're born with 10 of them, our fingers.
 
  Multitouch is far more accurate than any touch display, 
according to 
  Jobs. It ignores unintended touches, supports multi-fingers 
gesture. 
  And boy, have we patented it, he added.
 
  The iPhone runs Mac OS X, said Jobs. We start with a solid 
  foundation, he explained.
 
  Why would we run such a sophisticated operating system on a 
mobile 
  device? It's got everything we need, he said. It's got 
multitasking, 
  networking, power management, awesome security and the right 
apps. 
  It's got all the stuff we want. And it's built right in to 
iPhone. And 
  has let us create desktop-class applications and networking.
 
  iPhone also synchronizes through iTunes. It syncs media, contact 
  information, calendars, photos, notes, bookmarks, e-mail 
accounts. 
  All that stuff can be moved over the iPhone completely 
  automatically, said Jobs.
 
  The iPhone features a 3.5-inch, 160 dot-per-inch color screen. 
There's 
  a small Home button it. It's also remarkably thin -- 11.6 
  millimeters, thinner than any smartphone out there, according to 
Jobs.
 
  On one side, the iPhone sports a ring/silent switch, volume up 
and 
  down controls. On its silver back side is a 2 megapixel digital 
  camera. The bottom features a speaker, microphone and iPod dock 
  connector.
 
  The iPhone also incorporates a proximity sensor that 
automatically 
  deactivates the screen and turns off the touch sensor when you 
raise 
  the device to your face. An ambient light sensor will sense 
lighting 
  conditions and adjust brightness levels accordingly. And an 
  accelerometer can tell when you switch from portrait to 
landscape mode.
 
  Jobs' demonstration of the iPhone began with iPod-related 
features. An 
  iPod icon along the bottom of the screen brings up a list of 
music, 
  and Jobs flicked his finger to scroll up and down. He flipped 
the 
  iPhone on its side and it reoriented to landscape mode, 
displaying 
  album art in iTunes' Cover Flow mode. Jobs also showed video 
on the 
  device.
 
  We want to reinvent the phone, he reiterated. What's the 
killer 
  app? The killer app is making calls! It's amazing how hard it is 
to 
  make calls on phones. We want you to use contacts like never 
before.
 
  The iPhone can synchronize contacts from a PC or Mac, and 
features 
  Visual Voicemail. He described it as random access voicemail 
that 
  lets you navigate directly to the voice messages you're 
interested in.
 
  iPhone is a quad-band phone that operated on GSM and EDGE 
networks. 
  That's the most popular international standard, said Jobs, 
though 
  Apple plans to make 3G phones in the future. It also integrates 
Wi-Fi 
  and Bluetooth 2.0 connectivity, and will automatically switch 
from a 
  cell phone data network to Wi-Fi when it gets in range.
 
  Demonstrating the phone's ability to make calls, he touched the 
  screen's phone icon and scrolled through his contact list, 
pulling up 
  Jonathan Ive, senior vice president of industrial design. Phil 
  Schiller then called Jobs -- visible through call waiting. Jobs 
  pressed a merge calls button and 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 someday i'll find someone i want to talk to on the phone

http://www.apple.com/iphone/

Click on the colored icons on the right side of the web-page. It's quite kool 
in an overly 
expensive, yuppie sort of way.

Certainly, if I had the money, *I* would get one, and I generally detest cell 
phones.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I'm not buying a phone until they invent one that can be implanted 
 into the side of my head, and activated by thought alone.
 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_President's_Analyst

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[Vaj]

On Jan 9, 2007, at 7:24 PM, sparaig wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Steve Job's announced earlier today.



The iPhone


Is it based on MacOS X like the Apple TV is, I wonder? THAT would  
be a scaleable product. It's
basically a tablet PC/phone combo sans handwriting recognition, as  
far as I can tell.



Well, I think the appletv is going to be a flop. 40 gigs?  
Givemeabreak.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Gawd no!  We don't need embedded chips.  They'll be reading your 
mind 
 and worse yet making you do things you don't want to do


They are already in our heads. They are Borg. Resistance is futile.


 and probably block  any attempt to meditate.

Just like those darn sleepin' elephants !

OffWorld




 
 off_world_beings wrote:
  I'm not buying a phone until they invent one that can be 
implanted 
  into the side of my head, and activated by thought alone.
 
  OffWorld
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub llundrub@ 
  wrote:

  someday i'll find someone i want to talk to on the phone
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bhairitu noozguru@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 2:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The iPhone
 
 
  
  Vaj wrote:

  Steve Job's announced earlier today.
 
 
 
  The iPhone
 
  This is a day I've been looking forward to for two and a 
half 
  
  years,

  said Jobs. Every once in a while a revolutionary product 
comes 
  
  along

  that changes everything.
 
  In 1984, said Jobs, Apple introduced the Macintosh, and 
changed 
  
  the

  computer industry. In 2001, Apple introduced the iPod, and 
  
  changed the

  entire music industry.
 
  Well, today, we're introducing three revolutionary products 
of 
  
  this

  class, said Jobs. The first one is a widescreen iPod with 
  
  touch

  controls. The second is a revolutionary mobile phone. The 
third 
  
  is a

  breakthrough Internet communications device.
 
  These are not three separate devices, said Jobs. This is 
one
  device. And we are calling it iPhone. Today Apple is going to 
  
  reinvent

  the phone.
 
  Jobs explained that smartphones provide phone and e-mail and 
  
  what he

  called the baby Internet. They're not so smart and not so 
easy 
  
  to use.

  We don't want to do these, he said. We want to do a 
leapfrog
  product that's way smarter than these phones and much easier 
to 
  
  use.

  So we're going to reinvent the phone.
 
  The iPhone does not use a keyboard, nor does it use a stylus, 
  
  as many

  smartphones do today. The device uses new technology 
  
  called Multitouch.

  We're going to use the best pointing device in our world, 
  
  said Jobs.

  We're born with 10 of them, our fingers.
 
  Multitouch is far more accurate than any touch display, 
  
  according to

  Jobs. It ignores unintended touches, supports multi-fingers 
  
  gesture.

  And boy, have we patented it, he added.
 
  The iPhone runs Mac OS X, said Jobs. We start with a solid
  foundation, he explained.
 
  Why would we run such a sophisticated operating system on a 
  
  mobile

  device? It's got everything we need, he said. It's got 
  
  multitasking,

  networking, power management, awesome security and the right 
  
  apps.

  It's got all the stuff we want. And it's built right in to 
  
  iPhone. And

  has let us create desktop-class applications and networking.
 
  iPhone also synchronizes through iTunes. It syncs media, 
contact
  information, calendars, photos, notes, bookmarks, e-mail 
  
  accounts.

  All that stuff can be moved over the iPhone completely
  automatically, said Jobs.
 
  The iPhone features a 3.5-inch, 160 dot-per-inch color 
screen. 
  
  There's

  a small Home button it. It's also remarkably thin -- 11.6
  millimeters, thinner than any smartphone out there, according 
  
  to Jobs.

  On one side, the iPhone sports a ring/silent switch, volume 
up 
  
  and

  down controls. On its silver back side is a 2 megapixel 
digital
  camera. The bottom features a speaker, microphone and iPod 
dock
  connector.
 
  The iPhone also incorporates a proximity sensor that 
  
  automatically

  deactivates the screen and turns off the touch sensor when 
you 
  
  raise

  the device to your face. An ambient light sensor will sense 
  
  lighting

  conditions and adjust brightness levels accordingly. And an
  accelerometer can tell when you switch from portrait to 
  
  landscape mode.

  Jobs' demonstration of the iPhone began with iPod-related 
  
  features. An

  iPod icon along the bottom of the screen brings up a list of 
  
  music,

  and Jobs flicked his finger to scroll up and down. He flipped 
  
  the

  iPhone on its side and it reoriented to landscape mode, 
  
  displaying

  album art in iTunes' Cover Flow mode. Jobs also showed 
video 
  
  on the

  device.
 
  We want to reinvent the phone, he reiterated. What's the 
  
  killer

[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Jan 9, 2007, at 3:29 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
 
  Looks like it does about the same thing as Palm Treos and Windows  
  Mobile
  phones have done for years.
 
 It actually has 200 different patents behind it. If there is a phone  
 that runs on no buttons, I'd like to see it. What I'd really like to  
 see is some of these technologies appear on my home PC (esp. the  
 zooming feature). Actually the closest thing I've seen to the iPhone  
 is a Sony PSP.
 
 There's a lot you cannot see in still pictures. For example, it is an  
 iPod, but notice there is no wheel. Instead of a wheel, when you  
 finger gets close to the screen, the screen converts to iPod  
 controls. Same with the phone, the camera, the video display, etc.The  
 integration with Google Maps is rather cool. If you look closely,  
 you'll see what you're missing. This is similar to an Mac PC, most  
 people miss the fine details woven into it.

The touch screen allows 2 inputs at the same time. You can zoom in by touching 
it with 
two fingers and spreading them apart. You zoom out by moving your fingers 
closer 
together. Apple got a patent on the interface last year. It may or may not 
allow 2 finger 
hunt-and-peck with the VR typewriter. Did you notice that it is in the QWERTY 
format, at 
least by default?


 
 The new website is already up:
 
 http://www.apple.com/iphone/
 
 
 
  Their Apple TV box is nothing new either as I've been doing that in
  hi-def for 2 years.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
  Steve Job's announced earlier today.
  
  The iPhone
  
  This is a day I've been looking forward to for two and a half  
  years, said Jobs. Every once in a while a revolutionary product  
  comes along that changes everything.
 [snip]
 
 I don't doubt that the iPhone may be a truly great smartphone-class
 handset, but with the vast majority of the people I see using small
 clamshell phones, I just don't see people switching in droves to an
 expensive humongo clunker like that.


Never underestimate the RDF (reality distortion field) aka Steve Jobs.

It looks like it has an embedded version of MacOS X in it, just as the Apple TV 
does. This 
makes it VERY expandable and would allow all sorts of Newton-esque 
applications, if 
Apple chooses to go for them. You could, with VERY minor changtes, have a deep 
sea 
version that would alllow realtime podcast of video of your exploration of a 
sunken ship, 
for instance. A version to allow touch control of important equipment should be 
quite 
possible. Even trivial. The current version has a full 3.5 double-touch 
touch-screen in full 
color, with flippable vertical/landscape resolution. It looks like it 
auto-detects how its 
being looked at. It turns off the video screen if you hold it to your ear to 
use as a cell-
phone. It includes a VR typewriter that covers the entire screen. It apparently 
has a wi-fi 
connector for internet connectivity and integration with Apple TV (which in 
turn has a wi-fi 
broadcaster built-in). It has a 2 MByte camera built in. No doubt a video 
camera version is 
in the works since Apple's high-end web-cam, iSight, is no longer for sale. 
There's no GPS 
option currently, but given its UNIX under the hood, such a thing will be 
trivial to add.

The price tag is VERY high, but for just-gotta-have-it yuppies,  it will be the 
gadget du 
jour for a while. And as I said, the vertical market potential for it is unreal 
and Apple's 
name-change reflects that.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jobs also announced they are taking the word computer out of their 
 names so instead of Apple Computer it will be Apple Inc.   Wonder how 
 long before they take computers out their product line?

Not for a while since both the Apple TV and iPhone are Macs.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Jan 9, 2007, at 4:58 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
  Steve Job's announced earlier today.
 
  The iPhone
 
  This is a day I've been looking forward to for two and a half
  years, said Jobs. Every once in a while a revolutionary product
  comes along that changes everything.
  [snip]
 
  I don't doubt that the iPhone may be a truly great smartphone-class
  handset, but with the vast majority of the people I see using small
  clamshell phones, I just don't see people switching in droves to an
  expensive humongo clunker like that.
 
 
 We'll see. It looks rather svelt to me for what is essentially an  
 iPod-PDA-phone. It will appeal to people who are into the iPod/vPod  
 and use a cell phone it would seem.
 
 I'm more impressed with the incredible new technologies in it. I  
 still loathe being interrupted by the ring of any phone while driving  
 or in public. It may be all the rage, but one I can live without.  
 What I'd really like is the same thing, sans phone, with at last  
 10-20 gigs of storage space! IOW all I want an iPod I can surf on,  
 take pictures with, process them and email them on. It's interesting  
 to me that technology is already catching up to Star Trek The Next  
 Generation level technology. This is the best implementation of touch  
 screen tech I've yet in the market.


That's what the iPhone IS, excpt it comes with a cell-phone connector AS WELL 
AS (as far 
as I can tell) a wifi connector. More accurately, it's a tiny Mac with a custom 
iTunes 
interface and a built-in cellphone.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Oh well, fuck it. I'm all hooked up with more minutes then I'll ever use, my 
 wife has the whole  bloody internet on her phone. Best thing about it is 
 this proggy i got called, 'the ringtone maker' which allows you to make all 
 your own ringtones. it rocks and i have some weird ringtones boie, best 
 thing is doing my ordering while i'm cooking. i used to have to sit at a 
 desk, or more like, stand at a bar ;)

As far as I know, the iPhone has the best implementation of the internet of any 
cell phone. 
The big complaint right now is about how good flash player support is...

[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
  Steve Job's announced earlier today.
  
  
  
  The iPhone
 
 Is it based on MacOS X like the Apple TV is, I wonder? THAT would be a 
 scaleable product. 
It's 
 basically a tablet PC/phone combo sans handwriting recognition, as far as I 
 can tell.


And yes it is. Apple's apparently now got a scalable MacOS X that works from 
iPhones to 
servers.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote:
 
  Jobs also announced they are taking the word computer out of 
 their 
  names so instead of Apple Computer it will be Apple Inc.   Wonder 
 how long before they take computers out their product line?
 
 
 Not long I hope !
 I have to teach graphic design on that sh!t. They keep freezing and 
 glitching. PC's work great. (And I used nothing but Macs for over a 
 decade)
 

On MacOS X? I've had only had 2-4 blue screen type crashes since I got my 
MacOS X 
machine. Plenty of applications crashes. Actually, I've had more total freezes 
requiring 
reboots than just 4, but I was playing full-screen internet MMORPG video games, 
which 
probably don't crash gracefully in full-screen mode, so the keyboard/monitor 
never gets 
reset. All my standard applications, including compilers, 3D graphics (Maya and 
ZBRush), 
internet, etc., work without system-wide crashes and I've never had a video 
game cause a 
hard-crash while in windowing mode.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Jan 9, 2007, at 7:24 PM, sparaig wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
  Steve Job's announced earlier today.
 
 
 
  The iPhone
 
  Is it based on MacOS X like the Apple TV is, I wonder? THAT would  
  be a scaleable product. It's
  basically a tablet PC/phone combo sans handwriting recognition, as  
  far as I can tell.
 
 
 Well, I think the appletv is going to be a flop. 40 gigs?  
 Givemeabreak.


Built-in video wifi. 40 gigs is enough for a LOT of TV shows/movies. Remember, 
it's 
hooked to your Mac/PC which has a LOT more storage than 40 GB. THAT is for 
caching of 
shows you want to watch asap.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[Bhairitu]

Vaj wrote:

 On Jan 9, 2007, at 7:24 PM, sparaig wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Steve Job's announced earlier today.



 The iPhone

 Is it based on MacOS X like the Apple TV is, I wonder? THAT would be 
 a scaleable product. It's
 basically a tablet PC/phone combo sans handwriting recognition, as 
 far as I can tell.


 Well, I think the appletv is going to be a flop. 40 gigs? Givemeabreak.
Especially if it did HD.  UPS dropped off one of these at my door today 
so I've been playing with it.
http://www.silicondust.com/trac/wiki/products/hdhomerun

It took a bit of work but I finally got it working and recording on both 
Windows and Linux.  Pretty cool!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[Vaj]

On Jan 9, 2007, at 8:39 PM, sparaig wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



On Jan 9, 2007, at 7:24 PM, sparaig wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:


Steve Job's announced earlier today.



The iPhone


Is it based on MacOS X like the Apple TV is, I wonder? THAT would
be a scaleable product. It's
basically a tablet PC/phone combo sans handwriting recognition, as
far as I can tell.



Well, I think the appletv is going to be a flop. 40 gigs?
Givemeabreak.



Built-in video wifi. 40 gigs is enough for a LOT of TV shows/ 
movies. Remember, it's
hooked to your Mac/PC which has a LOT more storage than 40 GB. THAT  
is for caching of

shows you want to watch asap.



Yeah I was just telling a friend--it's really primarily for streaming  
video the way we now stream audio to our stereos. Since Apple now has  
Paramount movies online for 10 bucks--you can download a movie and  
then stream it to your home theatre, on demand.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[Vaj]

On Jan 9, 2007, at 8:22 PM, sparaig wrote:

That's what the iPhone IS, excpt it comes with a cell-phone  
connector AS WELL AS (as far
as I can tell) a wifi connector. More accurately, it's a tiny Mac  
with a custom iTunes

interface and a built-in cellphone.



Yes and Safari, widgets, etc. The keynote has a version of just the  
iPhone--it's really rather amazing. And yes it is running on OS X.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
 
 Yeah I was just telling a friend--it's really primarily for streaming  
 video the way we now stream audio to our stereos. Since Apple now has  
 Paramount movies online for 10 bucks--you can download a movie and  
 then stream it to your home theatre, on demand.


Anything that can be put into your iTunes library should be playable on iPhone 
or Apple TV. 
That includes output from iMovie...

[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Vaj wrote:
 
  On Jan 9, 2007, at 7:24 PM, sparaig wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
  Steve Job's announced earlier today.
 
 
 
  The iPhone
 
  Is it based on MacOS X like the Apple TV is, I wonder? THAT would be 
  a scaleable product. It's
  basically a tablet PC/phone combo sans handwriting recognition, as 
  far as I can tell.
 
 
  Well, I think the appletv is going to be a flop. 40 gigs? Givemeabreak.
 Especially if it did HD.  UPS dropped off one of these at my door today 
 so I've been playing with it.
 http://www.silicondust.com/trac/wiki/products/hdhomerun
 
 It took a bit of work but I finally got it working and recording on both 
 Windows and Linux.  Pretty cool!


It took a bit of work says it all.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The iPhone

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 [...]
  
  Yeah I was just telling a friend--it's really primarily for streaming  
  video the way we now stream audio to our stereos. Since Apple now has  
  Paramount movies online for 10 bucks--you can download a movie and  
  then stream it to your home theatre, on demand.
 
 
 Anything that can be put into your iTunes library should be playable on 
 iPhone or Apple 
TV. 
 That includes output from iMovie...


The interesting thing is, that wih an upgraded .Mac account, there could 
eventually be a 
way to allow you to stream iTunes stuff from any wifi server. You just walk 
into the 
restaurant or coffeehouse and access your .Mac account and it sychs with your 
iTunes 
library and lets you select what you want to watch on your iPhone. Drops jaw... 
That could 
eventually allow video cohference calls via iChat from anywhere with a wifi 
account since 
iChat video and iTunes video use the same technology...