RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on "The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vlodrop108 Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 5:20 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on "The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor --- "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My guess is that Deepak was telling the truth, > with some embellishment and fuzziness do to > lapse of time, and GM (Girish Momaya?) is trying > to whitewash it for posterity. GM is definitely not Girish Momaya. Girish is not an MD! You’re right. I realized later that it was Mahapatra. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1307 - Release Date: 3/2/2008 3:59 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on "The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 8:32 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on "The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor --- In HYPERLINK "mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com"FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My guess is that Deepak was telling the truth, with some embellishment and fuzziness do to lapse of time, and GM (Girish Momaya?) is trying to whitewash it for posterity. Thanks for revealing the source, who evidently was not stand up enough to speak on his own behalf. I don’t know for sure. That name matches the initials and I remember him as being a hot shot in Noida, and possibly a doctor. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1282 - Release Date: 2/15/2008 7:08 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on "The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ultrarishi Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:38 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on "The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor And who is Dr. G.M.? Does he work with Drs. Subaru, Toyota and Ford, or just B.M.W.? The name Girish Momaya comes to mind. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.6/1282 - Release Date: 2/15/2008 7:08 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on "The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
My earlier problem with your statement is that there is a distinction between truth and fact. As you are using the word, you really mean "fact" not "truth." So when I substitute "fact" then your statement makes total sense. - Original Message From: Larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 5:10:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on "The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor Thinking back now, I should have included a smily face, then it wouldn't have come off as such a wild ass axiom - but too late now. What I should have said was: If you have two or more observers, you can not have Truth. As each observer distinguishs self - what lies outside of that first distinction is everything else, which includes the other observers. So, for each observer, what lies 'outside' that first distinction is different because it includes the other observers. Let's ask a basic question . . . is the car red? Well, what makes the car red is exactly the same as what makes it not red. For example, we can pick out a candle because of its bundle of properties, including the space it occupies. We can make the distinction of 'the candle' because there is a 'not candle' to dintinguish it from. The dintinction between the candle and 'not candle' is the same distinction - it's the same boundary. Sort of like my grandfather who used to bug me with questions like: Does the mortar keep the bricks apart, or does keep them together? So getting back to the car . . two or more observers can not equally dintguish the car, because the 'not car' distinction includes the other observers . . so therefore, the distinction of the car will also be different between observers. --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander wrote: > > Really? How do you figure? > > - Original Message > From: Larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ..> > To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:44:31 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on "The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can have a manifold relative world that works, or you have one > > with Truth, but you can't have both > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander > > wrote: > > > > > > Well, we've got at least two versions of the events. This does not > > tell us that either version corresponds to the facts, however. > > Medical records can be falsified--and I've seen this done on more than > > one occasion. So the medical records would not necessarily tell us > > the truth either. And if we can see how difficult it is to get at the > > truth in this scenario, then what makes us think the "official" > > version of history that we learn in school is "true?" > > > > > > - Original Message > > > From: ruthsimplicity > > > To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com > > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:20:47 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on > > "The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Dick Mays > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that Dr G M is an outstanding Indian Governor > > > > > > > responsible for single-handedly creating the first group of 8,000 > > > > > > > pundits in India. He is a Maharishi-trained TM-Sidhi instructor and > > > > > > > teacher of Advanced Techniques. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Farrokh & Ruffina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am an Indian physician who was Maharishiji' s personal physician at > > > > > > > the time that Dr Deepak Chopra was assisting Maharishiji in England, > > > > > > > as per his article entitled "The Maharishi Years - the Untold Story". > > > > > > > I must inform you that his article is replete with untruths and > > > > > > > inaccuracies. I was at Maharishiji' s side during the entire > > > > > > > incident. Some of the details of the article that I know to be > > > > > > > untrue are as follows: > > > > > > > there was no blood transfusion from Dr Chopra; > > > > > > > Maharishi was not on a ventilator and was not pronounced dead as > > > > > > claimed; > > > > > > > he did not have kidney failure at all at that time; > > > > > > > Dr Chopra's father attended Maharishi in India, but not in London; > > > > > > > there was no helicopter involved; > > > > > > > Dr Chopra did not carry Maharishiji in his arms into the hospital. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr Chopra was handsomely paid for his services by the movement. > > > > > > > These facts can be corroborated by Prakash and Kirti from the Indian > > > > > > > TM movement and Maharishiji
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on "The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My guess is that Deepak was telling the truth, with > some embellishment and > fuzziness do to lapse of time, and GM (Girish > Momaya?) is trying to > whitewash it for posterity. Agreed. Notice how he doesn't offer anything other than corrections of Deepak's version. Love to have Deepak react to this whitewash. > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1279 - > Release Date: 2/14/2008 > 6:35 PM > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on "The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
My guess is that Deepak was telling the truth, with some embellishment and fuzziness do to lapse of time, and GM (Girish Momaya?) is trying to whitewash it for posterity. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1279 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 6:35 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on "The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ruthsimplicity Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:21 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on "The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor He says MMY's medical records would bear this out. I would be glad to take a look. :) Are you in the medical or legal profession? Not attacking. Just getting to know you better. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1279 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 6:35 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on "The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
Really? How do you figure? - Original Message From: Larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:44:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on "The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor You can have a manifold relative world that works, or you have one with Truth, but you can't have both --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander wrote: > > Well, we've got at least two versions of the events. This does not tell us that either version corresponds to the facts, however. Medical records can be falsified--and I've seen this done on more than one occasion. So the medical records would not necessarily tell us the truth either. And if we can see how difficult it is to get at the truth in this scenario, then what makes us think the "official" version of history that we learn in school is "true?" > > - Original Message > From: ruthsimplicity > To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:20:47 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on "The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Dick Mays wrote: > > > > > > Please note that Dr G M is an outstanding Indian Governor > > > responsible for single-handedly creating the first group of 8,000 > > > pundits in India. He is a Maharishi-trained TM-Sidhi instructor and > > > teacher of Advanced Techniques. > > > > > > Farrokh & Ruffina > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends: > > > > > > I am an Indian physician who was Maharishiji' s personal physician at > > > the time that Dr Deepak Chopra was assisting Maharishiji in England, > > > as per his article entitled "The Maharishi Years - the Untold Story". > > > I must inform you that his article is replete with untruths and > > > inaccuracies. I was at Maharishiji' s side during the entire > > > incident. Some of the details of the article that I know to be > > > untrue are as follows: > > > there was no blood transfusion from Dr Chopra; > > > Maharishi was not on a ventilator and was not pronounced dead as > > claimed; > > > he did not have kidney failure at all at that time; > > > Dr Chopra's father attended Maharishi in India, but not in London; > > > there was no helicopter involved; > > > Dr Chopra did not carry Maharishiji in his arms into the hospital. > > > > > > Dr Chopra was handsomely paid for his services by the movement. > > > These facts can be corroborated by Prakash and Kirti from the Indian > > > TM movement and Maharishiji' s medical records would bear this out as > > > well. There were two other Indian physicians involved, both of whom > > > were instructed in TM by Farrokh. They can confirm the facts as > > > well. > > > > > > Dr G. M. > > > > It is interesting to watch people writing history. The absence of > > facts will simply lead to even more speculation. Was there a > > poisoning or evidence of poisoning? Why London? If not kidney failure > > "at that time" when did he have kidney failure? What year? What kind > > of recovery? Etc. > > > > Can his silence be interpreted as assent that there was a heart attack > > and pancreatitis and that this happened in late 1991? > > > > He says MMY's medical records would bear this out. I would be glad to > > take a look. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger .yahoo.com > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on "The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor
Well, we've got at least two versions of the events. This does not tell us that either version corresponds to the facts, however. Medical records can be falsified--and I've seen this done on more than one occasion. So the medical records would not necessarily tell us the truth either. And if we can see how difficult it is to get at the truth in this scenario, then what makes us think the "official" version of history that we learn in school is "true?" - Original Message From: ruthsimplicity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:20:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on "The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Dick Mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .> wrote: > > Please note that Dr G M is an outstanding Indian Governor > responsible for single-handedly creating the first group of 8,000 > pundits in India. He is a Maharishi-trained TM-Sidhi instructor and > teacher of Advanced Techniques. > > Farrokh & Ruffina > > > Dear Friends: > > I am an Indian physician who was Maharishiji' s personal physician at > the time that Dr Deepak Chopra was assisting Maharishiji in England, > as per his article entitled "The Maharishi Years - the Untold Story". > I must inform you that his article is replete with untruths and > inaccuracies. I was at Maharishiji' s side during the entire > incident. Some of the details of the article that I know to be > untrue are as follows: > there was no blood transfusion from Dr Chopra; > Maharishi was not on a ventilator and was not pronounced dead as claimed; > he did not have kidney failure at all at that time; > Dr Chopra's father attended Maharishi in India, but not in London; > there was no helicopter involved; > Dr Chopra did not carry Maharishiji in his arms into the hospital. > > Dr Chopra was handsomely paid for his services by the movement. > These facts can be corroborated by Prakash and Kirti from the Indian > TM movement and Maharishiji' s medical records would bear this out as > well. There were two other Indian physicians involved, both of whom > were instructed in TM by Farrokh. They can confirm the facts as > well. > > Dr G. M. It is interesting to watch people writing history. The absence of facts will simply lead to even more speculation. Was there a poisoning or evidence of poisoning? Why London? If not kidney failure "at that time" when did he have kidney failure? What year? What kind of recovery? Etc. Can his silence be interpreted as assent that there was a heart attack and pancreatitis and that this happened in late 1991? He says MMY's medical records would bear this out. I would be glad to take a look. :) > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
