Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ramana, Yoga and Vedanta
Thanks Card. So at the end of the Gita when Arjuna says: I have regained memory, does he say shruti or smriti labdha? Not to make a pun, but I don't remember LOL. On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 12:56 AM, cardemais...@yahoo.com cardemais...@yahoo.com wrote: smRti (memory) is mundane knowledge, shruti (hearing) is Divine Knowledge?? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Ok, emptybill, it's been a long time since I heard about smriti and shruti and it looks like no one else is gonna ask so: what is the difference between them? On Sunday, October 13, 2013 10:41 AM, emptybill@... emptybill@... wrote: Questioner: So you’re talking about Yoga and Vedanta to give some sort of context to his enlightement? Ram: Yes. Now that Ramana is getting fame it is rather sad to see all these Western people coming to Tiruvannamalai with absolutely no notion of the context of his enlightenment and his life, with no understanding of the depth of the Vedic tradition and burdened with amazing and ill-considered views of enlightenment based on their Ramana fantasies. Anyway, Ramana’s type of realization, because it did not occur at the feet of a guru in a traditional Vedantic classroom, is more in line with the tradition of Yoga, although most yogis do not become jnanis as Ramana did. His lifestyle too, sitting in meditation in a cave, is more typical of the yogic tradition than the Vedantic. The reason yogis do not usually become jnanis is because they have often been confused by the language of Yoga into thinking of enlightenment as a permanent experience of samadhi. So when the experience is ‘on’ they are not looking to understand anything, they are simply trying to make the state permanent, sahaja. The joke is that enlightenment is not an experience, nor is there any permanent experience. Furthermore, they do not realize that to make an experience permanent one would have to be a doer, an agent acting on the experience, maintaining it or controlling it or staying in it … which is a dualistic state, not enlightenment.
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ramana, Yoga and Vedanta
Within the context of the discussion, shruti contains the realizations (seen/heard) of the rishi-s while smriti encompasses the recollections and ideas of the teachers of the traditions. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Thanks Card. So at the end of the Gita when Arjuna says: I have regained memory, does he say shruti or smriti labdha? Not to make a pun, but I don't remember LOL. On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 12:56 AM, cardemaister@... cardemaister@... wrote: smRti (memory) is mundane knowledge, shruti (hearing) is Divine Knowledge?? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Ok, emptybill, it's been a long time since I heard about smriti and shruti and it looks like no one else is gonna ask so: what is the difference between them? On Sunday, October 13, 2013 10:41 AM, emptybill@... emptybill@... wrote: Questioner: So you’re talking about Yoga and Vedanta to give some sort of context to his enlightement? Ram: Yes. Now that Ramana is getting fame it is rather sad to see all these Western people coming to Tiruvannamalai with absolutely no notion of the context of his enlightenment and his life, with no understanding of the depth of the Vedic tradition and burdened with amazing and ill-considered views of enlightenment based on their Ramana fantasies. Anyway, Ramana’s type of realization, because it did not occur at the feet of a guru in a traditional Vedantic classroom, is more in line with the tradition of Yoga, although most yogis do not become jnanis as Ramana did. His lifestyle too, sitting in meditation in a cave, is more typical of the yogic tradition than the Vedantic. The reason yogis do not usually become jnanis is because they have often been confused by the language of Yoga into thinking of enlightenment as a permanent experience of samadhi. So when the experience is ‘on’ they are not looking to understand anything, they are simply trying to make the state permanent, sahaja. The joke is that enlightenment is not an experience, nor is there any permanent experience. Furthermore, they do not realize that to make an experience permanent one would have to be a doer, an agent acting on the experience, maintaining it or controlling it or staying in it … which is a dualistic state, not enlightenment.
Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ramana, Yoga and Vedanta
emptybill, thank you. I googled on Maharishi shruti smriti, in case you might enjoy: ‘And this invincible order—you want one more word to comprehend the invincible order? I give you one word more. And that is Smriti. “Smriti” is a word from the Vedic Literature. Smriti—we can hardly translate it, but nearest to that translation will be “memory”—memory. The administration of the universe through the Constitution of the Universe is carried out by one quality of intelligence, and that quality of intelligence is Smriti—memory, memory. ‘Where is this memory? See where is the memory. Memory will be in the point of infinity. The point has the memory of infinity; infinity has the memory of point. This memory determines the relationship of one with the other. And in this relationship is the law. The law—Shruti.Smriti gives rise to Shruti. Shruti is that which is heard; memory is that which is silent—memory. The point has the memory of infinity; infinity has the memory of point; unity has the memory of diversity; diversity has the memory of unity. This is Constitution of the Universe. ‘And on the functioning level, on the dynamic level—Smriti. What is the Sanskrit word for it? The Sanskrit word for the functioning of Smriti, the functioning of memory, is: Yatha purvam akalpayat. Yatha purvam akalpayat. Yatha purvam akalpayat This defines the functioning quality of the Constitution of the Universe: Yatha purvam akalpayat—“As it was before”. On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 7:59 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: Within the context of the discussion, shruti contains the realizations (seen/heard) of the rishi-s while smriti encompasses the recollections and ideas of the teachers of the traditions. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Thanks Card. So at the end of the Gita when Arjuna says: I have regained memory, does he say shruti or smriti labdha? Not to make a pun, but I don't remember LOL. On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 12:56 AM, cardemaister@... cardemaister@... wrote: smRti (memory) is mundane knowledge, shruti (hearing) is Divine Knowledge?? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Ok, emptybill, it's been a long time since I heard about smriti and shruti and it looks like no one else is gonna ask so: what is the difference between them? On Sunday, October 13, 2013 10:41 AM, emptybill@... emptybill@... wrote: Questioner: So you’re talking about Yoga and Vedanta to give some sort of context to his enlightement? Ram: Yes. Now that Ramana is getting fame it is rather sad to see all these Western people coming to Tiruvannamalai with absolutely no notion of the context of his enlightenment and his life, with no understanding of the depth of the Vedic tradition and burdened with amazing and ill-considered views of enlightenment based on their Ramana fantasies. Anyway, Ramana’s type of realization, because it did not occur at the feet of a guru in a traditional Vedantic classroom, is more in line with the tradition of Yoga, although most yogis do not become jnanis as Ramana did. His lifestyle too, sitting in meditation in a cave, is more typical of the yogic tradition than the Vedantic. The reason yogis do not usually become jnanis is because they have often been confused by the language of Yoga into thinking of enlightenment as a permanent experience of samadhi. So when the experience is ‘on’ they are not looking to understand anything, they are simply trying to make the state permanent, sahaja. The joke is that enlightenment is not an experience, nor is there any permanent experience. Furthermore, they do not realize that to make an experience permanent one would have to be a doer, an agent acting on the experience, maintaining it or controlling it or staying in it … which is a dualistic state, not enlightenment.
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ramana, Yoga and Vedanta
smRti (memory) is mundane knowledge, shruti (hearing) is Divine Knowledge?? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Ok, emptybill, it's been a long time since I heard about smriti and shruti and it looks like no one else is gonna ask so: what is the difference between them? On Sunday, October 13, 2013 10:41 AM, emptybill@... emptybill@... wrote: Questioner: So you’re talking about Yoga and Vedanta to give some sort of context to his enlightement? Ram: Yes. Now that Ramana is getting fame it is rather sad to see all these Western people coming to Tiruvannamalai with absolutely no notion of the context of his enlightenment and his life, with no understanding of the depth of the Vedic tradition and burdened with amazing and ill-considered views of enlightenment based on their Ramana fantasies. Anyway, Ramana’s type of realization, because it did not occur at the feet of a guru in a traditional Vedantic classroom, is more in line with the tradition of Yoga, although most yogis do not become jnanis as Ramana did. His lifestyle too, sitting in meditation in a cave, is more typical of the yogic tradition than the Vedantic. The reason yogis do not usually become jnanis is because they have often been confused by the language of Yoga into thinking of enlightenment as a permanent experience of samadhi. So when the experience is ‘on’ they are not looking to understand anything, they are simply trying to make the state permanent, sahaja. The joke is that enlightenment is not an experience, nor is there any permanent experience. Furthermore, they do not realize that to make an experience permanent one would have to be a doer, an agent acting on the experience, maintaining it or controlling it or staying in it … which is a dualistic state, not enlightenment.
