[FairfieldLife] Re: Why I Continue To Run - Clinton Op-Ed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > > > > I just read most of the "deranged" thread. > > > > > > I avoid the political discussions. These days I think most about what > > > candidate is the one my group can best work with on health care > > > issues. Clinton is the most prepared and most focused on the issues. > > > Obama is aware of the issues and likely will have some focus on health > > > care. McCain is weakest, but he recently came around on some of the > > > HC issues I care about. I think we can work with any of them, but we > > > still truly hope for a democrat because HC is a democrat issue. I can > > > easily and happily live with Clinton or Obama. > > > > > > Now that disclosure is over, I must say that this campaign is filled > > > with blown out of proportion issues, much like the last campaign. > > > Give me an effing break--does anyone really think that Hill meant to > > > create the impression that she is staying in the race because Obama > > > might get whacked? Right, like that wouldn't backfire. > > > > I heard and saw the interview. She had the same tone as her oft used > > claim, "I don't know why they do it,I JUST find it interesting". To me > > it reeked of the oft used, unstated 'connect the dots' -- but I have > > plausible deniability if you do, wink wink. A slimy tactic used by > > many politicians -- but which she has tried to make into an art form > > (but she is a low grade B artist-- unlike Bill -- and I am not sure > > which skill level is more dangerous). > > > > But I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Lets suppose she was not > > pandering to her claimed hardworking white bigoted redneck > > constituency. Lets assume she was innocent as a lamb. Then clearly I > > to not want such a naive, insensitive loose cannon answering the phone > > at 3am. > > > > and btw, didn't it backfire? So add "not very street" to the list > > above -- and I worry that she is even in the Senate. > > > This is exactly what I mean. You put a lot of significance in what > she said so that no matter how you look at it, she f'd up. I just > didn't view it the same way, with the same significance. Keep > in mind, I can take either Clinton or Obama, it doesn't matter much to > me. > If I get your point, its that you value policy over character. As a first level cut, so do I. But I recognize that policy morphs from campaign trail to office. And from office to what gets through congress and conference committee. Character at the high end, is fairly constant. Character on the lower end can be whatever it takes to sell a particular group on a particular day. Or simply a lack thereof. Character, and intelligence, becomes a strong differentiator for me, once policy thresholds are demonstrated. Two candidates with similar policies can be quite different in character. IMO, thats the case in the democratic race. Not a substantial policy dif between the two. But a huge chasm in character, grace under pressure, integrity, and vision. That does make a large difference to me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why I Continue To Run - Clinton Op-Ed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > > I just read most of the "deranged" thread. > > > > I avoid the political discussions. These days I think most about what > > candidate is the one my group can best work with on health care > > issues. Clinton is the most prepared and most focused on the issues. > > Obama is aware of the issues and likely will have some focus on health > > care. McCain is weakest, but he recently came around on some of the > > HC issues I care about. I think we can work with any of them, but we > > still truly hope for a democrat because HC is a democrat issue. I can > > easily and happily live with Clinton or Obama. > > > > Now that disclosure is over, I must say that this campaign is filled > > with blown out of proportion issues, much like the last campaign. > > Give me an effing break--does anyone really think that Hill meant to > > create the impression that she is staying in the race because Obama > > might get whacked? Right, like that wouldn't backfire. > > I heard and saw the interview. She had the same tone as her oft used > claim, "I don't know why they do it,I JUST find it interesting". To me > it reeked of the oft used, unstated 'connect the dots' -- but I have > plausible deniability if you do, wink wink. A slimy tactic used by > many politicians -- but which she has tried to make into an art form > (but she is a low grade B artist-- unlike Bill -- and I am not sure > which skill level is more dangerous). > > But I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Lets suppose she was not > pandering to her claimed hardworking white bigoted redneck > constituency. Lets assume she was innocent as a lamb. Then clearly I > to not want such a naive, insensitive loose cannon answering the phone > at 3am. > > and btw, didn't it backfire? So add "not very street" to the list > above -- and I worry that she is even in the Senate. This is exactly what I mean. You put a lot of significance in what she said so that no matter how you look at it, she f'd up. I just didn't view it the same way, with the same significance. Keep in mind, I can take either Clinton or Obama, it doesn't matter much to me. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why I Continue To Run - Clinton Op-Ed
ruthsimplicity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BTW, my impression from reading the "deranged" thread is that teasing > is going on by one or two of you to get a rise out of a particular > poster. Come on now, admit it. > Oh yea. The two events some are really keyed into. One, when Judy posts out. And two, even more anxiously, when she returns. They Live For This!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why I Continue To Run - Clinton Op-Ed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I just read most of the "deranged" thread. > > I avoid the political discussions. These days I think most about what > candidate is the one my group can best work with on health care > issues. Clinton is the most prepared and most focused on the issues. > Obama is aware of the issues and likely will have some focus on health > care. McCain is weakest, but he recently came around on some of the > HC issues I care about. I think we can work with any of them, but we > still truly hope for a democrat because HC is a democrat issue. I can > easily and happily live with Clinton or Obama. > > Now that disclosure is over, I must say that this campaign is filled > with blown out of proportion issues, much like the last campaign. > Give me an effing break--does anyone really think that Hill meant to > create the impression that she is staying in the race because Obama > might get whacked? Right, like that wouldn't backfire. I heard and saw the interview. She had the same tone as her oft used claim, "I don't know why they do it,I JUST find it interesting". To me it reeked of the oft used, unstated 'connect the dots' -- but I have plausible deniability if you do, wink wink. A slimy tactic used by many politicians -- but which she has tried to make into an art form (but she is a low grade B artist-- unlike Bill -- and I am not sure which skill level is more dangerous). But I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Lets suppose she was not pandering to her claimed hardworking white bigoted redneck constituency. Lets assume she was innocent as a lamb. Then clearly I to not want such a naive, insensitive loose cannon answering the phone at 3am. and btw, didn't it backfire? So add "not very street" to the list above -- and I worry that she is even in the Senate.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why I Continue To Run - Clinton Op-Ed
I just read most of the "deranged" thread. I avoid the political discussions. These days I think most about what candidate is the one my group can best work with on health care issues. Clinton is the most prepared and most focused on the issues. Obama is aware of the issues and likely will have some focus on health care. McCain is weakest, but he recently came around on some of the HC issues I care about. I think we can work with any of them, but we still truly hope for a democrat because HC is a democrat issue. I can easily and happily live with Clinton or Obama. Now that disclosure is over, I must say that this campaign is filled with blown out of proportion issues, much like the last campaign. Give me an effing break--does anyone really think that Hill meant to create the impression that she is staying in the race because Obama might get whacked? Right, like that wouldn't backfire. Everyone seems to want to find something that will support their feelings about what a candidate is "really like." As if each of the leading democrats have some secret agenda. The press is always there, waiting for something to misinterpret. BTW, my impression from reading the "deranged" thread is that teasing is going on by one or two of you to get a rise out of a particular poster. Come on now, admit it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why I Continue To Run - Clinton Op-Ed
Personally, I think that the most appropriate response to this attempt to shift the blame for her fuckup to someone else -- anyone else -- would be to take what she says here literally and call her bluff. That is, all of the remaining uncommitted superdelegates should declare their support for Obama, first thing tomorrow morning. That would shut her up. She wouldn't be able to say a damned thing, having claimed that her goal was to "unite the Democratic party." What, after all, would unite it faster? And the best part would be that she would then *have* to go out and campaign big-time for Obama, the way she has just claimed she would. Watching the look on her face as she did this would be like watching her having to chow down a big plate full of shit, smiling at the cameras as she chews. It's the perfect solution. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > New York Daily News, May 25, 2008 > > This past Friday, during a meeting with a newspaper editorial board, > I was asked about whether I was going to continue in the > presidential race. > > I made clear that I was - and that I thought the urgency to end the > 2008 primary process was unprecedented. I pointed out, as I have > before, that both my husband's primary campaign, and Sen. Robert > Kennedy's, had continued into June. > > Almost immediately, some took my comments entirely out of context > and interpreted them to mean something completely different - and > completely unthinkable. > > I want to set the record straight: I was making the simple point > that given our history, the length of this year's primary contest is > nothing unusual. Both the executive editor of the newspaper where I > made the remarks, and Sen. Kennedy's son, Bobby Kennedy Jr., put out > statements confirming that this was the clear meaning of my remarks. > Bobby stated, "I understand how highly charged the atmosphere is, > but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense." > > I realize that any reference to that traumatic moment for our nation > can be deeply painful - particularly for members of the Kennedy > family, who have been in my heart and prayers over this past week. > And I expressed regret right away for any pain I caused. > > But I was deeply dismayed and disturbed that my comment would be > construed in a way that flies in the face of everything I stand > for - and everything I am fighting for in this election. > > And today, I would like to more fully answer the question I was > asked: Why do I continue to run, even in the face of calls from > pundits and politicians for me to leave this race? > > I am running because I still believe I can win on the merits. > Because, with our economy in crisis, our nation at war, the stakes > have never been higher - and the need for real leadership has never > been greater - and I believe I can provide that leadership. > > I am not unaware of the challenges or the odds of my securing the > nomination - but this race remains extraordinarily close, and > hundreds of thousands of people in upcoming primaries are still > waiting to vote. As I have said so many times over the course of > this primary, if Sen. Obama wins the nomination, I will support him > and work my heart out for him against John McCain. But that has not > happened yet. > > I am running because I believe staying in this race will help unite > the Democratic Party. I believe that if Sen. Obama and I both make > our case - and all Democrats have the chance to make their voices > heard - in the end, everyone will be more likely to rally around the > nominee.
