[FairfieldLife] Re: Vying for #1 Spiritual Experiences..

[rajawilliamsm...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I guess if your Job sitting outside the Dome on the pavement scraping scabs off 
your legs with a piece of broken glass having an Throne of God experience 
nobody is going to believe you.   Maharishi and I thought having a MEG machine  
would be a good idea , but John Hagelin thought is was to expensive. Its 
important that people feel good about their good experience, that is how 
communities are best experienced. Certainly it   takes a conglomerate of gems 
to make a crown.
.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vying for #1 Spiritual Experiences..

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 At least the meditating community is sympathetic to these consciousness 
experiences as ‘shifts of state’ of Being. Enlightenment.  
 

 In the FF Coffee Haus satsanga there was chatting about this theme recently 
with someone practical and wise with this development who folks may turn to 
consult, both old and new meditators and townies too, opening to this, who may 
be wondering what is going on.. 

 The comment was that outside of the standard ‘checking notes’ for effortless 
meditation, the allopathic might see these as psychotic and the local Christian 
community may see them as the work of Satan and acts of the devil in 
temptation.   Science in between is starting to see these states as matter of 
fact. None of them seem up to the consult on it. By experience it may often be 
the matter of grounding the experience in the system, so it is said.
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On the ‘sharing’ about ‘number one’ experiences, 
 from the FF Coffee Haus satsanga..

 “On the assembly on the long program, appreciating the experience of the 
finest relative,
 it is interesting, fascinating. They are devatas, it is interesting but it is 
very ordinary.  It is just how it happens, this emergent thing that happens.
 ..Because people may or may not have experience with it themselves if the 
experience is not said in a form that they have in mind it can be dismissed. It 
can be very painful too sharing with some people, being free and then being 
dismissed if it doesn’t fit a criteria of description. It is hard when you 
don’t have ones refereeing this, discerning this as they hear it, experiencing 
it too. 

A few of the people are good with it by their own experience others are rote.”
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sharing the number one experiences? 
Deluding the ignorant.. An answer from the FF meditator satsanga, a classical 
conservative meditator’s frank response: Deluding the ignorant publicizing 
spiritual experience is too much like ‘throwing pearls before swine’. Swine are 
fine but, cultivate and refine perception, don’t publicise it. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sharing the number one experiences? 

 Asking this question around in the Fairfield, Iowa Coffee Haus satsanga…

A: Don’t promote the experiences, the critique too easily can get confused with 
someone saying “I had a drug trip like that”or, “they are crazy, dissociated”.  
Without context,  sharing would sound delusional or hallucinatory.  Instead, 
look at what is the quality of the life of the people practicing.   Flashy or 
abstract experience, that may not be the goal of the program.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 advice from the internet: ..As for how one rates one's state of consciousness, 
my advice is to stay the f**k away from any such thinking. It becomes clear in 
time where you are, informed by consciousness itself; established in silence, 
seeing the world as yourself, or whatever.
 
 Some awakened olderTM’er reflecting..

 ‘Number One experiences’, has become an unfortunate emphasis on a person 
having experiences rather than waking up. Combine that with no verification 
system and it has the making of getting people distracted while sitting in a 
place dedicated to supreme knowledge. They recognize the issue but have not 
found a solution yet.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There is some thought being given recently to publishing some of the ‘number 
one’ experiences such that people outside the Domes could have some insight as 
to what is going on inside. Maybe even inspire meditators to come to the 
collective meditation and meditate again. 
 This ‘experience checking’ on the assembly started back some years ago to 
follow how it was going for people on the assembly and then somewhat in 
response to a criticism that was common and said about TM, “..where are you 
enlightened?”.  Those of us who live and meditate here in Fairfield know people 
who are doing quite well spiritually. Rick Archer started his interviews on 
Batgap on this premise too and effectively scooped the TM movement entirely on 
this.

 
 Yifuxero writes:
 I'm skeptical as to the benefits of public displays of "experiences".  I've 
seen/heard that before and it generally backfires in some way.  They'll find 
out!
 The testimonies on BatGap fall into different categories and generalizations 
would be improper at this time.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Briefly, according to state of experience, three categories used to discern 
level of ‘number one’ spiritual state are:  

 “Madhuchhandas”  ..Maduchandas is recorded as having seen the entire extent of 
the Veda. 
 http://www.globalgoodnews.com/education-news-a.html?art=1178744947286297 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vying for #1 Spiritual Experiences..

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

On the ‘sharing’ about ‘number one’ experiences, 
 from the FF Coffee Haus satsanga..

 “On the assembly on the long program, appreciating the experience of the 
finest relative,
 it is interesting, fascinating. They are devatas, it is interesting but it is 
very ordinary.  It is just how it happens, this emergent thing that happens.
 Because people may or may not have experience with it themselves if the 
experience is not said in a form that they have in mind it can be dismissed. It 
can be very painful too sharing with some people, being free and then being 
dismissed if it doesn’t fit a criteria of description. It is hard when you 
don’t have ones refereeing this, discerning this as they hear it, experiencing 
it too. 

A few of the people are good with it by their own experience others are rote.”
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sharing the number one experiences? 
Deluding the ignorant.. An answer from the FF meditator satsanga, a classical 
conservative meditator’s frank response: Deluding the ignorant publicizing 
spiritual experience is too much like ‘throwing pearls before swine’. Swine are 
fine but, cultivate and refine perception, don’t publicise it. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sharing the number one experiences? 

 Asking this question around in the Fairfield, Iowa Coffee Haus satsanga…

A: Don’t promote the experiences, the critique too easily can get confused with 
someone saying “I had a drug trip like that”or, “they are crazy, dissociated”.  
Without context,  sharing would sound delusional or hallucinatory.  Instead, 
look at what is the quality of the life of the people practicing.   Flashy or 
abstract experience, that may not be the goal of the program.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 advice from the internet: ..As for how one rates one's state of consciousness, 
my advice is to stay the f**k away from any such thinking. It becomes clear in 
time where you are, informed by consciousness itself; established in silence, 
seeing the world as yourself, or whatever.
 
 Some awakened olderTM’er reflecting..

 ‘Number One experiences’, has become an unfortunate emphasis on a person 
having experiences rather than waking up. Combine that with no verification 
system and it has the making of getting people distracted while sitting in a 
place dedicated to supreme knowledge. They recognize the issue but have not 
found a solution yet.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There is some thought being given recently to publishing some of the ‘number 
one’ experiences such that people outside the Domes could have some insight as 
to what is going on inside. Maybe even inspire meditators to come to the 
collective meditation and meditate again. 
 This ‘experience checking’ on the assembly started back some years ago to 
follow how it was going for people on the assembly and then somewhat in 
response to a criticism that was common and said about TM, “..where are you 
enlightened?”.  Those of us who live and meditate here in Fairfield know people 
who are doing quite well spiritually. Rick Archer started his interviews on 
Batgap on this premise too and effectively scooped the TM movement entirely on 
this.

 
 Yifuxero writes:
 I'm skeptical as to the benefits of public displays of "experiences".  I've 
seen/heard that before and it generally backfires in some way.  They'll find 
out!
 The testimonies on BatGap fall into different categories and generalizations 
would be improper at this time.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Briefly, according to state of experience, three categories used to discern 
level of ‘number one’ spiritual state are:  

 “Madhuchhandas”  ..Maduchandas is recorded as having seen the entire extent of 
the Veda. 
 http://www.globalgoodnews.com/education-news-a.html?art=1178744947286297 
http://www.globalgoodnews.com/education-news-a.html?art=1178744947286297


 “Dirghatamas” ..That means long drawn silence. 
 http://press-conference.globalgoodnews.com/archive/december/04-12-22.html 
http://press-conference.globalgoodnews.com/archive/december/04-12-22.html
 MMY commentary..
 Just this word: potential dynamism. That means it is dynamic in its unmanifest 
state, and it is completely silent in its manifest state. So there is silence; 
there is dynamism. This is the field. We can see it as the basis of creation, 
the silent basis of creation.
 

 And then third,
 Inner silence quiet 

 -JaiGuruYou
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some the assembly format of sharing the number one meditational or 
spiritual experience also can serve a means of being seen in an otherwise 
mostly anonymous group (Top-down patriarchal). And of course of human nature 
this can roll over into being of a type of heady specialness for 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vying for #1 Spiritual Experiences..

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Sharing the number one experiences? 
Deluding the ignorant.. An answer from the FF meditator satsanga, a classical 
conservative meditator’s frank response: Deluding the ignorant publicizing 
spiritual experience is too much like ‘throwing pearls before swine’. Swine are 
fine but, cultivate and refine perception, don’t publicise it. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sharing the number one experiences? 

 Asking this question around in the Fairfield, Iowa Coffee Haus satsanga…

A: Don’t promote the experiences, the critique too easily can get confused with 
someone saying “I had a drug trip like that”or, “they are crazy, dissociated”.  
Without context,  sharing would sound delusional or hallucinatory.  Instead, 
look at what is the quality of the life of the people practicing.   Flashy or 
abstract experience, that may not be the goal of the program.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 advice from the internet: ..As for how one rates one's state of consciousness, 
my advice is to stay the f**k away from any such thinking. It becomes clear in 
time where you are, informed by consciousness itself; established in silence, 
seeing the world as yourself, or whatever.
 
 Some awakened olderTM’er reflecting..

 ‘Number One experiences’, has become an unfortunate emphasis on a person 
having experiences rather than waking up. Combine that with no verification 
system and it has the making of getting people distracted while sitting in a 
place dedicated to supreme knowledge. They recognize the issue but have not 
found a solution yet.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There is some thought being given recently to publishing some of the ‘number 
one’ experiences such that people outside the Domes could have some insight as 
to what is going on inside. Maybe even inspire meditators to come to the 
collective meditation and meditate again. 
 This ‘experience checking’ on the assembly started back some years ago to 
follow how it was going for people on the assembly and then somewhat in 
response to a criticism that was common and said about TM, “..where are you 
enlightened?”.  Those of us who live and meditate here in Fairfield know people 
who are doing quite well spiritually. Rick Archer started his interviews on 
Batgap on this premise too and effectively scooped the TM movement entirely on 
this.

 
 Yifuxero writes:
 I'm skeptical as to the benefits of public displays of "experiences".  I've 
seen/heard that before and it generally backfires in some way.  They'll find 
out!
 The testimonies on BatGap fall into different categories and generalizations 
would be improper at this time.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Briefly, according to state of experience, three categories used to discern 
level of ‘number one’ spiritual state are:  

 “Madhuchhandas”  ..Maduchandas is recorded as having seen the entire extent of 
the Veda. 
 http://www.globalgoodnews.com/education-news-a.html?art=1178744947286297 
http://www.globalgoodnews.com/education-news-a.html?art=1178744947286297


 “Dirghatamas” ..That means long drawn silence. 
 http://press-conference.globalgoodnews.com/archive/december/04-12-22.html 
http://press-conference.globalgoodnews.com/archive/december/04-12-22.html
 MMY commentary..
 Just this word: potential dynamism. That means it is dynamic in its unmanifest 
state, and it is completely silent in its manifest state. So there is silence; 
there is dynamism. This is the field. We can see it as the basis of creation, 
the silent basis of creation.
 

 And then third,
 Inner silence quiet 

 -JaiGuruYou
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some the assembly format of sharing the number one meditational or 
spiritual experience also can serve a means of being seen in an otherwise 
mostly anonymous group (Top-down patriarchal). And of course of human nature 
this can roll over into being of a type of heady specialness for the ego of the 
individual or group.  
 A friend recounts her sharing her experience at the microphone and it was 
declared a number one over the mic and in her coming away from the mic through 
the Dome was greeted with congratulations, people holding her hand, some kissed 
her hand. She is seen now and there is some confidence there that might not 
have been there before. 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The discernment of  Number One Experiences generally gets programmed into 
three levels of experience as they are told and then commented on. 

 Yeah, and that dang Joseph at Cupertino always was an attention getter trying 
to be special, a real pain in the ass in the monastery community.  Levitation 
practice here is not in itself necessarily programmed as a number one spiritual 
experience. 
 

 yifuxero writes:

 

 Any 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vying for #1 Spiritual Experiences..

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Sharing the number one experiences? 

 Asking this question around in the Fairfield, Iowa Coffee Haus satsanga…

A: Don’t promote the experiences, the critique too easily can get confused with 
someone saying “I had a drug trip like that”or, “they are crazy, dissociated”.  
Without context,  sharing would sound delusional or hallucinatory.  Instead, 
look at what is the quality of the life of the people practicing.   Flashy or 
abstract experience, that may not be the goal of the program.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 advice from the internet: ..As for how one rates one's state of consciousness, 
my advice is to stay the f**k away from any such thinking. It becomes clear in 
time where you are, informed by consciousness itself; established in silence, 
seeing the world as yourself, or whatever.
 
 Some awakened olderTM’er reflecting..

 ‘Number One experiences’, has become an unfortunate emphasis on a person 
having experiences rather than waking up. Combine that with no verification 
system and it has the making of getting people distracted while sitting in a 
place dedicated to supreme knowledge. They recognize the issue but have not 
found a solution yet.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There is some thought being given recently to publishing some of the ‘number 
one’ experiences such that people outside the Domes could have some insight as 
to what is going on inside. Maybe even inspire meditators to come to the 
collective meditation and meditate again. 
 This ‘experience checking’ on the assembly started back some years ago to 
follow how it was going for people on the assembly and then somewhat in 
response to a criticism that was common and said about TM, “..where are you 
enlightened?”.  Those of us who live and meditate here in Fairfield know people 
who are doing quite well spiritually. Rick Archer started his interviews on 
Batgap on this premise too and effectively scooped the TM movement entirely on 
this.
 
 Yifuxero writes:
 I'm skeptical as to the benefits of public displays of "experiences".  I've 
seen/heard that before and it generally backfires in some way.  They'll find 
out!
 The testimonies on BatGap fall into different categories and generalizations 
would be improper at this time.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Briefly, according to state of experience, three categories used to discern 
level of ‘number one’ spiritual state are:  

 “Madhuchhandas”  ..Maduchandas is recorded as having seen the entire extent of 
the Veda. 
 http://www.globalgoodnews.com/education-news-a.html?art=1178744947286297 
http://www.globalgoodnews.com/education-news-a.html?art=1178744947286297


 “Dirghatamas” ..That means long drawn silence. 
 http://press-conference.globalgoodnews.com/archive/december/04-12-22.html 
http://press-conference.globalgoodnews.com/archive/december/04-12-22.html
 MMY commentary..
 Just this word: potential dynamism. That means it is dynamic in its unmanifest 
state, and it is completely silent in its manifest state. So there is silence; 
there is dynamism. This is the field. We can see it as the basis of creation, 
the silent basis of creation.
 

 And then third,
 Inner silence quiet 

 -JaiGuruYou
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some the assembly format of sharing the number one meditational or 
spiritual experience also can serve a means of being seen in an otherwise 
mostly anonymous group (Top-down patriarchal). And of course of human nature 
this can roll over into being of a type of heady specialness for the ego of the 
individual or group.  
 A friend recounts her sharing her experience at the microphone and it was 
declared a number one over the mic and in her coming away from the mic through 
the Dome was greeted with congratulations, people holding her hand, some kissed 
her hand. She is seen now and there is some confidence there that might not 
have been there before. 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The discernment of  Number One Experiences generally gets programmed into 
three levels of experience as they are told and then commented on. 

 Yeah, and that dang Joseph at Cupertino always was an attention getter trying 
to be special, a real pain in the ass in the monastery community.  Levitation 
practice here is not in itself necessarily programmed as a number one spiritual 
experience. 
 

 yifuxero writes:

 

 Any accounts of levitation?
 

 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Cupertino#/media/File:San_Giuseppe_da_Copertino_si_eleva_in_volo_alla_vista_della_Basilica_di_Loreto.jpg
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Cupertino#/media/File:San_Giuseppe_da_Copertino_si_eleva_in_volo_alla_vista_della_Basilica_di_Loreto.jpg
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Something quite fair 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vying for #1 Spiritual Experiences..

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Some casualty along the way to what is a cultural communal expectation for 
perfect health, ideal life, vastu perfection, and enlightenment... the 
expectations affect people differently. For some at the end of a life there has 
been lament, dismay and some depression that they failed in their progress by 
comparison with number one experiences. ..That they didn’t meditate enough, 
failed themselves, failed Maharishi, failed to get enlightened.  
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 advice from the internet: ..As for how one rates one's state of consciousness, 
my advice is to stay the f**k away from any such thinking. It becomes clear in 
time where you are, informed by consciousness itself; established in silence, 
seeing the world as yourself, or whatever.
 

 Some awakened olderTM’er reflecting..

 ‘Number One experiences’, has become an unfortunate emphasis on a person 
having experiences rather than waking up. Combine that with no verification 
system and it has the making of getting people distracted while sitting in a 
place dedicated to supreme knowledge. They recognize the issue but have not 
found a solution yet.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There is some thought being given recently to publishing some of the ‘number 
one’ experiences such that people outside the Domes could have some insight as 
to what is going on inside. Maybe even inspire meditators to come to the 
collective meditation and meditate again. 
 This ‘experience checking’ on the assembly started back some years ago to 
follow how it was going for people on the assembly and then somewhat in 
response to a criticism that was common and said about TM, “..where are you 
enlightened?”.  Those of us who live and meditate here in Fairfield know people 
who are doing quite well spiritually. Rick Archer started his interviews on 
Batgap on this premise too and effectively scooped the TM movement entirely on 
this.
 
 Yifuxero writes:
 I'm skeptical as to the benefits of public displays of "experiences".  I've 
seen/heard that before and it generally backfires in some way.  They'll find 
out!
 The testimonies on BatGap fall into different categories and generalizations 
would be improper at this time.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Briefly, according to state of experience, three categories used to discern 
level of ‘number one’ spiritual state are:  

 “Madhuchhandas”  ..Maduchandas is recorded as having seen the entire extent of 
the Veda. 
 http://www.globalgoodnews.com/education-news-a.html?art=1178744947286297 
http://www.globalgoodnews.com/education-news-a.html?art=1178744947286297


 “Dirghatamas” ..That means long drawn silence. 
 http://press-conference.globalgoodnews.com/archive/december/04-12-22.html 
http://press-conference.globalgoodnews.com/archive/december/04-12-22.html
 MMY commentary..
 Just this word: potential dynamism. That means it is dynamic in its unmanifest 
state, and it is completely silent in its manifest state. So there is silence; 
there is dynamism. This is the field. We can see it as the basis of creation, 
the silent basis of creation.
 

 And then third,
 Inner silence quiet 

 -JaiGuruYou
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some the assembly format of sharing the number one meditational or 
spiritual experience also can serve a means of being seen in an otherwise 
mostly anonymous group (Top-down patriarchal). And of course of human nature 
this can roll over into being of a type of heady specialness for the ego of the 
individual or group.  
 A friend recounts her sharing her experience at the microphone and it was 
declared a number one over the mic and in her coming away from the mic through 
the Dome was greeted with congratulations, people holding her hand, some kissed 
her hand. She is seen now and there is some confidence there that might not 
have been there before. 
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The discernment of  Number One Experiences generally gets programmed into 
three levels of experience as they are told and then commented on. 

 Yeah, and that dang Joseph at Cupertino always was an attention getter trying 
to be special, a real pain in the ass in the monastery community.  Levitation 
practice here is not in itself necessarily programmed as a number one spiritual 
experience. 
 

 yifuxero writes:

 

 Any accounts of levitation?
 

 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Cupertino#/media/File:San_Giuseppe_da_Copertino_si_eleva_in_volo_alla_vista_della_Basilica_di_Loreto.jpg
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Cupertino#/media/File:San_Giuseppe_da_Copertino_si_eleva_in_volo_alla_vista_della_Basilica_di_Loreto.jpg
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Something quite fair to admire about the meditation Assembly is that 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vying for #1 Spiritual Experiences..

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

advice from the internet: ..As for how one rates one's state of consciousness, 
my advice is to stay the f**k away from any such thinking. It becomes clear in 
time where you are, informed by consciousness itself; established in silence, 
seeing the world as yourself, or whatever.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There is some thought being given recently to publishing some of the ‘number 
one’ experiences such that people outside the Domes could have some insight as 
to what is going on inside. Maybe even inspire meditators to come to the 
collective meditation and meditate again. 
 This ‘experience checking’ on the assembly started back some years ago to 
follow how it was going for people on the assembly and then somewhat in 
response to a criticism that was common and said about TM, “..where are you 
enlightened?”.  Those of us who live and meditate here in Fairfield know people 
who are doing quite well spiritually. Rick Archer started his interviews on 
Batgap on this premise too and effectively scooped the TM movement entirely on 
this.
 
 Yifuxero writes:
 I'm skeptical as to the benefits of public displays of "experiences".  I've 
seen/heard that before and it generally backfires in some way.  They'll find 
out!
 The testimonies on BatGap fall into different categories and generalizations 
would be improper at this time.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Briefly, according to state of experience, three categories used to discern 
level of ‘number one’ spiritual state are:  

 “Madhuchhandas”  ..Maduchandas is recorded as having seen the entire extent of 
the Veda. 
 http://www.globalgoodnews.com/education-news-a.html?art=1178744947286297 
http://www.globalgoodnews.com/education-news-a.html?art=1178744947286297


 “Dirghatamas” ..That means long drawn silence. 
 http://press-conference.globalgoodnews.com/archive/december/04-12-22.html 
http://press-conference.globalgoodnews.com/archive/december/04-12-22.html
 MMY commentary..
 Just this word: potential dynamism. That means it is dynamic in its unmanifest 
state, and it is completely silent in its manifest state. So there is silence; 
there is dynamism. This is the field. We can see it as the basis of creation, 
the silent basis of creation.
 

 And then third,
 Inner silence quiet 

 -JaiGuruYou
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some the assembly format of sharing the number one meditational or 
spiritual experience also can serve a means of being seen in an otherwise 
mostly anonymous group (Top-down patriarchal). And of course of human nature 
this can roll over into being of a type of heady specialness for the ego of the 
individual or group.  
 A friend recounts her sharing her experience at the microphone and it was 
declared a number one over the mic and in her coming away from the mic through 
the Dome was greeted with congratulations, people holding her hand, some kissed 
her hand. She is seen now and there is some confidence there that might not 
have been there before. 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The discernment of  Number One Experiences generally gets programmed into 
three levels of experience as they are told and then commented on. 

 Yeah, and that dang Joseph at Cupertino always was an attention getter trying 
to be special, a real pain in the ass in the monastery community.  Levitation 
practice here is not in itself necessarily programmed as a number one spiritual 
experience. 
 

 yifuxero writes:

 

 Any accounts of levitation?
 

 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Cupertino#/media/File:San_Giuseppe_da_Copertino_si_eleva_in_volo_alla_vista_della_Basilica_di_Loreto.jpg
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Cupertino#/media/File:San_Giuseppe_da_Copertino_si_eleva_in_volo_alla_vista_della_Basilica_di_Loreto.jpg
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Something quite fair to admire about the meditation Assembly is that like most 
other projects that Maharishi undertook he used the facility of the project to 
have scientists conduct science research in to the effects of meditation.  From 
the beginning of the IAA that too has been going on all along with research on 
individuals and research on the collective of the Assembly.  

 
 Quite a lot of advancement has been made in replication of previous study. 
That has been a large part of what it was about and then going further.  

 Certainly people have experience with the meditation to study. The Domes it 
seems are fabulous activated places to meditate. In fact they have been a 
treasure trove to conduct science research in.  Putting the organization and 
some of its personality and antics aside the research is currently still the 
case ongoing. 

Some of the research has been to study people who describe experiencing higher 
states of 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vying for #1 Spiritual Experiences..

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

There is some thought being given recently to publishing some of the ‘number 
one’ experiences such that people outside the Domes could have some insight as 
to what is going on inside. Maybe even inspire meditators to come to the 
collective meditation and meditate again. 
 This ‘experience checking’ on the assembly started back some years ago to 
follow how it was going for people on the assembly and then somewhat in 
response to a criticism that was common and said about TM, “..where are you 
enlightened?”.  Those of us who live and meditate here in Fairfield know people 
who are doing quite well spiritually. Rick Archer started his interviews on 
Batgap on this premise too and effectively scooped the TM movement entirely on 
this.
 
 Yifuxero writes:
 I'm skeptical as to the benefits of public displays of "experiences".  I've 
seen/heard that before and it generally backfires in some way.  They'll find 
out!
 The testimonies on BatGap fall into different categories and generalizations 
would be improper at this time.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Briefly, according to state of experience, three categories used to discern 
level of ‘number one’ spiritual state are:  

 “Madhuchhandas”  ..Maduchandas is recorded as having seen the entire extent of 
the Veda. 
 http://www.globalgoodnews.com/education-news-a.html?art=1178744947286297 
http://www.globalgoodnews.com/education-news-a.html?art=1178744947286297


 “Dirghatamas” ..That means long drawn silence. 
 http://press-conference.globalgoodnews.com/archive/december/04-12-22.html 
http://press-conference.globalgoodnews.com/archive/december/04-12-22.html
 MMY commentary..
 Just this word: potential dynamism. That means it is dynamic in its unmanifest 
state, and it is completely silent in its manifest state. So there is silence; 
there is dynamism. This is the field. We can see it as the basis of creation, 
the silent basis of creation.  

 ‘Vedic Science sees it on two levels. One level is the dynamic nature of it, 
and the other level is the silent nature of it. And the Vedic awareness of both 
of them at the same time is in the junction point of it. 
 The value of opening our awareness to the junction point is that the mind 
remains silent and the mind remains dynamic, potentially—potentially dynamic 
and obviously silent. So here is the silent state of the mind which is 
potentially dynamic. That means all thought, speech, action—anything about 
it—is completely natural on that level of human awareness. This human awareness 
at that level, we call Transcendental Consciousness. It has transcended all the 
dynamism of it and has settled down in eternal silence which is potentially 
dynamic. This is a very beautiful state in which everything is a possibility.  
 ..everything is submerged there. The value of consciousness opening to the 
field of all possibilities is that whatever is inherent in it opens to single 
awareness. When the awareness is open to that, then the awareness is open to a 
level which is silent and dynamic, both at the same time. 
 ‘The whole creation is a reality of the unmanifest field. The whole creation 
is the reality of the unmanifest field. Opening to that level is opening to the 
mechanics of creation. “Mechanics of creation” means lively functioning of 
total Natural Law. And then we say, “Lively functioning of the will of God.” 
All possibilities [are] there. That is why one wants to have it in one’s 
awareness. It is just a matter of knowledge, just a matter of knowledge that I 
am there.  
 


 And then third,
 Inner silence quiet 

 -JaiGuruYou
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some the assembly format of sharing the number one meditational or 
spiritual experience also can serve a means of being seen in an otherwise 
mostly anonymous group (Top-down patriarchal). And of course of human nature 
this can roll over into being of a type of heady specialness for the ego of the 
individual or group.  
 A friend recounts her sharing her experience at the microphone and it was 
declared a number one over the mic and in her coming away from the mic through 
the Dome was greeted with congratulations, people holding her hand, some kissed 
her hand. She is seen now and there is some confidence there that might not 
have been there before. 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The discernment of  Number One Experiences generally gets programmed into 
three levels of experience as they are told and then commented on. 

 Yeah, and that dang Joseph at Cupertino always was an attention getter trying 
to be special, a real pain in the ass in the monastery community.  Levitation 
practice here is not in itself necessarily programmed as a number one spiritual 
experience. 
 

 yifuxero writes:

 

 Any accounts of levitation?
 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vying for #1 Spiritual Experiences..

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Briefly, according to state of experience, three categories used to discern 
level of ‘number one’ spiritual state are:  

 “Madhuchhandas”  ..Maduchandas is recorded as having seen the entire extent of 
the Veda. 
 http://www.globalgoodnews.com/education-news-a.html?art=1178744947286297 
http://www.globalgoodnews.com/education-news-a.html?art=1178744947286297


 “Dirghatamas” ..That means long drawn silence. 
 http://press-conference.globalgoodnews.com/archive/december/04-12-22.html 
http://press-conference.globalgoodnews.com/archive/december/04-12-22.html
 MMY commentary..
 Just this word: potential dynamism. That means it is dynamic in its unmanifest 
state, and it is completely silent in its manifest state. So there is silence; 
there is dynamism. This is the field. We can see it as the basis of creation, 
the silent basis of creation.  

 ‘Vedic Science sees it on two levels. One level is the dynamic nature of it, 
and the other level is the silent nature of it. And the Vedic awareness of both 
of them at the same time is in the junction point of it. 
 The value of opening our awareness to the junction point is that the mind 
remains silent and the mind remains dynamic, potentially—potentially dynamic 
and obviously silent. So here is the silent state of the mind which is 
potentially dynamic. That means all thought, speech, action—anything about 
it—is completely natural on that level of human awareness. This human awareness 
at that level, we call Transcendental Consciousness. It has transcended all the 
dynamism of it and has settled down in eternal silence which is potentially 
dynamic. This is a very beautiful state in which everything is a possibility.  
 ..everything is submerged there. The value of consciousness opening to the 
field of all possibilities is that whatever is inherent in it opens to single 
awareness. When the awareness is open to that, then the awareness is open to a 
level which is silent and dynamic, both at the same time. 
 ‘The whole creation is a reality of the unmanifest field. The whole creation 
is the reality of the unmanifest field. Opening to that level is opening to the 
mechanics of creation. “Mechanics of creation” means lively functioning of 
total Natural Law. And then we say, “Lively functioning of the will of God.” 
All possibilities [are] there. That is why one wants to have it in one’s 
awareness. It is just a matter of knowledge, just a matter of knowledge that I 
am there.  
 


 And then third,
 Inner silence quiet 

 -JaiGuruYou
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For some the assembly format of sharing the number one meditational or 
spiritual experience also can serve a means of being seen in an otherwise 
mostly anonymous group (Top-down patriarchal). And of course of human nature 
this can roll over into being of a type of heady specialness for the ego of the 
individual or group.  
 A friend recounts her sharing her experience at the microphone and it was 
declared a number one over the mic and in her coming away from the mic through 
the Dome was greeted with congratulations, people holding her hand, some kissed 
her hand. She is seen now and there is some confidence there that might not 
have been there before. 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The discernment of  Number One Experiences generally gets programmed into 
three levels of experience as they are told and then commented on. 

 Yeah, and that dang Joseph at Cupertino always was an attention getter trying 
to be special, a real pain in the ass in the monastery community.  Levitation 
practice here is not in itself necessarily programmed as a number one spiritual 
experience. 
 

 yifuxero writes:

 

 Any accounts of levitation?
 

 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Cupertino#/media/File:San_Giuseppe_da_Copertino_si_eleva_in_volo_alla_vista_della_Basilica_di_Loreto.jpg
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Cupertino#/media/File:San_Giuseppe_da_Copertino_si_eleva_in_volo_alla_vista_della_Basilica_di_Loreto.jpg
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Something quite fair to admire about the meditation Assembly is that like most 
other projects that Maharishi undertook he used the facility of the project to 
have scientists conduct science research in to the effects of meditation.  From 
the beginning of the IAA that too has been going on all along with research on 
individuals and research on the collective of the Assembly.  

 
 Quite a lot of advancement has been made in replication of previous study. 
That has been a large part of what it was about and then going further.  

 Certainly people have experience with the meditation to study. The Domes it 
seems are fabulous activated places to meditate. In fact they have been a 
treasure trove to conduct science research in.  Putting the organization and 
some of its personality and antics aside the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vying for #1 Spiritual Experiences..

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Another levitating Saint, relatively modern (died in 1903): Saint Gemma Galgani.
 Still waiting to hear about the TM "experiences".
 

 http://www.stgemmagalgani.com/2009/01/life-of-st-gemma-galgani.html 
http://www.stgemmagalgani.com/2009/01/life-of-st-gemma-galgani.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vying for #1 Spiritual Experiences..

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thx, so what was the experience? 
 fyi: among all of the more than 200 claimed cases of Catholic levitators, 
there's not a single record of a public display.  Witnesses to the such 
levitations spied on the Saints as they were in an ecstatic trace state.  
'After returning to the ground, the Saints typically stated they had no 
recollection of the experience
 Another characteristic of many Saints was the visible glow of Light enveloping 
their bodies and a glow around their heads.  Again, evidence for this has come 
through fellow Monks perhaps passing by the room of a Saint and seeing Light 
coming from under the door, or them opening the door and spying on them.
  .  
 I'm skeptical as to the benefits of public displays of "experiences".  I've 
seen/heard that before and it generally backfires in some way.  They'll find 
out!
 The testimonies on BatGap fall into different categories and generalizations 
would be improper at this time.
 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vying for #1 Spiritual Experiences..

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

For some the assembly format of sharing the number one meditational or 
spiritual experience also can serve a means of being seen in an otherwise 
mostly anonymous group (Top-down patriarchal). And of course of human nature 
this can roll over into being of a type of heady specialness for the ego of the 
individual or group.  
 A friend recounts her sharing her experience at the microphone and it was 
declared a number one over the mic and in her coming away from the mic through 
the Dome was greeted with congratulations, people holding her hand, some kissed 
her hand. She is seen now and there is some confidence there that might not 
have been there before. 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The discernment of  Number One Experiences generally gets programmed into 
three levels of experience as they are told and then commented on. 

 Yeah, and that dang Joseph at Cupertino always was an attention getter trying 
to be special, a real pain in the ass in the monastery community.  Levitation 
practice here is not in itself necessarily programmed as a number one spiritual 
experience. 
 

 yifuxero writes:

 

 Any accounts of levitation?
 

 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Cupertino#/media/File:San_Giuseppe_da_Copertino_si_eleva_in_volo_alla_vista_della_Basilica_di_Loreto.jpg
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Cupertino#/media/File:San_Giuseppe_da_Copertino_si_eleva_in_volo_alla_vista_della_Basilica_di_Loreto.jpg
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Something quite fair to admire about the meditation Assembly is that like most 
other projects that Maharishi undertook he used the facility of the project to 
have scientists conduct science research in to the effects of meditation.  From 
the beginning of the IAA that too has been going on all along with research on 
individuals and research on the collective of the Assembly.  

 
 Quite a lot of advancement has been made in replication of previous study. 
That has been a large part of what it was about and then going further.  

 Certainly people have experience with the meditation to study. The Domes it 
seems are fabulous activated places to meditate. In fact they have been a 
treasure trove to conduct science research in.  Putting the organization and 
some of its personality and antics aside the research is currently still the 
case ongoing. 

Some of the research has been to study people who describe experiencing higher 
states of consciousness/presence.  From the standpoint of applying science 
research the ‘number one’ category of description becomes relevant to finding 
the subject. There quite evidently is a reality to it.  -JaiGuruYou 

 

 emily.mae50 writes:

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I couldn't find any shiny people, except for John Hagelin.  He's pretty shiny. 
 This caught my eye from 2008. 

 http://www.invincibleamerica.org/emailing/2008_10_26.html 
http://www.invincibleamerica.org/emailing/2008_10_26.html
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 For some years a daily feature of the Invincible America Assembly meditation 
(IAA) in the Domes is to break mid-morning for a few minutes and have people 
share what came to be dubbed their ‘number one’ experience from their 
meditation practice or as result of the practice. These are self described 
experiences.  People can come up to the microphone to relate their experience 
if they wish to and some acknowledgement and commentary is given by Bevan or 
other ™-Sidhis admins. 
 

 The course of personal experiences that people choose to share can range. 
Through time there has developed a jargon relevant to the participants that is 
come out of the process.  
 

 Participants on the assembly can like the sharing and comments a lot and be 
enthusiastic about it as a feature of the assembly. It serves as a type of 
discernment or clarifying about people’s experiences in these long meditations 
of the IAA. It works as a type of checking process for folks on the program.   
 

 As context, take a look around the IAA web page.  The “Assembly” has been an 
ongoing meditation program for over a decade now. Some people look pretty shiny 
for being attenders in the Domes and their experiences evidently can reflect 
that.  http://www.invincibleamerica.org/ http://www.invincibleamerica.org/
 

 

 yifuxero writes:

 

 A numbering system is problematic given the large numbers of Traditions, each 
with its own set of priorities. An easy solution to the philosophical problem 
of "Awakening" vs relative experiences:  simply erase the vs and insert "and".  
Problem solved.
 

 In early Jewish mysticism (100 BCE - 1000 CE), the highest priority among many 
pioneers was a "Throne of God" experience: a vision of the Throne of God 
(YHVH), or an astral projection ascent to that "realm" of existence.  This goal 
seems to leave out the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vying for #1 Spiritual Experiences..

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The discernment of  Number One Experiences generally gets programmed into three 
levels of experience as they are told and then commented on. 

 Yeah, and that dang Joseph at Cupertino always was an attention getter trying 
to be special, a real pain in the ass in the monastery community.  Levitation 
practice here is not in itself necessarily programmed as a number one spiritual 
experience. 
 

 yifuxero writes:

 

 Any accounts of levitation?
 

 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Cupertino#/media/File:San_Giuseppe_da_Copertino_si_eleva_in_volo_alla_vista_della_Basilica_di_Loreto.jpg
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Cupertino#/media/File:San_Giuseppe_da_Copertino_si_eleva_in_volo_alla_vista_della_Basilica_di_Loreto.jpg
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Something quite fair to admire about the meditation Assembly is that like most 
other projects that Maharishi undertook he used the facility of the project to 
have scientists conduct science research in to the effects of meditation.  From 
the beginning of the IAA that too has been going on all along with research on 
individuals and research on the collective of the Assembly.  

 
 Quite a lot of advancement has been made in replication of previous study. 
That has been a large part of what it was about and then going further.  

 Certainly people have experience with the meditation to study. The Domes it 
seems are fabulous activated places to meditate. In fact they have been a 
treasure trove to conduct science research in.  Putting the organization and 
some of its personality and antics aside the research is currently still the 
case ongoing. 

Some of the research has been to study people who describe experiencing higher 
states of consciousness/presence.  From the standpoint of applying science 
research the ‘number one’ category of description becomes relevant to finding 
the subject. There quite evidently is a reality to it.  -JaiGuruYou 

 

 emily.mae50 writes:

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I couldn't find any shiny people, except for John Hagelin.  He's pretty shiny. 
 This caught my eye from 2008. 

 http://www.invincibleamerica.org/emailing/2008_10_26.html 
http://www.invincibleamerica.org/emailing/2008_10_26.html
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 For some years a daily feature of the Invincible America Assembly meditation 
(IAA) in the Domes is to break mid-morning for a few minutes and have people 
share what came to be dubbed their ‘number one’ experience from their 
meditation practice or as result of the practice. These are self described 
experiences.  People can come up to the microphone to relate their experience 
if they wish to and some acknowledgement and commentary is given by Bevan or 
other ™-Sidhis admins. 
 

 The course of personal experiences that people choose to share can range. 
Through time there has developed a jargon relevant to the participants that is 
come out of the process.  
 

 Participants on the assembly can like the sharing and comments a lot and be 
enthusiastic about it as a feature of the assembly. It serves as a type of 
discernment or clarifying about people’s experiences in these long meditations 
of the IAA. It works as a type of checking process for folks on the program.   
 

 As context, take a look around the IAA web page.  The “Assembly” has been an 
ongoing meditation program for over a decade now. Some people look pretty shiny 
for being attenders in the Domes and their experiences evidently can reflect 
that.  http://www.invincibleamerica.org/ http://www.invincibleamerica.org/
 

 

 yifuxero writes:

 

 A numbering system is problematic given the large numbers of Traditions, each 
with its own set of priorities. An easy solution to the philosophical problem 
of "Awakening" vs relative experiences:  simply erase the vs and insert "and".  
Problem solved.
 

 In early Jewish mysticism (100 BCE - 1000 CE), the highest priority among many 
pioneers was a "Throne of God" experience: a vision of the Throne of God 
(YHVH), or an astral projection ascent to that "realm" of existence.  This goal 
seems to leave out the "Awakening" part, involving ultimate Gnosis of the Ein 
Sof (Jewish term for the Ground of Being), but this as a concept seems to have 
been tacked on to the later body of  Jewish mystics.  Thus (my conclusion), 
most of the mystics in this tradition failed to integrate Awakening with "an 
experience" (i.e. ascent to the Throne of YHVH).
 

 The Christian Throne of God experience simply adds Jesus to one's vision of 
YHVH (although there are no accounts of seeing the "Face" of YHVH).
 

 In the Sant Mat Tradition, dualistic out of body travel is the method of 
ascent uttimately to a form of Samadhi by hooking a ride onto the celestial 
Sound Current(s).  Accounts of such experiences appear to match MMY's "GC".
 To conclude, prioritizing 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vying for #1 Spiritual Experiences..

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Cupertino#/media/File:San_Giuseppe_da_Copertino_si_eleva_in_volo_alla_vista_della_Basilica_di_Loreto.jpg
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Cupertino#/media/File:San_Giuseppe_da_Copertino_si_eleva_in_volo_alla_vista_della_Basilica_di_Loreto.jpg
 

 

 Any accounts of levitation?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vying for #1 Spiritual Experiences..

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

 

 Hagelin's jyotish chart shows he has the Moon in the 7th house.  Thus, his 
facial feature is rounded like the Moon.  Nonetheless, the Moon shines too, 
although more noticeable at night.  The Moon is also the 5th lord which aspects 
his first house, representing the body.  As such, he has acquired a very keen 
mind, which is reflected in his educational accomplishments--with a PHD no 
less.  By any stretch of the imagination, he is a very bright person--a shiny 
one.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 I couldn't find any shiny people, except for John Hagelin.  He's pretty shiny. 
 This caught my eye from 2008. 

 http://www.invincibleamerica.org/emailing/2008_10_26.html 
http://www.invincibleamerica.org/emailing/2008_10_26.html
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 For some years a daily feature of the Invincible America Assembly meditation 
(IAA) in the Domes is to break mid-morning for a few minutes and have people 
share what came to be dubbed their ‘number one’ experience from their 
meditation practice or as result of the practice. These are self described 
experiences.  People can come up to the microphone to relate their experience 
if they wish to and some acknowledgement and commentary is given by Bevan or 
other ™-Sidhis admins. 
 

 The course of personal experiences that people choose to share can range. 
Through time there has developed a jargon relevant to the participants that is 
come out of the process.  
 

 Participants on the assembly can like the sharing and comments a lot and be 
enthusiastic about it as a feature of the assembly. It serves as a type of 
discernment or clarifying about people’s experiences in these long meditations 
of the IAA. It works as a type of checking process for folks on the program.   
 

 As context, take a look around the IAA web page.  The “Assembly” has been an 
ongoing meditation program for over a decade now. Some people look pretty shiny 
for being attenders in the Domes and their experiences evidently can reflect 
that.  http://www.invincibleamerica.org/ http://www.invincibleamerica.org/
 

 

 yifuxero writes:

 

 A numbering system is problematic given the large numbers of Traditions, each 
with its own set of priorities. An easy solution to the philosophical problem 
of "Awakening" vs relative experiences:  simply erase the vs and insert "and".  
Problem solved.
 

 In early Jewish mysticism (100 BCE - 1000 CE), the highest priority among many 
pioneers was a "Throne of God" experience: a vision of the Throne of God 
(YHVH), or an astral projection ascent to that "realm" of existence.  This goal 
seems to leave out the "Awakening" part, involving ultimate Gnosis of the Ein 
Sof (Jewish term for the Ground of Being), but this as a concept seems to have 
been tacked on to the later body of  Jewish mystics.  Thus (my conclusion), 
most of the mystics in this tradition failed to integrate Awakening with "an 
experience" (i.e. ascent to the Throne of YHVH).
 

 The Christian Throne of God experience simply adds Jesus to one's vision of 
YHVH (although there are no accounts of seeing the "Face" of YHVH).
 

 In the Sant Mat Tradition, dualistic out of body travel is the method of 
ascent uttimately to a form of Samadhi by hooking a ride onto the celestial 
Sound Current(s).  Accounts of such experiences appear to match MMY's "GC".
 To conclude, prioritizing experiences can't - at the present stage of human 
evolution - come to a definitive set of agreements, but some progress can be 
made by selecting individual Traditions having their own goals. Then you 
decide. Throne of God pics...
 
https://www.google.com/search?q=throne+of+god=1920=935=isch=t4cmi3m6updTIM%253A%253Bt3OankaelUD_MM%253Bhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fforum.supercell.com%25252Fshowthread.php%25252F655455-Throne-of-God-An-Anti-3-Star-War-Base=iu=m=t4cmi3m6updTIM%253A%252Ct3OankaelUD_MM%252C_=__dIvfY8bmSVCRhKlUE96_mLQ5IVE%3D=0ahUKEwjfyaiP9ZrSAhWpilQKHdUwAFAQyjcIMw=QeioWJ-lAamV0gLV4YCABQ#imgrc=t4cmi3m6updTIM:
 
https://www.google.com/search?q=throne+of+god=1920=935=isch=t4cmi3m6updTIM%253A%253Bt3OankaelUD_MM%253Bhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fforum.supercell.com%25252Fshowthread.php%25252F655455-Throne-of-God-An-Anti-3-Star-War-Base=iu=m=t4cmi3m6updTIM%253A%252Ct3OankaelUD_MM%252C_=__dIvfY8bmSVCRhKlUE96_mLQ5IVE%3D=0ahUKEwjfyaiP9ZrSAhWpilQKHdUwAFAQyjcIMw=QeioWJ-lAamV0gLV4YCABQ#imgrc=t4cmi3m6updTIM:
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Some awakened olderTM’ers reflecting..

 

 ‘Number One experiences’, has become an unfortunate emphasis on a person 
having experiences rather than waking up. Combine that with no verification 
system and it has the making of getting people distracted while sitting in a 
place dedicated to supreme knowledge. They recognize the issue but have not 
found a solution yet.
 

 



  




 
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vying for #1 Spiritual Experiences..

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

 Something quite fair to admire about the meditation Assembly is that like most 
other projects that Maharishi undertook he used the facility of the project to 
have scientists conduct science research in to the effects of meditation.  From 
the beginning of the IAA that too has been going on all along with research on 
individuals and research on the collective of the Assembly.  

 Quite a lot of advancement has been made in replication of previous study. 
That has been a large part of what it was about and then going further.  

 Certainly people have experience with the meditation to study. The Domes it 
seems are fabulous activated places to meditate. In fact they have been a 
treasure trove to conduct science research in.  Putting the organization and 
some of its personality and antics aside the research is currently still the 
case ongoing. 

Some of the research has been to study people who describe experiencing higher 
states of consciousness/presence.  From the standpoint of applying science 
research the ‘number one’ category of description becomes relevant to finding 
the subject. There quite evidently is a reality to it.  -JaiGuruYou 

 

 emily.mae50 writes:

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I couldn't find any shiny people, except for John Hagelin.  He's pretty shiny. 
 This caught my eye from 2008. 

 http://www.invincibleamerica.org/emailing/2008_10_26.html 
http://www.invincibleamerica.org/emailing/2008_10_26.html
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 For some years a daily feature of the Invincible America Assembly meditation 
(IAA) in the Domes is to break mid-morning for a few minutes and have people 
share what came to be dubbed their ‘number one’ experience from their 
meditation practice or as result of the practice. These are self described 
experiences.  People can come up to the microphone to relate their experience 
if they wish to and some acknowledgement and commentary is given by Bevan or 
other ™-Sidhis admins. 
 

 The course of personal experiences that people choose to share can range. 
Through time there has developed a jargon relevant to the participants that is 
come out of the process.  
 

 Participants on the assembly can like the sharing and comments a lot and be 
enthusiastic about it as a feature of the assembly. It serves as a type of 
discernment or clarifying about people’s experiences in these long meditations 
of the IAA. It works as a type of checking process for folks on the program.   
 

 As context, take a look around the IAA web page.  The “Assembly” has been an 
ongoing meditation program for over a decade now. Some people look pretty shiny 
for being attenders in the Domes and their experiences evidently can reflect 
that.  http://www.invincibleamerica.org/ http://www.invincibleamerica.org/
 

 

 yifuxero writes:

 

 A numbering system is problematic given the large numbers of Traditions, each 
with its own set of priorities. An easy solution to the philosophical problem 
of "Awakening" vs relative experiences:  simply erase the vs and insert "and".  
Problem solved.
 

 In early Jewish mysticism (100 BCE - 1000 CE), the highest priority among many 
pioneers was a "Throne of God" experience: a vision of the Throne of God 
(YHVH), or an astral projection ascent to that "realm" of existence.  This goal 
seems to leave out the "Awakening" part, involving ultimate Gnosis of the Ein 
Sof (Jewish term for the Ground of Being), but this as a concept seems to have 
been tacked on to the later body of  Jewish mystics.  Thus (my conclusion), 
most of the mystics in this tradition failed to integrate Awakening with "an 
experience" (i.e. ascent to the Throne of YHVH).
 

 The Christian Throne of God experience simply adds Jesus to one's vision of 
YHVH (although there are no accounts of seeing the "Face" of YHVH).
 

 In the Sant Mat Tradition, dualistic out of body travel is the method of 
ascent uttimately to a form of Samadhi by hooking a ride onto the celestial 
Sound Current(s).  Accounts of such experiences appear to match MMY's "GC".
 To conclude, prioritizing experiences can't - at the present stage of human 
evolution - come to a definitive set of agreements, but some progress can be 
made by selecting individual Traditions having their own goals. Then you 
decide. Throne of God pics...
 
https://www.google.com/search?q=throne+of+god=1920=935=isch=t4cmi3m6updTIM%253A%253Bt3OankaelUD_MM%253Bhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fforum.supercell.com%25252Fshowthread.php%25252F655455-Throne-of-God-An-Anti-3-Star-War-Base=iu=m=t4cmi3m6updTIM%253A%252Ct3OankaelUD_MM%252C_=__dIvfY8bmSVCRhKlUE96_mLQ5IVE%3D=0ahUKEwjfyaiP9ZrSAhWpilQKHdUwAFAQyjcIMw=QeioWJ-lAamV0gLV4YCABQ#imgrc=t4cmi3m6updTIM:
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vying for #1 Spiritual Experiences..

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I couldn't find any shiny people, except for John Hagelin.  He's pretty shiny.  
This caught my eye from 2008. 

 http://www.invincibleamerica.org/emailing/2008_10_26.html 
http://www.invincibleamerica.org/emailing/2008_10_26.html
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 For some years a daily feature of the Invincible America Assembly meditation 
(IAA) in the Domes is to break mid-morning for a few minutes and have people 
share what came to be dubbed their ‘number one’ experience from their 
meditation practice or as result of the practice. These are self described 
experiences.  People can come up to the microphone to relate their experience 
if they wish to and some acknowledgement and commentary is given by Bevan or 
other ™-Sidhis admins. 
 

 The course of personal experiences that people choose to share can range. 
Through time there has developed a jargon relevant to the participants that is 
come out of the process.  
 

 Participants on the assembly can like the sharing and comments a lot and be 
enthusiastic about it as a feature of the assembly. It serves as a type of 
discernment or clarifying about people’s experiences in these long meditations 
of the IAA. It works as a type of checking process for folks on the program.   
 

 As context, take a look around the IAA web page.  The “Assembly” has been an 
ongoing meditation program for over a decade now. Some people look pretty shiny 
for being attenders in the Domes and their experiences evidently can reflect 
that.  http://www.invincibleamerica.org/ http://www.invincibleamerica.org/
 

 

 yifuxero writes:

 

 A numbering system is problematic given the large numbers of Traditions, each 
with its own set of priorities. An easy solution to the philosophical problem 
of "Awakening" vs relative experiences:  simply erase the vs and insert "and".  
Problem solved.
 

 In early Jewish mysticism (100 BCE - 1000 CE), the highest priority among many 
pioneers was a "Throne of God" experience: a vision of the Throne of God 
(YHVH), or an astral projection ascent to that "realm" of existence.  This goal 
seems to leave out the "Awakening" part, involving ultimate Gnosis of the Ein 
Sof (Jewish term for the Ground of Being), but this as a concept seems to have 
been tacked on to the later body of  Jewish mystics.  Thus (my conclusion), 
most of the mystics in this tradition failed to integrate Awakening with "an 
experience" (i.e. ascent to the Throne of YHVH).
 

 The Christian Throne of God experience simply adds Jesus to one's vision of 
YHVH (although there are no accounts of seeing the "Face" of YHVH).
 

 In the Sant Mat Tradition, dualistic out of body travel is the method of 
ascent uttimately to a form of Samadhi by hooking a ride onto the celestial 
Sound Current(s).  Accounts of such experiences appear to match MMY's "GC".
 To conclude, prioritizing experiences can't - at the present stage of human 
evolution - come to a definitive set of agreements, but some progress can be 
made by selecting individual Traditions having their own goals. Then you 
decide. Throne of God pics...
 
https://www.google.com/search?q=throne+of+god=1920=935=isch=t4cmi3m6updTIM%253A%253Bt3OankaelUD_MM%253Bhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fforum.supercell.com%25252Fshowthread.php%25252F655455-Throne-of-God-An-Anti-3-Star-War-Base=iu=m=t4cmi3m6updTIM%253A%252Ct3OankaelUD_MM%252C_=__dIvfY8bmSVCRhKlUE96_mLQ5IVE%3D=0ahUKEwjfyaiP9ZrSAhWpilQKHdUwAFAQyjcIMw=QeioWJ-lAamV0gLV4YCABQ#imgrc=t4cmi3m6updTIM:
 
https://www.google.com/search?q=throne+of+god=1920=935=isch=t4cmi3m6updTIM%253A%253Bt3OankaelUD_MM%253Bhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fforum.supercell.com%25252Fshowthread.php%25252F655455-Throne-of-God-An-Anti-3-Star-War-Base=iu=m=t4cmi3m6updTIM%253A%252Ct3OankaelUD_MM%252C_=__dIvfY8bmSVCRhKlUE96_mLQ5IVE%3D=0ahUKEwjfyaiP9ZrSAhWpilQKHdUwAFAQyjcIMw=QeioWJ-lAamV0gLV4YCABQ#imgrc=t4cmi3m6updTIM:
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Some awakened olderTM’ers reflecting..

 

 ‘Number One experiences’, has become an unfortunate emphasis on a person 
having experiences rather than waking up. Combine that with no verification 
system and it has the making of getting people distracted while sitting in a 
place dedicated to supreme knowledge. They recognize the issue but have not 
found a solution yet.
 

 



  




 
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vying for #1 Spiritual Experiences..

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 For some years a daily feature of the Invincible America Assembly meditation 
(IAA) in the Domes is to break mid-morning for a few minutes and have people 
share what came to be dubbed their ‘number one’ experience from their 
meditation practice or as result of the practice. These are self described 
experiences.  People can come up to the microphone to relate their experience 
if they wish to and some acknowledgement and commentary is given by Bevan or 
other ™-Sidhis admins. 
 

 The course of personal experiences that people choose to share can range. 
Through time there has developed a jargon relevant to the participants that is 
come out of the process.  
 

 Participants on the assembly can like the sharing and comments a lot and be 
enthusiastic about it as a feature of the assembly. It serves as a type of 
discernment or clarifying about people’s experiences in these long meditations 
of the IAA. It works as a type of checking process for folks on the program.   
 

 As context, take a look around the IAA web page.  The “Assembly” has been an 
ongoing meditation program for over a decade now. Some people look pretty shiny 
for being attenders in the Domes and their experiences evidently can reflect 
that.  http://www.invincibleamerica.org/ http://www.invincibleamerica.org/
 

 

 yifuxero writes:

 

 A numbering system is problematic given the large numbers of Traditions, each 
with its own set of priorities. An easy solution to the philosophical problem 
of "Awakening" vs relative experiences:  simply erase the vs and insert "and".  
Problem solved.
 

 In early Jewish mysticism (100 BCE - 1000 CE), the highest priority among many 
pioneers was a "Throne of God" experience: a vision of the Throne of God 
(YHVH), or an astral projection ascent to that "realm" of existence.  This goal 
seems to leave out the "Awakening" part, involving ultimate Gnosis of the Ein 
Sof (Jewish term for the Ground of Being), but this as a concept seems to have 
been tacked on to the later body of  Jewish mystics.  Thus (my conclusion), 
most of the mystics in this tradition failed to integrate Awakening with "an 
experience" (i.e. ascent to the Throne of YHVH).
 

 The Christian Throne of God experience simply adds Jesus to one's vision of 
YHVH (although there are no accounts of seeing the "Face" of YHVH).
 

 In the Sant Mat Tradition, dualistic out of body travel is the method of 
ascent uttimately to a form of Samadhi by hooking a ride onto the celestial 
Sound Current(s).  Accounts of such experiences appear to match MMY's "GC".
 To conclude, prioritizing experiences can't - at the present stage of human 
evolution - come to a definitive set of agreements, but some progress can be 
made by selecting individual Traditions having their own goals. Then you 
decide. Throne of God pics...
 
https://www.google.com/search?q=throne+of+god=1920=935=isch=t4cmi3m6updTIM%253A%253Bt3OankaelUD_MM%253Bhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fforum.supercell.com%25252Fshowthread.php%25252F655455-Throne-of-God-An-Anti-3-Star-War-Base=iu=m=t4cmi3m6updTIM%253A%252Ct3OankaelUD_MM%252C_=__dIvfY8bmSVCRhKlUE96_mLQ5IVE%3D=0ahUKEwjfyaiP9ZrSAhWpilQKHdUwAFAQyjcIMw=QeioWJ-lAamV0gLV4YCABQ#imgrc=t4cmi3m6updTIM:
 
https://www.google.com/search?q=throne+of+god=1920=935=isch=t4cmi3m6updTIM%253A%253Bt3OankaelUD_MM%253Bhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fforum.supercell.com%25252Fshowthread.php%25252F655455-Throne-of-God-An-Anti-3-Star-War-Base=iu=m=t4cmi3m6updTIM%253A%252Ct3OankaelUD_MM%252C_=__dIvfY8bmSVCRhKlUE96_mLQ5IVE%3D=0ahUKEwjfyaiP9ZrSAhWpilQKHdUwAFAQyjcIMw=QeioWJ-lAamV0gLV4YCABQ#imgrc=t4cmi3m6updTIM:
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Some awakened olderTM’ers reflecting..

 

 ‘Number One experiences’, has become an unfortunate emphasis on a person 
having experiences rather than waking up. Combine that with no verification 
system and it has the making of getting people distracted while sitting in a 
place dedicated to supreme knowledge. They recognize the issue but have not 
found a solution yet.
 

 



  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vying for #1 Spiritual Experiences..

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

A numbering system is problematic given the large numbers of Traditions, each 
with its own set of priorities. An easy solution to the philosophical problem 
of "Awakening" vs relative experiences:  simply erase the vs and insert "and".  
Problem solved.
 

 In early Jewish mysticism (100 BCE - 1000 CE), the highest priority among many 
pioneers was a "Throne of God" experience: a vision of the Throne of God 
(YHVH), or an astral projection ascent to that "realm" of existence.  This goal 
seems to leave out the "Awakening" part, involving ultimate Gnosis of the Ein 
Sof (Jewish term for the Ground of Being), but this as a concept seems to have 
been tacked on to the later body of  Jewish mystics.  Thus (my conclusion), 
most of the mystics in this tradition failed to integrate Awakening with "an 
experience" (i.e. ascent to the Throne of YHVH).
 

 The Christian Throne of God experience simply adds Jesus to one's vision of 
YHVH (although there are no accounts of seeing the "Face" of YHVH).
 

 In the Sant Mat Tradition, dualistic out of body travel is the method of 
ascent uttimately to a form of Samadhi by hooking a ride onto the celestial 
Sound Current(s).  Accounts of such experiences appear to match MMY's "GC".
 To conclude, prioritizing experiences can't - at the present stage of human 
evolution - come to a definitive set of agreements, but some progress can be 
made by selecting individual Traditions having their own goals. Then you 
decide. Throne of God pics...
 
https://www.google.com/search?q=throne+of+god=1920=935=isch=t4cmi3m6updTIM%253A%253Bt3OankaelUD_MM%253Bhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fforum.supercell.com%25252Fshowthread.php%25252F655455-Throne-of-God-An-Anti-3-Star-War-Base=iu=m=t4cmi3m6updTIM%253A%252Ct3OankaelUD_MM%252C_=__dIvfY8bmSVCRhKlUE96_mLQ5IVE%3D=0ahUKEwjfyaiP9ZrSAhWpilQKHdUwAFAQyjcIMw=QeioWJ-lAamV0gLV4YCABQ#imgrc=t4cmi3m6updTIM:
 
https://www.google.com/search?q=throne+of+god=1920=935=isch=t4cmi3m6updTIM%253A%253Bt3OankaelUD_MM%253Bhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fforum.supercell.com%25252Fshowthread.php%25252F655455-Throne-of-God-An-Anti-3-Star-War-Base=iu=m=t4cmi3m6updTIM%253A%252Ct3OankaelUD_MM%252C_=__dIvfY8bmSVCRhKlUE96_mLQ5IVE%3D=0ahUKEwjfyaiP9ZrSAhWpilQKHdUwAFAQyjcIMw=QeioWJ-lAamV0gLV4YCABQ#imgrc=t4cmi3m6updTIM: