[FairfieldLife] Time to Get Enlightened, Part 2

2013-05-08 Thread Michael Jackson
I appreciate everyone answering if Maharishi ever said it would take a finite 
time to enlightenment. I certainly heard the rumor when I began to meditate and 
at that time in 1974 it had morphed from 3-5 years, to 10 years to being open 
ended.

The explanation I was given was that initially Marshy had said close to 5 
years, then changed it to ten using the idea that the world's consciousness was 
so muddy it was taking longer than expected. 


My friend Bill who spoke with Jerry Jarvis the other night said his initiator 
quoted Maharishi having given the 3-5 year time frame when Bill was taught TM 
during theĀ  three days checking.

The caveat was given that one had to take into account the stresses in any 
given individual's physiology and mind as to how long it would actually take. 
And personally I feel that Marshy used to play around with what he said, in 
other words if someone asked him a question I don't know that he was totally 
aware of how intensely people listened to the answer believing they were the 
words of the Cosmos and so he might throw out a concept without thinking it 
would be long remembered.


I just wondered it anyone remembered Marshy saying it on any ATR or TTC's. 
Rick? Anyone?


Re: [FairfieldLife] Time to Get Enlightened, Part 2

2013-05-08 Thread Bhairitu
On 05/08/2013 08:18 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
 I appreciate everyone answering if Maharishi ever said it would take a finite 
 time to enlightenment. I certainly heard the rumor when I began to meditate 
 and at that time in 1974 it had morphed from 3-5 years, to 10 years to being 
 open ended.

 The explanation I was given was that initially Marshy had said close to 5 
 years, then changed it to ten using the idea that the world's consciousness 
 was so muddy it was taking longer than expected.


 My friend Bill who spoke with Jerry Jarvis the other night said his initiator 
 quoted Maharishi having given the 3-5 year time frame when Bill was taught TM 
 during the  three days checking.

 The caveat was given that one had to take into account the stresses in any 
 given individual's physiology and mind as to how long it would actually take. 
 And personally I feel that Marshy used to play around with what he said, in 
 other words if someone asked him a question I don't know that he was totally 
 aware of how intensely people listened to the answer believing they were the 
 words of the Cosmos and so he might throw out a concept without thinking it 
 would be long remembered.


 I just wondered it anyone remembered Marshy saying it on any ATR or TTC's. 
 Rick? Anyone?


The time to enlightenment can range from instantaneous to many lifetimes 
depending on the individual and the development of their nervous 
system.  Most people I hung out with doing TM had clear experiences of 
transcending.  A few felt they had crossed the line into CC.  But I've 
run into a few others, still practicing, who say they've only had one or 
two experiences of transcending.  So there is quite a diversity.