[FairfieldLife] Re: Walker abolishes Unions/was-Hitler abolishes unions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wgm4u@... wrote: Don't cha wish?!! Billy, Billy, Billy Given all the shit you've given me for my supposed playboy ways over the years, I've just got to ask. You're saying that cherry busting is Bad, but union busting is Good. Did I get that right? :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: May 1933: Hitler abolishes unions -- On May 2nd, 1933, the day after Labor day, Nazi groups occupied union halls and labor leaders were arrested. Trade Unions were outlawed by Adolf Hitler, while collective bargaining and the right to strike was abolished. This was the beginning of a consolidation of power by the fascist regime which systematically wiped out all opposition groups, starting with unions, liberals, socialists, and communists using Himmler's state police. Fast forward to America today, particularly Wisconsin. Governor Walker and the Republican/Tea Party members of the state legislature are attempting to pass a bill that would not only severely punish public unions (with exception for the police, fire, and state trooper unions that supported his campaign), but it would effectively end 50 years to the right of these workers to collectively bargain. Collective bargaining is a process of voluntary negotiations between employers and trade unions aimed at reaching agreements which regulate working conditions. Collective agreements usually set out wage scales, working hours, training, health and safety, overtime, grievance mechanisms and rights to participate in workplace or company affairs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_bargaining http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_bargaining First of all, assaulting the rights of workers to collectively bargain has absolutely nothing to do with any immediate budgetary issues. It does however have everything to do with ending one of the basic rights of labor to organize. Second, and more importantly, the budget crisis in Wisconsin is both exaggerated and created in part by the new Republican power base as a tool to attack political opponents. Walker decreased state revenue when he enacted tax cuts for the rich and big corporations, who are not surprisingly large campaign donors for his political campaign. To the extent that there is an imbalance Walker claims there is a $137 million deficit it is not because of a drop in revenues or increases in the cost of state employee contracts, benefits or pensions. It is because Walker and his allies pushed through $140 million in new spending for special-interest groups in January. If the Legislature were simply to rescind Walker's new spending schemes or delay their implementation until they are offset by fresh revenues the crisis would not exist. -The Cap Times: http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/editorial/article_61064e9a-27b0-\ 5f28-b6d1-a57c8b2aaaf6.html http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/editorial/article_61064e9a-27b0\ -5f28-b6d1-a57c8b2aaaf6.html Decimating unions has long been an objective of the rich and powerful. Growing out of trade guilds in Medieval Europe, they were banned starting with the Ordinance of Labourers 1349 and Statute of Labourers in England. It was not until the Industrial Revolution that labor began to organize again. -continue reading: http://newsjunkiepost.com/2011/02/20/may-1933-hitler-abolishes-unions/ http://newsjunkiepost.com/2011/02/20/may-1933-hitler-abolishes-unions/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walker abolishes Unions/was-Hitler abolishes unions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wgm4u@... wrote: Don't cha wish?!! Over time, organized labor managed to abolish child labor all together, as well as institute an 8 hour work day, 40 hour work week, mandatory breaks, safety guidelines, grievance procedures, a minimum wage, the concept of a work free weekend, workers comp, pensions, health safeguards, and paid sick days, vacation days, and holidays. If you enjoy any of these things, thank a union member. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: May 1933: Hitler abolishes unions -- On May 2nd, 1933, the day after Labor day, Nazi groups occupied union halls and labor leaders were arrested. Trade Unions were outlawed by Adolf Hitler, while collective bargaining and the right to strike was abolished. This was the beginning of a consolidation of power by the fascist regime which systematically wiped out all opposition groups, starting with unions, liberals, socialists, and communists using Himmler's state police. Fast forward to America today, particularly Wisconsin. Governor Walker and the Republican/Tea Party members of the state legislature are attempting to pass a bill that would not only severely punish public unions (with exception for the police, fire, and state trooper unions that supported his campaign), but it would effectively end 50 years to the right of these workers to collectively bargain. Collective bargaining is a process of voluntary negotiations between employers and trade unions aimed at reaching agreements which regulate working conditions. Collective agreements usually set out wage scales, working hours, training, health and safety, overtime, grievance mechanisms and rights to participate in workplace or company affairs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_bargaining http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_bargaining First of all, assaulting the rights of workers to collectively bargain has absolutely nothing to do with any immediate budgetary issues. It does however have everything to do with ending one of the basic rights of labor to organize. Second, and more importantly, the budget crisis in Wisconsin is both exaggerated and created in part by the new Republican power base as a tool to attack political opponents. Walker decreased state revenue when he enacted tax cuts for the rich and big corporations, who are not surprisingly large campaign donors for his political campaign. To the extent that there is an imbalance Walker claims there is a $137 million deficit it is not because of a drop in revenues or increases in the cost of state employee contracts, benefits or pensions. It is because Walker and his allies pushed through $140 million in new spending for special-interest groups in January. If the Legislature were simply to rescind Walker's new spending schemes or delay their implementation until they are offset by fresh revenues the crisis would not exist. -The Cap Times: http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/editorial/article_61064e9a-27b0-\ 5f28-b6d1-a57c8b2aaaf6.html http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/editorial/article_61064e9a-27b0\ -5f28-b6d1-a57c8b2aaaf6.html Decimating unions has long been an objective of the rich and powerful. Growing out of trade guilds in Medieval Europe, they were banned starting with the Ordinance of Labourers 1349 and Statute of Labourers in England. It was not until the Industrial Revolution that labor began to organize again. -continue reading: http://newsjunkiepost.com/2011/02/20/may-1933-hitler-abolishes-unions/ http://newsjunkiepost.com/2011/02/20/may-1933-hitler-abolishes-unions/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walker abolishes Unions/was-Hitler abolishes unions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wgm4u@ wrote: Don't cha wish?!! Billy, Billy, Billy Given all the shit you've given me for my supposed playboy ways over the years, I've just got to ask. You're saying that cherry busting is Bad, but union busting is Good. Did I get that right? :-) In the context of Love and Marriage 'cherry busting' (GMAB), as you put it, is in keeping with the laws of Nature and Evolution. The purpose of sex is to create angelic children and adults. Sex was not meant to be a machinery of entertainment ..don't know who said that, I guess I did! :-) Union busting is allowed under God's Law Section 2:4Union Busting.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walker abolishes Unions/was-Hitler abolishes unions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wgm4u@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wgm4u@ wrote: Don't cha wish?!! Billy, Billy, Billy Given all the shit you've given me for my supposed playboy ways over the years, I've just got to ask. You're saying that cherry busting is Bad, but union busting is Good. Did I get that right? :-) Sex was not meant to be a machinery of entertainment ..don't know who said that, I guess I did! :-) If sex doesn't scare the cat and incite your neighbors to pound on the walls, you're not doing it right. I said that. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walker abolishes Unions/was-Hitler abolishes unions
(This may be a quasi-duplicate--I think my first try may not have gone through.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wgm4u@ wrote: Don't cha wish?!! Over time, organized labor managed to abolish child labor all together, as well as institute an 8 hour work day, 40 hour work week, mandatory breaks, safety guidelines, grievance procedures, a minimum wage, the concept of a work free weekend, workers comp, pensions, health safeguards, and paid sick days, vacation days, and holidays. If you enjoy any of these things, thank a union member. Plus which, the labor movement is the only significant organized body to advocate for the interests of the wage-earning class against those of the investor class-- not just in terms of work rules but in terms of civil and economic rights in general. And that's why conservatives (and business-friendly Democrats) want to do away with unions. The struggle in Wisconsin isn't about budget concerns. It's about the forces of corporatocracy and the wealthy trying to pry the fingers of the labor movement loose from the edge of the cliff. In an excellent Mother Jones article, Plutocracy Now-- What Wisconsin Is Really About: How Screwing Unions Screws the Entire Middle Class, Kevin Drum notes that the labor movement is so important because politicians don't respond to the concerns of voters, they respond to the organized muscle of institutions that represent them. With labor in decline, both parties now respond strongly to the interests of the rich--whose institutional representation is deep and energetic--and barely at all to the interests of the working and middle classes. http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-labor-union-decline http://tinyurl.com/6z9ftad This is what's at stake in Wisconsin. This is why Rasmussen wants to minimize its significance.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walker abolishes Unions/was-Hitler abolishes unions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Given all the shit you've given me for my supposed playboy ways over the years, I've just got to ask. And you wonder why you've gotten so much shit over the years for being a playboy? Maybe your below quote has something to do with it, ya think? If sex doesn't scare the cat and incite your neighbors to pound on the walls, you're not doing it right. I said that. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walker abolishes Unions/was-Hitler abolishes unions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: Plus which, the labor movement is the only significant organized body to advocate for the interests of the wage-earning class against those of the investor class-- not just in terms of work rules but in terms of civil and economic rights in general. And that's why conservatives (and business-friendly Democrats) want to do away with unions. The struggle in Wisconsin isn't about budget concerns. It's about the forces of corporatocracy and the wealthy trying to pry the fingers of the labor movement loose from the edge of the cliff. In an excellent Mother Jones article, Plutocracy Now-- What Wisconsin Is Really About: How Screwing Unions Screws the Entire Middle Class, Kevin Drum notes that the labor movement is so important because politicians don't respond to the concerns of voters, they respond to the organized muscle of institutions that represent them. With labor in decline, both parties now respond strongly to the interests of the rich--whose institutional representation is deep and energetic--and barely at all to the interests of the working and middle classes. It's pretty simple Judy, Public Unions (not Private Unions) enable the State to *launder* money directly from the tax payer to the Democart Party through Union dues dictated by mandatory collective bargaining. (Unions donate overwhelmingly to Democrats) The *pay bosses* of the Democrats are the Public Sector Unions, hence you see the sheepish Democrats in Wisconsin buckling under to their Union Bosses wishes, what a foolish display of hubris. The election in November clearly demonstrated the trend of the State in spite of what you think of Rasmussen's 'spat' comment (big deal).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walker abolishes Unions/was-Hitler abolishes unions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wgm4u@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Plus which, the labor movement is the only significant organized body to advocate for the interests of the wage-earning class against those of the investor class-- not just in terms of work rules but in terms of civil and economic rights in general. And that's why conservatives (and business-friendly Democrats) want to do away with unions. The struggle in Wisconsin isn't about budget concerns. It's about the forces of corporatocracy and the wealthy trying to pry the fingers of the labor movement loose from the edge of the cliff. In an excellent Mother Jones article, Plutocracy Now-- What Wisconsin Is Really About: How Screwing Unions Screws the Entire Middle Class, Kevin Drum notes that the labor movement is so important because politicians don't respond to the concerns of voters, they respond to the organized muscle of institutions that represent them. With labor in decline, both parties now respond strongly to the interests of the rich--whose institutional representation is deep and energetic--and barely at all to the interests of the working and middle classes. It's pretty simple Judy, Public Unions (not Private Unions) enable the State to *launder* money directly from the tax payer to the Democart Party The Democart Party? Is that some new third party? I hadn't heard of it. through Union dues dictated by mandatory collective bargaining. (Unions donate overwhelmingly to Democrats) The *pay bosses* of the Democrats are the Public Sector Unions, hence you see the sheepish Democrats in Wisconsin buckling under to their Union Bosses wishes, what a foolish display of hubris. I believe you need to look up the meaning of hubris in Mr. Dictionary. And did you have any comments on my post? The election in November clearly demonstrated the trend of the State Walker gave no indication he was going to attempt to take collective bargaining rights from the unions, so I'm afraid you can't say anybody voted for this. in spite of what you think of Rasmussen's 'spat' comment (big deal). It's a HUGE deal. Similar bills are pending or being proposed in several other states by conservative governors and legislators. If Walker wins this one, they'll be emboldened to press forward.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walker abolishes Unions/was-Hitler abolishes unions
wgm4u: And you wonder why you've gotten so much shit over the years for being a playboy? Maybe your below quote has something to do with it, ya think? Well, let's hope that Turq isn't pulling an Asange over there and breaking his condom and knocking up anymore Swedish women. We don't need any more bastard children running around on welfare. Calling Barry Wright - report to the free clinic immediately! Assange has denied the allegations of sexual abuse that were brought against him by two Swedish women last August. He was held in a London jail in early December and released on bail one week later... Christian Science Monitor, February 7, 2011 http://tinyurl.com/4nwbwwu If sex doesn't scare the cat and incite your neighbors to pound on the walls, you're not doing it right. I said that. :-) Cut the crap, Wright, Everyone knows that as a single guy living in an apartment with four other guys, you probably get laid maybe once a year, if that. You probably haven't had a Shakti in a decade or more.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walker abolishes Unions/was-Hitler abolishes unions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote: wgm4u: And you wonder why you've gotten so much shit over the years for being a playboy? Maybe your below quote has something to do with it, ya think? Well, let's hope that Turq isn't pulling an Asange over there and breaking his condom and knocking up anymore Swedish women. We don't need any more bastard children running around on welfare. Calling Barry Wright - report to the free clinic immediately! Ha, ha, I wonder if his 'little blue pills' are holding up? Hey, Turq, BTW is Viagra free over there?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walker abolishes Unions/was-Hitler abolishes unions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@... wrote: Over time, organized labor managed to abolish child labor all together, as well as institute an 8 hour work day, 40 hour work week, mandatory breaks, safety guidelines, grievance procedures, a minimum wage, the concept of a work free weekend, workers comp, pensions, health safeguards, and paid sick days, vacation days, and holidays. If you enjoy any of these things, thank a union member. I don't think *Public Unions* accomplished *ANY* of those things!! Primarily it was *Private Unions* who did all of this years ago. All public unions have done is benefit from it, they're phonies..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walker abolishes Unions/was-Hitler abolishes unions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u wgm4u@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Over time, organized labor managed to abolish child labor all together, as well as institute an 8 hour work day, 40 hour work week, mandatory breaks, safety guidelines, grievance procedures, a minimum wage, the concept of a work free weekend, workers comp, pensions, health safeguards, and paid sick days, vacation days, and holidays. If you enjoy any of these things, thank a union member. I don't think *Public Unions* accomplished *ANY* of those things!! Primarily it was *Private Unions* who did all of this years ago. All public unions have done is benefit from it, they're phonies.. Why do you have such hostility toward public workers, BillyG? The Wisconsin and Ohio public workers make far less than private workers of the same educational level : Wisconsin, Ohio public employees are not overpaid Contrary to conventional wisdom that public employees across our nation are collecting bigger paychecks than their counterparts in the private sector, the Economic Policy Institute has found http://www.epi.org/economic_snapshots/entry/wisconsin_public_servants_a\ lready_face_a_compensation_penalty/ quite the contrary. That's true in Wisconsin and Ohio, which have become the latest battle fronts in the right-wing's 65-year-long effort to gut the legal collective bargaining rights of Americans that were established after decades of bloody struggle during the New Deal. In Wisconsin, which has become a focal point in this debate, public servants already take a pretty hefty pay cut just for the opportunity to serve their communities ... The figure below shows that when comparing the total compensation (which includes non-wage benefits such as health care and pensions) of workers with similar education, public-sector workers consistently make less than their privatesector peers. Workers with a bachelor's degree or morewhich constitute nearly 60% of the state and local workforce in Wisconsinare compensated between $20,000 less (if they just have a bachelor's degree) to over $82,000 a year less (if they have a professional degree, such as in law or medicine). SEE GRAPH: http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac74/JacksonBrown/Economics/wisconsin\ _public_sector.jpg [Photobucket] The deficit that Wisconsin faces is caused by the current economic downturn and the recent tax cut package. It has nothing to do with the compensation of the people that educate our children, keep the streets safe and clean, keep dangerous chemicals out of our water, and keep insurance companies from taking advantage of us. These public servants are already paid less than those in the private sector, and nationally, this gap has actually been increasing over the past few decades ... The situation in Ohio is quite similar. In a rigorous analysis of full-time state and local government workers in Ohio, EPI found that they are undercompensated by 6 percent. The analysts screened for variables including hours of work, organizational size, gender, race, ethnicity, experience, citizenship and disability. Among EPI's findings: On an annual basis, fullâtime state and local workers and school employees are undercompensated by 6.0% in Ohio, in comparison with otherwise similar privateâsector workers. When comparisons are made for differences in annual hours worked, the gap remains, albeit at a smaller percentage of 3.5%. Ohio publicâsector workers are more highly educated than privateâsector workers; 49% of fullâ time publicâsector workers hold at least a fourâyear college degree, compared with 26% in the privateâsector. Ohio's state and local governments and school districts pay collegeâeducated workers 25% less in total compensation, on average, than private employers. In addition to having higher education levels, Ohio state and local government employees, on average, are also more experienced (23.2 years) than their privateâsector counterparts (21.7 years). More here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/21/947132/-Wisconsin,-Ohio-public-\ employees-are-not-overpaid
[FairfieldLife] Re: Walker abolishes Unions/was-Hitler abolishes unions
And you wonder why you've gotten so much shit over the years for being a playboy? Maybe your below quote has something to do with it, ya think? Well, let's hope that Turq isn't pulling an Asange over there and breaking his condom and knocking up anymore Swedish women. We don't need any more bastard children running around on welfare. Calling Barry Wright - report to the free clinic immediately! wgm4u: Ha, ha, I wonder if his 'little blue pills' are holding up? Hey, Turq, BTW is Viagra free over there? Maybe, but I think condoms are available at the free clinic at no charge. Chances are, turq's all alone when it comes to female companionship. I mean, what kind of gal, in their right mind, would want to be around Turq while he's on a laptop computer on the internet for hours every day dialoging with a Judy that's stateside? LoL!
