Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
My experiences I had at MIU from 1976-80 were wonderful. I would not trade them for anything. I made many long-lasting friendships and it led me to appreciate people from all walks of life. I grew in a very small farming town in east central Minnesota. My time at MIU exposed me to a much bigger world. I have been a public school teacher for 31 years and MIU gave me a strong foundation to be successful in my professional life, marriage and family.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
You may see me as that Alex, I don't. Good shot though. I too had good experiences at MIU - some were of the meditative type and others were with general life in a rather bizarre setting of a cult that was not viewed as a cult at the time. Some of the friendships I made then I still have and still value them today. None of the positive experiences I had in the working for nothing so the Movement could get richer context prevents me from seeing Liar Marshy and his Movement with a clear eye today. I think it is a good thing for those of us who once supported the TMO in various ways to be honest about what it was and what it is. I was a True Believer and supported the TMO during the time when Marshy was still chasing women, was taking money under false pretenses and TM related suicides were ongoing. The Movement does a great deal of damage in people's lives in some cases, and at a minimum sells nostrums and snake oil. If you can't see it, or don't want to admit it, so be it. But your insistence on ignoring these things doesn't make them untrue, nor does it make them go away. From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years What you don't seem to understand is that MJ is the Universal Grand Arbiter of Absolute Reality. Therefore, what you think your personal experience was at MIU is completely invalid. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : No no, not at all. I don't accept your view. I had a great time at MIU. I wasn't conned for a moment. It was intellectually and spiritually rewarding. I don't regret a single minute of it. We had some terrific students in those days, and deep and serious idea were discussed. It was wonderful that we were all focused on spiritual development. And we had a good teacher, too. (And some of the cakes in HW dining hall were pretty good too, so thanks for those.) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are just still trying to not admit that Marshy and the TMO are and were con artists because if you did you would have to reassess your time at MIU/MUM. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years Everything you write here confirms my point. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I don't care what L wrote -I was not addressing what he wrote, I was addressing what Roth said in part of the tape when Brand surprisingly addressed the high cost of TM. The Movement IS a cartoon peopled by a lot of whacked out characters that believe a lot of superstitious nonsense. It would in fact make a fine cartoon, if one wanted to make a cartoon for adults about a prideful huckster who passed himself off as a spiritual teacher and created what became in time a neo-Hindu cult that bilked thousands out of millions and led some to mental breakdowns and suicide. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years You need to improve your reading skills, Michael: a) you don't address L.'s point, below, and b) Bob Roth was speaking about what he hoped could be established in the future, not what it has been in the past. Your entire view of TM and the TM movement might best be described as cartoonish. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Go ask any TM teacher from the last 60 years how much they made teaching TM. Also ask the people who run the Movement how they justify asking the public to fund this crap when the Movement has billions in assets. Take a look at the palace Girish lives in and you'll have your answer. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years Eh. The DLF hires TM teachers at a set fee and sends them to various places to teach groups of people, such as all kids in a San Francisco school. You know, this points up a certain hypocrisy on your part: you try your hardest (and brag when you succeed) to make sure that kids cannot learn TM via the DLF and then accuse the DLF people of lying through their teeth when they say they want to make TM available to as many kids as possible under the model for TM teaching that you oppose and pay the TM teacher a decent wage while doing so. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : What little I watched shows me that Bob Roth is a lying ass. He is talking about how he wants the TM teachers to be able
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
What little I watched shows me that Bob Roth is a lying ass. He is talking
about how he wants the TM teachers to be able to raise a family on teaching TM?
When in the hell has that EVER been possible in 60 years of the Movement?
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 8:32 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
about 36 minutes into the interview with Russell Brand:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=8HZeyDn13mw
What is interesting about this interview is how Brand looks and acts. He is
completely off character for 99% of the interview.
L
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
Eh. The DLF hires TM teachers at a set fee and sends them to various places to teach groups of people, such as all kids in a San Francisco school. You know, this points up a certain hypocrisy on your part: you try your hardest (and brag when you succeed) to make sure that kids cannot learn TM via the DLF and then accuse the DLF people of lying through their teeth when they say they want to make TM available to as many kids as possible under the model for TM teaching that you oppose and pay the TM teacher a decent wage while doing so. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : What little I watched shows me that Bob Roth is a lying ass. He is talking about how he wants the TM teachers to be able to raise a family on teaching TM? When in the hell has that EVER been possible in 60 years of the Movement? From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 8:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years about 36 minutes into the interview with Russell Brand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=8HZeyDn13mw https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=8HZeyDn13mw#t=2201 What is interesting about this interview is how Brand looks and acts. He is completely off character for 99% of the interview. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
Go ask any TM teacher from the last 60 years how much they made teaching TM.
Also ask the people who run the Movement how they justify asking the public to
fund this crap when the Movement has billions in assets. Take a look at the
palace Girish lives in and you'll have your answer.
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
Eh.
The DLF hires TM teachers at a set fee and sends them to various places to
teach groups of people, such as all kids in a San Francisco school.
You know, this points up a certain hypocrisy on your part: you try your hardest
(and brag when you succeed) to make sure that kids cannot learn TM via the DLF
and then accuse the DLF people of lying through their teeth when they say they
want to make TM available to as many kids as possible under the model for TM
teaching that you oppose and pay the TM teacher a decent wage while doing so.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
What little I watched shows me that Bob Roth is a lying ass. He is talking
about how he wants the TM teachers to be able to raise a family on teaching TM?
When in the hell has that EVER been possible in 60 years of the Movement?
From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 8:32 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
about 36 minutes into the interview with Russell Brand:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=8HZeyDn13mw
What is interesting about this interview is how Brand looks and acts. He is
completely off character for 99% of the interview.
L
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
You need to improve your reading skills, Michael: a) you don't address L.'s point, below, and b) Bob Roth was speaking about what he hoped could be established in the future, not what it has been in the past. Your entire view of TM and the TM movement might best be described as cartoonish. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Go ask any TM teacher from the last 60 years how much they made teaching TM. Also ask the people who run the Movement how they justify asking the public to fund this crap when the Movement has billions in assets. Take a look at the palace Girish lives in and you'll have your answer. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years Eh. The DLF hires TM teachers at a set fee and sends them to various places to teach groups of people, such as all kids in a San Francisco school. You know, this points up a certain hypocrisy on your part: you try your hardest (and brag when you succeed) to make sure that kids cannot learn TM via the DLF and then accuse the DLF people of lying through their teeth when they say they want to make TM available to as many kids as possible under the model for TM teaching that you oppose and pay the TM teacher a decent wage while doing so. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : What little I watched shows me that Bob Roth is a lying ass. He is talking about how he wants the TM teachers to be able to raise a family on teaching TM? When in the hell has that EVER been possible in 60 years of the Movement? From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 8:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years about 36 minutes into the interview with Russell Brand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=8HZeyDn13mw https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=8HZeyDn13mw#t=2201 What is interesting about this interview is how Brand looks and acts. He is completely off character for 99% of the interview. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
In the 1970s. When I became a teacher the idea was working professionals who taught TM on the side. Then about a year after my TTC the MIU graduated it's first students and then we got the announcement we were to give over teaching to the MIU grads. That's when TM lost a lot of teachers as well as practitioners. The kids needed mentoring not just an MIU degree. They lacked experience in life and couldn't interact well with the wide range of people who even just came in for checking. When I came back from TTC I taught a couple courses with an experienced teacher and was grateful for it. And I was about 10 years older than a college grad. Kinda reminds me of the problem with today's tech industry. On 12/19/2014 05:41 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: What little I watched shows me that Bob Roth is a lying ass. He is talking about how he wants the TM teachers to be able to raise a family on teaching TM? When in the hell has that EVER been possible in 60 years of the Movement? *From:* lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, December 19, 2014 8:32 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years about 36 minutes into the interview with Russell Brand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=8HZeyDn13mw https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=8HZeyDn13mw#t=2201 What is interesting about this interview is how Brand looks and acts. He is completely off character for 99% of the interview. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
I thought the first graduating class of MIU was mostly older teachers. My class in 75 (graduated in 79) was the first class with some actual college age students in it. Interesting to hear how the movement screwed the teachers in the field. We got screwed another way. We went through phase one during our forest academies and did our phase two during the summers. We were advised not to interrupt our education and get our phase three before we graduated. Being a good boy I listened to that advice. Then when I graduated, ready for phase three, Maharishi cancelled our credit for our phase one and two! So I had to work at sidhaland for three years to get back to phase freaking ONE and redue phase two. If I had done it as part of my degree I would have had the funds as part of my college education. For a kicker when I had worked for the credit to redo phase one, my sidhaland didn't have the money so the rejected me for phase one and I had to switch to another facility to work longer to get back to where I started with phase one. In my cult addled brain it was all a test of my devotion! Doing phase two twice gave me an experience of the different cultures between the field teachers and us whippersnappers. The resentment was understandable in retrospect. The callus way that the movement F'ed with our lives ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : In the 1970s. When I became a teacher the idea was working professionals who taught TM on the side. Then about a year after my TTC the MIU graduated it's first students and then we got the announcement we were to give over teaching to the MIU grads. That's when TM lost a lot of teachers as well as practitioners. The kids needed mentoring not just an MIU degree. They lacked experience in life and couldn't interact well with the wide range of people who even just came in for checking. When I came back from TTC I taught a couple courses with an experienced teacher and was grateful for it. And I was about 10 years older than a college grad. Kinda reminds me of the problem with today's tech industry. On 12/19/2014 05:41 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: What little I watched shows me that Bob Roth is a lying ass. He is talking about how he wants the TM teachers to be able to raise a family on teaching TM? When in the hell has that EVER been possible in 60 years of the Movement? From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:LEnglish5@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 8:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years about 36 minutes into the interview with Russell Brand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=8HZeyDn13mw https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=8HZeyDn13mw#t=2201 What is interesting about this interview is how Brand looks and acts. He is completely off character for 99% of the interview. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
That's awful that you had to redo those phases. Hell the whole thing could have been taught in one month as they originally were. The rest was mostly indoctrination. A lot of the teachers at our SIMS center were college students, some of them post graduate. They related well to other students. The woman who ran the SRM center did so out of her house and was married and had high school age children. She had great meetings for TM'ers there. Her husband had a degree in theology so we had some deep discussions. The satellite centers the popped up in the late 70s were run by folks who had full time jobs (many in the tech field). Since I was a working musician and had days free they often had me sit on center a couple days a week as well as teaching a course or two when I didn't have a night gig. They also gave me a fair share of the income. I mentioned mentoring because the word was students don't have enough experience in life to be turned loose on the public. The same thing has happened in the tech industry. Back in the 1990s when I was a hiring manager we put fresh grads under the wing of somebody and they were grateful for it. On 12/19/2014 09:32 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I thought the first graduating class of MIU was mostly older teachers. My class in 75 (graduated in 79) was the first class with some actual college age students in it. Interesting to hear how the movement screwed the teachers in the field. We got screwed another way. We went through phase one during our forest academies and did our phase two during the summers. We were advised not to interrupt our education and get our phase three before we graduated. Being a good boy I listened to that advice. Then when I graduated, ready for phase three, Maharishi cancelled our credit for our phase one and two! So I had to work at sidhaland for three years to get back to phase freaking ONE and redue phase two. If I had done it as part of my degree I would have had the funds as part of my college education. For a kicker when I had worked for the credit to redo phase one, my sidhaland didn't have the money so the rejected me for phase one and I had to switch to another facility to work longer to get back to where I started with phase one. In my cult addled brain it was all a test of my devotion! Doing phase two twice gave me an experience of the different cultures between the field teachers and us whippersnappers. The resentment was understandable in retrospect. The callus way that the movement F'ed with our lives ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : In the 1970s. When I became a teacher the idea was working professionals who taught TM on the side. Then about a year after my TTC the MIU graduated it's first students and then we got the announcement we were to give over teaching to the MIU grads. That's when TM lost a lot of teachers as well as practitioners. The kids needed mentoring not just an MIU degree. They lacked experience in life and couldn't interact well with the wide range of people who even just came in for checking. When I came back from TTC I taught a couple courses with an experienced teacher and was grateful for it. And I was about 10 years older than a college grad. Kinda reminds me of the problem with today's tech industry. On 12/19/2014 05:41 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: What little I watched shows me that Bob Roth is a lying ass. He is talking about how he wants the TM teachers to be able to raise a family on teaching TM? When in the hell has that EVER been possible in 60 years of the Movement? *From:* LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:LEnglish5@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, December 19, 2014 8:32 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years about 36 minutes into the interview with Russell Brand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=8HZeyDn13mw https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=8HZeyDn13mw#t=2201 What is interesting about this interview is how Brand looks and acts. He is completely off character for 99% of the interview. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
I don't care what L wrote -I was not addressing what he wrote, I was addressing
what Roth said in part of the tape when Brand surprisingly addressed the high
cost of TM.
The Movement IS a cartoon peopled by a lot of whacked out characters that
believe a lot of superstitious nonsense. It would in fact make a fine cartoon,
if one wanted to make a cartoon for adults about a prideful huckster who passed
himself off as a spiritual teacher and created what became in time a neo-Hindu
cult that bilked thousands out of millions and led some to mental breakdowns
and suicide.
From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
You need to improve your reading skills, Michael: a) you don't address L.'s
point, below, and b) Bob Roth was speaking about what he hoped could be
established in the future, not what it has been in the past. Your entire view
of TM and the TM movement might best be described as cartoonish.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
Go ask any TM teacher from the last 60 years how much they made teaching TM.
Also ask the people who run the Movement how they justify asking the public to
fund this crap when the Movement has billions in assets. Take a look at the
palace Girish lives in and you'll have your answer.
From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
Eh.
The DLF hires TM teachers at a set fee and sends them to various places to
teach groups of people, such as all kids in a San Francisco school.
You know, this points up a certain hypocrisy on your part: you try your hardest
(and brag when you succeed) to make sure that kids cannot learn TM via the DLF
and then accuse the DLF people of lying through their teeth when they say they
want to make TM available to as many kids as possible under the model for TM
teaching that you oppose and pay the TM teacher a decent wage while doing so.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
What little I watched shows me that Bob Roth is a lying ass. He is talking
about how he wants the TM teachers to be able to raise a family on teaching TM?
When in the hell has that EVER been possible in 60 years of the Movement?
From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 8:32 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
about 36 minutes into the interview with Russell Brand:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=8HZeyDn13mw
What is interesting about this interview is how Brand looks and acts. He is
completely off character for 99% of the interview.
L
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
Most of the TM teachers I knew were broke ass True Believers who beggared
themselves and alienated their families to pursue enlightenment through
following Marshy and doing TM.
There were a few who already had money and the others lived in their shadow in
one way or another. I never met a TM teacher who came from money that did not
create an aura of superciliousness between himself and the financially
struggling TM teachers. The elitism in the Movement was always more pronounced
there from what I saw.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
In the 1970s. When I became a teacher the idea was working professionals
who taught TM on the side. Then about a year after my TTC the MIU graduated
it's first students and then we got the announcement we were to give over
teaching to the MIU grads. That's when TM lost a lot of teachers as well as
practitioners. The kids needed mentoring not just an MIU degree. They lacked
experience in life and couldn't interact well with the wide range of people who
even just came in for checking. When I came back from TTC I taught a couple
courses with an experienced teacher and was grateful for it. And I was about
10 years older than a college grad.
Kinda reminds me of the problem with today's tech industry.
On 12/19/2014 05:41 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
What little I watched shows me that Bob Roth is a lying ass. He is talking
about how he wants the TM teachers to be able to raise a family on teaching TM?
When in the hell has that EVER been possible in 60 years of the Movement?
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 8:32 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
about 36 minutes into the interview with Russell Brand:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=8HZeyDn13mw
What is interesting about this interview is how Brand looks and acts. He is
completely off character for 99% of the interview.
L
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
Did it occur to you that the advice to not get Phase 3 during summer break was
deliberate on Marshy's part? When they saw how much money they were to lose by
having you not pay I am sure he did it on purpose, to line his coffers.
Just another story illustrating how Marshy was not enlightened, how he and his
sycophantic TM Movement leaders were focused money and didn't give a rat's ass
about the lives of the initiators or anyone else for that matter. And another
story giving lie to the idea that TM is a superlative practice.
I wonder if any particular excuse was made the the credit cancellation?
From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
I thought the first graduating class of MIU was mostly older teachers. My class
in 75 (graduated in 79) was the first class with some actual college age
students in it. Interesting to hear how the movement screwed the teachers in
the field. We got screwed another way. We went through phase one during our
forest academies and did our phase two during the summers. We were advised not
to interrupt our education and get our phase three before we graduated. Being a
good boy I listened to that advice. Then when I graduated, ready for phase
three, Maharishi cancelled our credit for our phase one and two! So I had to
work at sidhaland for three years to get back to phase freaking ONE and redue
phase two. If I had done it as part of my degree I would have had the funds as
part of my college education. For a kicker when I had worked for the credit to
redo phase one, my sidhaland didn't have the money so the rejected me for phase
one and I had to switch to another facility to work longer to get back to where
I started with phase one. In my cult addled brain it was all a test of my
devotion!
Doing phase two twice gave me an experience of the different cultures between
the field teachers and us whippersnappers. The resentment was understandable in
retrospect.
The callus way that the movement F'ed with our lives
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
In the 1970s. When I became a teacherthe idea was working professionals who
taught TM on the side. Then about a year after my TTC the MIU graduated it's
firststudents and then we got the announcement we were to give overteaching to
the MIU grads. That's when TM lost a lot of teachersas well as practitioners.
The kids needed mentoring not just anMIU degree. They lacked experience in
life and couldn't interactwell with the wide range of people who even just came
in forchecking. When I came back from TTC I taught a couple courseswith an
experienced teacher and was grateful for it. And I wasabout 10 years older
than a college grad.
Kinda reminds me of the problem with today's tech industry.
On 12/19/2014 05:41 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@...[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Whatlittle I watched shows me that Bob Roth is a lying ass.He is talking
about how he wants the TM teachers to beable to raise a family on teaching TM?
When in the hellhas that EVER been possible in 60 years of the Movement?
From:LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, December 19, 2014 8:32 AM
Subject:[FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10million in 3 years
about 36 minutes into theinterview with Russell Brand:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=8HZeyDn13mw
Whatis interesting about this interview ishow Brand looks and acts. He
iscompletely off character for 99% ofthe interview.
L
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Did it occur to you that the advice to not get Phase 3 during summer break was deliberate on Marshy's part? When they saw how much money they were to lose by having you not pay I am sure he did it on purpose, to line his coffers. C: Then, no. Now, yes. M: Just another story illustrating how Marshy was not enlightened, how he and his sycophantic TM Movement leaders were focused money and didn't give a rat's ass about the lives of the initiators or anyone else for that matter. And another story giving lie to the idea that TM is a superlative practice. C: I am not sure what you are comparing Maharishi's enlightenment to. I don't believe I have seen any convincing evidence of anyone functioning from a state that would live up to that hype. I know about altered states of consciousness and have had plenty of them myself. So I accept that people can be functioning from an altered state then most of us for good or bad. But the superlatives attached to the concept of enlightenment seem to have the solidity of a concept like being saved. It seems like a head trip people assume to lay on others to me. M: I wonder if any particular excuse was made the the credit cancellation? C: They said our training had not been rigorous enough at MIU with the course spread out the way we did it. As a believer I accepted that but really just thought of is as my personal karmic test of my devotion to becoming a teacher. I probably would have come out of it all quicker if I didn't have the magic of TTC and the puja as the carrot at the end of the stick. Of course I have to admit I had a blast during my movement days. People have done worse in their 20's than being completely full of this particular version of bullshit! From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years I thought the first graduating class of MIU was mostly older teachers. My class in 75 (graduated in 79) was the first class with some actual college age students in it. Interesting to hear how the movement screwed the teachers in the field. We got screwed another way. We went through phase one during our forest academies and did our phase two during the summers. We were advised not to interrupt our education and get our phase three before we graduated. Being a good boy I listened to that advice. Then when I graduated, ready for phase three, Maharishi cancelled our credit for our phase one and two! So I had to work at sidhaland for three years to get back to phase freaking ONE and redue phase two. If I had done it as part of my degree I would have had the funds as part of my college education. For a kicker when I had worked for the credit to redo phase one, my sidhaland didn't have the money so the rejected me for phase one and I had to switch to another facility to work longer to get back to where I started with phase one. In my cult addled brain it was all a test of my devotion! Doing phase two twice gave me an experience of the different cultures between the field teachers and us whippersnappers. The resentment was understandable in retrospect. The callus way that the movement F'ed with our lives ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : In the 1970s. When I became a teacher the idea was working professionals who taught TM on the side. Then about a year after my TTC the MIU graduated it's first students and then we got the announcement we were to give over teaching to the MIU grads. That's when TM lost a lot of teachers as well as practitioners. The kids needed mentoring not just an MIU degree. They lacked experience in life and couldn't interact well with the wide range of people who even just came in for checking. When I came back from TTC I taught a couple courses with an experienced teacher and was grateful for it. And I was about 10 years older than a college grad. Kinda reminds me of the problem with today's tech industry. On 12/19/2014 05:41 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: What little I watched shows me that Bob Roth is a lying ass. He is talking about how he wants the TM teachers to be able to raise a family on teaching TM? When in the hell has that EVER been possible in 60 years of the Movement? From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:LEnglish5@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 8:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years about 36 minutes into the interview with Russell Brand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=8HZeyDn13mw
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
Everything you write here confirms my point. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I don't care what L wrote -I was not addressing what he wrote, I was addressing what Roth said in part of the tape when Brand surprisingly addressed the high cost of TM. The Movement IS a cartoon peopled by a lot of whacked out characters that believe a lot of superstitious nonsense. It would in fact make a fine cartoon, if one wanted to make a cartoon for adults about a prideful huckster who passed himself off as a spiritual teacher and created what became in time a neo-Hindu cult that bilked thousands out of millions and led some to mental breakdowns and suicide. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years You need to improve your reading skills, Michael: a) you don't address L.'s point, below, and b) Bob Roth was speaking about what he hoped could be established in the future, not what it has been in the past. Your entire view of TM and the TM movement might best be described as cartoonish. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Go ask any TM teacher from the last 60 years how much they made teaching TM. Also ask the people who run the Movement how they justify asking the public to fund this crap when the Movement has billions in assets. Take a look at the palace Girish lives in and you'll have your answer. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years Eh. The DLF hires TM teachers at a set fee and sends them to various places to teach groups of people, such as all kids in a San Francisco school. You know, this points up a certain hypocrisy on your part: you try your hardest (and brag when you succeed) to make sure that kids cannot learn TM via the DLF and then accuse the DLF people of lying through their teeth when they say they want to make TM available to as many kids as possible under the model for TM teaching that you oppose and pay the TM teacher a decent wage while doing so. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : What little I watched shows me that Bob Roth is a lying ass. He is talking about how he wants the TM teachers to be able to raise a family on teaching TM? When in the hell has that EVER been possible in 60 years of the Movement? From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 8:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years about 36 minutes into the interview with Russell Brand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=8HZeyDn13mw https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=8HZeyDn13mw#t=2201 What is interesting about this interview is how Brand looks and acts. He is completely off character for 99% of the interview. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
You are just still trying to not admit that Marshy and the TMO are and were con
artists because if you did you would have to reassess your time at MIU/MUM.
From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
Everything you write here confirms my point.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
I don't care what L wrote -I was not addressing what he wrote, I was addressing
what Roth said in part of the tape when Brand surprisingly addressed the high
cost of TM.
The Movement IS a cartoon peopled by a lot of whacked out characters that
believe a lot of superstitious nonsense. It would in fact make a fine cartoon,
if one wanted to make a cartoon for adults about a prideful huckster who passed
himself off as a spiritual teacher and created what became in time a neo-Hindu
cult that bilked thousands out of millions and led some to mental breakdowns
and suicide.
From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
You need to improve your reading skills, Michael: a) you don't address L.'s
point, below, and b) Bob Roth was speaking about what he hoped could be
established in the future, not what it has been in the past. Your entire view
of TM and the TM movement might best be described as cartoonish.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
Go ask any TM teacher from the last 60 years how much they made teaching TM.
Also ask the people who run the Movement how they justify asking the public to
fund this crap when the Movement has billions in assets. Take a look at the
palace Girish lives in and you'll have your answer.
From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
Eh.
The DLF hires TM teachers at a set fee and sends them to various places to
teach groups of people, such as all kids in a San Francisco school.
You know, this points up a certain hypocrisy on your part: you try your hardest
(and brag when you succeed) to make sure that kids cannot learn TM via the DLF
and then accuse the DLF people of lying through their teeth when they say they
want to make TM available to as many kids as possible under the model for TM
teaching that you oppose and pay the TM teacher a decent wage while doing so.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
What little I watched shows me that Bob Roth is a lying ass. He is talking
about how he wants the TM teachers to be able to raise a family on teaching TM?
When in the hell has that EVER been possible in 60 years of the Movement?
From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 8:32 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
about 36 minutes into the interview with Russell Brand:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=8HZeyDn13mw
What is interesting about this interview is how Brand looks and acts. He is
completely off character for 99% of the interview.
L
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
No no, not at all. I don't accept your view. I had a great time at MIU. I wasn't conned for a moment. It was intellectually and spiritually rewarding. I don't regret a single minute of it. We had some terrific students in those days, and deep and serious idea were discussed. It was wonderful that we were all focused on spiritual development. And we had a good teacher, too. (And some of the cakes in HW dining hall were pretty good too, so thanks for those.) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are just still trying to not admit that Marshy and the TMO are and were con artists because if you did you would have to reassess your time at MIU/MUM. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years Everything you write here confirms my point. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I don't care what L wrote -I was not addressing what he wrote, I was addressing what Roth said in part of the tape when Brand surprisingly addressed the high cost of TM. The Movement IS a cartoon peopled by a lot of whacked out characters that believe a lot of superstitious nonsense. It would in fact make a fine cartoon, if one wanted to make a cartoon for adults about a prideful huckster who passed himself off as a spiritual teacher and created what became in time a neo-Hindu cult that bilked thousands out of millions and led some to mental breakdowns and suicide. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years You need to improve your reading skills, Michael: a) you don't address L.'s point, below, and b) Bob Roth was speaking about what he hoped could be established in the future, not what it has been in the past. Your entire view of TM and the TM movement might best be described as cartoonish. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Go ask any TM teacher from the last 60 years how much they made teaching TM. Also ask the people who run the Movement how they justify asking the public to fund this crap when the Movement has billions in assets. Take a look at the palace Girish lives in and you'll have your answer. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years Eh. The DLF hires TM teachers at a set fee and sends them to various places to teach groups of people, such as all kids in a San Francisco school. You know, this points up a certain hypocrisy on your part: you try your hardest (and brag when you succeed) to make sure that kids cannot learn TM via the DLF and then accuse the DLF people of lying through their teeth when they say they want to make TM available to as many kids as possible under the model for TM teaching that you oppose and pay the TM teacher a decent wage while doing so. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : What little I watched shows me that Bob Roth is a lying ass. He is talking about how he wants the TM teachers to be able to raise a family on teaching TM? When in the hell has that EVER been possible in 60 years of the Movement? From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 8:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years about 36 minutes into the interview with Russell Brand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=8HZeyDn13mw https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=8HZeyDn13mw#t=2201 What is interesting about this interview is how Brand looks and acts. He is completely off character for 99% of the interview. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years
What you don't seem to understand is that MJ is the Universal Grand Arbiter of Absolute Reality. Therefore, what you think your personal experience was at MIU is completely invalid. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : No no, not at all. I don't accept your view. I had a great time at MIU. I wasn't conned for a moment. It was intellectually and spiritually rewarding. I don't regret a single minute of it. We had some terrific students in those days, and deep and serious idea were discussed. It was wonderful that we were all focused on spiritual development. And we had a good teacher, too. (And some of the cakes in HW dining hall were pretty good too, so thanks for those.) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You are just still trying to not admit that Marshy and the TMO are and were con artists because if you did you would have to reassess your time at MIU/MUM. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years Everything you write here confirms my point. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I don't care what L wrote -I was not addressing what he wrote, I was addressing what Roth said in part of the tape when Brand surprisingly addressed the high cost of TM. The Movement IS a cartoon peopled by a lot of whacked out characters that believe a lot of superstitious nonsense. It would in fact make a fine cartoon, if one wanted to make a cartoon for adults about a prideful huckster who passed himself off as a spiritual teacher and created what became in time a neo-Hindu cult that bilked thousands out of millions and led some to mental breakdowns and suicide. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years You need to improve your reading skills, Michael: a) you don't address L.'s point, below, and b) Bob Roth was speaking about what he hoped could be established in the future, not what it has been in the past. Your entire view of TM and the TM movement might best be described as cartoonish. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Go ask any TM teacher from the last 60 years how much they made teaching TM. Also ask the people who run the Movement how they justify asking the public to fund this crap when the Movement has billions in assets. Take a look at the palace Girish lives in and you'll have your answer. From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years Eh. The DLF hires TM teachers at a set fee and sends them to various places to teach groups of people, such as all kids in a San Francisco school. You know, this points up a certain hypocrisy on your part: you try your hardest (and brag when you succeed) to make sure that kids cannot learn TM via the DLF and then accuse the DLF people of lying through their teeth when they say they want to make TM available to as many kids as possible under the model for TM teaching that you oppose and pay the TM teacher a decent wage while doing so. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : What little I watched shows me that Bob Roth is a lying ass. He is talking about how he wants the TM teachers to be able to raise a family on teaching TM? When in the hell has that EVER been possible in 60 years of the Movement? From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 8:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bob Roth: New DLF goal is 10 million in 3 years about 36 minutes into the interview with Russell Brand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=8HZeyDn13mw https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=8HZeyDn13mw#t=2201 What is interesting about this interview is how Brand looks and acts. He is completely off character for 99% of the interview. L
