Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL lets return to but35 posts per week
Ariana Huffington is a computer illiterate probably still trying to figure out her Blackberry. A lot of the late comers to computer seem to hate anonymity but it is as old as the hills. And so are trolls. You must not have read the letters to the editors in newspapers back in the day where they printed your real name. Thing is, everyone new these curmudgeons who were always writing in to the paper and pushing their agendas to get attention. They were the online era trolls. Handles became popular because with 300 baud modems you didn't want to waste bits on your full name. Nor did we want to waste bits on Dear, so the memo form was adopted for email and online posts. And if you have to use your real name, have you ever checked to see how many people just in Iowa have the same name as you not to mention the US? Last I checked there were 11 people in the Bay Area who had the same name I have. The sky isn't falling because the posting limits went away and I would declare it a success. Sure the first week there were a lot of posts but look at the trend, this week is more moderate. We don't need any fucking posting limits! Nor do we need any block chairmen to moderate our speech. This isn't Cuba, Buck. On 08/29/2013 03:05 AM, Buck wrote: Seems Yahoo! By policy guidelines of moderation is not the only internet provider Ratcheting up troll-controls: Huffingtonpost: I predict the same will happen here and anywhere else where troll-controls are ratcheting up. Instead of killing business, it will bring back those who've stayed away, unwilling to put up with online ugliness; in fact, several people I've heard from have made that exact point. this action by /HuffPost/, as well as the moderation policies on Facebook and other sites, are good efforts towards raising the bar. Tweaks will surely be needed, but it's a start. Most meaningful online discourse /does not/require anonymity to be rich, candid and inspiring, but it does require a willingness to develop smart, respectful, effective communication skills. That used to be a societal norm; it ought to be again. I hope, like the cigarette ban, we get to the point where we can't even remember what it was like when trollers ran the show, just as it seems strange to remember when the table next to us could smoke-out our dinner without consideration. It is timely, -Buck http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lorraine-devon-wilke/welcome-to-the-cult-of-an_b_3813766.html Yup, the ad hominem is right up the with pornography on Yahoo groups. Yahoo is being ahead of the curve on this on the internet. Yahoo really is being quite good and spiritual with its new guidelines for groups. FFL should come into alignment. Friends, But the larger problem we have now is with the new Yahoo guidelines and our under-moderated ad hominem homid members threatening the life=blood of the whole group. People obviously have way too many posts to fire and burn here. Recent case in point, quote: I thought it was mean spirited, actually. Same old invectives hurled at someone: Are you dumb, or dull, or nuts? Yahoo! Groups give Yahoo! users a place to meet, interact, and share ideas with each other. .. Yahoo! sets out the terms and conditions of your use .. some of the key things to remember are: 1. You may not harass, abuse, threaten, or advocate violence Yep, personal by its nature the use the ad hominem is abuse on all these levels. Friends; But we got a larger problem in want of a better decorum for FFL: Yes, by the virtue of the new Yahoo-groups guidelines being placed over us we should directly outlaw the ad hominem and name-calling forms of argument as lower than the lowest and directly banish those who use them here as the fundamental and great threat to our whole way of life here on a Yahoo-group that they are. Kindly, -Buck Yep these people have taken toll the life spark of FairfieldLife here on Yahoo-groups with the Ad hominems. Time comes now to do with serious moderation or surely let the list die entirely. Seems a time has come for action one way or the other. Radical action. Resuscitation or it dies. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wleed3 wrote: I am leaving if the postings are not reduced much is vitriol Yep, the name-calling and the ad hominem certainly are the low forms of argument here and should certainly be outlawed in civil society and on all Yahoo groups as reprehensible abuse. Yes, by stark contrast certainly the best writing and exchange on FFL was in a time when the post count was limited to 35 per week. This list cries out for a limit to abuse and a strong hand of moderation. A strict speed limit of 35 posts per week. -Buck
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL lets return to but35 posts per week
turqish delight, why so uptight? trees have a blight? world has a plight? Delay of a flight and no yummies to bite? No sleep in the night, dream fall from a height? Hair such a sight, bed head quite?! No buddies to fight or even feel fright, No posts to write with pinchy of spite? Left too unright, sunny too bright? Blood cells too white, boobies too slight? Pen without might, saber no light? Too much Coke, not enough Sprite? If words too trite and rhyming too shiteOne could go and yes, fly a kite! From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 11:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL lets return to but35 posts per week Stop talking *at* us and talk *with* us. Whatever for? If the function of Internet discussion groups is to provide 'food for thought,' then FFL has become McDonalds.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL lets return to but35 posts per week
I'm wondering if Buck is one the TM'ers who doesn't get calm from meditation but anxiety instead? IOW, TM isn't for him and needs a different technique. On 08/26/2013 07:46 PM, emptybill wrote: Quit complaining. You sound like an old woman with excess stomach acid. Just start your own forum so you can rule it as you choose. Not willing? Then shut the fuck up. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Friends; But we got a larger problem in want of a better decorum for FFL: Yes, by the virtue of the new Yahoo-groups guidelines being placed over us we should directly outlaw the ad hominem and name-calling forms of argument as lower than the lowest and directly banish those who use them here as the fundamental and great threat to our whole way of life here on a Yahoo-group that they are. Kindly, -Buck Yep these people have taken toll the life spark of FairfieldLife here on Yahoo-groups with the Ad hominems. Time comes now to do with serious moderation or surely let the list die entirely. Seems a time has come for action one way or the other. Radical action. Resuscitation or it dies. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, wleed3 wrote: I am leaving if the postings are not reduced much is vitriol Yep, the name-calling and the ad hominem certainly are the low forms of argument here and should certainly be outlawed in civil society and on all Yahoo groups as reprehensible abuse. Yes, by stark contrast certainly the best writing and exchange on FFL was in a time when the post count was limited to 35 per week. This list cries out for a limit to abuse and a strong hand of moderation. A strict speed limit of 35 posts per week. -Buck In a message dated 08/23/13 16:55:50 Eastern Daylight Time, dhamiltony2k5@ writes: Dear Rick, the post-count experiment as a noble hope is clearly failing. The lowest form of writing and argument evidently dominates FFL with their diluting flood of the post-count of FFL. As an elder of the FFL community here I implore you Rick, please save our FFL from the lowest form of argument on FFL, the Ad hominem . These people's abuse of the list and community here with the Ad hominem is too much. Something radical, something different needs to be done to save FFL as a spiritual and free place. Sincerely, -Buck To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL.
Rick, I agree that there have been more substantive discussions on a wider range of topics that occurred with posting limits. I'm reminded of something insightful that seraphita said a few weeks ago about maybe people weren't responding to interesting posts but rather were saving their posts, and here I don't remember exactly what he said but it was something like that maybe people were saving their posts for when they felt they had to defend themselves. Hopefully those who haven't like unlimited posting in the past will at least lurk and see that there are some very good topics which are getting good air time. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 9:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL. snip there have also been many more substantive discussions on a wider range of topics than when the posting limit was in effect. It's just been a pleasure to be able to expand into an interesting conversation. Nobody has been attempting to drown out anybody, but then that was always a silly myth. This past week we had only about 2/3 the number of posts as the previous week (922 vs. 1372). So my prediction that things would slow down once we got used to the new freedom seems to have been borne out.
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Yup, I find a lot of the chatter here boring. Like Rick, I have a filter that copies any message that addresses me to a sub folder on Thunderbird. On 08/23/2013 08:29 AM, Susan wrote: Agreed that a huge percentage of posts here are ad hominum, and usually made by the same people over and over and over. I think they enjoy that type of interaction, thrive on it even. Not my style, though. And not at all the way things used to be here, as you know. One solution is not to read them. At all. Works for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Dear Rick, the post-count experiment as a noble hope is clearly failing. The lowest form of writing and argument evidently dominates FFL with their diluting flood of the post-count of FFL. As an elder of the FFL community here I implore you Rick, please save our FFL from the lowest form of argument on FFL, the Ad hominem . These people's abuse of the list and community here with the Ad hominem is too much. Something radical, something different needs to be done to save FFL as a spiritual and free place. Sincerely, -Buck
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL.
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of salyavin808 Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:53 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Dear Rick, the post-count experiment as a noble hope is clearly failing. The lowest form of writing and argument evidently dominates FFL with their diluting flood of the post-count of FFL. As an elder of the FFL community here I implore you Rick, please save our FFL from the lowest form of argument on FFL, the Ad hominem . These people's abuse of the list and community here with the Ad hominem is too much. Something radical, something different needs to be done to save FFL as a spiritual and free place. Sincerely, -Buck Let's go back to 50 a week and stop the endless dross. If the general consensus is to do so, we'll do so after Alex has had his month's reprieve.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL.
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:50 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@... mailto:rick@... wrote: If the general consensus is to do so, we'll do so after Alex has had his month's reprieve. Perhaps, you missed it, Rick, but I made it clear in an earlier post that if you restore the posting limits, you will need to appoint another moderator to enforce it, i.e., keep track of overposters and shut off/restore posting privileges. I will continue to host the post count script on the crusty old Dell laptop, and I'll handle the usual subscriptions, spammers, files, etc. But, if you don't appoint another moderator, I will simply ignore any overposting. As for who to appoint, IMO, the heavy users of the group should be the ones to handle enforcement of the posting limits. Isn't that a bit like appointing the foxes to guard the hen house?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL.
On 08/23/2013 10:50 AM, Rick Archer wrote: *From:*FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Alex Stanley *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 11:50 AM *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... mailto:rick@... wrote: If the general consensus is to do so, we'll do so after Alex has had his month's reprieve. Perhaps, you missed it, Rick, but I made it clear in an earlier post that if you restore the posting limits, you will need to appoint another moderator to enforce it, i.e., keep track of overposters and shut off/restore posting privileges. I will continue to host the post count script on the crusty old Dell laptop, and I'll handle the usual subscriptions, spammers, files, etc. But, if you don't appoint another moderator, I will simply ignore any overposting. As for who to appoint, IMO, the heavy users of the group should be the ones to handle enforcement of the posting limits. Isn't that a bit like appointing the foxes to guard the hen house? Correct. The heavy users seem to be impulsive. They post knee jerk reactions. Not a sign at all of the calmness that is supposed to be the result of practicing a meditation technique.
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It's Friday. Go have a beer or two. :-D On 08/23/2013 01:50 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: What-The-HELL-Is-That-Supposed-To-Mean --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 08/23/2013 10:50 AM, Rick Archer wrote: *From:*FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:%2AFairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Alex Stanley *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2013 11:50 AM *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Eliminating the Ad hominem Post-count on FFL. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ mailto:rick@ wrote: If the general consensus is to do so, we'll do so after Alex has had his month's reprieve. Perhaps, you missed it, Rick, but I made it clear in an earlier post that if you restore the posting limits, you will need to appoint another moderator to enforce it, i.e., keep track of overposters and shut off/restore posting privileges. I will continue to host the post count script on the crusty old Dell laptop, and I'll handle the usual subscriptions, spammers, files, etc. But, if you don't appoint another moderator, I will simply ignore any overposting. As for who to appoint, IMO, the heavy users of the group should be the ones to handle enforcement of the posting limits. Isn't that a bit like appointing the foxes to guard the hen house? Correct. The heavy users seem to be impulsive. They post knee jerk reactions. Not a sign at all of the calmness that is supposed to be the result of practicing a meditation technique.
