Re: [FairfieldLife] The best TM research what am (The real test of the Anti-Science freaks on FFL)
Experience+Knowledge. Then all the effects come. Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Off, There HAS been a study that you should take as authoritative, methinks, cuz, well, it's the kind of study that everyone on the planet learns how to conduct from BIRTH onwards. Millions of folks started TM; millions quit. Science was done by all of these folks: they followed the rules of the experiment, took the mantra effortlessly, and then quit after a few days, months, years -- depending -- but they all quit and never looked back. Sure, some were bad scientists and didn't do the experiment correctly, but most did. Most made it past their ten-day checking, but after that, by my ten-year-teaching-in-the-field reasoning, most didn't make up to having a whole year under their belt, before they, unlike me, realized that they were not being paid back for their investment of 40 minutes per day in the chair. There's abandoned mines in The Old West everywhere -- each abandoned mine was finally quit by a non-scientific person who wasn't much more educated than a cowboy of the era, yet in almost every instance the mine was indeed played out. Doesn't take much to be correct about such things even if a scientist has not affirmed it. The heft of millions tried it and quit is considerable -- even if only as a longitudinal study, say, The Impact of Belief Systems on Mass Audiences. As pumped up as all of us teachers were at the time, our inspirational modeling had only so much oomph with which to imbue the newbies as they left the centers. And we had some good schtick to fling. Yes, fling is a good word, eh? Maharishi always ALWAYS ALWAYS smugly and arrogantly challenged disbelief by saying, Try it. If the results are there you will continue, if not, then you will quit. He was always talking about how businessmen would be naturally expected to see meditation's value, because they were sure to be so bottom-line and practical, AND, they would see TM's impact on their profits. Nope. So they quit. Maharishi TRUSTED their intuitions and logic, and they quit. Ain't no bigbiz programs nowadays, right? Witherspoon took off his tie and went back to heaping dirt up in the desert, right? The masses are asses, but they're not out there eating rocks -- even small children are scientific enough to stop tasting things-on-the-ground-found-when-mom-isn't-there by about the age of four. They did the experiments, and their behaviors changed. TM's marketing campaigns also reflect that the masses had invalidated the meditation -- we see that the history of the TMO's marketing became more and more focused on fleecing the well heeled. And now today, where is TM being taught? Answer: nowhere -- for the most part. Ask all the folks living around any of the abandoned mines why they aren't going into the mines to look for nuggets. Answer: others that we trust have done that, and it is 99% certain that there's no gold in them thar hills. No one is starting TM cuz everyone's heard about the results from their trusted friends -- just like no one does Amway anymore after they've been suckered into having a living room presentation instead of being forthrightly presented with a business proposition instead of, you know, dare to be rich. Oh, don't bother arguing with me about this -- I know you'll flame or go into some sort of TB illogic about the masses not being scientific. I've had my little say, and that's enough. Those here who resonate will perhaps be just a titch more likely to read one of my posts and a titch less likely to read your next post. No one posting here was a more dedicated teacher than I was -- as far as I can tell. I did the experiment, the lifestyle, the sacrificing, and I paid tens of thousands of dollars (no new cars, no savings, cult raised children wearing second-hand school uniforms, working off tuition) to conduct that experiment. Conclusion: TM may do something, might be good for one, could be the real deal and might even be in line with Vedic traditions, could be training the brain to do marvelous but extremely subtle things, but one thing is certain -- the price is far too high for the little profits that can be verified or pretended to exist. For TBs to ignore these results of the people is to besmirch the general ability of humanity to be logical, practical and faithful to what-works. Think of all the things that the masses HAVE NOT abandoned -- things that worked. Necessity may be the mother of invention, but it works is the go-juice of culture. TM never delivered the expected mojo. It is a pig in a poke, and I still believe that some pokes have pigs in them, but I have yet to hear my first oink from the TMO's poke. But I did get porked. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, my pet peeve in life are
[FairfieldLife] The best TM research what am (The real test of the Anti-Science freaks on FFL)
Off, There HAS been a study that you should take as authoritative, methinks, cuz, well, it's the kind of study that everyone on the planet learns how to conduct from BIRTH onwards. Millions of folks started TM; millions quit. Science was done by all of these folks: they followed the rules of the experiment, took the mantra effortlessly, and then quit after a few days, months, years -- depending -- but they all quit and never looked back. Sure, some were bad scientists and didn't do the experiment correctly, but most did. Most made it past their ten-day checking, but after that, by my ten-year-teaching-in-the-field reasoning, most didn't make up to having a whole year under their belt, before they, unlike me, realized that they were not being paid back for their investment of 40 minutes per day in the chair. There's abandoned mines in The Old West everywhere -- each abandoned mine was finally quit by a non-scientific person who wasn't much more educated than a cowboy of the era, yet in almost every instance the mine was indeed played out. Doesn't take much to be correct about such things even if a scientist has not affirmed it. The heft of millions tried it and quit is considerable -- even if only as a longitudinal study, say, The Impact of Belief Systems on Mass Audiences. As pumped up as all of us teachers were at the time, our inspirational modeling had only so much oomph with which to imbue the newbies as they left the centers. And we had some good schtick to fling. Yes, fling is a good word, eh? Maharishi always ALWAYS ALWAYS smugly and arrogantly challenged disbelief by saying, Try it. If the results are there you will continue, if not, then you will quit. He was always talking about how businessmen would be naturally expected to see meditation's value, because they were sure to be so bottom-line and practical, AND, they would see TM's impact on their profits. Nope. So they quit. Maharishi TRUSTED their intuitions and logic, and they quit. Ain't no bigbiz programs nowadays, right? Witherspoon took off his tie and went back to heaping dirt up in the desert, right? The masses are asses, but they're not out there eating rocks -- even small children are scientific enough to stop tasting things-on-the-ground-found-when-mom-isn't-there by about the age of four. They did the experiments, and their behaviors changed. TM's marketing campaigns also reflect that the masses had invalidated the meditation -- we see that the history of the TMO's marketing became more and more focused on fleecing the well heeled. And now today, where is TM being taught? Answer: nowhere -- for the most part. Ask all the folks living around any of the abandoned mines why they aren't going into the mines to look for nuggets. Answer: others that we trust have done that, and it is 99% certain that there's no gold in them thar hills. No one is starting TM cuz everyone's heard about the results from their trusted friends -- just like no one does Amway anymore after they've been suckered into having a living room presentation instead of being forthrightly presented with a business proposition instead of, you know, dare to be rich. Oh, don't bother arguing with me about this -- I know you'll flame or go into some sort of TB illogic about the masses not being scientific. I've had my little say, and that's enough. Those here who resonate will perhaps be just a titch more likely to read one of my posts and a titch less likely to read your next post. No one posting here was a more dedicated teacher than I was -- as far as I can tell. I did the experiment, the lifestyle, the sacrificing, and I paid tens of thousands of dollars (no new cars, no savings, cult raised children wearing second-hand school uniforms, working off tuition) to conduct that experiment. Conclusion: TM may do something, might be good for one, could be the real deal and might even be in line with Vedic traditions, could be training the brain to do marvelous but extremely subtle things, but one thing is certain -- the price is far too high for the little profits that can be verified or pretended to exist. For TBs to ignore these results of the people is to besmirch the general ability of humanity to be logical, practical and faithful to what-works. Think of all the things that the masses HAVE NOT abandoned -- things that worked. Necessity may be the mother of invention, but it works is the go-juice of culture. TM never delivered the expected mojo. It is a pig in a poke, and I still believe that some pokes have pigs in them, but I have yet to hear my first oink from the TMO's poke. But I did get porked. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, my pet peeve in life are anti-science nuts like George Bush, Ted Haggard, Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, and the other Fundie religious nutjobs. So the to Anti-science freaks here on FFL such as Turq, Vaj, Steven, NewMorning, and other
