Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
The mind doesn't remember pure consciousness. It notes the transition out of
pure consciousness.
Most people think that the TM period is uniformly some special state of
consciousness, but actually it is merely a situation where CC-like physiology
is more likely to be present than outside of the TM period, so as the EEG trait
of pure consciousness becomes stronger during TM, the transition of the brain
from an actual episode of PC to more typical waking state activity becomes less
abrupt, and we notice the occurrence of waking state activity soon than when
the the contrast between waking state and PC was greater.
This gives rise to the illusion that we are remembering what PC is like.
We're not. We're actually becoming accustomed to being in CC during the TM
period.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
1. Now if pure consciousness is transcendent and non-physical, no EEG pattern
would ever reveal it, since no evidence of consciousness could ever be
discovered scientifically as science only measures physical things. Thus all
evidence that scientific evidence can somehow support the contention that
meditation somehow results in states of consciousness must be false and
misguided. The way out of this conundrum is to state that scientific evidence,
EEG etc., does not in any way measure consciousness, rather it is measuring
something else going on in the brain that the mind thinks is related to
spiritual progress.
Some would say what is measured is the experience of a silent, still mind.
Consciousness is experiencing a silent, still mind. Because we can remember the
experience, the mind must have some activity, but the mind did not experience
consciousness, it recorded a facet of its own properties, which consciousness
illuminated, but was uninvolved with. Because consciousness is said to be
eternal, and unchanging ('truth') there can be no such thing as states of
consciousness since different states requires change. Therefore these
experiences we have as meditators do not represent states of consciousness,
they simply represent relative states of the mind. And therefore enlightenment,
assuming it exists, must represent something else entirely.
2. So if a warning in Maharishi's sense does not represent what it means to
other people, what does it mean? How do you explain it, or explain it away?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :
That was a bit flippant of me, wasn't it?
Cardmeister has already gone into detail about how different commentators
interpret the warning differently.
The most straightforward interpretation is that only the sense-related siddhis
are impediments to samadhi.
Maharishi takes a broader view, and assumes the warning applies to all the
siddhis, but he doesn't consider it a warning in the sense that other people do.
Charlie Lutes appears to simply have assumed that the traditional
interpretation was right and MMY was wrong.
End of story.
But Fred Travis' research shows that practicing them produces an enhanced
version of the same EEG pattern associated with pure consciousness, and that
video I linked to earlier shows a before/after segment of someone who had been
on teh Invicincible America course for 2+ years, and how much more enhanced the
frontal EEG coherence was in the after picture when they were simply
practicing TM.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
What do you consider the modern tradition? The Shiva Samhita is generally
thought to have been composed somewhere between 1600 to 1800 CE though one
translator thinks it was composed perhaps around 1500 CE. This is hardly an old
document, having been written long after the classic Vedic works. For example
Yoga Vashistha, which was written somewhere between 900 to 1300, claims powers
should not be pursued if you are on a path of self knowledge. The Yoga Sutras
themselves were written somewhere between 100 and 500 CE. You know, it has
never been clear to me whether Patanjali (or its author if not really
Patanjali) was simply describing these things as a matter of knowledge, or
actually recommending them as a practice.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :
Because Charley believed the modern tradition.
You don't find the same warnings about Yogic Flying and other Siddhis in older
sources, as far as I can tell.
In fact, the Shiva Samhita says that practice of Yogic Flying destroys the
darkness of the world.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
And yet Charlie was fairly vocal in saying that Marshy made a mistake in
teaching the TM Sidhi program. How do you account for that?
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
Minor suggested edits... :-)
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on
spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
[Based on dogma we've chosen to believe is true, we think that...] The mind
doesn't remember pure consciousness. [We further think that...] It notes the
transition out of pure consciousness [which we're neither going to define nor
prove the existence of for those who haven't experienced it like we have] .
[We think that...] Most people think that the TM period is uniformly some
special state of consciousness, but [we claim that...] actually [ (a word we
use to imply certainty that doesn't exist) ] it is merely a situation where
CC-like physiology is more likely to be present than outside of the TM period,
so [we further claim that...] as the EEG trait of pure consciousness becomes
stronger during TM, the transition of the brain from an actual episode of PC to
more typical waking state activity becomes less abrupt, and we [ (the
royal'we', that is, meaning that we TMers claim to speak for everybody) ]
notice the occurrence of waking state activity soon[er] than [we (the royal
'we' again, meaning everybody) did] when the the contrast between waking state
and PC was greater.
[We believe that...] This gives rise to the illusion that we are [ (everybody
is) ] remembering what PC is like.
[We declare that...] We're not. We're [ (everybody is) ] actually [ (certainty
again) ] becoming accustomed to being in CC [ (which we claim exists because we
were told it does) ] during the TM period.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
1. Now if pure consciousness is transcendent and non-physical, no EEG pattern
would ever reveal it, since no evidence of consciousness could ever be
discovered scientifically as science only measures physical things. Thus all
evidence that scientific evidence can somehow support the contention that
meditation somehow results in states of consciousness must be false and
misguided. The way out of this conundrum is to state that scientific evidence,
EEG etc., does not in any way measure consciousness, rather it is measuring
something else going on in the brain that the mind thinks is related to
spiritual progress.
Some would say what is measured is the experience of a silent, still mind.
Consciousness is experiencing a silent, still mind. Because we can remember the
experience, the mind must have some activity, but the mind did not experience
consciousness, it recorded a facet of its own properties, which consciousness
illuminated, but was uninvolved with. Because consciousness is said to be
eternal, and unchanging ('truth') there can be no such thing as states of
consciousness since different states requires change. Therefore these
experiences we have as meditators do not represent states of consciousness,
they simply represent relative states of the mind. And therefore enlightenment,
assuming it exists, must represent something else entirely.
2. So if a warning in Maharishi's sense does not represent what it means to
other people, what does it mean? How do you explain it, or explain it away?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :
That was a bit flippant of me, wasn't it?
Cardmeister has already gone into detail about how different commentators
interpret the warning differently.
The most straightforward interpretation is that only the sense-related siddhis
are impediments to samadhi.
Maharishi takes a broader view, and assumes the warning applies to all the
siddhis, but he doesn't consider it a warning in the sense that other people do.
Charlie Lutes appears to simply have assumed that the traditional
interpretation was right and MMY was wrong.
End of story.
But Fred Travis' research shows that practicing them produces an enhanced
version of the same EEG pattern associated with pure consciousness, and that
video I linked to earlier shows a before/after segment of someone who had been
on teh Invicincible America course for 2+ years, and how much more enhanced the
frontal EEG coherence was in the after picture when they were simply
practicing TM.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
What do you consider the modern tradition? The Shiva Samhita is generally
thought to have been composed somewhere between 1600 to 1800 CE though one
translator thinks it was composed perhaps around 1500 CE. This is hardly an old
document, having been written long after the classic Vedic works. For example
Yoga Vashistha, which was written somewhere between 900 to 1300, claims powers
should not be pursued if you are on a path of self knowledge. The Yoga Sutras
themselves were written somewhere between 100 and 500 CE. You know, it
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
TM-SIdhis program *always* includes TM, so there's no point in talking about things any other way. For us, true, but anyone can find a sutra. Hope your friend finds **The Answer** - lol ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : TM-SIdhis program *always* includes TM, so there's no point in talking about things any other way. A freind of mine thought that Yogic Flying was the most important thing you could ever do, so he would cut out TM and the rest of the TM-SIdhis if he was short on time. I thought he was strange. He thought *I* was strange. He now lives with the Hare Krishna folk and denounces MMY and all that he taught, especially the TM-SIdhis. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Personally, I am glad I had done TM, and some rounding, before I was exposed to the TM-Siddhis Programme. Without that foundation, built from meditation, the experiences can be a bit unsettling, to say the least. I would not mess around with sidhis, without that initial stability. With it, no worries. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : That was a bit flippant of me, wasn't it? Cardmeister has already gone into detail about how different commentators interpret the warning differently. The most straightforward interpretation is that only the sense-related siddhis are impediments to samadhi. Maharishi takes a broader view, and assumes the warning applies to all the siddhis, but he doesn't consider it a warning in the sense that other people do. Charlie Lutes appears to simply have assumed that the traditional interpretation was right and MMY was wrong. End of story. But Fred Travis' research shows that practicing them produces an enhanced version of the same EEG pattern associated with pure consciousness, and that video I linked to earlier shows a before/after segment of someone who had been on teh Invicincible America course for 2+ years, and how much more enhanced the frontal EEG coherence was in the after picture when they were simply practicing TM. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : What do you consider the modern tradition? The Shiva Samhita is generally thought to have been composed somewhere between 1600 to 1800 CE though one translator thinks it was composed perhaps around 1500 CE. This is hardly an old document, having been written long after the classic Vedic works. For example Yoga Vashistha, which was written somewhere between 900 to 1300, claims powers should not be pursued if you are on a path of self knowledge. The Yoga Sutras themselves were written somewhere between 100 and 500 CE. You know, it has never been clear to me whether Patanjali (or its author if not really Patanjali) was simply describing these things as a matter of knowledge, or actually recommending them as a practice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Because Charley believed the modern tradition. You don't find the same warnings about Yogic Flying and other Siddhis in older sources, as far as I can tell. In fact, the Shiva Samhita says that practice of Yogic Flying destroys the darkness of the world. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And yet Charlie was fairly vocal in saying that Marshy made a mistake in teaching the TM Sidhi program. How do you account for that? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube Thanks for posting this. Lutes was a truly interesting American and a Seer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Minor suggested edits... :-) From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube Suggested minor edit. To be added at the beginning: I, bawee, king of all that is clear-thinking and unaffected by any dogma feel the need to assert what I think is the truth in an effort to correct the muddled and obviously sheep-like thinking of sparaig here. Let me show you what he should have written, if he were half the man I am. [Based on dogma we've chosen to believe is true, we think that...] The mind doesn't remember pure consciousness. [We further think that...] It notes the transition out of pure consciousness [which we're neither going to define nor prove the existence of for those who haven't experienced it like we have] . [We think that...] Most people think that the TM period is uniformly some special state of consciousness, but [we claim that...] actually [ (a word we use to imply certainty that doesn't exist) ] it is merely a situation where CC-like physiology is more likely to be present than outside of the TM period, so [we further claim that...] as the EEG trait of pure consciousness becomes stronger during TM, the transition of the brain from an actual episode of PC to more typical waking state activity becomes less abrupt, and we [ (the royal'we', that is, meaning that we TMers claim to speak for everybody) ] notice the occurrence of waking state activity soon[er] than [we (the royal 'we' again, meaning everybody) did] when the the contrast between waking state and PC was greater. [We believe that...] This gives rise to the illusion that we are [ (everybody is) ] remembering what PC is like. [We declare that...] We're not. We're [ (everybody is) ] actually [ (certainty again) ] becoming accustomed to being in CC [ (which we claim exists because we were told it does) ] during the TM period. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
Very droll, but in fact, I was paraphrasing R. Keith Wallace's book talking about research on TM, from the original research he did in 1970, until the time the book was published. If you want to argue with R. Keith because your mental impression of what is going on is more accurate than the physiological research, feel free. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Minor suggested edits... :-) From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube Suggested minor edit. To be added at the beginning: I, bawee, king of all that is clear-thinking and unaffected by any dogma feel the need to assert what I think is the truth in an effort to correct the muddled and obviously sheep-like thinking of sparaig here. Let me show you what he should have written, if he were half the man I am. [Based on dogma we've chosen to believe is true, we think that...] The mind doesn't remember pure consciousness. [We further think that...] It notes the transition out of pure consciousness [which we're neither going to define nor prove the existence of for those who haven't experienced it like we have] . [We think that...] Most people think that the TM period is uniformly some special state of consciousness, but [we claim that...] actually [ (a word we use to imply certainty that doesn't exist) ] it is merely a situation where CC-like physiology is more likely to be present than outside of the TM period, so [we further claim that...] as the EEG trait of pure consciousness becomes stronger during TM, the transition of the brain from an actual episode of PC to more typical waking state activity becomes less abrupt, and we [ (the royal'we', that is, meaning that we TMers claim to speak for everybody) ] notice the occurrence of waking state activity soon[er] than [we (the royal 'we' again, meaning everybody) did] when the the contrast between waking state and PC was greater. [We believe that...] This gives rise to the illusion that we are [ (everybody is) ] remembering what PC is like. [We declare that...] We're not. We're [ (everybody is) ] actually [ (certainty again) ] becoming accustomed to being in CC [ (which we claim exists because we were told it does) ] during the TM period. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
What you were doing is speaking in absolutes, as if everything you said was undeniable truth, even though it's only stuff you've been told or that you've read. It doesn't matter *who* does that -- it's equally bogus, no matter who is spouting the dogma. From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube Very droll, but in fact, I was paraphrasing R. Keith Wallace's book talking about research on TM, from the original research he did in 1970, until the time the book was published. If you want to argue with R. Keith because your mental impression of what is going on is more accurate than the physiological research, feel free. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Minor suggested edits... :-) From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube Suggested minor edit. To be added at the beginning: I, bawee, king of all that is clear-thinking and unaffected by any dogma feel the need to assert what I think is the truth in an effort to correct the muddled and obviously sheep-like thinking of sparaig here. Let me show you what he should have written, if he were half the man I am. [Based on dogma we've chosen to believe is true, we think that...] The mind doesn't remember pure consciousness. [We further think that...] It notes the transition out of pure consciousness [which we're neither going to define nor prove the existence of for those who haven't experienced it like we have] . [We think that...] Most people think that the TM period is uniformly some special state of consciousness, but [we claim that...] actually [ (a word we use to imply certainty that doesn't exist) ] it is merely a situation where CC-like physiology is more likely to be present than outside of the TM period, so [we further claim that...] as the EEG trait of pure consciousness becomes stronger during TM, the transition of the brain from an actual episode of PC to more typical waking state activity becomes less abrupt, and we [ (the royal'we', that is, meaning that we TMers claim to speak for everybody) ] notice the occurrence of waking state activity soon[er] than [we (the royal 'we' again, meaning everybody) did] when the the contrast between waking state and PC was greater. [We believe that...] This gives rise to the illusion that we are [ (everybody is) ] remembering what PC is like. [We declare that...] We're not. We're [ (everybody is) ] actually [ (certainty again) ] becoming accustomed to being in CC [ (which we claim exists because we were told it does) ] during the TM period. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
And yet Charlie was fairly vocal in saying that Marshy made a mistake in teaching the TM Sidhi program. How do you account for that? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube Thanks for posting this. Lutes was a truly interesting American and a Seer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
The statement is a practical one - Charlie might have been a nice guy, but he was as benighted as Jerry Jarvis and all the other old timers who were wowed by Marshy's charisma. Had the Old Goat been sincere and dealt with the unstressing phenomena in a responsible way and really focused on the good of the world instead of who was warming his bed and how much praise and money he got, he really might have been able to change the world. As it was, he was just another huckster who was in it for himself and his own self pleasure, like Muktananda, Sai Baba and all the rest. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 8:05 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube The best thing you can do is get a checking to rid your system of sarcasm. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Thanks for posting this. Lutes was a truly interesting American and a Seer. I notice that the deserts aren't exactly blooming at the moment, did he have a specific timescale for this wondrous new world of peace and enlightenment, or do we have to annihilate radical Islam and the oil industry first? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
Good one Sal! I wish everyone had read the old article I posted here on Jerry Jarvis - it shows just how dedicated the real True Believers are in indoctrinating everyone into TM Fantasy Land thinking. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 8:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : The best thing you can do is get a checking to rid your system of sarcasm. Will a checking cure me of my desire to state the bleeding obvious too? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Thanks for posting this. Lutes was a truly interesting American and a Seer. I notice that the deserts aren't exactly blooming at the moment, did he have a specific timescale for this wondrous new world of peace and enlightenment, or do we have to annihilate radical Islam and the oil industry first? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : The best thing you can do is get a checking to rid your system of sarcasm. Will a checking cure me of my desire to state the bleeding obvious too? It sure cured Nabby of his ability to *notice* the bleeding obvious. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Only nitwits are interested in the obvious everyone else can see. Watch the tapes with Charlie Lutes and TRY to have a peek into the hidden. Not that I think it will give any meaning for you... 'It is only shallow people who do not judge by appearances. The true mystery of the world is the visible, not the invisible. -- Oscar Wilde
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Having listened to a couple of tapes I think he sounds like an old time preacher crossed with any number of new age guru's. Maybe you had to be there to buy into whatever charisma he's supposed to have but he delivers his speeches like a second hand car dealer reading a script. I wouldn't say used car salesman vibe as much as I would Theosophical poseur vibe. Charlie -- from my perspective -- was pretty much a clone of every other male teacher I've ever encountered in the world of Western Mysticism. Used car salesmen actually display a little faux emotion in their pitches. Theosophists and Golden Dawn-ers tended to speak in that I cannot display emotion of any kind when I speak because that might lead people to believe that this incredible wisdom I'm laying on them was learned recently and is a new revelation for me, rather than something I was a master of before they were out of grade school tone of voice. :-) Charlie was a mildly entertaining charlatan. I always figured that the only reason TMers in L.A. flocked to see him was that his spiritual poseur act was at least more interesting than hearing Maharishi say the same old things on tape after tape after tape. I went to see him because his talks were the best place in town to pick up women. Most of them were TMers or TM teachers there for the same reason -- to hook up. :-) It reminds me of John Hagelin's endless rants on the Marshy channel - but without Hagelin's obvious insanity. Maybe there were just a lot of people about in those days that wanted to hear - a positive message, no matter how unlikely? They loved to hear him talk about the things that Maharishi *wouldn't* talk about. It didn't how silly or naive or insane these topics were, just as long as they were new and sounded vaguely spiritual. Maybe this explains the intensity of Hagelin's monologues, in Charlies day no one knew any better but now we have the benefit of hindsight, to keep banging on that the Golden Age is coming sounds positively demened. Poor old JH is trying to convince himself as well as us whereas Charlie probably believed it all... I'm honestly not sure how much of Charlie's jive he believed. I honestly got the overall vibe of a guy who has been telling the same stories for so long that it no longer *mattered* to him whether they were true or not. He just got off on telling them again, for any audience that would listen with rapt attention. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Thanks for posting this. Lutes was a truly interesting American and a Seer. I notice that the deserts aren't exactly blooming at the moment, did he have a specific timescale for this wondrous new world of peace and enlightenment, or do we have to annihilate radical Islam and the oil industry first? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
I know people from that era who still think Charlie was hooked into some kind of special ascended master crap and therefore thinks he was some kind of special guy, even the ones who don't do TM anymore. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Having listened to a couple of tapes I think he sounds like an old time preacher crossed with any number of new age guru's. Maybe you had to be there to buy into whatever charisma he's supposed to have but he delivers his speeches like a second hand car dealer reading a script. I wouldn't say used car salesman vibe as much as I would Theosophical poseur vibe. Charlie -- from my perspective -- was pretty much a clone of every other male teacher I've ever encountered in the world of Western Mysticism. Used car salesmen actually display a little faux emotion in their pitches. Theosophists and Golden Dawn-ers tended to speak in that I cannot display emotion of any kind when I speak because that might lead people to believe that this incredible wisdom I'm laying on them was learned recently and is a new revelation for me, rather than something I was a master of before they were out of grade school tone of voice. :-) Charlie was a mildly entertaining charlatan. I always figured that the only reason TMers in L.A. flocked to see him was that his spiritual poseur act was at least more interesting than hearing Maharishi say the same old things on tape after tape after tape. I went to see him because his talks were the best place in town to pick up women. Most of them were TMers or TM teachers there for the same reason -- to hook up. :-) It reminds me of John Hagelin's endless rants on the Marshy channel - but without Hagelin's obvious insanity. Maybe there were just a lot of people about in those days that wanted to hear - a positive message, no matter how unlikely? They loved to hear him talk about the things that Maharishi *wouldn't* talk about. It didn't how silly or naive or insane these topics were, just as long as they were new and sounded vaguely spiritual. Maybe this explains the intensity of Hagelin's monologues, in Charlies day no one knew any better but now we have the benefit of hindsight, to keep banging on that the Golden Age is coming sounds positively demened. Poor old JH is trying to convince himself as well as us whereas Charlie probably believed it all... I'm honestly not sure how much of Charlie's jive he believed. I honestly got the overall vibe of a guy who has been telling the same stories for so long that it no longer *mattered* to him whether they were true or not. He just got off on telling them again, for any audience that would listen with rapt attention. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Thanks for posting this. Lutes was a truly interesting American and a Seer. I notice that the deserts aren't exactly blooming at the moment, did he have a specific timescale for this wondrous new world of peace and enlightenment, or do we have to annihilate radical Islam and the oil industry first? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I know people from that era who still think Charlie was hooked into some kind of special ascended master crap and therefore thinks he was some kind of special guy, even the ones who don't do TM anymore. They probably didn't experience Charlie getting bent behind an imagined offense and going somewhat crazy behind it, spending months trying to get the supposed wrongdoer fired from his job. I did. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Having listened to a couple of tapes I think he sounds like an old time preacher crossed with any number of new age guru's. Maybe you had to be there to buy into whatever charisma he's supposed to have but he delivers his speeches like a second hand car dealer reading a script. I wouldn't say used car salesman vibe as much as I would Theosophical poseur vibe. Charlie -- from my perspective -- was pretty much a clone of every other male teacher I've ever encountered in the world of Western Mysticism. Used car salesmen actually display a little faux emotion in their pitches. Theosophists and Golden Dawn-ers tended to speak in that I cannot display emotion of any kind when I speak because that might lead people to believe that this incredible wisdom I'm laying on them was learned recently and is a new revelation for me, rather than something I was a master of before they were out of grade school tone of voice. :-) Charlie was a mildly entertaining charlatan. I always figured that the only reason TMers in L.A. flocked to see him was that his spiritual poseur act was at least more interesting than hearing Maharishi say the same old things on tape after tape after tape. I went to see him because his talks were the best place in town to pick up women. Most of them were TMers or TM teachers there for the same reason -- to hook up. :-) It reminds me of John Hagelin's endless rants on the Marshy channel - but without Hagelin's obvious insanity. Maybe there were just a lot of people about in those days that wanted to hear - a positive message, no matter how unlikely? They loved to hear him talk about the things that Maharishi *wouldn't* talk about. It didn't how silly or naive or insane these topics were, just as long as they were new and sounded vaguely spiritual. Maybe this explains the intensity of Hagelin's monologues, in Charlies day no one knew any better but now we have the benefit of hindsight, to keep banging on that the Golden Age is coming sounds positively demened. Poor old JH is trying to convince himself as well as us whereas Charlie probably believed it all... I'm honestly not sure how much of Charlie's jive he believed. I honestly got the overall vibe of a guy who has been telling the same stories for so long that it no longer *mattered* to him whether they were true or not. He just got off on telling them again, for any audience that would listen with rapt attention. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Thanks for posting this. Lutes was a truly interesting American and a Seer. I notice that the deserts aren't exactly blooming at the moment, did he have a specific timescale for this wondrous new world of peace and enlightenment, or do we have to annihilate radical Islam and the oil industry first? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The statement is a practical one - Charlie might have been a nice guy, but he was as benighted as Jerry Jarvis and all the other old timers who were wowed by Marshy's charisma. Had the Old Goat been sincere and dealt with the unstressing phenomena in a responsible way and really focused on the good of the world instead of who was warming his bed and how much praise and money he got, he really might have been able to change the world. As it was, he was just another huckster who was in it for himself and his own self pleasure, like Muktananda, Sai Baba and all the rest. Gee, I haven't heard this one before... And what's wrong with old goats? Who says they were wantonly permissive with their sexual favors? Where did that term come from anyway?
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : The best thing you can do is get a checking to rid your system of sarcasm. Will a checking cure me of my desire to state the bleeding obvious too? It sure cured Nabby of his ability to *notice* the bleeding obvious. :-) Is it time yet to call you the MBC and tell you to stop picking on Nabby or is that only reserved for women who pick on Share?
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I know people from that era who still think Charlie was hooked into some kind of special ascended master crap and therefore thinks he was some kind of special guy, even the ones who don't do TM anymore. They probably didn't experience Charlie getting bent behind an imagined offense and going somewhat crazy behind it, spending months trying to get the supposed wrongdoer fired from his job. I did. Ohhh wow, how revelatory, how specific, how believable. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Having listened to a couple of tapes I think he sounds like an old time preacher crossed with any number of new age guru's. Maybe you had to be there to buy into whatever charisma he's supposed to have but he delivers his speeches like a second hand car dealer reading a script. I wouldn't say used car salesman vibe as much as I would Theosophical poseur vibe. Charlie -- from my perspective -- was pretty much a clone of every other male teacher I've ever encountered in the world of Western Mysticism. Used car salesmen actually display a little faux emotion in their pitches. Theosophists and Golden Dawn-ers tended to speak in that I cannot display emotion of any kind when I speak because that might lead people to believe that this incredible wisdom I'm laying on them was learned recently and is a new revelation for me, rather than something I was a master of before they were out of grade school tone of voice. :-) Charlie was a mildly entertaining charlatan. I always figured that the only reason TMers in L.A. flocked to see him was that his spiritual poseur act was at least more interesting than hearing Maharishi say the same old things on tape after tape after tape. I went to see him because his talks were the best place in town to pick up women. Most of them were TMers or TM teachers there for the same reason -- to hook up. :-) It reminds me of John Hagelin's endless rants on the Marshy channel - but without Hagelin's obvious insanity. Maybe there were just a lot of people about in those days that wanted to hear - a positive message, no matter how unlikely? They loved to hear him talk about the things that Maharishi *wouldn't* talk about. It didn't how silly or naive or insane these topics were, just as long as they were new and sounded vaguely spiritual. Maybe this explains the intensity of Hagelin's monologues, in Charlies day no one knew any better but now we have the benefit of hindsight, to keep banging on that the Golden Age is coming sounds positively demened. Poor old JH is trying to convince himself as well as us whereas Charlie probably believed it all... I'm honestly not sure how much of Charlie's jive he believed. I honestly got the overall vibe of a guy who has been telling the same stories for so long that it no longer *mattered* to him whether they were true or not. He just got off on telling them again, for any audience that would listen with rapt attention. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Thanks for posting this. Lutes was a truly interesting American and a Seer. I notice that the deserts aren't exactly blooming at the moment, did he have a specific timescale for this wondrous new world of peace and enlightenment, or do we have to annihilate radical Islam and the oil industry first? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Only nitwits are interested in the obvious everyone else can see. Watch the tapes with Charlie Lutes and TRY to have a peek into the hidden. Not that I think it will give any meaning for you... 'It is only shallow people who do not judge by appearances. The true mystery of the world is the visible, not the invisible. -- Oscar Wilde Mr Wilde would be rolling in his Parisienne grave knowing idiot bawee was using his words to illustrate some nitwit point about TM.
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I admit that every quote of Oscar Wilde makes me love him more! So just for fun, I checked him out on the List of Initiates. I include a couple of others, also just for fun: Oscar Wilde, 1.6 Wordsworth 1.7 Natalie Wood 1.4 On Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:44 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Only nitwits are interested in the obvious everyone else can see. Watch the tapes with Charlie Lutes and TRY to have a peek into the hidden. Not that I think it will give any meaning for you... 'It is only shallow people who do not judge by appearances. The true mystery of the world is the visible, not the invisible. -- Oscar Wilde
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
On 6/26/2014 6:52 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Thanks for posting this. Lutes was a truly interesting American and a Seer. I notice that the deserts aren't exactly blooming at the moment, did he have a specific timescale for this wondrous new world of peace and enlightenment, or do we have to annihilate radical Islam and the oil industry first? Bummer. It sure didn't take long for this thread to go to shit. Apparently Sal is not having a very good day, again. I wonder what he is up to that he gets in such a foul mood. You'd think something was wrong with him, but he won't say what it is so we could help him. Some people just can't resist posting comments about killing and watching violent movies - maybe that makes them feel better. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : I admit that every quote of Oscar Wilde makes me love him more! So just for fun, I checked him out on the List of Initiates. I include a couple of others, also just for fun: Oscar Wilde, 1.6 Wordsworth 1.7 Natalie Wood 1.4 Just goes to show, this list isn't worth its salt. Maybe Mr Wilde didn't bend over far enough to rate higher. On Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:44 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Only nitwits are interested in the obvious everyone else can see. Watch the tapes with Charlie Lutes and TRY to have a peek into the hidden. Not that I think it will give any meaning for you... 'It is only shallow people who do not judge by appearances. The true mystery of the world is the visible, not the invisible. -- Oscar Wilde
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
On 6/26/2014 7:18 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : The best thing you can do is get a checking to rid your system of sarcasm. Will a checking cure me of my desire to state the bleeding obvious too? Sal is really taking this discussion down a peg or two - he sounds kind of paranoid and disgruntled, angry at someone. I hope he doesn't keep it bottled up inside himself - that could be dangerous if he decided to act on his bizarre thoughts. He sounds kind of depressed today. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Thanks for posting this. Lutes was a truly interesting American and a Seer. I notice that the deserts aren't exactly blooming at the moment, did he have a specific timescale for this wondrous new world of peace and enlightenment, or do we have to annihilate radical Islam and the oil industry first? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
On 6/26/2014 7:18 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: And yet Charlie was fairly vocal in saying that Marshy made a mistake in teaching the TM Sidhi program. How do you account for that? He probably thought it was just too advanced for most people, like basic meditation is too advanced for some people. LoL! *From:* nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:39 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube Thanks for posting this. Lutes was a truly interesting American and a Seer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
On 6/26/2014 7:22 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The statement is a practical one - Charlie might have been a nice guy, but he was as benighted as Jerry Jarvis and all the other old timers who were wowed by Marshy's charisma. Had the Old Goat been sincere and dealt with the unstressing phenomena in a responsible way and really focused on the good of the world instead of who was warming his bed and how much praise and money he got, he really might have been able to change the world. As it was, he was just another huckster who was in it for himself and his own self pleasure, like Muktananda, Sai Baba and all the rest. You really got to work early this morning! *From:* nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2014 8:05 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube The best thing you can do is get a checking to rid your system of sarcasm. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Thanks for posting this. Lutes was a truly interesting American and a Seer. I notice that the deserts aren't exactly blooming at the moment, did he have a specific timescale for this wondrous new world of peace and enlightenment, or do we have to annihilate radical Islam and the oil industry first? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
On 6/26/2014 7:42 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : The best thing you can do is get a checking to rid your system of sarcasm. Will a checking cure me of my desire to state the bleeding obvious too? It sure cured Nabby of his ability to *notice* the bleeding obvious. :-) Maybe it would cure your belief in levitation. Go figure.
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On 6/26/2014 7:44 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *From:* nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Only nitwits are interested in the obvious everyone else can see. Watch the tapes with Charlie Lutes and TRY to have a peek into the hidden. Not that I think it will give any meaning for you... 'It is only shallow people who do not judge by appearances. The true mystery of the world is the visible, not the invisible. -- Oscar Wilde I think I'm the only person here who has claimed to have witnessed real, hang-there-in-mid-air levitation. - Barry Wright Author: Robin Carlsen Subject: Eyewitness accounts of levitation that ring true Newsgroup: Yahoo! FairfieldLife Date: Thursday, 06 Sep 2012 06:43:55 -0700 http://tinyurl.com/q4ufjmu
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Richard, once again imo Maharishi had a great insight. By presenting the sidhis as a way to develop mind body coordination. Simple, unglamorous, down to earth. Not to make a reverse pun ha ha! The traditional warning is that pursuit of special powers is dangerous to genuine spiritual progress. But life itself is the perfect guru for keeping one out of that quagmire of pride! On Thursday, June 26, 2014 10:17 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 6/26/2014 7:18 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: And yet Charlie was fairly vocal in saying that Marshy made a mistake in teaching the TM Sidhi program. How do you account for that? He probably thought it was just too advanced for most people, like basic meditation is too advanced for some people. LoL! From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube Thanks for posting this. Lutes was a truly interesting American and a Seer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq
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On 6/26/2014 8:50 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The statement is a practical one - Charlie might have been a nice guy, but he was as benighted as Jerry Jarvis and all the other old timers who were wowed by Marshy's charisma. Had the Old Goat been sincere and dealt with the unstressing phenomena in a responsible way and really focused on the good of the world instead of who was warming his bed and how much praise and money he got, he really might have been able to change the world. As it was, he was just another huckster who was in it for himself and his own self pleasure, like Muktananda, Sai Baba and all the rest. Gee, I haven't heard this one before... And what's wrong with old goats? Who says they were wantonly permissive with their sexual favors? Where did that term come from anyway? You can tell who is old when they talk about where they've been - instead of where they are are going.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
On 6/26/2014 8:50 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *From:* Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I know people from that era who still think Charlie was hooked into some kind of special ascended master crap and therefore thinks he was some kind of special guy, even the ones who don't do TM anymore. They probably didn't experience Charlie getting bent behind an imagined offense and going somewhat crazy behind it, spending months trying to get the supposed wrongdoer fired from his job. I did. So, you got fired from your job at SIMS. I always thought so - you sucked at it. Go figure. *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:15 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Having listened to a couple of tapes I think he sounds like an old time preacher crossed with any number of new age guru's. Maybe you had to be there to buy into whatever charisma he's supposed to have but he delivers his speeches like a second hand car dealer reading a script. I wouldn't say used car salesman vibe as much as I would Theosophical poseur vibe. Charlie -- from my perspective -- was pretty much a clone of every other male teacher I've ever encountered in the world of Western Mysticism. Used car salesmen actually display a little faux emotion in their pitches. Theosophists and Golden Dawn-ers tended to speak in that I cannot display emotion of any kind when I speak because that might lead people to believe that this incredible wisdom I'm laying on them was learned recently and is a new revelation for me, rather than something I was a master of before they were out of grade school tone of voice. :-) Charlie was a mildly entertaining charlatan. I always figured that the only reason TMers in L.A. flocked to see him was that his spiritual poseur act was at least more interesting than hearing Maharishi say the same old things on tape after tape after tape. I went to see him because his talks were the best place in town to pick up women. Most of them were TMers or TM teachers there for the same reason -- to hook up. :-) It reminds me of John Hagelin's endless rants on the Marshy channel - but without Hagelin's obvious insanity. Maybe there were just a lot of people about in those days that wanted to hear - a positive message, no matter how unlikely? They loved to hear him talk about the things that Maharishi *wouldn't* talk about. It didn't how silly or naive or insane these topics were, just as long as they were new and sounded vaguely spiritual. Maybe this explains the intensity of Hagelin's monologues, in Charlies day no one knew any better but now we have the benefit of hindsight, to keep banging on that the Golden Age is coming sounds positively demened. Poor old JH is trying to convince himself as well as us whereas Charlie probably believed it all... I'm honestly not sure how much of Charlie's jive he believed. I honestly got the overall vibe of a guy who has been telling the same stories for so long that it no longer *mattered* to him whether they were true or not. He just got off on telling them again, for any audience that would listen with rapt attention. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Thanks for posting this. Lutes was a truly interesting American and a Seer. I notice that the deserts aren't exactly blooming at the moment, did he have a specific timescale for this wondrous new world of peace and enlightenment, or do we have to annihilate radical Islam and the oil industry first? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
On 6/26/2014 10:38 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, once again imo Maharishi had a great insight. By presenting the sidhis as a way to develop mind body coordination. Simple, unglamorous, down to earth. Not to make a reverse pun ha ha! The traditional warning is that pursuit of special powers is dangerous to genuine spiritual progress. But life itself is the perfect guru for keeping one out of that quagmire of pride! That's what I'm saying! Look what happened to Barry after he witnessed the Rama levitation event - it sounds like it blew Barry's mind for years - he wrote a whole book about it. Obviously Barry was allowed to witness too much too soon, and it did him in - he may never get over his experience. I mean, look what just a basic meditation technique did to Barry - he's still talking about it 40 years after he tried it. Go figure. On Thursday, June 26, 2014 10:17 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 6/26/2014 7:18 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: And yet Charlie was fairly vocal in saying that Marshy made a mistake in teaching the TM Sidhi program. How do you account for that? He probably thought it was just too advanced for most people, like basic meditation is too advanced for some people. LoL! *From:* nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:39 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube Thanks for posting this. Lutes was a truly interesting American and a Seer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... mailto:rick@... wrote : https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
1.6 for Oscar Wild is pretty good actually and more than I expected. When checking the list you will find that many world famous artists was round-about the same point of evolution when they popped, and it is far, far above average for mankind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : I admit that every quote of Oscar Wilde makes me love him more! So just for fun, I checked him out on the List of Initiates. I include a couple of others, also just for fun: Oscar Wilde, 1.6 Wordsworth 1.7 Natalie Wood 1.4 Just goes to show, this list isn't worth its salt. Maybe Mr Wilde didn't bend over far enough to rate higher. On Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:44 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Only nitwits are interested in the obvious everyone else can see. Watch the tapes with Charlie Lutes and TRY to have a peek into the hidden. Not that I think it will give any meaning for you... 'It is only shallow people who do not judge by appearances. The true mystery of the world is the visible, not the invisible. -- Oscar Wilde
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
Because Charley believed the modern tradition. You don't find the same warnings about Yogic Flying and other Siddhis in older sources, as far as I can tell. In fact, the Shiva Samhita says that practice of Yogic Flying destroys the darkness of the world. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And yet Charlie was fairly vocal in saying that Marshy made a mistake in teaching the TM Sidhi program. How do you account for that? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube Thanks for posting this. Lutes was a truly interesting American and a Seer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
What do you consider the modern tradition? The Shiva Samhita is generally thought to have been composed somewhere between 1600 to 1800 CE though one translator thinks it was composed perhaps around 1500 CE. This is hardly an old document, having been written long after the classic Vedic works. For example Yoga Vashistha, which was written somewhere between 900 to 1300, claims powers should not be pursued if you are on a path of self knowledge. The Yoga Sutras themselves were written somewhere between 100 and 500 CE. You know, it has never been clear to me whether Patanjali (or its author if not really Patanjali) was simply describing these things as a matter of knowledge, or actually recommending them as a practice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Because Charley believed the modern tradition. You don't find the same warnings about Yogic Flying and other Siddhis in older sources, as far as I can tell. In fact, the Shiva Samhita says that practice of Yogic Flying destroys the darkness of the world. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And yet Charlie was fairly vocal in saying that Marshy made a mistake in teaching the TM Sidhi program. How do you account for that? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube Thanks for posting this. Lutes was a truly interesting American and a Seer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
That was a bit flippant of me, wasn't it? Cardmeister has already gone into detail about how different commentators interpret the warning differently. The most straightforward interpretation is that only the sense-related siddhis are impediments to samadhi. Maharishi takes a broader view, and assumes the warning applies to all the siddhis, but he doesn't consider it a warning in the sense that other people do. Charlie Lutes appears to simply have assumed that the traditional interpretation was right and MMY was wrong. End of story. But Fred Travis' research shows that practicing them produces an enhanced version of the same EEG pattern associated with pure consciousness, and that video I linked to earlier shows a before/after segment of someone who had been on teh Invicincible America course for 2+ years, and how much more enhanced the frontal EEG coherence was in the after picture when they were simply practicing TM. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : What do you consider the modern tradition? The Shiva Samhita is generally thought to have been composed somewhere between 1600 to 1800 CE though one translator thinks it was composed perhaps around 1500 CE. This is hardly an old document, having been written long after the classic Vedic works. For example Yoga Vashistha, which was written somewhere between 900 to 1300, claims powers should not be pursued if you are on a path of self knowledge. The Yoga Sutras themselves were written somewhere between 100 and 500 CE. You know, it has never been clear to me whether Patanjali (or its author if not really Patanjali) was simply describing these things as a matter of knowledge, or actually recommending them as a practice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Because Charley believed the modern tradition. You don't find the same warnings about Yogic Flying and other Siddhis in older sources, as far as I can tell. In fact, the Shiva Samhita says that practice of Yogic Flying destroys the darkness of the world. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And yet Charlie was fairly vocal in saying that Marshy made a mistake in teaching the TM Sidhi program. How do you account for that? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube Thanks for posting this. Lutes was a truly interesting American and a Seer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
Personally, I am glad I had done TM, and some rounding, before I was exposed to the TM-Siddhis Programme. Without that foundation, built from meditation, the experiences can be a bit unsettling, to say the least. I would not mess around with sidhis, without that initial stability. With it, no worries. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : That was a bit flippant of me, wasn't it? Cardmeister has already gone into detail about how different commentators interpret the warning differently. The most straightforward interpretation is that only the sense-related siddhis are impediments to samadhi. Maharishi takes a broader view, and assumes the warning applies to all the siddhis, but he doesn't consider it a warning in the sense that other people do. Charlie Lutes appears to simply have assumed that the traditional interpretation was right and MMY was wrong. End of story. But Fred Travis' research shows that practicing them produces an enhanced version of the same EEG pattern associated with pure consciousness, and that video I linked to earlier shows a before/after segment of someone who had been on teh Invicincible America course for 2+ years, and how much more enhanced the frontal EEG coherence was in the after picture when they were simply practicing TM. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : What do you consider the modern tradition? The Shiva Samhita is generally thought to have been composed somewhere between 1600 to 1800 CE though one translator thinks it was composed perhaps around 1500 CE. This is hardly an old document, having been written long after the classic Vedic works. For example Yoga Vashistha, which was written somewhere between 900 to 1300, claims powers should not be pursued if you are on a path of self knowledge. The Yoga Sutras themselves were written somewhere between 100 and 500 CE. You know, it has never been clear to me whether Patanjali (or its author if not really Patanjali) was simply describing these things as a matter of knowledge, or actually recommending them as a practice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Because Charley believed the modern tradition. You don't find the same warnings about Yogic Flying and other Siddhis in older sources, as far as I can tell. In fact, the Shiva Samhita says that practice of Yogic Flying destroys the darkness of the world. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And yet Charlie was fairly vocal in saying that Marshy made a mistake in teaching the TM Sidhi program. How do you account for that? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube Thanks for posting this. Lutes was a truly interesting American and a Seer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
George: I think it moved. Jerry: Moved? George: It may have moved, I don't know. Jerry: I'm sure it didn't move. George: It moved! It was imperceptible but I felt it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I know people from that era who still think Charlie was hooked into some kind of special ascended master crap and therefore thinks he was some kind of special guy, even the ones who don't do TM anymore. They probably didn't experience Charlie getting bent behind an imagined offense and going somewhat crazy behind it, spending months trying to get the supposed wrongdoer fired from his job. I did. Ohhh wow, how revelatory, how specific, how believable. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Having listened to a couple of tapes I think he sounds like an old time preacher crossed with any number of new age guru's. Maybe you had to be there to buy into whatever charisma he's supposed to have but he delivers his speeches like a second hand car dealer reading a script. I wouldn't say used car salesman vibe as much as I would Theosophical poseur vibe. Charlie -- from my perspective -- was pretty much a clone of every other male teacher I've ever encountered in the world of Western Mysticism. Used car salesmen actually display a little faux emotion in their pitches. Theosophists and Golden Dawn-ers tended to speak in that I cannot display emotion of any kind when I speak because that might lead people to believe that this incredible wisdom I'm laying on them was learned recently and is a new revelation for me, rather than something I was a master of before they were out of grade school tone of voice. :-) Charlie was a mildly entertaining charlatan. I always figured that the only reason TMers in L.A. flocked to see him was that his spiritual poseur act was at least more interesting than hearing Maharishi say the same old things on tape after tape after tape. I went to see him because his talks were the best place in town to pick up women. Most of them were TMers or TM teachers there for the same reason -- to hook up. :-) It reminds me of John Hagelin's endless rants on the Marshy channel - but without Hagelin's obvious insanity. Maybe there were just a lot of people about in those days that wanted to hear - a positive message, no matter how unlikely? They loved to hear him talk about the things that Maharishi *wouldn't* talk about. It didn't how silly or naive or insane these topics were, just as long as they were new and sounded vaguely spiritual. Maybe this explains the intensity of Hagelin's monologues, in Charlies day no one knew any better but now we have the benefit of hindsight, to keep banging on that the Golden Age is coming sounds positively demened. Poor old JH is trying to convince himself as well as us whereas Charlie probably believed it all... I'm honestly not sure how much of Charlie's jive he believed. I honestly got the overall vibe of a guy who has been telling the same stories for so long that it no longer *mattered* to him whether they were true or not. He just got off on telling them again, for any audience that would listen with rapt attention. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Thanks for posting this. Lutes was a truly interesting American and a Seer. I notice that the deserts aren't exactly blooming at the moment, did he have a specific timescale for this wondrous new world of peace and enlightenment, or do we have to annihilate radical Islam and the oil industry first? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
TM-SIdhis program *always* includes TM, so there's no point in talking about things any other way. A freind of mine thought that Yogic Flying was the most important thing you could ever do, so he would cut out TM and the rest of the TM-SIdhis if he was short on time. I thought he was strange. He thought *I* was strange. He now lives with the Hare Krishna folk and denounces MMY and all that he taught, especially the TM-SIdhis. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Personally, I am glad I had done TM, and some rounding, before I was exposed to the TM-Siddhis Programme. Without that foundation, built from meditation, the experiences can be a bit unsettling, to say the least. I would not mess around with sidhis, without that initial stability. With it, no worries. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : That was a bit flippant of me, wasn't it? Cardmeister has already gone into detail about how different commentators interpret the warning differently. The most straightforward interpretation is that only the sense-related siddhis are impediments to samadhi. Maharishi takes a broader view, and assumes the warning applies to all the siddhis, but he doesn't consider it a warning in the sense that other people do. Charlie Lutes appears to simply have assumed that the traditional interpretation was right and MMY was wrong. End of story. But Fred Travis' research shows that practicing them produces an enhanced version of the same EEG pattern associated with pure consciousness, and that video I linked to earlier shows a before/after segment of someone who had been on teh Invicincible America course for 2+ years, and how much more enhanced the frontal EEG coherence was in the after picture when they were simply practicing TM. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : What do you consider the modern tradition? The Shiva Samhita is generally thought to have been composed somewhere between 1600 to 1800 CE though one translator thinks it was composed perhaps around 1500 CE. This is hardly an old document, having been written long after the classic Vedic works. For example Yoga Vashistha, which was written somewhere between 900 to 1300, claims powers should not be pursued if you are on a path of self knowledge. The Yoga Sutras themselves were written somewhere between 100 and 500 CE. You know, it has never been clear to me whether Patanjali (or its author if not really Patanjali) was simply describing these things as a matter of knowledge, or actually recommending them as a practice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : Because Charley believed the modern tradition. You don't find the same warnings about Yogic Flying and other Siddhis in older sources, as far as I can tell. In fact, the Shiva Samhita says that practice of Yogic Flying destroys the darkness of the world. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And yet Charlie was fairly vocal in saying that Marshy made a mistake in teaching the TM Sidhi program. How do you account for that? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:39 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube Thanks for posting this. Lutes was a truly interesting American and a Seer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq
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Ha!, that's funny Ann. BTW, the colloidal silver has worked very well in the little patch of psoriasis or dry skin below my knee. I've had that patch for about 20 years and during that time managed to go to the skin doctor a couple of times. In both cases they gave me a topical ointment they had as samples, which never worked very well. I am not kidding here. I rubbed on that collodial silver and in a few minutes the patch cleaned up nicely. There is still the red area where the patch was, and I don't know if that is going to go away, but I put a bit of the ointment on every day and will see what happens. Every so often I get a little athlete's foot. Guess will have to see what happens there. So, thank you. Hope this isn't TMI. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : Is it time yet to call you the MBC and tell you to stop picking on Nabby or is that only reserved for women who pick on Share?
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1. Now if pure consciousness is transcendent and non-physical, no EEG pattern
would ever reveal it, since no evidence of consciousness could ever be
discovered scientifically as science only measures physical things. Thus all
evidence that scientific evidence can somehow support the contention that
meditation somehow results in states of consciousness must be false and
misguided. The way out of this conundrum is to state that scientific evidence,
EEG etc., does not in any way measure consciousness, rather it is measuring
something else going on in the brain that the mind thinks is related to
spiritual progress.
Some would say what is measured is the experience of a silent, still mind.
Consciousness is experiencing a silent, still mind. Because we can remember the
experience, the mind must have some activity, but the mind did not experience
consciousness, it recorded a facet of its own properties, which consciousness
illuminated, but was uninvolved with. Because consciousness is said to be
eternal, and unchanging ('truth') there can be no such thing as states of
consciousness since different states requires change. Therefore these
experiences we have as meditators do not represent states of consciousness,
they simply represent relative states of the mind. And therefore enlightenment,
assuming it exists, must represent something else entirely.
2. So if a warning in Maharishi's sense does not represent what it means to
other people, what does it mean? How do you explain it, or explain it away?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :
That was a bit flippant of me, wasn't it?
Cardmeister has already gone into detail about how different commentators
interpret the warning differently.
The most straightforward interpretation is that only the sense-related siddhis
are impediments to samadhi.
Maharishi takes a broader view, and assumes the warning applies to all the
siddhis, but he doesn't consider it a warning in the sense that other people do.
Charlie Lutes appears to simply have assumed that the traditional
interpretation was right and MMY was wrong.
End of story.
But Fred Travis' research shows that practicing them produces an enhanced
version of the same EEG pattern associated with pure consciousness, and that
video I linked to earlier shows a before/after segment of someone who had been
on teh Invicincible America course for 2+ years, and how much more enhanced the
frontal EEG coherence was in the after picture when they were simply
practicing TM.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote :
What do you consider the modern tradition? The Shiva Samhita is generally
thought to have been composed somewhere between 1600 to 1800 CE though one
translator thinks it was composed perhaps around 1500 CE. This is hardly an old
document, having been written long after the classic Vedic works. For example
Yoga Vashistha, which was written somewhere between 900 to 1300, claims powers
should not be pursued if you are on a path of self knowledge. The Yoga Sutras
themselves were written somewhere between 100 and 500 CE. You know, it has
never been clear to me whether Patanjali (or its author if not really
Patanjali) was simply describing these things as a matter of knowledge, or
actually recommending them as a practice.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :
Because Charley believed the modern tradition.
You don't find the same warnings about Yogic Flying and other Siddhis in older
sources, as far as I can tell.
In fact, the Shiva Samhita says that practice of Yogic Flying destroys the
darkness of the world.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
And yet Charlie was fairly vocal in saying that Marshy made a mistake in
teaching the TM Sidhi program. How do you account for that?
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:39 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charlie Lutes - A series of lectures on
spirituality relevant to Transcendental Meditators. - YouTube
Thanks for posting this. Lutes was a truly interesting American and a Seer.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote :
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLty-nUj7w26oQPy7rubDw1ZcHLL98T8fq
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Ha!, that's funny Ann. BTW, the colloidal silver has worked very well in the little patch of psoriasis or dry skin below my knee. I've had that patch for about 20 years and during that time managed to go to the skin doctor a couple of times. In both cases they gave me a topical ointment they had as samples, which never worked very well. I am not kidding here. I rubbed on that collodial silver and in a few minutes the patch cleaned up nicely. There is still the red area where the patch was, and I don't know if that is going to go away, but I put a bit of the ointment on every day and will see what happens. Every so often I get a little athlete's foot. Guess will have to see what happens there. So, thank you. Hope this isn't TMI. (-: No, you're adorable. I am glad that silver appears to be doing something useful. Keep using it and let me know what happens. You could eat that stuff and it wouldn't hurt you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : Is it time yet to call you the MBC and tell you to stop picking on Nabby or is that only reserved for women who pick on Share?
