[FairfieldLife] Re: VIDEO: See Guru Dev film on You Tube
Thanks, Bob, I stand corrected. Maharishi sure does sound like him, though, even the laugh. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" > wrote: > > > > Bob, I'm positive that it's Maharishi speaking, not Guru Dev. At > > first I thought it was Guru Dev, too, but it's only because > Maharishi > > so very much sounds like Guru Dev; lots of the same inflections and > > stresses, but Maharishi's voice is a bit higher register. Also, > about > > halfway through he laughs and the laugh seems unmistakeably > Maharishi's. > > > > In any case, it's definitely not Guru Dev's talk about the salt > statue > > going to measure the ocean's depth; I've listened to that scores of > > times and know it well. > > > > Thanks to Paul Mason for uploading it to YouTube. > > > > ** > > > > *** > > Well, Paul Mason, in a reply at the youtube posting, sez it is GD -- > here's the exchange: > > Who is speaking on this video -- is it Guru Dev? > (Reply) > PremanandPaul (1 day ago) > The soundtrack of this film is a 'wire-recording' of Guru Dev giving > a lecture. Other recordings of Guru Dev speaking and singing are > posted as mp3s on his webpages, try a search engine and type: Guru > Dev Recordings > (Reply) > divineinanna (1 day ago) > Can you supply any date or location of the footage? > (Reply) > PremanandPaul (1 day ago) > Guru Dev film and audio from circa 1950-51, North India. Judging from > what Guru Dev is saying on the audio recording he was not very far > from the birthplace of Sita (i.e. Mithila), so possibly the ancient > city of Patna, or maybe Lucknow (where the filmstock and wire- > recordings were found), or perhaps even Varanasi (where Guru Dev had > his main ashram). > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > do.rflex wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Guru Dev video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxh2Txy9_C4 > > > > > Thanks to Paul Mason. > > > > > > > > one question: > > > > who is the narrator, and what is he saying ... is it > > > > Guru Dev speaking ?? > > > > > > > > also, cameo of young Maharishi, at about 2:20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > It's Guru Dev speaking, possibly this is what he's saying -- > > > recordings of him were rare: > > > > > > "In a rare wire recording of Swami Brahmananda Sarasvati, he says > > > that it is easy for the mind to reach the paramatma (that which > is > > > beyond the Atman) but the experience cannot be expressed. He > gives > > > the example of a statue made of salt. You can put it in the sea > and > > > it will go deep down into the water without any difficulty. It > will > > > melt in the sea. If you ask the statue to say anything about the > sea > > > (the experience) like how deep it was, etc. it is very difficult! > > > Like that the mind experiences the paramatma and becomes immersed > in > > > it. It cannot speak about the experience of becoming the > paramatma. > > > If it can then it has not really experienced it." > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/yodp3x > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: VIDEO: See Guru Dev film on You Tube
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" > wrote: snip> > > In any case, it's definitely not Guru Dev's talk about the salt > statue > > going to measure the ocean's depth; Apparently a common analogy among Yogis sometimes attributed to RamaKrishna. Ramakrishna compared Savikalpa Samadhi (samadhi with consciousness of one's individuality) to a cotton doll which when put in water gets saturated with it, and Nirvikalpa Samadhi (Unity-no distinction) to a doll of salt which when immersed in water disolves and loses itself in it. I guess you could say in Nirvikalpa the drop becomes the ocean... Another story by Swami Yogananda: "To paraphrase a well-known allegory, he is then comparable to an idol made of sugar that sought to measure the depth of the Ocean of Divine Nectar. On entering the Sea, it found itself melting. The idol retreated hurriedly to the shore, thinking: "Why lose my identity in order to determine the depth of divine sweetness? I already know that the Ocean is indeed very deep, and Its nectar exceedingly sweet." Thus the sugar idol chose to perceive the Ocean of Sweetness through the isolated consciousness of individuality. Similarly, a devotee may love to be one with the Infinite, yet love even more the enjoyment of God experienced by retaining his individual existence. The latter is the state of supreme devotion."
[FairfieldLife] Re: VIDEO: See Guru Dev film on You Tube
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bob, I'm positive that it's Maharishi speaking, not Guru Dev. At > first I thought it was Guru Dev, too, but it's only because Maharishi > so very much sounds like Guru Dev; lots of the same inflections and > stresses, but Maharishi's voice is a bit higher register. Also, about > halfway through he laughs and the laugh seems unmistakeably Maharishi's. > > In any case, it's definitely not Guru Dev's talk about the salt statue > going to measure the ocean's depth; I've listened to that scores of > times and know it well. > > Thanks to Paul Mason for uploading it to YouTube. > > ** > *** Well, Paul Mason, in a reply at the youtube posting, sez it is GD -- here's the exchange: Who is speaking on this video -- is it Guru Dev? (Reply) PremanandPaul (1 day ago) The soundtrack of this film is a 'wire-recording' of Guru Dev giving a lecture. Other recordings of Guru Dev speaking and singing are posted as mp3s on his webpages, try a search engine and type: Guru Dev Recordings (Reply) divineinanna (1 day ago) Can you supply any date or location of the footage? (Reply) PremanandPaul (1 day ago) Guru Dev film and audio from circa 1950-51, North India. Judging from what Guru Dev is saying on the audio recording he was not very far from the birthplace of Sita (i.e. Mithila), so possibly the ancient city of Patna, or maybe Lucknow (where the filmstock and wire- recordings were found), or perhaps even Varanasi (where Guru Dev had his main ashram). > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest" > > wrote: > > > > > > > do.rflex wrote: > > > > > > > > Guru Dev video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxh2Txy9_C4 > > > > Thanks to Paul Mason. > > > > > > one question: > > > who is the narrator, and what is he saying ... is it > > > Guru Dev speaking ?? > > > > > > also, cameo of young Maharishi, at about 2:20 > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > It's Guru Dev speaking, possibly this is what he's saying -- > > recordings of him were rare: > > > > "In a rare wire recording of Swami Brahmananda Sarasvati, he says > > that it is easy for the mind to reach the paramatma (that which is > > beyond the Atman) but the experience cannot be expressed. He gives > > the example of a statue made of salt. You can put it in the sea and > > it will go deep down into the water without any difficulty. It will > > melt in the sea. If you ask the statue to say anything about the sea > > (the experience) like how deep it was, etc. it is very difficult! > > Like that the mind experiences the paramatma and becomes immersed in > > it. It cannot speak about the experience of becoming the paramatma. > > If it can then it has not really experienced it." > > > > http://tinyurl.com/yodp3x > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: VIDEO: See Guru Dev film on You Tube
Bob, I'm positive that it's Maharishi speaking, not Guru Dev. At first I thought it was Guru Dev, too, but it's only because Maharishi so very much sounds like Guru Dev; lots of the same inflections and stresses, but Maharishi's voice is a bit higher register. Also, about halfway through he laughs and the laugh seems unmistakeably Maharishi's. In any case, it's definitely not Guru Dev's talk about the salt statue going to measure the ocean's depth; I've listened to that scores of times and know it well. Thanks to Paul Mason for uploading it to YouTube. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest" > wrote: > > > > > do.rflex wrote: > > > > > > Guru Dev video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxh2Txy9_C4 > > > Thanks to Paul Mason. > > > > one question: > > who is the narrator, and what is he saying ... is it > > Guru Dev speaking ?? > > > > also, cameo of young Maharishi, at about 2:20 > > > > > *** > > It's Guru Dev speaking, possibly this is what he's saying -- > recordings of him were rare: > > "In a rare wire recording of Swami Brahmananda Sarasvati, he says > that it is easy for the mind to reach the paramatma (that which is > beyond the Atman) but the experience cannot be expressed. He gives > the example of a statue made of salt. You can put it in the sea and > it will go deep down into the water without any difficulty. It will > melt in the sea. If you ask the statue to say anything about the sea > (the experience) like how deep it was, etc. it is very difficult! > Like that the mind experiences the paramatma and becomes immersed in > it. It cannot speak about the experience of becoming the paramatma. > If it can then it has not really experienced it." > > http://tinyurl.com/yodp3x >
[FairfieldLife] Re: VIDEO: See Guru Dev film on You Tube
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > do.rflex wrote: > > > > Guru Dev video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxh2Txy9_C4 > > Thanks to Paul Mason. > > one question: > who is the narrator, and what is he saying ... is it > Guru Dev speaking ?? > > also, cameo of young Maharishi, at about 2:20 > *** It's Guru Dev speaking, possibly this is what he's saying -- recordings of him were rare: "In a rare wire recording of Swami Brahmananda Sarasvati, he says that it is easy for the mind to reach the paramatma (that which is beyond the Atman) but the experience cannot be expressed. He gives the example of a statue made of salt. You can put it in the sea and it will go deep down into the water without any difficulty. It will melt in the sea. If you ask the statue to say anything about the sea (the experience) like how deep it was, etc. it is very difficult! Like that the mind experiences the paramatma and becomes immersed in it. It cannot speak about the experience of becoming the paramatma. If it can then it has not really experienced it." http://tinyurl.com/yodp3x
[FairfieldLife] Re: VIDEO: See Guru Dev film on You Tube
> do.rflex wrote: > > Guru Dev video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxh2Txy9_C4 > Thanks to Paul Mason. one question: who is the narrator, and what is he saying ... is it Guru Dev speaking ?? also, cameo of young Maharishi, at about 2:20
