[FairfieldLife] Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
It would be so much easier for you if your would write and then store on your computer a simple statement that TM practitioners cannot and will never become enlightened. You could also throw around a couple of phrases like nitya-samadhi or bhava samadhi and categorically deny that these states of consciousness are possible for anyone doing TM. You could even opine that TM practitioners can't go beyond asmita because they indulge in laya during meditation. Any TM-er claiming to do so then automatically becomes a layin yogi like Maharishi. Why don't you write it up now? It would be so very good-ol' buddi-suttwa of you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On May 2, 2011, at 3:36 AM, turquoiseb wrote: That's the missing component of pretty much all of the raps about enlightenment I run across. It's almost as if the process of self realization can be described more accurately as selfish realization in most of them. It seemed typical of TMer realizations, selfish yes and parsed in the Same Old Language. Nothing new that I can see, and as always, tightly within TM Org CC indoctrination dogmas. Funny how it never strays outsides those bounds. Experience junkies usually get better at being hyper-vigilant and parsing their inner states as time goes on and eventually that hyper- vigilance becomes normal. But they never seem to transcend the need for experiences (and endless discussion of them)--one of the hallmarks of real awakening, vs. NC (Narcissistic Consciousness).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
On May 2, 2011, at 2:43 PM, emptybill wrote: It would be so much easier for you if your would write and then store on your computer a simple statement that TM practitioners cannot and will never become enlightened. You could also throw around a couple of phrases like nitya- samadhi or bhava samadhi and categorically deny that these states of consciousness are possible for anyone doing TM. You could even opine that TM practitioners can't go beyond asmita because they indulge in laya during meditation. Any TM-er claiming to do so then automatically becomes a layin yogi like Maharishi. Why don't you write it up now? It would be so very good-ol' buddi- suttwa of you. It would be easier to point to the science done on yogis in turitatita and then show a brief synopsis of the physiological changes in long-term TMers. My fave was when the TM Org issued press releases on their long waited for CC'er: he'd been found and they had the EEG's to prove it! And then the Enlightened One left, finding out he had a rare type of sleep disorder that kept him from falling completely asleep! I say give 'em more rope and watch them hang themselves; I mean it's endlessly entertaining and chronic narcissism is relatively harmless.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
Vaj, so what you are saying is that categorically no TM/TM-Sidhi practitioner could ever become enlightened because the technique(s) are fundamentally flawed. So all reports of enlightenment experiences are either lies are conditions of mind? --- On Mon, 5/2/11, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 2, 2011, 3:03 PM On May 2, 2011, at 2:43 PM, emptybill wrote: It would be so much easier for you if your would write and then store on your computer a simple statement that TM practitioners cannot and will never become enlightened.You could also throw around a couple of phrases like nitya-samadhi or bhava samadhi and categorically deny that these states of consciousness are possible for anyone doing TM.You could even opine that TM practitioners can't go beyond asmita because they indulge in laya during meditation. Any TM-er claiming to do so then automatically becomes a layin yogi like Maharishi.Why don't you write it up now? It would be so very good-ol' buddi-suttwa of you.It would be easier to point to the science done on yogis in turitatita and then show a brief synopsis of the physiological changes in long-term TMers. My fave was when the TM Org issued press releases on their long waited for CC'er: he'd been found and they had the EEG's to prove it! And then the Enlightened One left, finding out he had a rare type of sleep disorder that kept him from falling completely asleep! I say give 'em more rope and watch them hang themselves; I mean it's endlessly entertaining and chronic narcissism is relatively harmless.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
On May 2, 2011, at 7:00 PM, Peter wrote: Vaj, so what you are saying is that categorically no TM/TM-Sidhi practitioner could ever become enlightened because the technique(s) are fundamentally flawed. So all reports of enlightenment experiences are either lies are conditions of mind? What I'm saying is that while there exists extraordinary evidence of extraordinary states of consciousness in the scientific record (of various yogis, etc.), currently no such extraordinary record exists for any TMers. In the future, such extraordinary things may occur and be recorded honestly and reliably. And there may be certain TMers who've realized all sorts of wonderful things now or in the past for which we simply have no recorded record. But as of this date no real record of exceptional or extraordinary states of consciousness exists for practitioners of TM, the TM advanced techniques or the TM Sidhi program. So all ye braggarts; wire up or fess up. Or even better STFU.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Vaj's Cosmic Consciousness
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 2:43 PM, emptybill emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: It would be so much easier for you if your would write and then store on your computer a simple statement that TM practitioners cannot and will never become enlightened. You could also throw around a couple of phrases like nitya-samadhi or bhava samadhi and categorically deny that these states of consciousness are possible for anyone doing TM. You could even opine that TM practitioners can't go beyond *asmita*because they indulge in laya during meditation. Any TM-er claiming to do so then automatically becomes a layin yogi like Maharishi. Why don't you write it up now? It would be so very good-ol' buddi-suttwa of you. Make an exception for Peter, who is enlightened at the highest level 24X7 and is throwing out great balls of flaming sattwa like a Roman candle. Say nothing bad about Peter. He is the Alpha and the Omega to me. I worship the very quicksand upon which he treads...
