[FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Dear Emptybill: I just began to read through this post of yours, answering as I went along, not knowing where you would be going. But then I got to our Kentucky Bourbon moment, and the floor kind of gave out from under me. I could go no further. You will see the sudden transition I had to make, a transition which made me reluctant to go beyond the Bourbon. And therefore, somewhat arbitrarily, to ignore the last half of your post. (Read, but not answered; you will see why.) Robin's Message 315852 Robin1: Because, you see, emptybill, my intentions here on FFL, they are far more morally driven than your disgust and aversion to what I am doing. EB2: No disgust, no aversion not even disquiet. Admiration rather, since now I understand. You are just displaying your performance art - although seemingly bereft of quietude or contemplation. In truth, you appear as the blessed bitch of your totem-daimon, like a good and dutiful servant. Why you must certainly see your performances as confessional addendums to Truly, truly, I say unto thee . Aren't they literal prayers to have your efforts recognized as deserving? Robin2: No, Emptybill, I am as interested in quietude and contemplation as you are. I am my own blessed bitch--bitch to myself, that is. Where do you get some sense of a distinct entity/muse other than myself speaking my words? I consider any sources of inspiration other than my own waking state self to be anathema. Especially after experiencing myself 'instrumentally' for those ten years. You seek to impute my motives here to some desperate cry for recognition, or acknowledgement; whereas I view my posting at FFL in strictly selfish terms: I want to clarify and strengthen my own understanding of how my philosophy applies to my life. Fielding the different and clashing points of view on FFL--not to mention the different and clashing personalities (first-person ontology differentials!)--has been experimentally proven to me to be useful for my own--let me genuflect before the East for a moment--evolution. Performance art for the sake of performance art: that does not describe my intention, nor, I believe, Emptybill, if you see how I interact with someone like Share Long, or Emily, or Raunchydog, or PaliGap, or Feste37, my acts here in the form of posts at FFL. Robin1: You don't like it and would have me acting perhaps as a more antic version of Lear's Foolor the cosmic harlequin whose nimble acrobatics are to seduce some would-be inamorato. EB2: Oh not so, not so. (See footnote 1) Robin2: Emptybill, I did not know you were an author. I suppose I will have to see if I can speed-read that book before I say much else, since you obviously have a pretty coherent and carefully-thought out view of reality and the human soul. Of course I cannot know what you mean in your comment here without looking through your book. Would you recommend my reading it? I do think, however, you have hit upon a truth there: I consider enlightenment to be a form of abject slavery. And I am happy to have escaped from the Big Plantation of the Self. Robin1: I conceive of acting in lovehowever differently it is perceived by you and a strong contingent of critics sympathetic to what you have said here. EB2: Isn't this the mark of Plato's true lover? Or is it rather the stamp of a Platonic motherfucker a lost soul coupling with prima materia? Isn't the Dark Lord a better lover of your deity than you? (See note 2) Robin2: Emptybill, I would have the Personal God for my lover--but he is not to be found. Therefore I am on my own. And everything I say is said from entirely within the existential intention to own it through my own experimental knowledge of life, even, if I may say it, the universe itself. There is no deity, then, for me; and certainly no guru. No philosophy even that would make me its exponent. You mistake me, Emptybill, I am a loner. I take responsibility for existing as a created being whose only resource apart from my own faculties and life history, is *reality* itself--what I make of my transactions with her. Which are never abstract, and are always first-person ontological [as you would expect. :-)] Like right now, Emptybill. There is no mediator between what you have said and my own heart. I would have life physical-supernatural rather than mental-mystical. Life for me is about what it was like to be McKayala Maroney last night after failing to land her dismount on her second vault attempt--or the sensation Usain Bolt felt in his body in running 9:63 in the 100 metre final. Or Emptybill in this very moment wondering how to answer this post. :-) Enlightenment is so far away from where I choose to live my life, Emptybill--and did I tell you? *I've been there*. I am more of an Aristotelian-Thomistic fathermucker than the other. Robin1: I will assume, however, that in having
[FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern
Robin's Message 315852 Robin sez: Because, you see, emptybill, my intentions here on FFL, they are far more morally driven than your disgust and aversion to what I am doing. Emptybill sez: No disgust, no aversion not even disquiet. Admiration rather, since now I understand. You are just displaying your performance art - although seemingly bereft of quietude or contemplation. In truth, you appear as the blessed bitch of your totem-daimon, like a good and dutiful servant. Why you must certainly see your performances as confessional addendums to Truly, truly, I say unto thee . Aren't they literal prayers to have your efforts recognized as deserving? Robin sez: You don't like it and would have me acting perhaps as a more antic version of Lear's Foolor the cosmic harlequin whose nimble acrobatics are to seduce some would-be inamorato. Emptybill sez: Oh not so, not so. (See footnote 1) Robin: I conceive of acting in lovehowever differently it is perceived by you and a strong contingent of critics sympathetic to what you have said here. Emptybill sez: Isn't this the mark of Plato's true lover? Or is it rather the stamp of a Platonic motherfucker a lost soul coupling with prima materia? Isn't the Dark Lord a better lover of your deity than you? (See note 2) Robin sez: I will assume, however, that in having done so you will go about the rest of your day satisfied you have struck a blow for truthwhether your own truth, the truth of the Self, or the truth of something even higher. Emptybill sez: Contrary to you, I consider subjectivity as a human invariant but not a proof for an invariant personal identity. I have seen enough of my most recent past lifetime (along with other ones) to examine its workings, achievements and deceptions. (see note 3) Robin sez: I am sure, however, as I sit in this Starbucks, that were you able to join me, we might have some great conversation. I am nicer in person than I am on this forum. Emptybill sez: Yep, it would probably be worth our time around the table. However, I would chose something other than Starbucks fare. I rather think Woodford's Select Kentucky Bourbon would better fluidize the wheels of conversation. It might even warm the ontological heart of a Northern man. This universe is a stream of unbroken perceptions of Brahman. In all respects, it is nothing but Brahman. In all conditions, see Brahman with inner vision and a peaceful mind. As those with eyes see forms all around, thus the knowers of Brahman see nothing other than Brahman. Adi Shankara, Vivekachudamini, verse 522 1 This point is carefully explained in my pseudonymous book - Slavery is the Highest Enlightenment: the story of Om. by Anarkhia Sophos, Hierodule Publications, 2009 ed. 2 One tradition says: We are true the others false or we are esoteric the others are exoteric - yet the other traditions claim the opposite. Perhaps they should just fight each other unto oblivion to establish domination like the fierce battles between jews and muslims or christians and muslims. After all, this is what Shakti does she dances this Lila for the entertainment of her Lord. This is why yogins claim that all bhoga comes from bhaga all experience comes from a vagina. So can we genuinely claim this or is it rather that all pleasure and pain comes from a vagina? Which brings up another point about yoga. According to the Samkhya-Yoga synthesis, the procreatrix (prakriti) dances for her spectator (drishta) and will continue until she feels she is adequately seen and appreciated. Only then will she retire her dance and take a rest. Isn't that good ol' tricky trixy for you. Always on stage. Hmm sound familiar? Likewise, for those traditions that worship Vishnu only, in reality there is only one Purusha (literally the male). He is Narayana, Vishnu, Krishna and everything else is the opposite of him. Therefore, a soul is always female (a yoni-jiva). That means we are all yoni-s without regard to our physical gender. That also means we are all yoni-s or receptacles waiting to be filled with god's creative and procreative effluence. In Western parlance, we call this effluence seminal-raisons or logoi-spermatikoi. Thus: Conclusion 1: All meditation/contemplation/prayer is only about ultimate divine union because females such as we (the yoni-jivas) can never be satisfied by anything other than a god. Conclusion 2: Tantra, such as Gurudev performed to worship Shri Lakshmi, is a form of noetic and yogic etiquette defining the right view and right conduct towards the goddess-powers (devi-shaktis) who manifest and actualize this whole cosmos. Conclusion 3: we are all a bunch of pussies waiting to be filled by a god. Finis: This explains why I am bitch-slapped daily by the guna-s of Trixy the procreatrix to keep me in my place. This would also explain the high-indifference of god/gods to the sufferings in this world. Or as his eminence the
[FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote: I'm sure that would be an interesting discussion, Robin, and any number of folks here would be glad to have it with you. Especially the ones who are trying to score points with their attention vampire mistress. If they can get you to respond to them, she gives them a pat on the back and a free bottle of True Attention. :-) The attempts to do exactly this have been pretty obvious since she's returned from her week of stupidity-induced silence, haven't they? It's like the minions felt so starved without her viciousness that they had to invent some of their own. Sal must be laughing her ass off if she really is lurking here, to see how threatened people *still* are by her. What I wrote to Feste was both simple and clear; there's no need to reiterate or argue. Not unless you're a vampire who needs to feed. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern
On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:39 PM, feste37 wrote: We can agree to differ. If, as you suggest, Stupid Sal may be lurking here, she is free to delurk and reveal her stupidity and nastiness once more so we can all marvel at it. I brought her up because she came to mind as such a stark contrast to our newly arrived Saint Share, and I liked the alliterative ring of Saint Share vs. Stupid Sal. IIRC Saint Share actually was the person who ran the Fairfield Kiosk email list, set up as an alternative to the negativity of FFL. No negativity was allowed on this list and I believe it was moderated by her. At the time, apparently FFL was just to negative to bear. Needless to say, this sattvic alternative to FFL never took off - (must have been the artificial sweetners). And look who showed up here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:39 PM, feste37 wrote: We can agree to differ. If, as you suggest, Stupid Sal may be lurking here, she is free to delurk and reveal her stupidity and nastiness once more so we can all marvel at it. I brought her up because she came to mind as such a stark contrast to our newly arrived Saint Share, and I liked the alliterative ring of Saint Share vs. Stupid Sal. IIRC Saint Share actually was the person who ran the Fairfield Kiosk email list, set up as an alternative to the negativity of FFL. No negativity was allowed on this list and I believe it was moderated by her. At the time, apparently FFL was just to negative to bear. Needless to say, this sattvic alternative to FFL never took off - (must have been the artificial sweetners). And look who showed up here. Sharalyn did the kiosk group. Saint Share is not Sharalyn.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern
I like you too. You are playful and smart. I'm glad you've stuck around. I never knew you in person because I arrived at MIU a year or so after you had left. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: There have been a few posts you have made that make me think I quite like you Feste. You strike me as your own person, a true individual. Always high marks in my book. And you're quite feisty. Maybe it should be Feisty37. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I stand by my comment. Stupid Sal was the nastiest poster on this forum by a country mile, and she was a careless, incompetent reader of the posts of others. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: Why on earth would you gratuitously malign Sal, who no longer posts here, but who very well might continue to follow the posts on this forum? She was manifestly neither stupid nor nasty. Though she could be sharp in her comments, she was far less so than a couple of serial posters who are still here. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: It appears that Saint Share has emerged as our idol and role model here at FFL. My guess is that she has been sent, somewhat belatedly, by God as a replacement for Stupid Sal, which is definitely an improvement. (Saint Share, you may not be familiar with Stupid Sal, but she was renowned for being not only, well, stupid, but also for the sheer nastiness of her posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share:  You are a gem of a human being.  I'm not sure what inspired you to write this, but you seem the least likely to hurt anyone's tender feelings.  Personally, mine are just me getting over myself.  It had to happen sometime.  No worries...FFL has the ability to absorb many perspectives, many emotions, many points of view.  I used to undergo days long shame attacks for some of the things I posted - I work to get over myself - it's not really all about me.  My posts never seemed to phase anyone else and often the exact right post would turn up to get me out of myself, my drama, etc. and give me a little perspective.  Or, they would pass into oblivion where they belonged.  As I say to myself...no need to personalize everything.  Far to tiring an MO.  All in a days work, so to speak.  So, I stopped taking myself quite so seriously and stopped worrying so much. Just scenes in a play really.  FFL may seem like a tough place, but really, not so much.  Child's play.  From: Share Long sharelong60@ To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] to whom it may concern  This is an apology to anyone whose feelings tender heart I may have hurt. I'm willing to do what I can to make amends. And I'm doing my best to develop so that I don't continue hurting people knowingly or unknowingly. sigh, FFL is quite the heart workout. Who would have thought?!
[FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern
You mean she couldn't bear the bare on FFL? How do you know what you know? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:39 PM, feste37 wrote: We can agree to differ. If, as you suggest, Stupid Sal may be lurking here, she is free to delurk and reveal her stupidity and nastiness once more so we can all marvel at it. I brought her up because she came to mind as such a stark contrast to our newly arrived Saint Share, and I liked the alliterative ring of Saint Share vs. Stupid Sal. IIRC Saint Share actually was the person who ran the Fairfield Kiosk email list, set up as an alternative to the negativity of FFL. No negativity was allowed on this list and I believe it was moderated by her. At the time, apparently FFL was just to negative to bear. Needless to say, this sattvic alternative to FFL never took off - (must have been the artificial sweetners). And look who showed up here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern
Yep, that's you. Truth-mocking, double-ironist and dissembler extrordinaire. Discursive conjurer continually on stage like any actor needing an audience. Will your totem-daimon ever recognize your feats so you can retire? Or like most stage actors will you need to keep it new to feel alive? First-person ontology? Searle notwithstanding - nothing but I am talking. Better yet, revelation , revelation ... I have subjectivity ... please believe I'm real. Ain't that always the mask wearer's plea? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: RESPONSE: Beyond Monty Python. There's irony, there's inadvertent irony, and then there's double-irony: in the latter case a person simulates outrage and bitterness, meanwhile (if you examine the subtext carefully) mocking the very existence of sincerity or innocence. Or even truth. One makes oneself vulnerable by believing in and feeling there is such a thing as truth. But if one wants to have the entirety of one's consciousness subject only to the secret delight of malice one makes certain one never commits oneself to believing anythingNot at least so as to become influenced by the objective demands that that truth would make upon us. The person who wrote this gives the appearance of believing in what he or she has said. But if you follow the meaning to its logical conclusion (becoming susceptible to its subtext) then one has the edifying spectacle of someone mocking the very idea there is something called truth. And the proof of this? There will never be any attempt to answer this post [MZ's] so as to contradict its categorical judgment. And, dear readers of FFL, you realize it would only take slightest nuance of feeling to utterly refute me. What is that feeling? Something that originates in sincerity. I am beginning to see why there is such a thing as having to die. For even the consummate practitioner of double-irony meets there a context of reality which transcends ironyand all of this reality bears down upon us with its almightiness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern
Dear Empty Bill, I didn't make a peep for twenty-five years, empty billbut once I got started, I couldn't stop myself. The uncanny thing about your post here, empty bill, is how smoothly and elegantly you have transcended your own first-person ontology. If you could tell me, however, if there was anything other than frustration and irritation as the motive of your post, this would interest me, emptybill. You seriously misunderstand me: I want to be nice and loving all the time; but when the mockers come out and play dirty the niceness and lovingness, why, it turns to irony and brio*but* you have to believe me, empty bill, the moment I can sense something other than mere bluffing, bravado, desperation, and yes, even hatredthen suddenly I will remember Saint Francis and the birds. But when the crows are making a racket and trying to steal those lovely little blue eggs in the nest, then I pretend I am an eagle, and I swoop and strutmuch in the manner you describe here so equably, soberly. Will your words here, empty bill, assuage your unhappy feelings? I certainly hope so. But what you have neglected to think through carefully enough is: What does *Robin* think he is doing by all his mock dissembling and sarcasm? If you read *my* motives in this, emptybill, I would then have to take your very seriously indeed. Because, you see, emptybill, my intentions here on FFL, they are far more morally driven than your disgust and aversion to what I am doing. For me, that is the ultimate trick in polemics of this kindpolemics, that is, which descend to the level of personal insult: Whose context, you or your opponent's is getting a firmer grip on reality (the ultimate adjudicator alwaysand will be at our death: both of us, you and me, emptybill, we have to die). I have performed my act on FFL. You don't like it and would have me acting perhaps as a more antic version of Lear's Foolor the cosmic harlequin whose nimble acrobatics are to seduce some would-be innamorato. But you get me wrong, emptybill: for I would only feel you had touched me in what you said here if your sincerity in doing so equalled my own in my performance. I conceive of acting in lovehowever differently it is perceived by you and a strong contingent of critics sympathetic to what you have said here. Meanwhile I will console myself in the knowledge that I am answerable for all my actions, and I continue to believe that in your post here you hardly do me justice; you only, truly, emptybill, give yourself the satisfaction of having rid yourself of some intense feelings. I will assume, however, that in having done so you will go about the rest of your day satisfied you have struck a blow for truthwhether your own truth, the truth of the Self, or the truth of something even higher. I am sure, however, as I sit in this Starbucks, that were you able to join me, we might have some great conversation. I am nicer in person than I am on this forum. And I am sure you are too. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: Yep, that's you. Truth-mocking, double-ironist and dissembler extrordinaire. Discursive conjurer continually on stage like any actor needing an audience. Will your totem-daimon ever recognize your feats so you can retire? Or like most stage actors will you need to keep it new to feel alive? First-person ontology? Searle notwithstanding - nothing but I am talking. Better yet, revelation , revelation ... I have subjectivity ... please believe I'm real. Ain't that always the mask wearer's plea? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: RESPONSE: Beyond Monty Python. There's irony, there's inadvertent irony, and then there's double-irony: in the latter case a person simulates outrage and bitterness, meanwhile (if you examine the subtext carefully) mocking the very existence of sincerity or innocence. Or even truth. One makes oneself vulnerable by believing in and feeling there is such a thing as truth. But if one wants to have the entirety of one's consciousness subject only to the secret delight of malice one makes certain one never commits oneself to believing anythingNot at least so as to become influenced by the objective demands that that truth would make upon us. The person who wrote this gives the appearance of believing in what he or she has said. But if you follow the meaning to its logical conclusion (becoming susceptible to its subtext) then one has the edifying spectacle of someone mocking the very idea there is something called truth. And the proof of this? There will never be any attempt to answer this post [MZ's] so as to contradict its categorical judgment. And, dear readers of FFL, you realize it would only take slightest nuance of feeling to utterly refute me. What is that feeling? Something that originates in sincerity. I am beginning to see
[FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern
Wha? Compared to most of us who post here, you're at worst, very mild-mannered. Don't get what you are apologizing for. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: This is an apology to anyone whose feelings tender heart I may have hurt.� I'm willing to do what I can to make amends.� And I'm doing my best to develop so that I don't continue hurting people knowingly or unknowingly.� sigh, FFL is quite the heart workout.� Who would have thought?!
[FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern
It appears that Saint Share has emerged as our idol and role model here at FFL. My guess is that she has been sent, somewhat belatedly, by God as a replacement for Stupid Sal, which is definitely an improvement. (Saint Share, you may not be familiar with Stupid Sal, but she was renowned for being not only, well, stupid, but also for the sheer nastiness of her posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Dear Share:  You are a gem of a human being.  I'm not sure what inspired you to write this, but you seem the least likely to hurt anyone's tender feelings.  Personally, mine are just me getting over myself.  It had to happen sometime.  No worries...FFL has the ability to absorb many perspectives, many emotions, many points of view.  I used to undergo days long shame attacks for some of the things I posted - I work to get over myself - it's not really all about me.  My posts never seemed to phase anyone else and often the exact right post would turn up to get me out of myself, my drama, etc. and give me a little perspective.  Or, they would pass into oblivion where they belonged.  As I say to myself...no need to personalize everything.  Far to tiring an MO.  All in a days work, so to speak.  So, I stopped taking myself quite so seriously and stopped worrying so much. Just scenes in a play really.  FFL may seem like a tough place, but really, not so much.  Child's play.  From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] to whom it may concern  This is an apology to anyone whose feelings tender heart I may have hurt. I'm willing to do what I can to make amends. And I'm doing my best to develop so that I don't continue hurting people knowingly or unknowingly. sigh, FFL is quite the heart workout. Who would have thought?!
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Maybe she was sending FFL an example of how to apologize. Tee Hee. From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 1:54 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern It appears that Saint Share has emerged as our idol and role model here at FFL. My guess is that she has been sent, somewhat belatedly, by God as a replacement for Stupid Sal, which is definitely an improvement. (Saint Share, you may not be familiar with Stupid Sal, but she was renowned for being not only, well, stupid, but also for the sheer nastiness of her posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Dear Share:  You are a gem of a human being.  I'm not sure what inspired you to write this, but you seem the least likely to hurt anyone's tender feelings.  Personally, mine are just me getting over myself.  It had to happen sometime.  No worries...FFL has the ability to absorb many perspectives, many emotions, many points of view.  I used to undergo days long shame attacks for some of the things I posted - I work to get over myself - it's not really all about me.  My posts never seemed to phase anyone else and often the exact right post would turn up to get me out of myself, my drama, etc. and give me a little perspective.  Or, they would pass into oblivion where they belonged.  As I say to myself...no need to personalize everything.  Far to tiring an MO.  All in a days work, so to speak.  So, I stopped taking myself quite so seriously and stopped worrying so much. Just scenes in a play really.  FFL may seem like a tough place, but really, not so much.  Child's play.  From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] to whom it may concern  This is an apology to anyone whose feelings tender heart I may have hurt. I'm willing to do what I can to make amends. And I'm doing my best to develop so that I don't continue hurting people knowingly or unknowingly. sigh, FFL is quite the heart workout. Who would have thought?!
[FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern
Why on earth would you gratuitously malign Sal, who no longer posts here, but who very well might continue to follow the posts on this forum? She was manifestly neither stupid nor nasty. Though she could be sharp in her comments, she was far less so than a couple of serial posters who are still here. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: It appears that Saint Share has emerged as our idol and role model here at FFL. My guess is that she has been sent, somewhat belatedly, by God as a replacement for Stupid Sal, which is definitely an improvement. (Saint Share, you may not be familiar with Stupid Sal, but she was renowned for being not only, well, stupid, but also for the sheer nastiness of her posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share:  You are a gem of a human being.  I'm not sure what inspired you to write this, but you seem the least likely to hurt anyone's tender feelings.  Personally, mine are just me getting over myself.  It had to happen sometime.  No worries...FFL has the ability to absorb many perspectives, many emotions, many points of view.  I used to undergo days long shame attacks for some of the things I posted - I work to get over myself - it's not really all about me.  My posts never seemed to phase anyone else and often the exact right post would turn up to get me out of myself, my drama, etc. and give me a little perspective.  Or, they would pass into oblivion where they belonged.  As I say to myself...no need to personalize everything.  Far to tiring an MO.  All in a days work, so to speak.  So, I stopped taking myself quite so seriously and stopped worrying so much. Just scenes in a play really.  FFL may seem like a tough place, but really, not so much.  Child's play.  From: Share Long sharelong60@ To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] to whom it may concern  This is an apology to anyone whose feelings tender heart I may have hurt. I'm willing to do what I can to make amends. And I'm doing my best to develop so that I don't continue hurting people knowingly or unknowingly. sigh, FFL is quite the heart workout. Who would have thought?!
[FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern
I stand by my comment. Stupid Sal was the nastiest poster on this forum by a country mile, and she was a careless, incompetent reader of the posts of others. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote: Why on earth would you gratuitously malign Sal, who no longer posts here, but who very well might continue to follow the posts on this forum? She was manifestly neither stupid nor nasty. Though she could be sharp in her comments, she was far less so than a couple of serial posters who are still here. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: It appears that Saint Share has emerged as our idol and role model here at FFL. My guess is that she has been sent, somewhat belatedly, by God as a replacement for Stupid Sal, which is definitely an improvement. (Saint Share, you may not be familiar with Stupid Sal, but she was renowned for being not only, well, stupid, but also for the sheer nastiness of her posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share:  You are a gem of a human being.  I'm not sure what inspired you to write this, but you seem the least likely to hurt anyone's tender feelings.  Personally, mine are just me getting over myself.  It had to happen sometime.  No worries...FFL has the ability to absorb many perspectives, many emotions, many points of view.  I used to undergo days long shame attacks for some of the things I posted - I work to get over myself - it's not really all about me.  My posts never seemed to phase anyone else and often the exact right post would turn up to get me out of myself, my drama, etc. and give me a little perspective.  Or, they would pass into oblivion where they belonged.  As I say to myself...no need to personalize everything.  Far to tiring an MO.  All in a days work, so to speak.  So, I stopped taking myself quite so seriously and stopped worrying so much. Just scenes in a play really.  FFL may seem like a tough place, but really, not so much.  Child's play.  From: Share Long sharelong60@ To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] to whom it may concern  This is an apology to anyone whose feelings tender heart I may have hurt. I'm willing to do what I can to make amends. And I'm doing my best to develop so that I don't continue hurting people knowingly or unknowingly. sigh, FFL is quite the heart workout. Who would have thought?!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote: Why on earth would you gratuitously malign Sal, who no longer posts here, but who very well might continue to follow the posts on this forum? She was manifestly neither stupid nor nasty. She was manifestly both, Marek. Not always, but frequently. She had a tendency to be gratuitously malicious, so she has no right to expect she won't be gratuitously maligned. It's actually giving her the benefit of the doubt to call her stupid, rather than assuming her various distortions and false statements (which she would never acknowledge, let alone apologize for) were deliberate. Though she could be sharp in her comments, she was far less so than a couple of serial posters who are still here. snicker You just couldn't resist sneaking in that serial, could you? *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: It appears that Saint Share has emerged as our idol and role model here at FFL. My guess is that she has been sent, somewhat belatedly, by God as a replacement for Stupid Sal, which is definitely an improvement. (Saint Share, you may not be familiar with Stupid Sal, but she was renowned for being not only, well, stupid, but also for the sheer nastiness of her posts.)
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Your opinion is your own and everyone's personal opinion guides their interactions with others, or their lack of interaction with others, as the case may be. You and I disagree in our opinions re Sal; my remark was prompted by the fact that you brought Sal up for no purpose other than to bash her on this forum where she hasn't participated for quite some time and where many new folks, who have joined after she left, have no knowledge of her whatsoever . . . except, of course, now your malicious potshot at her in her absence. I was astonished at that. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: I stand by my comment. Stupid Sal was the nastiest poster on this forum by a country mile, and she was a careless, incompetent reader of the posts of others. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: Why on earth would you gratuitously malign Sal, who no longer posts here, but who very well might continue to follow the posts on this forum? She was manifestly neither stupid nor nasty. Though she could be sharp in her comments, she was far less so than a couple of serial posters who are still here. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: It appears that Saint Share has emerged as our idol and role model here at FFL. My guess is that she has been sent, somewhat belatedly, by God as a replacement for Stupid Sal, which is definitely an improvement. (Saint Share, you may not be familiar with Stupid Sal, but she was renowned for being not only, well, stupid, but also for the sheer nastiness of her posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share:  You are a gem of a human being.  I'm not sure what inspired you to write this, but you seem the least likely to hurt anyone's tender feelings.  Personally, mine are just me getting over myself.  It had to happen sometime.  No worries...FFL has the ability to absorb many perspectives, many emotions, many points of view.  I used to undergo days long shame attacks for some of the things I posted - I work to get over myself - it's not really all about me.  My posts never seemed to phase anyone else and often the exact right post would turn up to get me out of myself, my drama, etc. and give me a little perspective.  Or, they would pass into oblivion where they belonged.  As I say to myself...no need to personalize everything.  Far to tiring an MO.  All in a days work, so to speak.  So, I stopped taking myself quite so seriously and stopped worrying so much. Just scenes in a play really.  FFL may seem like a tough place, but really, not so much.  Child's play.  From: Share Long sharelong60@ To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] to whom it may concern  This is an apology to anyone whose feelings tender heart I may have hurt. I'm willing to do what I can to make amends. And I'm doing my best to develop so that I don't continue hurting people knowingly or unknowingly. sigh, FFL is quite the heart workout. Who would have thought?!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote: Your opinion is your own and everyone's personal opinion guides their interactions with others, or their lack of interaction with others, as the case may be. You and I disagree in our opinions re Sal; my remark was prompted by the fact that you brought Sal up for no purpose other than to bash her on this forum where she hasn't participated for quite some time and where many new folks, who have joined after she left, have no knowledge of her whatsoever . . . except, of course, now your malicious potshot at her in her absence. I was astonished at that. It's surprising to me, Marek, that you would object to Feste's post, given that we haven't heard a peep out of you when others have been maligned in their absence. And goodness knows you have no problem casting aspersions at people you refuse to name even though they're still here. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I stand by my comment. Stupid Sal was the nastiest poster on this forum by a country mile, and she was a careless, incompetent reader of the posts of others. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: Why on earth would you gratuitously malign Sal, who no longer posts here, but who very well might continue to follow the posts on this forum? She was manifestly neither stupid nor nasty. Though she could be sharp in her comments, she was far less so than a couple of serial posters who are still here. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: It appears that Saint Share has emerged as our idol and role model here at FFL. My guess is that she has been sent, somewhat belatedly, by God as a replacement for Stupid Sal, which is definitely an improvement. (Saint Share, you may not be familiar with Stupid Sal, but she was renowned for being not only, well, stupid, but also for the sheer nastiness of her posts.)
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We can agree to differ. If, as you suggest, Stupid Sal may be lurking here, she is free to delurk and reveal her stupidity and nastiness once more so we can all marvel at it. I brought her up because she came to mind as such a stark contrast to our newly arrived Saint Share, and I liked the alliterative ring of Saint Share vs. Stupid Sal. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote: Your opinion is your own and everyone's personal opinion guides their interactions with others, or their lack of interaction with others, as the case may be. You and I disagree in our opinions re Sal; my remark was prompted by the fact that you brought Sal up for no purpose other than to bash her on this forum where she hasn't participated for quite some time and where many new folks, who have joined after she left, have no knowledge of her whatsoever . . . except, of course, now your malicious potshot at her in her absence. I was astonished at that. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I stand by my comment. Stupid Sal was the nastiest poster on this forum by a country mile, and she was a careless, incompetent reader of the posts of others. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: Why on earth would you gratuitously malign Sal, who no longer posts here, but who very well might continue to follow the posts on this forum? She was manifestly neither stupid nor nasty. Though she could be sharp in her comments, she was far less so than a couple of serial posters who are still here. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: It appears that Saint Share has emerged as our idol and role model here at FFL. My guess is that she has been sent, somewhat belatedly, by God as a replacement for Stupid Sal, which is definitely an improvement. (Saint Share, you may not be familiar with Stupid Sal, but she was renowned for being not only, well, stupid, but also for the sheer nastiness of her posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share:  You are a gem of a human being.  I'm not sure what inspired you to write this, but you seem the least likely to hurt anyone's tender feelings.  Personally, mine are just me getting over myself.  It had to happen sometime.  No worries...FFL has the ability to absorb many perspectives, many emotions, many points of view.  I used to undergo days long shame attacks for some of the things I posted - I work to get over myself - it's not really all about me.  My posts never seemed to phase anyone else and often the exact right post would turn up to get me out of myself, my drama, etc. and give me a little perspective.  Or, they would pass into oblivion where they belonged.  As I say to myself...no need to personalize everything.  Far to tiring an MO.  All in a days work, so to speak.  So, I stopped taking myself quite so seriously and stopped worrying so much. Just scenes in a play really.  FFL may seem like a tough place, but really, not so much.  Child's play.  From: Share Long sharelong60@ To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] to whom it may concern  This is an apology to anyone whose feelings tender heart I may have hurt. I'm willing to do what I can to make amends. And I'm doing my best to develop so that I don't continue hurting people knowingly or unknowingly. sigh, FFL is quite the heart workout. Who would have thought?!
[FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: We can agree to differ. If, as you suggest, Stupid Sal may be lurking here, she is free to delurk and reveal her stupidity and nastiness once more so we can all marvel at it. I brought her up because she came to mind as such a stark contrast to our newly arrived Saint Share, and I liked the alliterative ring of Saint Share vs. Stupid Sal. It should be noted, by the way, that Feste and I are hardly the only folks here who do not have a high opinion of Sal. Sal typically sided with Barry and his groupies, which may give the newbies here a general idea of what kind of person she was. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: Your opinion is your own and everyone's personal opinion guides their interactions with others, or their lack of interaction with others, as the case may be. You and I disagree in our opinions re Sal; my remark was prompted by the fact that you brought Sal up for no purpose other than to bash her on this forum where she hasn't participated for quite some time and where many new folks, who have joined after she left, have no knowledge of her whatsoever . . . except, of course, now your malicious potshot at her in her absence. I was astonished at that. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I stand by my comment. Stupid Sal was the nastiest poster on this forum by a country mile, and she was a careless, incompetent reader of the posts of others. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: Why on earth would you gratuitously malign Sal, who no longer posts here, but who very well might continue to follow the posts on this forum? She was manifestly neither stupid nor nasty. Though she could be sharp in her comments, she was far less so than a couple of serial posters who are still here. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: It appears that Saint Share has emerged as our idol and role model here at FFL. My guess is that she has been sent, somewhat belatedly, by God as a replacement for Stupid Sal, which is definitely an improvement. (Saint Share, you may not be familiar with Stupid Sal, but she was renowned for being not only, well, stupid, but also for the sheer nastiness of her posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share:  You are a gem of a human being.  I'm not sure what inspired you to write this, but you seem the least likely to hurt anyone's tender feelings.  Personally, mine are just me getting over myself.  It had to happen sometime.  No worries...FFL has the ability to absorb many perspectives, many emotions, many points of view.  I used to undergo days long shame attacks for some of the things I posted - I work to get over myself - it's not really all about me.  My posts never seemed to phase anyone else and often the exact right post would turn up to get me out of myself, my drama, etc. and give me a little perspective.  Or, they would pass into oblivion where they belonged.  As I say to myself...no need to personalize everything.  Far to tiring an MO.  All in a days work, so to speak.  So, I stopped taking myself quite so seriously and stopped worrying so much. Just scenes in a play really.  FFL may seem like a tough place, but really, not so much.  Child's play.  From: Share Long sharelong60@ To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] to whom it may concern  This is an apology to anyone whose feelings tender heart I may have hurt. I'm willing to do what I can to make amends. And I'm doing my best to develop so that I don't continue hurting people knowingly or unknowingly. sigh, FFL is quite the heart workout. Who would have thought?!
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An awful lot of people are projecting their positivity onto me! It's a very odd experience. As for my apology, it was meant in general, just in case I had hurt someone's feelings. Really glad if it wasn't necessary. St. Shareji (-: From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 3:54 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern It appears that Saint Share has emerged as our idol and role model here at FFL. My guess is that she has been sent, somewhat belatedly, by God as a replacement for Stupid Sal, which is definitely an improvement. (Saint Share, you may not be familiar with Stupid Sal, but she was renowned for being not only, well, stupid, but also for the sheer nastiness of her posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Dear Share:  You are a gem of a human being.  I'm not sure what inspired you to write this, but you seem the least likely to hurt anyone's tender feelings.  Personally, mine are just me getting over myself.  It had to happen sometime.  No worries...FFL has the ability to absorb many perspectives, many emotions, many points of view.  I used to undergo days long shame attacks for some of the things I posted - I work to get over myself - it's not really all about me.  My posts never seemed to phase anyone else and often the exact right post would turn up to get me out of myself, my drama, etc. and give me a little perspective.  Or, they would pass into oblivion where they belonged.  As I say to myself...no need to personalize everything.  Far to tiring an MO.  All in a days work, so to speak.  So, I stopped taking myself quite so seriously and stopped worrying so much. Just scenes in a play really.  FFL may seem like a tough place, but really, not so much.  Child's play.  From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] to whom it may concern  This is an apology to anyone whose feelings tender heart I may have hurt. I'm willing to do what I can to make amends. And I'm doing my best to develop so that I don't continue hurting people knowingly or unknowingly. sigh, FFL is quite the heart workout. Who would have thought?!
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You've set a high bar St. Shareji - all this unconditional love and stuff. It's simply shocking. Perhaps the ho'oponopono magic is working. I mean Barry actually wrote the word apologize - it's a first in my addled memory. Don't worry though, if a little negativity seeps in, or you hurt my feelings, I, for one, will forgive you on the spot. Thank you for being here. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern An awful lot of people are projecting their positivity onto me! It's a very odd experience. As for my apology, it was meant in general, just in case I had hurt someone's feelings. Really glad if it wasn't necessary. St. Shareji (-: From: feste37 fest...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 3:54 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern It appears that Saint Share has emerged as our idol and role model here at FFL. My guess is that she has been sent, somewhat belatedly, by God as a replacement for Stupid Sal, which is definitely an improvement. (Saint Share, you may not be familiar with Stupid Sal, but she was renowned for being not only, well, stupid, but also for the sheer nastiness of her posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Dear Share:  You are a gem of a human being.  I'm not sure what inspired you to write this, but you seem the least likely to hurt anyone's tender feelings.  Personally, mine are just me getting over myself.  It had to happen sometime.  No worries...FFL has the ability to absorb many perspectives, many emotions, many points of view.  I used to undergo days long shame attacks for some of the things I posted - I work to get over myself - it's not really all about me.  My posts never seemed to phase anyone else and often the exact right post would turn up to get me out of myself, my drama, etc. and give me a little perspective.  Or, they would pass into oblivion where they belonged.  As I say to myself...no need to personalize everything.  Far to tiring an MO.  All in a days work, so to speak.  So, I stopped taking myself quite so seriously and stopped worrying so much. Just scenes in a play really.  FFL may seem like a tough place, but really, not so much.  Child's play.  From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] to whom it may concern  This is an apology to anyone whose feelings tender heart I may have hurt. I'm willing to do what I can to make amends. And I'm doing my best to develop so that I don't continue hurting people knowingly or unknowingly. sigh, FFL is quite the heart workout. Who would have thought?!
[FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: An awful lot of people are projecting their positivity onto me! It's a very odd experience. As for my apology, it was meant in general, just in case I had hurt someone's feelings. Really glad if it wasn't necessary.  St. Shareji (-: Never apologize in advance. It can put you at a distinct disadvantage and deprive others of responsibility. Here I better put one of these :-) From: feste37 feste37@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 3:54 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern  It appears that Saint Share has emerged as our idol and role model here at FFL. My guess is that she has been sent, somewhat belatedly, by God as a replacement for Stupid Sal, which is definitely an improvement. (Saint Share, you may not be familiar with Stupid Sal, but she was renowned for being not only, well, stupid, but also for the sheer nastiness of her posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share: àYou are a gem of a human being. àI'm not sure what inspired you to write this, but you seem the least likely to hurt anyone's tender feelings. àPersonally, mine are just me getting over myself. àIt had to happen sometime. àNo worries...FFL has the ability to absorb many perspectives, many emotions, many points of view. àI used to undergo days long shame attacks for some of the things I posted - I work to get over myself - it's not really all about me. àMy posts never seemed to phase anyone else and often the exact right post would turn up to get me out of myself, my drama, etc. and give me a little perspective. àOr, they would pass into oblivion where they belonged. àAs I say to myself...no need to personalize everything. àFar to tiring an MO. àAll in a days work, so to speak. àSo, I stopped taking myself quite so seriously and stopped worrying so much. Just scenes in a play really. àFFL may seem like a tough place, but really, not so much. àChild's play. àFrom: Share Long sharelong60@ To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] to whom it may concern àThis is an apology to anyone whose feelings tender heart I may have hurt.àI'm willing to do what I can to make amends.àAnd I'm doing my best to develop so that I don't continue hurting people knowingly or unknowingly.àsigh, FFL is quite the heart workout.àWho would have thought?!
[FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern
There have been a few posts you have made that make me think I quite like you Feste. You strike me as your own person, a true individual. Always high marks in my book. And you're quite feisty. Maybe it should be Feisty37. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: I stand by my comment. Stupid Sal was the nastiest poster on this forum by a country mile, and she was a careless, incompetent reader of the posts of others. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: Why on earth would you gratuitously malign Sal, who no longer posts here, but who very well might continue to follow the posts on this forum? She was manifestly neither stupid nor nasty. Though she could be sharp in her comments, she was far less so than a couple of serial posters who are still here. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: It appears that Saint Share has emerged as our idol and role model here at FFL. My guess is that she has been sent, somewhat belatedly, by God as a replacement for Stupid Sal, which is definitely an improvement. (Saint Share, you may not be familiar with Stupid Sal, but she was renowned for being not only, well, stupid, but also for the sheer nastiness of her posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share:  You are a gem of a human being.  I'm not sure what inspired you to write this, but you seem the least likely to hurt anyone's tender feelings.  Personally, mine are just me getting over myself.  It had to happen sometime.  No worries...FFL has the ability to absorb many perspectives, many emotions, many points of view.  I used to undergo days long shame attacks for some of the things I posted - I work to get over myself - it's not really all about me.  My posts never seemed to phase anyone else and often the exact right post would turn up to get me out of myself, my drama, etc. and give me a little perspective.  Or, they would pass into oblivion where they belonged.  As I say to myself...no need to personalize everything.  Far to tiring an MO.  All in a days work, so to speak.  So, I stopped taking myself quite so seriously and stopped worrying so much. Just scenes in a play really.  FFL may seem like a tough place, but really, not so much.  Child's play.  From: Share Long sharelong60@ To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] to whom it may concern  This is an apology to anyone whose feelings tender heart I may have hurt. I'm willing to do what I can to make amends. And I'm doing my best to develop so that I don't continue hurting people knowingly or unknowingly. sigh, FFL is quite the heart workout. Who would have thought?!
[FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern
As far as FFL goes, I think you could have stopped after your first two words. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: Never apologize in advance. It can put you at a distinct disadvantage and deprive others of responsibility. Here I better put one of these :-) From: feste37 feste37@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 3:54 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern  It appears that Saint Share has emerged as our idol and role model here at FFL. My guess is that she has been sent, somewhat belatedly, by God as a replacement for Stupid Sal, which is definitely an improvement. (Saint Share, you may not be familiar with Stupid Sal, but she was renowned for being not only, well, stupid, but also for the sheer nastiness of her posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share: àYou are a gem of a human being. àI'm not sure what inspired you to write this, but you seem the least likely to hurt anyone's tender feelings. àPersonally, mine are just me getting over myself. àIt had to happen sometime. àNo worries...FFL has the ability to absorb many perspectives, many emotions, many points of view. àI used to undergo days long shame attacks for some of the things I posted - I work to get over myself - it's not really all about me. àMy posts never seemed to phase anyone else and often the exact right post would turn up to get me out of myself, my drama, etc. and give me a little perspective. àOr, they would pass into oblivion where they belonged. àAs I say to myself...no need to personalize everything. àFar to tiring an MO. àAll in a days work, so to speak. àSo, I stopped taking myself quite so seriously and stopped worrying so much. Just scenes in a play really. àFFL may seem like a tough place, but really, not so much. àChild's play. àFrom: Share Long sharelong60@ To: fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] to whom it may concern àThis is an apology to anyone whose feelings tender heart I may have hurt.àI'm willing to do what I can to make amends.àAnd I'm doing my best to develop so that I don't continue hurting people knowingly or unknowingly.àsigh, FFL is quite the heart workout.àWho would have thought?!
[FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern
Dear Marek, I have had some unsatisfying exchanges with the person who is the object of this controversy, and yet I understand the general principle of not speaking ill of othersespecially if they are not present to defend themselves. However, I note that you are determined to conceal the specific persons whom you deem, by implication, far more malicious and prejudiced than the person who has not posted for some time now. What I think dishonest and in bad faith is your refusal to take responsibility for naming the persons whom you believe deserve greater censure on this forum than the person whose name has been brought up. I think it cowardly for you to insinuate who these persons might be [I for one do not know to whom you are referring; I assume you have a more lengthy history at FFL than I do, and therefore a more seasoned perspective on the matter of who at FFL is nasty and who is not nasty] without actually naming them. And if someone is going to malign a person whom you feel does not deserve to be maligned, then either you make your judgments known (about who on FFL is worse than this person who remains silent and who is being maligned) or you make certain that in your reference to those who are greater offenders in this regard you avoid making it clear to certain posters on FFL just whom you mean. I sense you are getting away with something here which is undercutting the purported moral stand you have taken against the derogatory comments made by one poster here. I question whether you are, in good conscience, prepared to stand behind your judgment publicly. After all, you said you were the peace and love kind of guy to me, very scrupulously avoiding any sort of disclosure of those persons at FFL whom you believe harbour and express a violence that, in another context, can even lead to crime, including murder. I accuse you openly of refusing to come clean on this matter because of the personal politics of this affairYour party loyalties, which, as it would happen, do not entirely accord with a disinterested and objective determination of who is nasty and who is not nasty on FFL. If you were innocently and sincerely convinced that your predilections in this matter were subject only to a judgment independent of your implied friendship with certain persons on this forum, then you would be much more careful about making what are obvious insinuations, insinuations that the party to which you are loyal can infer exculpate them from being in that very category, and in fact feed their own assumptionsmisplaced as they areabout their own immunity to a judgment of being nasty and violent. Would you be interested in thrashing out this matter, or perhaps making your argument in the form of a legal brief? I will be the prosecutor, you will argue for the innocence of your clientyou being the that client. I would like to believe I am wrong about this, Marek, but I think you are double-dealing here and I don't like it. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote: Why on earth would you gratuitously malign Sal, who no longer posts here, but who very well might continue to follow the posts on this forum? She was manifestly neither stupid nor nasty. Though she could be sharp in her comments, she was far less so than a couple of serial posters who are still here. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: It appears that Saint Share has emerged as our idol and role model here at FFL. My guess is that she has been sent, somewhat belatedly, by God as a replacement for Stupid Sal, which is definitely an improvement. (Saint Share, you may not be familiar with Stupid Sal, but she was renowned for being not only, well, stupid, but also for the sheer nastiness of her posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share: Â You are a gem of a human being. Â I'm not sure what inspired you to write this, but you seem the least likely to hurt anyone's tender feelings. Â Personally, mine are just me getting over myself. Â It had to happen sometime. Â No worries...FFL has the ability to absorb many perspectives, many emotions, many points of view. Â I used to undergo days long shame attacks for some of the things I posted - I work to get over myself - it's not really all about me. Â My posts never seemed to phase anyone else and often the exact right post would turn up to get me out of myself, my drama, etc. and give me a little perspective. Â Or, they would pass into oblivion where they belonged. Â As I say to myself...no need to personalize everything. Â Far to tiring an MO. Â All in a days work, so to speak. Â So, I stopped taking myself quite so seriously and stopped worrying so much. Just scenes in a play really. Â FFL may seem like a tough place, but really, not so much. Â
[FairfieldLife] Re: to whom it may concern
I'm sure that would be an interesting discussion, Robin, and any number of folks here would be glad to have it with you. What I wrote to Feste was both simple and clear; there's no need to reiterate or argue. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Dear Marek, I have had some unsatisfying exchanges with the person who is the object of this controversy, and yet I understand the general principle of not speaking ill of othersespecially if they are not present to defend themselves. However, I note that you are determined to conceal the specific persons whom you deem, by implication, far more malicious and prejudiced than the person who has not posted for some time now. What I think dishonest and in bad faith is your refusal to take responsibility for naming the persons whom you believe deserve greater censure on this forum than the person whose name has been brought up. I think it cowardly for you to insinuate who these persons might be [I for one do not know to whom you are referring; I assume you have a more lengthy history at FFL than I do, and therefore a more seasoned perspective on the matter of who at FFL is nasty and who is not nasty] without actually naming them. And if someone is going to malign a person whom you feel does not deserve to be maligned, then either you make your judgments known (about who on FFL is worse than this person who remains silent and who is being maligned) or you make certain that in your reference to those who are greater offenders in this regard you avoid making it clear to certain posters on FFL just whom you mean. I sense you are getting away with something here which is undercutting the purported moral stand you have taken against the derogatory comments made by one poster here. I question whether you are, in good conscience, prepared to stand behind your judgment publicly. After all, you said you were the peace and love kind of guy to me, very scrupulously avoiding any sort of disclosure of those persons at FFL whom you believe harbour and express a violence that, in another context, can even lead to crime, including murder. I accuse you openly of refusing to come clean on this matter because of the personal politics of this affairYour party loyalties, which, as it would happen, do not entirely accord with a disinterested and objective determination of who is nasty and who is not nasty on FFL. If you were innocently and sincerely convinced that your predilections in this matter were subject only to a judgment independent of your implied friendship with certain persons on this forum, then you would be much more careful about making what are obvious insinuations, insinuations that the party to which you are loyal can infer exculpate them from being in that very category, and in fact feed their own assumptionsmisplaced as they areabout their own immunity to a judgment of being nasty and violent. Would you be interested in thrashing out this matter, or perhaps making your argument in the form of a legal brief? I will be the prosecutor, you will argue for the innocence of your clientyou being the that client. I would like to believe I am wrong about this, Marek, but I think you are double-dealing here and I don't like it. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@ wrote: Why on earth would you gratuitously malign Sal, who no longer posts here, but who very well might continue to follow the posts on this forum? She was manifestly neither stupid nor nasty. Though she could be sharp in her comments, she was far less so than a couple of serial posters who are still here. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: It appears that Saint Share has emerged as our idol and role model here at FFL. My guess is that she has been sent, somewhat belatedly, by God as a replacement for Stupid Sal, which is definitely an improvement. (Saint Share, you may not be familiar with Stupid Sal, but she was renowned for being not only, well, stupid, but also for the sheer nastiness of her posts.) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share: Â You are a gem of a human being. Â I'm not sure what inspired you to write this, but you seem the least likely to hurt anyone's tender feelings. Â Personally, mine are just me getting over myself. Â It had to happen sometime. Â No worries...FFL has the ability to absorb many perspectives, many emotions, many points of view. Â I used to undergo days long shame attacks for some of the things I posted - I work to get over myself - it's not really all about me. Â My posts never seemed to phase anyone else and often the exact right post would turn up to get me out of myself, my drama, etc. and give me a little
