Re: [FairfieldLife] Another interesting article: the Identity Protective Cognition Thesis

2013-11-02 Thread Share Long
Thanks for 2 fascinating articles, turq. I was realizing yesterday during the 
Clinton exchanges, that we humans like to think that we're being logical and 
reasonable and intelligent about our political choices. But I could feel in 
myself on subtler levels, that my conclusions about Hillary Clinton are not 
derived only from facts and observables and logic. So I agree with the author 
when he says at the end that education must aim at something more subtle and 
not so easy to measure. I'd add that often that something is also a challenge 
in terms of articulation. But it's great fun to keep attempting to articulate 
what's elusive and or complex. Yikes! I've slipped into preaching to the choir!





On Saturday, November 2, 2013 4:17 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
One that might be of interest to those who seem compelled to prove how much 
smarter they are than others. As a quote from the article and the research it 
reports on says:

A recent  study by Yale's  Dan M. Kahan and colleagues might be thought to call 
these 
truisms of democratic political culture into question. According to the 
finding, the better you are at reasoning numerically, the more likely you are 
to let your political bias skew your quantitative reasoning. Put another way, 
the brainier you are, the better you can twist facts to 
your own pre-existing convictions. And that's what you will tend to 
do.http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2013/11/01/242138044/the-smarter-you-are-the-stupider-you-are?ft=1f=
  





Re: [FairfieldLife] Another interesting article: the Identity Protective Cognition Thesis

2013-11-02 Thread Share Long
Whoops! turq, thanks for THREE fascinating articles this morning. Whew, close 
call, good save, etc! 





On Saturday, November 2, 2013 6:28 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Thanks for 2 fascinating articles, turq. I was realizing yesterday during the 
Clinton exchanges, that we humans like to think that we're being logical and 
reasonable and intelligent about our political choices. But I could feel in 
myself on subtler levels, that my conclusions about Hillary Clinton are not 
derived only from facts and observables and logic. So I agree with the author 
when he says at the end that education must aim at something more subtle and 
not so easy to measure. I'd add that often that something is also a challenge 
in terms of articulation. But it's great fun to keep attempting to articulate 
what's elusive and or complex. Yikes! I've slipped into preaching to the choir!





On Saturday, November 2, 2013 4:17 AM, TurquoiseB turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
One that might be of interest to those who seem compelled to prove how much 
smarter they are than others. As a quote from the article and the research it 
reports on says:

A recent  study by Yale's  Dan M. Kahan and colleagues might be thought to call 
these 
truisms of democratic political culture into question. According to the 
finding, the better you are at reasoning numerically, the more likely you are 
to let your political bias skew your quantitative reasoning. Put another way, 
the brainier you are, the better you can twist facts to 
your own pre-existing convictions. And that's what you will tend to 
do.http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2013/11/01/242138044/the-smarter-you-are-the-stupider-you-are?ft=1f=
  







RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Another interesting article: the Identity Protective Cognition Thesis

2013-11-02 Thread authfriend
Share wrote:
 (snip)
  I was realizing yesterday during the Clinton exchanges, that we humans like 
  to think that 
  we're being logical and reasonable and intelligent about our political 
  choices. But I could feel 
  in myself on subtler levels, that my conclusions about Hillary Clinton are 
  not derived only 
  from facts and observables and logic.
 

 Um, that's what I was telling you yesterday and you were denying, Share. 
Especially in the case of politicians' private lives, there's more to them than 
facts and observables and logic, and that more is what we cannot possibly 
know. So our conclusions are always going to be based on our fantasies of what, 
say, a couple's marriage is like. And if we then base our political choices on 
those fantasies (doormat, enabler), we're more likely than not to go 
seriously astray.